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1.Nicholas Copernicus (1473-1543)
Copernicus was the Polish astronomer who put forward the first mathematically based system of planets going around the sun. He attended various European universities, and became a Canon in the Catholic church in 1497. His new system was actually first presented in the Vatican gardens in 1533 before Pope Clement VII who approved, and urged Copernicus to publish it around this time. Copernicus was never under any threat of religious persecution - and was urged to publish both by Catholic Bishop Guise, Cardinal Schonberg, and the Protestant Professor George Rheticus. Copernicus referred sometimes to God in his works, and did not see his system as in conflict with the Bible.

2.Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1627)
Bacon was a philosopher who is known for establishing the scientific method of inquiry based on experimentation and inductive reasoning. In De Interpretatione Naturae Prooemium, Bacon established his goals as being the discovery of truth, service to his country, and service to the church. Although his work was based upon experimentation and reasoning, he rejected atheism as being the result of insufficient depth of philosophy, stating, "It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity." (Of Atheism)

3.Johannes Kepler (1571-1630)
Kepler was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer. He did early work on light, and established the laws of planetary motion about the sun. He also came close to reaching the Newtonian concept of universal gravity - well before Newton was born! His introduction of the idea of force in astronomy changed it radically in a modern direction. Kepler was an extremely sincere and pious Lutheran, whose works on astronomy contain writings about how space and the heavenly bodies represent the Trinity. Kepler suffered no persecution for his open avowal of the sun-centered system, and, indeed, was allowed as a Protestant to stay in Catholic Graz as a Professor (1595-1600) when other Protestants had been expelled!

4.Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo is often remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633. It had no proofs of a sun-centered system (Galileo's telescope discoveries did not indicate a moving earth) and his one "proof" based upon the tides was invalid. It ignored the correct elliptical orbits of planets published twenty five years earlier by Kepler. Since his work finished by putting the Pope's favorite argument in the mouth of the simpleton in the dialogue, the Pope (an old friend of Galileo's) was very offended. After the "trial" and being forbidden to teach the sun-centered system, Galileo did his most useful theoretical work, which was on dynamics. Galileo expressly said that the Bible cannot err, and saw his system as an alternate interpretation of the biblical texts.

5.Rene Descartes (1596-1650)
Descartes was a French mathematician, scientist and philosopher who has been called the father of modern philosophy. His school studies made him dissatisfied with previous philosophy: He had a deep religious faith as a Roman Catholic, which he retained to his dying day, along with a resolute, passionate desire to discover the truth. At the age of 24 he had a dream, and felt the vocational call to seek to bring knowledge together in one system of thought. His system began by asking what could be known if all else were doubted - suggesting the famous "I think therefore I am". Actually, it is often forgotten that the next step for Descartes was to establish the near certainty of the existence of God - for only if God both exists and would not want us to be deceived by our experiences - can we trust our senses and logical thought processes. God is, therefore, central to his whole philosophy. What he really wanted to see was that his philosophy be adopted as standard Roman Catholic teaching. Rene Descartes and Francis Bacon (1561-1626) are generally regarded as the key figures in the development of scientific methodology. Both had systems in which God was important, and both seem more devout than the average for their era.

6.Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
Pascal was a French mathematician, physicist, inventor, writer and theologian. In mathematics, he published a treatise on the subject of projective geometry and established the foundation for probability theory. Pascal invented a mechanical calculator, and established the principles of vacuums and the pressure of air. He was raised a Roman Catholic, but in 1654 had a religious vision of God, which turned the direction of his study from science to theology. Pascal began publishing a theological work, Lettres provinciales, in 1656. His most influential theological work, the Pensées ("Thoughts", was a defense of Christianity, which was published after his death. The most famous concept from Pensées was Pascal's Wager. Pascal's last words were, "May God never abandon me."

7.Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
In optics, mechanics, and mathematics, Newton was a figure of undisputed genius and innovation. In all his science (including chemistry) he saw mathematics and numbers as central. What is less well known is that he was devoutly religious and saw numbers as involved in understanding God's plan for history from the Bible. He did a considerable work on biblical numerology, and, though aspects of his beliefs were not orthodox, he thought theology was very important. In his system of physics, God was essential to the nature and absoluteness of space. In Principia he stated, "The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being."

8.Robert Boyle (1791-1867)
One of the founders and key early members of the Royal Society, Boyle gave his name to "Boyle's Law" for gases, and also wrote an important work on chemistry. Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "By his will he endowed a series of Boyle lectures, or sermons, which still continue, 'for proving the Christian religion against notorious infidels...' As a devout Protestant, Boyle took a special interest in promoting the Christian religion abroad, giving money to translate and publish the New Testament into Irish and Turkish. In 1690 he developed his theological views in The Christian Virtuoso, which he wrote to show that the study of nature was a central religious duty." Boyle wrote against atheists in his day (the notion that atheism is a modern invention is a myth), and was clearly much more devoutly Christian than the average in his era.

9.Michael Faraday (1791-1867)
Michael Faraday was the son of a blacksmith who became one of the greatest scientists of the 19th century. His work on electricity and magnetism not only revolutionized physics, but led to much of our lifestyles today, which depends on them (including computers and telephone lines and, so, web sites). Faraday was a devoutly Christian member of the Sandemanians, which significantly influenced him and strongly affected the way in which he approached and interpreted nature. Originating from Presbyterians, the Sandemanians rejected the idea of state churches, and tried to go back to a New Testament type of Christianity.

10.Gregor Mendel (1822-1884)
Mendel was the first to lay the mathematical foundations of genetics, in what came to be called "Mendelianism". He began his research in 1856 (three years before Darwin published his Origin of Species) in the garden of the Monastery in which he was a monk. Mendel was elected Abbot of his Monastery in 1868. His work remained comparatively unknown until the turn of the century, when a new generation of botanists began finding similar results and "rediscovered" him (though their ideas were not identical to his). An interesting point is that the 1860's was notable for formation of the X-Club, which was dedicated to lessening religious influences and propagating an image of "conflict" between science and religion. One sympathizer was Darwin's cousin Francis Galton, whose scientific interest was in genetics (a proponent of eugenics - selective breeding among humans to "improve" the stock). He was writing how the "priestly mind" was not conducive to science while, at around the same time, an Austrian monk was making the breakthrough in genetics. The rediscovery of the work of Mendel came too late to affect Galton's contribution.

11.William Thomson Kelvin (1824-1907)
Kelvin was foremost among the small group of British scientists who helped to lay the foundations of modern physics. His work covered many areas of physics, and he was said to have more letters after his name than anyone else in the Commonwealth, since he received numerous honorary degrees from European Universities, which recognized the value of his work. He was a very committed Christian, who was certainly more religious than the average for his era. Interestingly, his fellow physicists George Gabriel Stokes (1819-1903) and James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879) were also men of deep Christian commitment, in an era when many were nominal, apathetic, or anti-Christian. The Encyclopedia Britannica says "Maxwell is regarded by most modern physicists as the scientist of the 19th century who had the greatest influence on 20th century physics; he is ranked with Sir Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein for the fundamental nature of his contributions." Lord Kelvin was an Old Earth creationist, who estimated the Earth's age to be somewhere between 20 million and 100 million years, with an upper limit at 500 million years based on cooling rates (a low estimate due to his lack of knowledge about radiogenic heating).

12.Max Planck (1858-1947)
Planck made many contributions to physics, but is best known for quantum theory, which revolutionized our understanding of the atomic and sub-atomic worlds. In his 1937 lecture "Religion and Naturwissenschaft," Planck expressed the view that God is everywhere present, and held that "the holiness of the unintelligible Godhead is conveyed by the holiness of symbols." Atheists, he thought, attach too much importance to what are merely symbols. Planck was a churchwarden from 1920 until his death, and believed in an almighty, all-knowing, beneficent God (though not necessarily a personal one). Both science and religion wage a "tireless battle against skepticism and dogmatism, against unbelief and superstition" with the goal "toward God!"

13.Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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Does anybody in the house have an info on Lexus ES 300, 2003 model. I want one and can't find any in Cotonou or that's what a car dealer said.

Well, there are more details that you need to know before going over there to buy. One thing to note is that it that up to 3 working days to clear a car and it's moved to the border, so you cannot just pay and move it immediately. You may need an expert advise to chose a car cos there are dubious dealer that will sell you cars that have problems at a cheaper price and won't tell you the fault. and ofcourse you should know how to bargain in french. if you can scale through this first ordeal before dealing with nigerian customs. then you are good to go

It is quite a long read, but it is an interesting article and informative. Lazy people are put off on reading anything long.

Your car does not have any problem. That means your car must be an american spec, some states in america make their cars that way. I have a RAV4 from the US that does the same thing, i use the car with A/C all the time. have been using mine that way for over 2years.

LAGOS—In apparent move to abridge the Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN)’s autonomy, House of Representatives plan to hand down bank supervision function to the Chartered Institute of Bankers of Nigeria, (CIBN).

This move was disclosed by the Chairman House Committee on Banking and Currency, Mr. Jones Onyereri who said this would be an integral focus of the House in 2013 to ensure that it separates bank supervision function away from CBN.

Meanwhile, there is a bill before the House, which seeks to amend the CBN Act 2007 by transferring the power of the board of the apex bank to approve its budget to the National Assembly. The bill also proposes to cut the membership of the board from 12 to seven and to appoint another person, other than the CBN governor, as the chairman of the board.

According to Onyereri, “The core function of the CBN is really on the monetary policy matter; in Nigeria, CBN also uses its core mandate of bank supervision, now we need to hear from CIBN, we are looking at the institute critically.

“With the kind of challenges we have, it has come to the time that we should separate that function away from CBN.”

Make an independent one; probably the Financial Supervisory Committee, to deal with issues of bank supervision. We need to hear from CIBN and then take it from there.” However, Onyereri at the special ACIB Induction for the pioneering graduates of the Chartered Bank MBA of the institute, urged CIBN to rise up to the challenge in making contribution to monetary policy issues, ensuring the Monetary Policy Rate (MPR) comes low, being the reason why banks increase their interest rates as this slows down economy growth.

While on the cashless policy by CBN, he said it should be allowed to transient down to significant reduction of charges by banks, stating that before moving to other states, CBN should allow the pilot scheme get to at least 80per cent of Lagos State.

Onyereri decried the underperformance of banks in granting loans to customers, while suggesting that the only way to break the barrier was through empowering the SMEs as CBN plans to bring intervention funds for Micro Finance Banks was a viable measure.
The Chairman House Committee on Banking and Currency further disclosed that when it resumes plenary in 2013, it would focus on cashless policy, financial inclusion, Micro finance banks, amending the NDIC Acts to make it stronger.

How can the national assembly in its right mind give CIBN which are made of bankers to supervise themselves?

LAGOS—In apparent move to abridge the Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN)’s autonomy, House of Representatives plan to hand down bank supervision function to the Chartered Institute of Bankers of Nigeria, (CIBN).

This move was disclosed by the Chairman House Committee on Banking and Currency, Mr. Jones Onyereri who said this would be an integral focus of the House in 2013 to ensure that it separates bank supervision function away from CBN.

Meanwhile, there is a bill before the House, which seeks to amend the CBN Act 2007 by transferring the power of the board of the apex bank to approve its budget to the National Assembly. The bill also proposes to cut the membership of the board from 12 to seven and to appoint another person, other than the CBN governor, as the chairman of the board.

According to Onyereri, “The core function of the CBN is really on the monetary policy matter; in Nigeria, CBN also uses its core mandate of bank supervision, now we need to hear from CIBN, we are looking at the institute critically.

“With the kind of challenges we have, it has come to the time that we should separate that function away from CBN.”

Make an independent one; probably the Financial Supervisory Committee, to deal with issues of bank supervision. We need to hear from CIBN and then take it from there.” However, Onyereri at the special ACIB Induction for the pioneering graduates of the Chartered Bank MBA of the institute, urged CIBN to rise up to the challenge in making contribution to monetary policy issues, ensuring the Monetary Policy Rate (MPR) comes low, being the reason why banks increase their interest rates as this slows down economy growth.

While on the cashless policy by CBN, he said it should be allowed to transient down to significant reduction of charges by banks, stating that before moving to other states, CBN should allow the pilot scheme get to at least 80per cent of Lagos State.

Onyereri decried the underperformance of banks in granting loans to customers, while suggesting that the only way to break the barrier was through empowering the SMEs as CBN plans to bring intervention funds for Micro Finance Banks was a viable measure.
The Chairman House Committee on Banking and Currency further disclosed that when it resumes plenary in 2013, it would focus on cashless policy, financial inclusion, Micro finance banks, amending the NDIC Acts to make it stronger.

How can the national assembly in its right mind give CIBN which are made of bankers to supervise themselves?
LAGOS—In apparent move to abridge the Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN)’s autonomy, House of Representatives plan to hand down bank supervision function to the Chartered Institute of Bankers of Nigeria, (CIBN).

This move was disclosed by the Chairman House Committee on Banking and Currency, Mr. Jones Onyereri who said this would be an integral focus of the House in 2013 to ensure that it separates bank supervision function away from CBN.

Meanwhile, there is a bill before the House, which seeks to amend the CBN Act 2007 by transferring the power of the board of the apex bank to approve its budget to the National Assembly. The bill also proposes to cut the membership of the board from 12 to seven and to appoint another person, other than the CBN governor, as the chairman of the board.

According to Onyereri, “The core function of the CBN is really on the monetary policy matter; in Nigeria, CBN also uses its core mandate of bank supervision, now we need to hear from CIBN, we are looking at the institute critically.

“With the kind of challenges we have, it has come to the time that we should separate that function away from CBN.”

Make an independent one; probably the Financial Supervisory Committee, to deal with issues of bank supervision. We need to hear from CIBN and then take it from there.” However, Onyereri at the special ACIB Induction for the pioneering graduates of the Chartered Bank MBA of the institute, urged CIBN to rise up to the challenge in making contribution to monetary policy issues, ensuring the Monetary Policy Rate (MPR) comes low, being the reason why banks increase their interest rates as this slows down economy growth.

While on the cashless policy by CBN, he said it should be allowed to transient down to significant reduction of charges by banks, stating that before moving to other states, CBN should allow the pilot scheme get to at least 80per cent of Lagos State.

Onyereri decried the underperformance of banks in granting loans to customers, while suggesting that the only way to break the barrier was through empowering the SMEs as CBN plans to bring intervention funds for Micro Finance Banks was a viable measure.
The Chairman House Committee on Banking and Currency further disclosed that when it resumes plenary in 2013, it would focus on cashless policy, financial inclusion, Micro finance banks, amending the NDIC Acts to make it stronger.

How can the national assembly in its right mind give CIBN which are made of bankers to supervise themselves?

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/01/reps-move-to-curb-cbns-supervisory-role/

Taught my wife how to drive and I must admit, it was quite an experience. With some shouting and quarrelling, tears knocked in between. We finally did it. Will I try it again if giving another chance, not sure?

Now i trust her driving and we became even more close after the experience.

Looks good, i'll follwoing ur progress

Can you post the ground and 1st floor plan. i am interested in ur design. thanks

coogar: ben is your friend
ben is not doing any harm with your details
ben is only using your details to feed himself and dependent relatives

if i were you, i would let it go.......there's more harm in your way if you call the police....calling the police would put ben in trouble and probably some prison time. when he comes out after meeting hardened criminals in prison, who do you think he would come for? you!

call ben you know about his mischievous and dishonest move but let it go....if he ever gets discovered in his company as impersonating you, just claim you never knew about it.
it's as simple as that! why take food off the table of a known friend?

This is the most stupid thing a nairalander will ever post. If he commits any crime, it'll be in the OP's name. You must act fast and smart. First get all the proof you need to be able to convince anyone including the court that you're the only there is. One of them can be the e-passport which cannot be faked in nija yet and family history documentation. make a publication in the newspaper and take the guy to court. This is a criminal act and should not be left to sentiments. I've heard the wrong person suffer for the crimes they never committed due to identity fraud. If you don't act now, you've urself to blame

Samsung China has gone official with the previously leaked dual-SIM variant of the Note 2. The model number is GT-N7102 and from what it looks it's got proper GSM/HSDPA support on both SIM cards.
The Note 2 N7102 is practically the same phone with a 1.6GHz quad-core processor and a 5.5-inch Super AMOLED HD screen, but it makes use of two SIM slots. One fits a regular sized miniSIM and the other one takes MicroSIM cards.
The device will go on sale December 3 with a price of about 700 euro.

http://www.gsmarena.com/dualsim_samsung_galaxy_note_ii_launches_in_china-news-5115.php

@Wiegraf and Kay17, your arguments have left the relms of reasonings into delusions. There is no need to say anything more. Mr Anony must really be patience to answer these nonsense.

How many persons on this forum can actually do without their phone for a day?

This is a new English Word.

Nomophobia is the fear of being out of mobile phone contact. The term, an abbreviation for "no-mobile-phone phobia", was coined during a study by the UK Post Office who commissioned YouGov, a UK-based research organisation to look at anxieties suffered by mobile phone users. The study found that nearly 53% of mobile phone users in Britain tend to be anxious when they "lose their mobile phone, run out of battery or credit, or have no network coverage". The study found that about 58% of men and 48% of women suffer from the phobia, and an additional 9% feel stressed when their mobile phones are off. The study sampled 2,163 people. Fifty-five percent of those surveyed cited keeping in touch with friends or family as the main reason that they got anxious when they could not use their mobile phones. The study compared stress levels induced by the average case of nomophobia to be on-par with those of "wedding day jitters" and trips to the dentists. Ten percent of those questioned said they needed to be contactable at all times because of work. It is, however, arguable that the word 'phobia' is misused and that in the majority of cases it is only a normal anxiety.
More than one in two nomophobes never switch off their mobile phones. The study and subsequent coverage of the phobia resulted in two editorial columns authored by those who minimize their mobile phone use or choose not to own one at all, treating the condition with light undertones or outright disbelief and amusement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomophobia

@Logicboy03, Mr Anony wasn't the one denying the obvious truth here. No matter the evidence shown to you via logic, you've made up your mind never to accept it. so was is the use!!

@OP, Failures who don't have anything positive to contribute to society. "Critics know the way, but can't drive the car" - Anonymous

cyrexx: see these confused schizos following an incoherent religious code.

These same bible you quoted also mandated you to make disciples of all nations. If those nations close their minds to new ideas like you christians do too, they become despicable pigs and swines to you. What a bunch of confused schizophrenics

I wonder why your puny yahweh god will depend on confused schizos to spread his message and he cant do nothing for himself except to threaten punishment in a mythical place for those who are dead and gone.

You really sound afraid and i wonder why? i just post a comment and it seems to prick you enough to rant about it. Only the wise will understand what that means

"Don't waste what is holy on people who are unholy. Don't throw your pearls to pigs! They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you. Matthew 7:6

@Logicboy, i am surprise you can allude to a link to provide support to your argument, when you recently accuse me of copy and pasting articles to support my point. All you've done all day is to tactical dodge the point My Anony has been making. And as for wiegraf, it is no use answering your comment cos most are really merry go round.

@Mr Anony, i like your logic and analytical mind. Carry on!!

@Kay 17, God is the grand designer of the universe and He loves order. That is why there is law governing the universe and its planetary systems. The earth is at the right distance from the sun, anymore closer it'll be too hot to sustain life, any further it'll be too cold for most species to survive. And by the way laws are not made by chance, they come from well thought out plans and purposes.

I've posted comments from the bibles and made my point, even if you don't want to read, that does mean i should repeat it over and over again

Now i know that logicboy is really illogical,

A slave is forced to work through mental or physical threat, owned or controlled by an 'employer', usually through mental or physical abuse or threatened abuse, dehumanised, treated as a commodity or bought and sold as 'property', physically constrained or has restrictions placed on his/her freedom of movement.

Any child that is made to go through the above in the name of houseboy/girl is a slave. You don't have to like it or agree but that is the fact

Mr Anony never aludes to the fact that slavery is ok in what ever context but to draw up the fact that we also practice slavery in our homes and don't want to call it slavery. You should be smart enough to understand his comments

@Mr Anony, thanks for that wonderful piece. the definition of slavery has changed over the years. In the days of old, parents who cannot feed their families sell their children into slavery perhaps so that their new master can train and feed their children for them. It's not much different from what we call houseboys/girls today, because most of these kids are not given the right to enjoy their childhood as the master's children. They are laboured with the chores of the house and most times not feed properly. If a child is made to do hard work and hawk on the street to get money for the family, in todays world that is slavery.

Most nigerians though won't agree with you on this definitions.

Persons such as Logicboy and wiegraf maynot agree that this is slavery. they have seen such thing practices all around them and can't come out to tell such person that they are practicing slavery

Exodus 21:16 ESV
“Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 5:1
For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
Deuteronomy 23:15
“You shall not give up to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you.
Deuteronomy 24:7
“If a man is found stealing one of his brothers of the people of Israel, and if he treats him as a slave or sells him, then that thief shall die. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.
Leviticus 25:42
For they are my servants, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt; they shall not be sold as slaves.
Luke 4:18
“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
Exodus 21:1-6
“Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out alone. But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,’ ...
1 Timothy 1:10
The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
Leviticus 25:39
“If your brother becomes poor beside you and sells himself to you, you shall not make him serve as a slave:

I think you really did not read my post or you just skimp through it, let me quote myself again, "He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death." (Exodus 21:16). that is what the Almighty God decreed, how else do you want it to be spelt. (in your own language or what)

The Universe: Scientists are convinced that our universe began with one enormous explosion of energy and light, which we now call the Big Bang. This was the singular start to everything that exists: the beginning of the universe, the start of space, and even the initial start of time itself. The universe has not always existed. It had a start...what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.
The universe operates by uniform laws of nature that never changes, why does it? Gravity remains consistent and the speed of light doesn't change -- on earth or in galaxies far from us.
This must be the Handiwork of some master planner, or do you have a better explanation. Even scientist that believes in the big bang theory cannot attempt to answer such uniformity.
Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, "Why nature is mathematical is a mystery...The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle."


We'll soon get to the planet earth and it's complexity which points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.
We'll also get the complexity of the human anatomy and the brain which our medical science is fully yet to understans all of its workings. all this point to grand designer

@thehomer, i've actually been engaging in discussion, just that some persons want the discussion to be on their term. The reason i copied those side and usually give them credit by posting a link is because their write up was comprehensive and i like it. though is a long read and most people don't like reading long comments.

@wiegraf, What is your point really? i'll attemtpt to logically give you proof of God existence if only you'll have an open mind

Proverbs 12:15. A person that trusts only himself to make good judgment is a fool and is not wise. God created us to rely on Him for His purposes. He is our moral compass who we should trust to make good decisions in life. Without a relationship with God, our Creator, we lose our direction. Without real purpose, our decisions are easily influenced by self-destructive desires and temporary circumstances. We are like a rudderless ship that gets tossed to and fro in dangerous waters.

The definition of a fool is “a person who lacks good judgment”. From a Biblical perspective you lack good judgment when you do not seek God for answers in all things. A wise person looks to God for answers. A wise person seeks godly counsel to do what is right. A fool has deceived himself when he thinks he alone can determine what is right and wrong. Without godly counsel in our lives, we deceive ourselves into thinking we are wise and know what is best (Proverbs 12:15, “The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkened unto counsel is wise.”). Instead we are just fools in God‘s eyes.

To God, a fool is no different than an evil person. Both do evil and are enemies of God. The only difference is an evil person knows he is doing evil despite the consequences. A fool does not know that he does evil, nor understand the consequences of his actions.

@Logicboy03, There is hope for you atlast (even though you were sarcastic about it). You do believe there is a God but too proud to admit you do. He loves you and wants you to change your ways

Introduction, God condones slavery?
Skeptics claim that the God of the Bible approves of and encourages slavery. What they won't tell you is that selling a person into slavery was grounds for the death penalty, according to the Old Testament...

Rich Deem
The claim is often made that the Bible approves of slavery, implicating God as its supporter, since rules governing slavery can be found in the both the Old and New Testament. Since virtually everyone agrees that forced, involuntary servitude is morally wrong, how can Christians justify the Bible's apparent support of slavery?

What the Old Testament says about slaveryFirst, we must recognize that the Bible does not say God supports slavery. In fact, the slavery described in the Old Testament was quite different from the kind of slavery we think of today - in which people are captured and sold as slaves. According to Old Testament law, anyone caught selling another person into slavery was to be executed:

"He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death." (Exodus 21:16)

So, obviously, slavery during Old Testament times was not what we commonly recognize as slavery, such as that practiced in the 17th century Americas, when Africans were captured and forcibly brought to work on plantations. Unlike our modern government welfare programs, there was no safety-net for ancient Middle Easterners who could not provide a living for themselves. In ancient Israel, people who could not provide for themselves or their families sold them into slavery so they would not die of starvation or exposure. In this way, a person would receive food and housing in exchange for labor.

So, although there are rules about slavery in the Bible, those rules exist to protect the slave. Injuring or killing slaves was punishable - up to death of the offending party.1 Hebrews were commanded not to make their slave work on the Sabbath,2 slander a slave,3 have sex with another man's slave,4 or return an escaped slave.5 A Hebrew was not to enslave his fellow countryman, even if he owed him money, but was to have him work as a hired worker, and he was to be released in 7 years or in the year of jubilee (which occurred every 50 years), whichever came first.6 In fact, the slave owner was encouraged to "pamper his slave".7

What the New Testament says about slaverySince many of the early Christians were slaves to Romans,8 they were encouraged to become free if possible, but not worry about it if not possible.9 The Roman empire practiced involuntary slavery, so rules were established for Christians who were subject to this slavery or held slaves prior to becoming Christians. The rules established for slaves were similar to those established for other Christians with regard to being subject to governing authorities.10 Slaves were told to be obedient to their master and serve them sincerely, as if serving the Lord Himself.11 Paul instructed slaves to serve with honor, so that Christianity would not be looked down upon.12

As with slaves, instructions were given to their masters as to how they were to treat their slaves. For example, they were not to be threatened,13 but treated with justice and fairness.14 The text goes on to explain that this was to be done because God is the Master of all people, and does not show partiality on the basis of social status or position.13, 14

There is an interesting letter in the New Testament (Philemon15-21) that gives some insight into the problems encountered in the early Christian church regarding the issue of slavery. Paul, the author of the letter, is writing from a Roman prison awaiting trial.15 He is writing to Philemon, who runs a local Christian church out of his house16 (since Christianity was highly persecuted at this point in time). Philemon, we find out, is the master of the slave Onesimus, who has escaped but has been converted to Christianity by Paul.18 In the letter, Paul indicates that he is sending Onesimus back to Philemon.19 However, Paul says that he has confidence that Philemon will "do what is proper"17 although Paul wants him to do it by his "own free will".20 Even so, Paul indicates that Onesimus would be a great aid in helping him spread the gospel.19 Paul ends the letter by saying that he has "confidence in your obedience" and indicates that he knows Philemon "will do even more than what I say."21 Although Paul did not directly order Philemon to release Onesimus from slavery, it would have been difficult to come away with any other conclusion from his letter.

God does not distinguish between slaves and freemenContrary to the claims of many skeptics, the New Testament proclaims that all people are equal in the eyes of God - even slaves:

•There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:28)
•knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free. (Ephesians 6:8 )
•And masters, do the same things to them, and give up threatening, knowing that both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no partiality with Him. (Ephesians 6:9)
•a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all. (Colossians 3:11)
Conclusion The idea that God or Christianity encourages or approves of slavery is shown to be false. In fact, anybody who was caught selling another person into slavery was to be executed. However, since voluntary slavery was widely practiced during biblical times, the Bible proscribes laws to protect the lives and health of slaves. Paul, the author of many of the New Testament writings, virtually ordered the Christian Philemon to release his Christian slave from his service to "do what is proper". In addition, numerous verses from the New Testament show that God values slaves as much as any free person and is not partial to anyone's standing before other people.


http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/slavery_bible.html
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