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GloriousGbola:
IMHO Netanyahu deliberately allowed the October massacre to happen because he knew the fallout could turn the course of the us election

With a Trump in the white house and republicans in control he can do whatever he wants.

Beyond the unfortunate events of October 7, it’s important to remember that Trump actively campaigned on a promise not to drag the U.S. into more wars. He repeatedly stated that one of his top priorities was to end the conflicts between Russia and Ukraine, as well as the Israel-Palestine-Iran tensions—and, by extension, reduce instability across the Middle East.

Even his early visit to Saudi Arabia seemed to suggest he was trying to approach things differently.
But with the way events have escalated recently, it’s hard not to wonder how other countries are viewing the U.S.—and whether they can genuinely trust anything coming from its leadership.

At this point, it’s honestly becoming absurd how Israel continues to violate international rules of engagement with what seems like complete impunity.

And while I understand the need for any nation to defend itself, how does fueling more wars help anyone—especially when they appear to be the aggressor on nearly every front?

izzou:
[color=royalblue]In what world would attacking Iran bring peace?

What happened yesterday is just another beginning of another endless war

We all know the end; Innocent lives would be lost, it would affect the world economy, and become the foundation for more attacks in the future.
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Exactly! I’m even more disappointed with Trump—first in how he handled the Russia-Ukraine situation, and now with the Israel-Iran-Palestine conflict and related tensions.
This is a President who campaigned on ending endless wars, yet what we’re seeing now is escalation on every front.

When will these endless wars actually end?

What’s even more frustrating is that, in the midst of all the ongoing efforts to bring peace between the warring parties, Trump has now admitted that he knew Israel was planning to attack Iran all along.

I mean… what’s the end goal this time?
More war? More excuses for lives to be lost?
Because honestly, I don’t get it.

GloriousGbola:
what i am saying is that Iran is already sponsoring their movements in nigeria and they have been doing so since the 80s

it is not an abstract argument

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrahim_Zakzaky



also this

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-22722948

What I’m saying is that Nigerian government have been largely complacent—or perhaps it’s more accurate to say that several of our leaders are actively colluding with external interests.

Ideally, our focus should be on addressing the root causes of our own problems here at home, rather than justifying or celebrating the escalation of events abroad—especially when such tensions could potentially lead to a third world war.

GloriousGbola:
i hope we all realize that the shiites who every other day start blocking and attacking convoys are backed by iran

so no one should thinking iran is a mere academic exercise for us

we also have a stake

If that’s the case, then our focus should be on addressing issues here at home—our own people—not supporting an unprecedented act of aggression overseas that has little or nothing to do with us directly.

This is the same kind of justification the U.S. used to get involved in Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Yet, despite all that, the world is still far from peaceful.

I’m sorry, but I respectfully disagree with that school of thought.

OasisX:


......tough question. LOL!

What's good for the goose, perhaps ain't good for the gander.

From what I understand of his post, it seems he’s suggesting that only one country in the region should be allowed to have access to these weapons.
If that’s the case, I’m genuinely interested in understanding the reasoning behind that viewpoint.

Ellexy:
See eh, context is everything. Ukraine has never posed an existential threat to Russia, nor has it ever threatened to wipe Russia off the world map. What we’re witnessing is simply your lord and saviour, Putin, chasing his fantasy of reviving the old USSR. For him, taking Ukraine is a major piece in that delusional empire puzzle.

Israel, on the other hand, is fighting for its very survival. There’s an Igbo adage that says, “Only a tree gets threatened with an axe and still stands there doing nothing.” Israel is no tree. The only reason it’s still a nation today is because it has maintained military superiority over hostile neighbours who have tried repeatedly to wipe it out and failed. That, and the backing of its Western allies.

Now, when a country like Iran who has publicly vowed to erase you starts sniffing around nuclear weapons, you don’t fold your arms and wait to become radioactive dust. Israel understands that as a small nation, one nuclear strike could be all it takes to end them. So yes, they’ll do whatever it takes to stop that from happening preemptively, decisively, and unapologetically.

Sorry, but could you please let us know if Isreal has nuclear weapons?

raumdeuter:
Isreal is openly roaming your air space, taking out your generals at will, they can even turn around throw a party on your airspace

Then your response is to be kidnapping random Israelis on the street, shooting couples going for dinners, attacking embassies going through proxies and ragtag terrorist organizations

That is a real beta move. The type of moves you will expect from a local militia like MEND or IPOB vs Nigerian army

Not even Ghana will take that and thinking shooting random Israelis on the street of Madrid is the equivalent

Someone comes to your living room, destroys it, slaps you and you are doing them Waka from afar

Yesterday when I first heard the news I was actually thinking there will be a strong immediate military response but hearing that na terrorism dem wan take respond is disappointing

Iran has shown itself to be very weak and a Beta

😂😂😂

Raumdeuter da great! Las las….e get why you buy that gun.

raumdeuter:
This is an open admission that Iran is inferior to Israel and cannot match them or go toe to toe with them. [quote author=raumdeuter post=135672471]We are also not created equal. Some people have a greater bandwidth for trouble than you

I no fit let person use bottle design my face and have to explain to parents, future employers, future business partners, inlaws and embassies what happened to me.

If na person wey get something to lose or not. A known thug that already has nothing to lose no be person wey you wan follow enter trouser IMO. He does not have your goals,

Imagine say na Kabaka or McOluomo of 20yrs ago dey Wan obtain you, will you rather become his ATM for that day and start avoiding him or drag with him and the likely consequences

That driver, Agbero thug can escalate to levels you can't keep up with either because your power no reach am or you have way more to lose immediately and in future

Egbon na wetin you think? Maybe Isreal na the Agbero while Iran dey peace loving like you. 😂

raumdeuter:
This is an open admission that Iran is inferior to Israel and cannot match them or go toe to toe with them.

Its the equivalent of running Guerilla warfare in Vietnam forest vs US forces

Someone you claim to be his equal cannot be punching you and removing your teeth while you are scratching and biting them

Someone came to your homeland to attack you and the best response is to be attacking their own embassies abroad? Why not go and attack their homeland too

So what's the difference between Iran and Hamas, Houthi if your response is the typical Hamas in tunnels response

The shocking thing is everyone in the world knew Israel would be doing it, they even set an appointment and gave a date, kept the date, even did extras and Iran couldn't do anything to stop it nor counter or even retaliate with equal measures

This isn't the first time, In the last 12months they have cleared IRGC officials multiple times, and what Iran has to show is sending drones that were intercepted easily

By today Israell war cabinet members should be dropping, Bibi, Yoav Gallant, Dermer should be in getting smoke directly not like I will kidnap your citizens on vacation in Brazil type things

Its shameful to say the least

GloriousGbola:
That Dayo is very very selfish

Buying range when he can do 1m giveaway for each of us on xmas

Same for diggz - another wicked man blinding boys with dollar instead of sharing luxury vehicles for the boys

Let me tell those selfish pricks how to spend their money on me

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😂😂😂

Griffon:
You no dey see dem hairstyles?

I dey suspect say na the same barbershop dem dey go and na Sanchez dey pay for Maresca’s haircut.

Na only God go epp person for Ireti and the chronic gambler hand because I no understand their marriage. Unfortunately, e be like na our number for next season be that…

Emaprince:
Are you sure every one was lamenting over the crooked budget? Check well...Lovers of Nigeria finds no fault in the act of "sabotage" by these men milking the nation.

Oh I forgot, we are all a reflection.

....anything to not condemn their evil deeds......

Apparently, TheFlint1 disagrees with you, bro—shockingly unsurprising at this point. 😂

Theflint1:
At what point did the money they stole cross from being plain theft to becoming sabotage, and how did you arrive at the number?

N4billion must be a joke to you!

It’s not like they walked into your living room to steal your TV or made away with your iPhone.

These guys didn’t steal N100k, or N1 million, or even N100 million. They stole N4 billion—from a company that hasn’t even declared profit yet and is still drowning in over $2 billion in debt, not to mention what other investors have put in.

And you want to downplay that as just simple theft?

Bro, you seriously need prayers.😂😂

raumdeuter:
I didnt tell you, I sowed the car into Pastor Paul Adefarasin ministry

Na my Range he take pull taser out

He prayed for me that my helpers are here. Diggz for financial sponsorship and izzou to fund my fintech

That range wey I sow, I go take am get private jet and demote Dangote

Oga go catch you oooo

Theflint1:
The difference between plain theft and deliberate sabotage is the intention behind each...how is this still difficult for your non-Microbiology brain to comprehend?

You can aspire to be the butt of jokes and clownery, that's up to you...it's a hard pass for me though.

How would you know their intentions? Did any of them come to you to explain why they chose to steal N4 billion—or are you related to one of the people who took the money?

We all saw how Dangote was practically crying every day last year over the issues he had with NNPC. The man was also neck-deep in debt—dealing with what he owed Nigerian banks and other investors.

In the middle of all that, a group of people still had the audacity to steal N4 billion worth of product—while he was struggling to meet demand.

But somehow, you want us to believe it’s just theft and not sabotage?

If you’re the standard of what microbiology graduates produce, then honestly, maybe Odumeje has been right all along.

It’s honestly wild that, even with the help of ChatGPT, your brain still struggles to process the simple fact that stealing N4 billion from a company is sabotage.

Now tell me—those boys who vandalise pipelines, are they just stealing, or are they sabotaging the economy?

While ChatGPT is a useful tool, it shouldn’t replace our ability to think for ourselves.

Because of people like you, I’ve decided—no child of mine will waste my money studying organisms in university. I’m not about to sponsor anyone just to come out reasoning with half a brain.

Maresca na better ogbanje! I really dey interested in wetin chronic gambler give am chop walahi

[quote author= raumdeuter post=135712744]Na me you fit bully

My elder brother diggz don come now

Make I point out my tormentors to him

Diggz after you plank Theflint1 finish, come start with izzou too[/quote]Egbon….just dash me your range…I go epp you battle Izzou even though na my person him be 😂

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Diggz

Remind me never to cross your path

What is this, abeg? [/color]

iamoyindamola:
I always remind him to drink cold water or hug transformer
Him blood to they hot

TheFlint na my guy, but sometimes him dey go off point.

Take this for example:
A few days ago, someone posted our padded budget, and almost everyone here was lamenting over it.

So, are we going to say the politicians are merely stealing—or are they actually sabotaging the progress of the nation?

Or let’s look at NITEL, NIPOST, Nigerian Railways, Nigerian Airways, and the rest.
The people who diverted funds from those institutions—were they just stealing, or were they actively sabotaging the institutions and, by extension, the country?

Theflint1:
No matter how much you try and twist into pretzels dictionary definitions, theft and sabotage will never be synonyms. Logic is not a synonym for lies either.

And yes, I studied Microbilogy, you can do like Odumeje and deride the course, that's up to you, I'm sure it's perfect company.

“By their fruits, we shall know them.” Or better yet, “by their reasoning, we shall know them.”

It’s not my fault that you spent your university years cramming the names of organisms without developing even a single atom of critical thinking or the ability to reason your way to a logical conclusion. That’s not on me.

In that same ChatGPT you consulted, it literally gave you an example of sabotage. For your sake, let me quote it verbatim:

“Vandalizing machinery to prevent production, planting malware in a system to disrupt operations, or intentionally breaking equipment to delay a project.”

Since you apparently can’t use the brain God gave you and need everything spoon-fed, I had to simplify it further using this:

“Stealing a company’s product—thereby preventing it from making a profit, threatening its sustainability, or stopping it from fulfilling orders to paying customers—doesn’t count as sabotage.”

Yet, here you are, still doing cho cho cho.

Instead of looking down on Odumeje, maybe you should take a moment to learn how he managed to get where he is today. ChatGPT won’t give you that answer, and clearly, you can’t process or apply any information it hasn’t already handed to you directly.

By the way, I assume you must have N4 billion just lying around in your living room—that’s probably why you’re struggling to comprehend how a group of people stealing N4 billion from a company that’s still indebted to Nigerian banks to the tune of over $2 billion amounts to sabotage.

Theflint1:
I make sure to always reference ChatGPT when they're primary source

What it amounts to is different from what was intended. For the person stealing, their goal is to enrich themselves, that Dangote refinery is ultimately sabotaged is secondary.

Their actions would ultimately have the same effect as say indians that slipped into the staff of Dangote to cripple the company from inside, with the goal of keeping Nigeria energy dependent, but their intentions are different. That difference in intention is what differentiates theft and deliberate sabotage.

Did you even look at the example ChatGPT gave you for sabotage?

But according to ChatGPTTheFlint1, stealing a company’s product—thereby preventing it from making a profit, threatening its sustainability, or stopping it from fulfilling orders to paying customers—doesn’t count as sabotage.

Sorry, are you one of those so-called STEM graduates who studied animal science, microbiology, and the like in university?

Omo…..bros abeg ask ChatGPT to epp you with logic.

Theflint1:
With one sabotage is the intention, and with another sabotage is a by-product of what's actually intended.

Is this from ChatGPT or the actual person behind this moniker? Because honestly, it’s embarrassing that you have the nerve to keep arguing against basic common sense in this case. Then again, you’ve done this at least three times on different occasions—so maybe it’s just a you thing.

What’s truly alarming is that you’d think a group of people stealing N4 billion from the only functional refinery in the country doesn’t amount to sabotage.

Now that you’ve used ChatGPT to understand the difference between theft and sabotage, why not also use it to explore the consequences of consistently stealing N4 billion from a company like Dangote Refinery? Ask about the impact on the Federal Government, the banks, the Dangote Group, their workers—and by extension, the entire country—since applying logic seems to be a challenge for you.

Just so you know, I’m starting to see Kimbeast in you.

afrodoc2:
A country is producing corrupt and wicked politicians in bulk, generation after generation BUT somehow miraculously the general population that is producing these politicians is totally different.

Another argument that’s been introduced into the conversation today is that our politicians are merely thieves, not saboteurs—because they’re stealing for personal gain, not with the intention of destroying the country.

You really can’t argue with that kind of lack of logic, man.

afrodoc2:


See as you dey ask question like saint. E be like say you don set one trap somewhere. Who no know you for this thread?

😂😂

Dockie lol. My initial post wasn’t even a trap—it was just an honest question I asked the guy. Clearly, he lifted his core argument straight from ChatGPT. At least now I understand a bit more about the person behind the post—someone who sees a group of people stealing N4 billion as just “theft” and not sabotage.

Theflint1:
No, it's not based on how it gets used alone.

Bro abeg epp me. I no get power for whataboutism today. Just try drop everything in one place so I can better understand your reasoning. Thank you 🙏🏾

Theflint1:
The intention differentiates both.

So while a thief would ALWAYS use the things they steal to enrich themselves, someone committing sabotage might not...they could even steal from Dangote and destroy the items they stole, they're more committed to subverting the man's business through the theft than they are to enriching themselves.

I understand why one could descibe both as same, but strictly speaking, they're distinct enough.

So, if I understand you correctly, your argument is essentially based on how the stolen resources are used— is that right?

And just to be clear, would it be fair to say that this is the main foundation your entire argument rests on?

Theflint1:
From the POV of the thief, stealing is not sabotage if the intention was simply theft.

And hopefully persons that are victims of either or both are able to identify what's what, it'd help them in responding appropriately.

Thefli:
Sabotage and stealing have different definitions for a reason...that there's some overlap between stealing and sabotage doesn't mean they're necessarily the same thing.

Thefli:
Fair enough, maybe there is some inconsistency in how people respond to both, but that's sort of another discussion...and it's possible the difference in reaction to both situations is that while one is "private" wealth, the other is public wealth.

Sorry, but could you please explain in clear and simple terms how stealing from Dangote’s refinery doesn’t amount to sabotage? I’m not looking for the dictionary definition—we’ve already seen that. I genuinely want to understand your reasoning.

I see that you’re trying to draw a distinction between private wealth and public wealth in another post you made, but I still don’t quite understand why you believe stealing from Dangote’s refinery wouldn’t be considered sabotage.

Trevor012:
Why you dey fear

Wetin Cunha, Gyokeres and Mbuemo go do your Chelsea next season when, you go run leave them come join us

Una go relegate las las lol

BlueRayDick:
Collect what ?

I guess because him see your namesake dey view thread same time with your main

Trevor012:
Just go to an old thread and block someone. You will confirm it.

Make I go test am with you sharply before we enter next season this one una don use style assemble avengers lol

Leyqute:
How many players City don buy since Jan sef? E suppose don enter 10 by now

Dem dey oppress your club badly sha. You sure say fraudiola aim no be to destroy all una records before him retire?

Ibime:
Even during summer they don't bathe more than weekly. My wife just took our children to a resort with 2 of her mummy friends and their children and reported that none of them bathed the whole week. I even asked if it's because they were in the swimming pool for 3 or 4 days of that time and she said they didn't shower after swimming which means carrying chlorine on their body straight from swimming pool. Another of my daughter's friend came for playdate and said she needs to return before 7pm because today (Sunday) is her shower day while mummy's shower day is Wednesday and Daddy's is Thursday. One of our neighbour (woman) also said she showers once a week, even Prince Harry once confessed to showering only once a week.

And these people go dey kolobi, give brains etc ontop smelly boxers and private parts

😂😂😂

Ronaldo just dey stroll lol baba no fit for wahala lol

Theflint1:
I was not party to the sitution you described, maybe giving the danfo driver a bloody nose was the only option you had...maybe not, but I can bet that didn't fix your car, and if you had met your match or better, I'm sure your car wouldn't have been the only thing that got bashed...keep on fighting danfo drivers with little to lose, can never be me though .

Theflint1:
You need to understand that it's in your nature to fight, hence you'd handle things in this manner.

For some other persons, it's not in their nature to engage in physical violence and that thing you see as hand inside your eyes is something to laugh over or shrug off...and that fight you'd willingly partake in, they'd find any and every means to avoid it.

No vex—but I already mentioned earlier that you’re a far better human being than I am nah, so it’s amusing that you still feel the need to keep gloating.

Life—and conflict in general—comes with wins and losses. I don’t understand why you’re acting like you’ve just uncovered some profound truth I’m unaware of. Anyway, thanks for the advice, as if the situation I referenced didn’t happen 14 years ago.

What’s even more amusing is how you conveniently ignored a much more recent incident from last year, which I mentioned in one of the posts you quoted. Just like you’ve conveniently avoided responding or sharing your so-called knowledge on how to handle clear, scenario-based situations that require you to take a position—choosing instead to vaguely suggest “there are other ways” without offering anything concrete.

But don’t worry—if it ever comes down to it again, I won’t be the one handling it.

Still, it’s oddly comforting to know that people like you—who clearly have zero fight in them—still exist. 😂