₦airaland Forum

lonipeter:
Does it mean if I propose to you with a ring, all you're worth is that ring?

No, but that you see me as valuable and deserving of something as precious as a diamond. Plus a diamond lasts longer than a yam. Wouldn't you want to give me a reminder of you for all the days of my life?

lonipeter:
A bagload of yam may well benefit her more than the ring, my opinion.

Why you wanna marry her if all she's worth is a bag of yam? I hope you not my bf...Izzy is that you?

EVarn:
yet again,you demonstrate an abysmal psyche,cant you read?.where in my post did i mention that nigeria's bigger GDP and population is what makes it the strongest economy?,infact i can remember saying that "SA's economy is the most diverse and industrialized in africa for now".so where did you read your own facts from.i didnt dispute that SA has a higher HDI and GDP per capita,i only unraveled the fact that a smaller population easily attains a higher HDI and GDP/capita,than a bigger population e.g japan,and USA.this isnt to say a densely populated country cannot have high indices too,but it is more easier for smaller countries.love,i urge you to read,lest you show your ignorance,and embarass your countrymen.

Sigh... I can see I have to pretend I'm talking to my two year old niece here...

Baby, honey, munchkin, you keep on saying:
"i only unraveled the fact that a smaller population easily attains a higher HDI and GDP/capita,than a bigger population e.g japan,and USA."

And I say population is not to blame for low PPP there are many factors which count MORE e.g. Inflation rate, growth rate, exchange rate, economic activity employment etc. etc. etc. These factors are factors that government is meant to solve of which HUMAN DEVELOPMENT is one of the solutions (which our dear, darling, loving, caring government does for us - and yours clearly doesn't ) hence SA has a higher GDP (PPP) per capita than Tunisia (which has a population that is 1/5 that of SA (that is 10mil compared to SA's 50mil)) and why SA has a lower PPP compare to the USA when SA has the lower population.

If you still slow on the uptake lemme put it this way: Using your premise, then it how do you explain China's high PPP when it has a population of 1.63 BILLION compared to Nigeria's paltry 173 MILLION? Or the USA with its population of 316 million compared to nigeria's 173 million? According to your premise Nigeria should have a higher GDP (PPP) than either of these countries yet it does not.

Oh, by the way in case you didn't know the GDP (PPP) aka Purchasing Power Parity allows us to compare different economies on an equal footing but the principles can be applied to GDP Nominal too the only difference is that GDP Nominal will be higher as it is a nominal value.

(Ps, a premise is a theory or base of an argument)

isaacfreeman99:
am sorry nigerian men use money to woo s.a women,
why south African men use force and rape there women thats why they rape there women in every 26minute... Raping their women and killing people is the order of de day in your country....
#Bastards

So what? Doesn't change the fact you lack skill... Btw if SA men are molesting bastards what do you call boko haram? (Lol)

Mondisweets:
What else will you propose with? A bag of yam?

LOL! LOL! LOL! #dead

You made me laugh with this question. OF COURSE YES!!! Else I'd think you taking me for granted.

This blog needs to be renamed Nigerians Who Hate (read: envy) SA. I joined yesterday hoping to have fun conversations like on other blogs but man, do Nigerians have issues. Its too pathetic it's quite hilarious. What happened, did you guys get deported or something?

all4naija:
You don't look like a university educated person to me. Denying the truth I have presented before you is not going to help you. History of boring Shaka-de-Zulu couldn't help you to defeat Apartheid government, if not for Nigerians who come to your rescue you would still be eating sh*ts in concentration camp by now.

I can see stupidity puts you to sleep at night. Shaka Zulu reigned in the 1800s, apartheid started after 1948 almost a hundred years later how would Shaka Zulu have fought something that didn't exist? Black people's rights were taken away formally in 1970 which is when most black came to know of apartheid. At which point in time did Nigerians fight apartheid? (Lol) When you were busy going hungry and killing each other? (Lol)

samtol4:
your food is on the way .....relax

Lol... No that yawn was not for you, you got yours already.

samtol4:
your food is on the way .....relax

Lol... No that yawn was not for you, you got yours already and I'm not holding my breath.

all4naija:
That is the wrong story they told you while you are still living like animals in the squalor of Township today. I am still yet to see how all your claims have provided good education, housing, etc for the poor bucket poo system people living in the dusty places of the country.

Stop talking about defeating Apartheid. Without the world efforts in bringing an end to the regime you would still be living in concentration camp by now. Nigeria plays a very important role in liberating you and your people from the shackles of Apartheid government. Now crawl back into that sh*t hole!

Please go to school and get an education first you start commenting. FYI I have university level history not the crap your clearly colonialized "mind" was taught at school. If you know how to open a book and read and you know how to research you would do well to educate yourself. Honey we didn't even know what poverty was until you people came. I still remember the first shack I saw it was a nigerian men and everyone was shocked that a person would live in such an "abode". Sweety apartheid was inspired by German Nazi that's when the whites figured the best way to weaken us was to divide and conquer. They tried all the tricks they used on your greedy weak and minded ancestors and they never worked on us. The whites just didn't understand, it worked on the Khoi and it worked on your ancestors but it never worked on the San and the Bantu. In their desperation they once kidnapped the San king, took him to English court clothed in silk, gold and precious stone but he was not impressed and instead was disgusted by western life. When they brought him back his people were already angry, he was angry and he mobilized other ethnic groups against the whites. We were never enslaved only the Khoi were slaves blacks were always free we even had seats in parliament, blacks used to vote, why the hell do you think the ANC is over a hundred years old? It is only after WWII that apartheid started. There used to be blacks in the SA army they even fought in the world wars. Apartheid took time to filter down and the moment people came to know of it they fought it. Ask most South Africans from back then and they'll tell you they didn't know. Even Nelson Mandela admitted he didn't know about apartheid at first. We don't take shit. We don't hate foreigner, we just don't like the crap they bring and we will fight against it. Its simple if you are not willing to tow the line get out we didn't ask you to come.

isaacfreeman99:
ayaaaaahh.......
My friend see what apartheid can do to someone?
Xenophobes like you,
now i know that truly travelling is a part of Education, you haven't travel out all the days of your life,
thats why you ulter such rubbish, i hate you. I hate s.a with all in me, because of there hatred for nigeria, black apes like you want to be the gaint in Africa while it will take you centuries, don't worry very soon our Govt will change and you will see de clear difference btw monkeys and human beings,
there are beta countries in Africa and not south Africa that Aids, prostitute, murder and rape capital. If nigeria were like ur country then i swear i would have die, see countries that are better than you don't make noise, they are always silent facing their business you are here fighting and making noise always, can your fucking country beat Ethiopia, Egypt, Kenya etc? I beg you go and fight corruption, HiV, Rape, Murder, facing your country daily and leave nigeria alone, because no country is perfect......#idiots

YAWN!

craziebone:
Low middle income country:

how exactly did the world bank arrive at this? They did this after dividing the total GDP by the GDP per capita. So they arrived at some figures which are just mathematics on paper.

To let you know, the total GDP you see as 510bn dollar is only that in the formal sector of the economy. The informal sector of the economy is where MOST nigerians are. Nigeria has a very large informal sector, just to let you know. The profits and sales we make go undocumented. How else do you think we are able to provide power for ourselves, provide education for ourselves, provide water for ourselves, etc if our average income is that figure put to you by the World Bank? Use your head, if it is well educated.

Wheew! Its been a slow trod... But it seems we are making progress. We still not there but there seems to be something dim down the passage...

DING! DING! That is the point!!! Those things you say you provide for yourself you shouldn't have to!!! Those are called ... PUBLIC GOODS ... Why? ... Because GOVERNMENT is meant to provide them. ... How does that fit into the argument? ... In a strong, healthy economy government is able to provide public goods and thereby raise the standard of living of its citizens (ie HDI). ... Why do public goods and governments provision of them matter? ... Because a raised standard of of living means more economic activity which means more income generated which means raised tax base which means better government services etc. ... Does informal sector matter? ... No ... Why? ... Because the informal sector means leakage from the economics system, because money is generated by the system and money leaks unemployment rises which leads to low economic activity, which leads to lower tax base and lower government service which leads to nigeria.

FYI: nigeria is not the only country with an informal sector.

Oh and by the way just because someone else insulted you does not mean you should insult me. Go to the library, talk to a grade 10 student, youtube, whatever - get yourself educated it is very clear you know NOTHING about economics and have no understanding how it works.

craziebone:
oh sorry, i thought you are @diedie. He was the one asking for proof from a 'reputable' institution.

At no point in time did I dispute Nigeria had a good economic year. What I question is the STATEMENT: "NIGERIA HAS THE BIGGEST/STRONGEST ECONOMY IN AFRICA" because ONE good economic year does not justify such a statement. I asked for proof and your very own proof states SA is an UPPER-MIDDLE class country while Nigeria is a LOWER-MIDDLE class country. This comes from your very own proof therefore you have failed to prove your own argument and instead managed to prove mine and ActivateKrugers.

craziebone:
what do you mean by "with no bite"?

Meaning ONE good economic year doesn't means Nigeria is suddenly the best economy in Africa!!! Sigh... How many times do you need it to be repeated? Such a statement is premature.

craziebone:
don't mind the dumb boy! The Japanese Yen is about two Naira and is even far less than the Rand. Does that mean that the Japanese economy is just twice Naigeria's economy? That the rand is bigger than the yen means SA's economy is better than the Japanese economy, according to die die! Hmm, i really admire their universities, Lol.


And for Big brother (i don't watch it but i hea of it), you made me laugh there. This is a show its anchors are Nigerian, fact! This is a show its back room staff are Nigerian, fact! You really need to see the cast or whtever they call it to know what exactly i am saying. Without Nigeria

as for immigration, we are acccording to our cencus figures in 2006, we have 15million foreigners in Naija. You don't hear us complain becos those who come in provide their own jobs, that's no1. Secondly, we are immigrants friendly. We have actually carried the burden of the continent on our shoulders for so long. This refelcted in our foreign policies even prior to independence. We have superior skills compared to most of the foreigners that come in. They take jobs we don't even want. We are not as lazy as you lot, fact!

As for why we go out, i would like to tell you that you find the chinese in all parts of the world; the same thing with the indians. Does that mean they economy is rubbish? That you cannot go out of your country doesn't mean you are ok. It only means you don't have the money to go out that far since the countries around you, which you could have emigrated to, are not as boyant as you.

Nigerians anywhere are not putting pressure on your public system. They create their own jobs. They employ your own people. You people cannot even stand this that's why there is so much animosity from you lot.

Empty vessels make the most noise clearly. Shoprite in Abuja or whatever has nigerian floor workers, nigerian cashiers, nigerian managers... So what? That Big Brother has Nigerian staffers and is shot in Nigeria is moot. The rights are still owned by a South African company and its still commissioned by a South African company and the income generated still filters back to SA. Comprehension is not a very strong point for you and ver-whatever person therefore I refuse to engage further with you.

Ps: I'm not a boy I'm a woman. (F) stands for female - just by the way

craziebone:
die die, you don't have to admit wether you know Jim Iyke and the rest of them. Naira land is a place where anyone can claim to know or not to know someone. But the truth remains that these people are known even in your SA, fact! Your compatroits have admitted to it already, fact! Instead of you hating on us, why don't you channel all of that energy to better yourself? We worked hard to be where we are. You can also work hard to take yourself to where you want to be.

Die? Wow! LOL!!!
Honey, how I wish I knew them or cared if only for your sake. Correction I don't hate you or Nigeria I have no need to. Like I said I got business with Nigeria. I want you guys to do better, I NEED you to do better so that I can also pretend I live in a music video (lol). Ps ALL Africans have worked hard to get where we are but we still have so much further to go

craziebone:
die die, you don't have to admit wether you know Jim Iyke and the rest of them. Naira land is a place where anyone can claim to know or not to know someone. But the truth remains that these people are known even in your SA, fact! Your compatroits have admitted to it already, fact! Instead of you hating on us, why don't you channel all of that energy to better yourself? We worked hard to be where we are. You can also work hard to take yourself to where you want to be.

Die? LOL!!! Honey how I wish I knew them or cared if only for your sake. Correction I don't hate you or Nigeria I have no need to. Like I said I got business with Nigeria. I want you guys to do better, I NEED you to do better so that I can also pretend I live in a music video (lol).

EVarn:
^and what is the point of the epistle you wrote?,you can "lol" and "lolest" as much as you like,the content of your post is so empty,that even a primary school dropout will percieve you as a mentally benighted fellow.i asked you a simple question,the SK currency is lesser in value than the rand,does that mean that SA's economy is far more developed than SK's economy?.i didnt say that GDP and population make a country the biggest economy,do you have dyslexia?,what i said is that small population=higher HDI and GDP per capita.

Honey pie stop the hate and name calling and learn some comprehension skills. As for South Korea I did answer you, go back I had modified my comment you probably read it before it uploaded. Baby cakes, population does not make or break HDI or GDP per capita. Sigh... Guess I do need to break this down for you but I'm not gonna go into detail please find a grade 10 student to explain this to you further, here we go:
* GDP is basically the amount of income generated within the borders of a country this includes income generated by SA companies in Nigeria. Efficiency, economic activity and infrastructure are very vital more than population.
* GDP per capita calculated the distribution of that GDP. RATE OF UNEMPLOYMENT is the bigger factor more than population. The HEALTH and STRENGTH of the economy (ie the value of GDP) is what counts hence China with its 1.63 BILLION population has a high GDP and GDP per capita
* HDI - I wonder if you know what that means since you and your comrades having been crapping about the SA government and calling us lazy because our government invests in our development. Anywho, HDI aka HUMAN DEVELOPMENT Index measures things such as quality and access to eg education and health, the infrastructure, quality of living etc (you know the services ActiveKruger has been telling you about). That is, the things your government should be providing which you and your fellows claim lead to lazy South Africans (lol). Obviously in a healthy economy government can provide these public goods.

I'm not explaining further than that, like I said if you still don't understand find someone in grade 10 to explain to you.

1mindchrisr:
you nailed it

theres so much of brainstorming of hate which they can use to better Nigeria as whole
this status of empty chest beating while d rich are thinking abt themself n d poor increase daily

Life is so good n fair in SA
no amount of critics can change dt
d time of fleeing to other contries. because of oppression is gone diferent race,culture,religion of this
rainbow nations values is what makes us unique n too diferent for some peoples liking
wev seen worse dt y freedom is for all Citizen

You are so right, that's all it is - hate. They flee to our country in droves to chase after the good life we have, call us names because we have it good without having to con someone or prostitute some poor woman or ruin some poor youth's future. If Nigeria has such a great economy why do we South Africans have an illegal immigration problem? No South African would be so desperate they would be willing to be a second class citizen in another country. You don't see South Africans running to Nigeria for an education. I have a Nigerian friend who had to come to SA to buy stuff for her wedding in SA. I also have business with a Nigerian. To send me documentation eg she has to use private courier company and they always take about a week to arrive where as I use the government postal services and she get things from my side within 72 hours, sometimes our skying gets interrupted because of power outages and the likes - problems we don't have in SA.

EVarn:
i have arrived at the tentative conclusion that you are the biggest diddydumbs on nairaland,the naira and rand has more value than south korea's 'won',does that mean that the south korean economy is poor?

LOLEST!!! Diddydumbs? How old are you? That you would use that word is telling of your EQ and IQ. In fact, was it not you who made a comment about GDP and population? Choosing one marker out of a (non-comprehensive) list of markers and crashing it does not make you smarter or your point stronger and neither does resorting to (childish - LOL LOL LOL) name calling. All it does is highlight your weakness, lack of logic, intelligence and equates to junior primary school behaviour.

Ps: South Korea's GDP and standard of living (the other markers I mentioned) is higher than both Nigeria and SA. Could be because they also have a population of 50million (LOL LOL LOL!!!)

all4naija:
Without doubt, the world knows, South Africa is developed by the white minority. Babies unborn know that very well!

Because Nigeria was developed by Nigerians, ane? Let's not forget these lazy people and their ancestors unlike your ancestors managed to protect their land and were never enslaved because the white could never conquer them. It took white people over 400 years take control of SA yet the lazy South African won it back within 50 years. South African and South Africans are unique on so many points - apartheid is a 20th century thing and it happened AFTER WWII and the Nazi's are the inspiration. These "lazy" people were so good at protecting themselves that they even defeated the English at the helm of the English empire. They came with an army double that of the Xhosa people, canons, horses, dogs, guns yet the xhosas carrying only spears completely annihilated the entire army. They gave really gave the English a run for their money to the point where when they captured one of the kings Hintsa they beheaded him, a feat so great for them that Winston Churchill kept his head on his mental piece. Wow, these "lazy" people are completely useless without white people never mind the fact that since the ANC government took over (save for the past years since the great recession) the GDP has grown steadily and SA is one of the few countries that managed to handle the recession well. What would these "lazy" people do without white people?

Incidently, what makes them lazy? That they not busy thinking of or running con every two seconds? That they never sold their brothers, sisters, sons and daughters to slavery? That they live peacefully and happily and have no need for a military coup every second day? That there aren't religious gangsters using God to advance their unholy deeds? Oh no it must be that South Africans value people and would never think of running drug and prostitution cartels where they ruin many people's lives in the name of proving they aren't lazy.

The statement Nigeria has the biggest economy needs clarification and is premature. Nigerians that think Nigeria is comparable and even better than SA are delusional. The mere fact that the Naira has a low value speaks volumes about the state of the economy, the high corruption rate, the political instability, ministers and their families getting kidnapped are markers of a fragile and weak economy but the most telling markers are the value of the currency, the inflation rate and standard of living all of which SA beats ALL sub-sahara African countries. The statisfaction index is also quite telling, you don't see any SA people running to Nigeria or so desperate to leave SA, why? If Nigeria was really better then it would have the immigration problem not SA.

craziebone:
Naira = Zim dollar;
we watch SA shows, you don't watch Naija show;
all HOGWASH!!!

The Naira only has value in Nigeria, you can't use it for business transactions where as the rand can.

Go to the back posts, you'll see someone (could have been you) said SA has a higher GDP and per capita income because we have a population of 50million (lol)

Lol... Oh yes you do watch SA shows you may not know they are SA (that's how good they are) but you do e.g. Face of Africa, Big Brother, Generations etc.
Unfortunately I have no idea who Jimmy and sundry are. And don't forget our companies are not only in Nigeria but the rest of Africa and some are global forces in the rest of the world.

Out of curiosity which financial institutions claimed Nigeria has the biggest economy? But importantly IN WHAT CONTEXT? You seem to be side stepping the most important question. What measurements are used? What is being measured? (Please name reputable sources - the HRSC aka Human Research Science Council I mentioned is a highly reputable research organisation that does work for governments as well). We all know Nigerians seem to think they live inside a music video and like to live Top Billing style so is that the measurement? How much people are spending ie economic activity? Because then that is distorted the average Nigerian does not drive a Bugatti or pop Moet for breakfast and that lifestyle is preserved to the privileged few.

You simply cannot dismiss a government that takes care of its people. That is the point of government, you elect them so that they can care for your interests. A good government and a healthy economy is one that is able to care for its citizens. Look at the biggest economies in the world, look at their social programmes then compare Nigeria and compare SA ... Need I say more? Just so you know our governments have always taken care of us, it did not start with the ANC we've always had free health, government has always given away houses. I grew up in the former Ciskei - we had free electricity, water, free books and stationary etc. It didn't make our parents lazy so why would it make us lazy? And if we were so lazy how does SA keep working? That our GDP has gone down (as other countries in the world - the EU and USA even had to bail some banks and companies) has to do with the recent global crisis and its after effects not with crime in SA or whatever else you imagine.

Please don't feel bad, one day is one day and Nigeria will get it right. AMANDLA! Keep up the faith

Let me try to sum all of you up:

1.) To the ones puntering about Nigeria "has the biggest economy", biggest according to what category? Economic activity? If that's the case then of course it would have a larger activity because as you also keep pointing out there's a larger population.
2.) Someone said something about the GDP and the population of the two countries and used it as an excuse that SA has a lower population and therefore a higher GDP. Uhm... GDP stands for GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT. Product being the goods produced. Domestic meaning with the borders of a country. Gross means unadjusted count. I would break it down further but I simply don't have the energy and seeing as you think a lower population = higher GDP then... Anyway your argument fails on two points:
A) GDP measures the production of a country during a specified period. Population is a minor factor in the sense that a high population with little or no education/skills would be meaningless hence a country like Sweden, for eg, with its small population and little export economy can still have a high GPD and per capita rate.
B) Even if we were to give your little argument a bit of benefit, how then do you explain China with its 1.63 billion population, high GDP and high per capita?
3.) Steinhoff is a South African company - side note you cannot discredit Anglo-American. It is a South African company and has been ever since the gold rush in the early 1900s and is owned by a SA family.
4.) Crime, crime, crime: first off crime in SA is petty and "violent" crime (ie murder) almost always is contained amongst people who know one another. That SA has the highest is hogwash punterred by white people to discredit blacks, and no this is no conspiracy theory, independent scientific study after study has shown that SA people are not violent at all. If you up to reading reports and statistic analyses then a good start up point would be the HRSC website you will have plethora of evidence refuting claims SA is violent and crime ridden. (In actual fact I used to date a foreigner who never understood why I never lock my doors, sometimes I'd go away and come back without having locked and I always told him its because I know nothing will happen. I live alone and I even sleep with my sliding doors open that's how safe SA is but obviously as with anywhere else in the world there are hotspot areas in the country but regardless we don't have Boko Harams and no kidnapping for money/hostage dramas - y'all should stop watching TV you take it too literally.)
5.) I keep hearing a billion naira this a billion naira that. You seem to be forgetting that the naira has as much value as the Zim Dollar so a billion naira is about what? 1 SA cent? Please let us keep things in context. This is why I started off with question 1. Nigeria is economically stronger or has a bigger economy in terms of what context? Just because a newspaper article proclaimed it does not make it so. Remember journalists are not experts and half the time they have no real understanding of what they are talking about or misconstrue their reporting for whatever reason. There is no way Nigeria is economically better than SA, it fails on so many of the critical factors eg infrastructure, efficiency, energy (we never run out of perol in SA unless there is an international crisis and our power is very stable), political stability, solid tertiary education (all our universities feature in the world list and not only do we dominate the top ten Africa list we also take up the first 3-4 top spots. There are so many SA companies in Nigeria (and other African countries - think Primi, Shoprite/Checkers, Woolies, MTN, Vodacom, Multi-choice, Truworths, Edgars etc.) and I can't even think of 1 Nigerian company in SA. You even watch our shows and we don't watch yours... We don't need to leave SA for anything because we get everything we want right here, even our government offices and police are efficient.

Last note, having one good economic year does not a strong economy make its all premature. Oh, by the way SA is wealthy and does have money. The average SA can afford more than the average Nigerian. And we are not lazy we just don't have to break our backs to put food on the table, clothes on our backs and a roof over our heads and that's how life should be - if you weren't suffering and struggling so much you would understand that life is to be enjoyed not sweated over.

@Kinkybraids: babe you should have said "I" or "my friends and I" because you don't speak for SA women.


Sorry to be the bubble burstor here, but even the topic title is misleading. The majority of SA women do not lust after Naija men (or any foreigner) as they have a stigma attached to them (its no secret SA is xenophobic). Another bubble burst - in actual fact Naija men are most probably right at the bottom (thanks to the reputation carved out by your fellow countrymen/women) then there's the fact that Nigerian men are aggressive, arrogant, domineering and don't know how to charm a woman (all they know is to woo with money which obviously the woman will take and the reason most SA women will date a Naija - please note they most often always have an SA boyfriend on the side whom they dream about marrying - again to stress: most not all.)

As for SA men not being well endowed: honey, I'm not sure which corner of SA you live in... Besides all that nonsense about big hands and big feet is just that - nonsense. I dated two foreigners and they had the tiniest things I had ever laid my eyes on.