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DeepSight:
Small question which leaps to mind, for LordReed and Gang (Diridiri, Tamaratonye1) -

What do you think accounts for the sometimes radically different personalities of siblings who may have grown up together and thus received virtually identical sets of experiences and "nurture."

To bring this question into greater lucidity, presuppose identical twins raised together and who, like my own younger brothers, do everything together from infancy up into their present forties.

Would I be correct in assuming that you are suggesting an inherent nature subject to, but not necessarily originating from one's experiences?

DeepSight:
Well let me just clarify here that what I advance is no dualism of the "self" but actually a singular immaterial self dwelling in a material encasement, which for all practical purposes has the nature of a biological machine or robot, complete with its very advanced computerized section, which you may call the brain.

Although this is definitely a possible explanation as to the nature of the "self", it's also unnecessary, the way I see it. What function of the self requires an immaterial component to be executed? I don't think any such function exists, but I'm always welcome to the possibility that I have missed something.

Generally, if a detail in an explanation seems unnecessary or unjustified, I would consider the explanation incomplete regardless of whether the conclusion happens to be true or not.

The same objection relates to your final comment. If the tool can explain the entirety of the functionality of the system, then why does the system require that the tool have a user? In the case of a wheelbarrow, for instance, knowing that a wheelbarrow cannot move on its own is enough for one to conclude that a moving wheelbarrow must be being moved, either by a human being, a steep hill, or some other source of energy. But in the case of our machine, we already have an explanation for where the energy needed for the computer to run comes from. Is there something that hints at an immaterial user?

tctrills:
We learn of Jephthah in Judges 11 who sacrificed his daughter. Was it an act of righteousness or murder?

When Abraham wanted to sacrifice Isaac, was it not God that stopped him?
So why did God not stop Jephthah? Obviously he wanted human sacrifice.
The Bible says that God delights in the smell of burnt offering. Maybe the smell of goats and cows wasn't enough anymore.

Nobody555:
Important note!
Pls ensure to make your responses short and precise. Referencing the bible is very essential. No insult on personal level or religion is allowed pls. Let's try to portray Christ in our character and how we interact with others. Don't try to force your opinions on others, it's an open discussion. When proving your point, asking questions is better than making assertions.

Since when i was in my early teens, i have been finding it hard to comprehend and believe the Trinity. I'm often told that I need to believe God as mystery. So i wonder, how can I know or walk with a mystery God?
I also wonder if the the disciples and the early church understand God as three persons in one God or one God in three persons or just one singular God, a person?

John 14:17,26
[17]He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth.......
[26]But when the Father sends the Advocate as my representative—that is, the Holy Spirit—he will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I have told you.

The question here is if the holy spirit taught the apostles and first believers everything and led them into all truth, why are we still left to believe God as mystery?
Another question is those that established the Trinity doctrine years later after the early christians, were they led by the holy spirit?

"Trinitarians believe that the one God eternally exists in three Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; and that these three are one God, co-equal and co-eternal, having precisely the same nature and attributes, and worthy of precisely the same worship, confidence, and obedience".

Now this thread will focus mainly on the "COEQUALNESS" of the Trinity members. Other qualities will be discussed in my subsequent thread.
Is the Father greater than the son?
Are YHWH and Jesus really coequal?

John 14:28
[28]Remember what I told you: I am going away, but I will come back to you again. If you really loved me, you would be happy that I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am.
1 Corinthians 11:3
[3]But there is one thing I want you to know: The head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

There is no mention of the Trinity in the Gospels, and anyone who quotes anything apart from the Gospels is an idiot, since most of those things are letters written by apostles and not holy scriptures. You can even see the disagreements that Paul had with Peter or James the brother of Jesus in the different letters they wrote (like whether faith alone will take you to heaven or not, or the importance of circumcision, or the relationship between the Gospels and the Gentiles, and so on and so forth).

cornelboy:

God’s View of Blood
Blood is vital. Without it, none of us could live. As the Creator, God has the right to say how blood may be used. What has he said about blood? Can it be eaten or transfused? And how can you make good decisions on this matter?
1. What is Jehovah’s view of blood?Jehovah told his worshippers in Bible times: “The life of every sort of flesh is its blood.” (Leviticus 17:14) To Jehovah, blood represents life. Since life is a sacred, or holy, gift from God, blood is also sacred.
2. What use of blood does God forbid?Jehovah commanded his pre-Christian worshippers not to eat blood. (Read Genesis 9:4 and Leviticus 17:10.) He confirmed this command when the governing body instructed Christians to “keep abstaining . . . from blood.”​—Read Acts 15:28, 29.What does it mean to abstain from blood? If a doctor told you to abstain from alcohol, you would not drink it. But would you eat foods that contained it or have alcohol injected into your veins? Obviously not. Likewise, God’s command to abstain from blood means that we should not drink blood or eat meat that has not been bled. Nor should we eat any food to which blood has been added.
What about the medical use of blood? Some procedures clearly violate God’s law. These include the transfusion of whole blood or any of its main components​—red cells, white cells, platelets, and plasma. Other medical procedures may not be a clear-cut violation of God’s law. For example, some procedures involve the use of fractions of one of the main components of blood. Other procedures involve the use of a person’s own blood. When weighing these options, each of us must make a personal decision.​—Galatians 6:5.

All Christians are wrong about most things, so yes.
They will quote Leviticus 17:10, but they will not quote the passage in the bible that says you should stone a woman to death if she does not scream loudly enough while getting raped (Deuteronomy 22:23-24) or the one that says you should stone disobedient children to death, and so on and so forth.

I don't care what idiotic jargon they believe in though, as long as they stop knocking on my door on Saturday mornings while I'm trying to sleep.

DeepSight:
Let me just add with respect to this here: this is probably the most profound question a human being will have to deal with in his or her evolution. It is a question every bit as mystical and perplexing as the nature of reality itself, the nature of time, the source of life and the cause of the universe. I often find myself wondering if those people who call themselves materialists have taken time to stare deeply at their own reflection in a mirror and truly absorb themselves in it: because what must emerge is nothing short of a puzzling hall of mirrors which, if nothing else, removes every scintilla of doubt that the being that you are is not the encasement you stare at.

Apologies in advance to LordReed, who I must carefully note, does not say this.

I consider myself a materialist, and I would say that the reverse applies to me: It was in my deep musings and long periods of inner exploration that I came to the conclusions that I hold now.
Of the more conspicuous issues inherent to a non-materialistic perspective is it's dependence on the existence of something which, by its very nature, is immune to inspection (for if it were not, the question of the self would be trivial, wouldn't it?). It's a tempting angle to look at things from, but is too convenient an answer to such a difficult question - too convenient for myself, anyhow.

The self, as it appears to me, is an algorithm build to repair the gaps formed by our memories and our capacity for inner examination. It's most critical function then is to create a consistent "being" - comprised of our thoughts, feelings, actions, reactions and relationships. Functionally this makes sense: most mental operations executed by the brain are sequential, and the output generated by them depends heavily on the output generated at a previous iteration. Our reactions to experiences depend heavily on our previous reactions to similar experiences, and our personalities are constructed by our experiences and our reactions to said experiences, which are also strongly correlated to our personalities at the time. For a self-feeding algorithm such as this to function properly, we must consistently perceive ourselves in one single stream of consciousness, so as to avoid mental confusion.

I am often baffled by the perspectives of those who prescribe to a dualistic outlook of the self. Given the numerous cases of the physical configuration of the brain having direct, predictable effects on one's perception of the self, one would think that the dualistic perspective would have been largely abandoned by now.

sammy329:

The media bias and manipulation by the big tech is really worrying.


Twitter was manipulating its trend to deliberately embarrass Donald Trump. This kind of manipulation by the these people that have turned themselves must be stopped.


Few unelected men should not have that kind of power.

his actions and tweets directly caused a riot in america, so they banned him
abeg dont start this nonsense today
embarrass ke? is it not this man that embarrasses himself daily?

donald trump has always been professional mumu, the only people who liked him are christians that he manipulate with his political campaign and professional mumus like him.

that twitter ban still dey do trump like this?
anyway i dont care what this mumu man has to say, hes no longer president

is facebook not there? mumu.

me sef i dont know anything about who stole what from whom
i saw this website one time though that shows pictures from historical igbo land
https://ukpuru.tumblr.com/

igbo people get culture is just that most of them are ashamed of it since all of them are christian and the bible say this one and that one is witchcraft
so am doubting if us igbo people even used to wear what we are claiming cultural attire now, maybe we stole
i know that kingdom of benin was a massive kingdom, most people date it starting around the 11th century so 800 years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Benin

they never say wetin kill am
maybe its coro maybe its not

wait o, is it not TB Joshua that was saying that coronavirus will be gone by March 2020?
and now you are saying the same coronavirus don kill am
god is truly a comedian

the kind hatred wey i have for this mumu bastard buhari eh

kutashi:
Don't mind the idiot! While a lecturer will be lamenting with just a pence, I repeat, a pence in drop of share Price here in UK!

The mumu doesn't know that, the fine alone can lead to a cent drop in share price which may translate to a Billion erosion on the total company's worth!

Those people are educated illiterate which are far worse than ordinary illiterate because those one believes they knew not!

ok na let us see

lies upon lies
all these pastors are vultures and maggots
as soon as one pastor die they are already concocting fake stories of visions and revelations that no one even saw

white people sef
it's not even a surprise to me, European white people are more racist that people in America
RIP

is it not this one that was there preaching divine healing and selling healing water to his mumu congregation?
so anointing water no fit save am?

now i just dey wait for Oledepo them to join am kick bucket...

HarrisAWalcott:
We are not Africans. The true Jews are Black. We have always been Black Shemites. We just look like you just as we look like Fiji Island Blacks who are not Africans and not Jews either. Accept it or not. We accept you as Africans and builders of Egypt. Show us respect as well.

okay o
whether I accept or I don't accept nothing go happen
the only thing important is whether Isreal accept

anyway sha, all power to you

GeneralShepherd:
So 17th century dark ages Europe is equivalent to modern Africa. What were your ancestors doing then ?

Stop excusing stupidity

I'm not excusing stupidity I'm exposing it
you're talking as if black people are wicked more than other people

let me tell you, there are always wicked people everywhere, Africa is just the perfect environment to exercise in wickedness

why do people want to be jews? are you not ok with yourselves?

Zenithpeak:
It seems you are not getting it right.

Pastors are special kind of people when it comes to taking advantage of the poor. I mingled with them and have seen it all... Trust me, larger percentage of them only want to meet their daily needs at the expense of whoever that comes their ways irrespective of his or her predicament.

True talk
is it not why they became pastors in the first place?

katlynf73:
This is a senseless post. Why single out Pastors? Pastors are humans just like you and me.

why not?

GeneralShepherd:
Black people are monkeys, there is no explanation.

Actually this statement is an insult to monkeys as even monkeys do not burn their fellow monkeys without an inquiry.

Tufiakwa I spit on black people

so when they were carrying innocent people calling them witch and burning them alive in europe, na black people do that one?
when these vikings were raiding villages mass raping and murdering people, na black people do that one?
when joshua was slaughtering and massacering entire nations, na black people do that one?
is it not white man that started the holocaust?

shut up abeg, go and buy sense

na wa o
did she shoot anybody?

christians too dey lie for church ehn...

Simplyleo:
Okolie Christian Daniel Nonso

Abeg, which people dey bear this kind combination?

Abi na dem?

Nonso said his mum is ashewo.

Lamidi cownu might be correct after all when he said 99% of ...

abeg shut up bros

Aladdin1:
It is people like you that makes Nigeria not to see progress.What evidence did the guy or you who hurriedly believed it, provide to prove that uchemba is gay? Its only gullible and shallow minded people like you that rush to believe false news on social media without evidence of credibility

ah na is it not you that was talking like being gay is a tarnish on his reputation?
if you wan complain complain about how the person was saying that he will cheat on his wife and not gay part

i didnt believe anything im just saying ur angry at the wrong thing

Aladdin1:
Shut up!.gaydar kill you there!!.simply say you are gay.cos it takes a gay to know a gay.stop tarnishing d poor guys reputation and image.if you have prove that he is gay.(maybe he bleeped ur yansh)then come out with it or be forever silent!!!.mtcheww! your kind are enemies of progress who dont like to see good in others.

This is why Nigeria will never see progress.
How is him being gay tarnishing his reputation?
He might be bi

In fact sef, why are you more offended by the accusation of him being gay than the accusation that he might cheat on his wife?
na wa o
God help this backwards country

this just goes to show how desperate mankind is to find solace from the fact that human beings are temporary
they will believe absolutely anything you spoon-feed them to distract themselves from that fact, it's extremely tragic
why would a merciful, kind god create us and leave us with the torture of knowing subconsciously that when we die we will cease to exist?
there is no god, and if they were we would be immortal. the fear of death (whether literal or metaphorical) is the motivator of all evils in the world whether directly or indirectly

GodWrites:
People are always craving to believe in something bigger than them, and if you must control and exercise power, you must learn to create a cult-like fellowship. Trust me, this is very easy but requires persistence and TIME.

Talking about time, you will never be alive to see your new-found religion become a tool of mass delusion. Hundreds of years after your death, people will fight and kill themselves for something you created.

If you are serious about creating your own religion, don't do this alone. Here is a simple way you can lay the foundation of a new religion.

1. CREATE AN ATTENTION

First, attract attention. This you should do not through actions, which are too clear and readable, but through words, which are hazy and deceptive. Your initial speeches, conversations, and interviews must include:

* The promise of something great and transformative.
* The other a total vagueness.

2. COPY FROM OTHER RELIGION

* Find a way both elevating and comforting.
*Create rituals for your followers.
*Organize them into a hierarchy, ranking them in grades of sanctity, and giving them names and titles that resound with religious overtones
*Ask them for sacrifices that will fill your coffers and increase your power.
*To emphasize your gathering's religious nature, talk and act like a prophet:

Christianity, for example, is the corrupt version of Paganism. Islam took from Christianity and so on. So, never be afraid to copy.

3. SET UP AN US-VERSE THEM DYNAMIC

Your religion is now large and thriving, a magnet attracting more and more particles. To keep your followers united, you must now do what all religions and belief systems have done: Create an us-versus-them dynamic.

· Make sure your followers believe they are part of an exclusive club, unified by a bond of common goals.· Manufacture the notion of a devious enemy out to ruin you.

There is a force of nonbelievers that will do anything to stop you.· If you have no enemies, invent one. Given a straw man to react against, your followers will tighten and cohere.

You must invent a devil, or your religion will be one without a foundation.

4. FEAR AND REWARD

Like every religion, they are created using the carrot and stick technique. Using extreme fear and reward to keep followers caged like a sheep. This is the main ingredient and if it is missing, your religion will never last.

Many world religions used a place of eternal suffering as it's a tool of fear, using the message of love as a decor; and heaven as a reward. You can use either fear or reward. Perhaps both! None should be missing.

5. BE PREPARED FOR THE UNBELIEVERS

Those who won't believe in your religion will definitely exist. Your job is not to convince them, but to build a mechanism in check. Which will ensure that these unbelievers don't take your sheep astray with their logic


"Only a fool says there is no God"

"At the last day, many false prophets shall rise"

A recent example of creating this quasi-religion cult-like fellowship is the case of MMM. The system was designed in a way that followers saw the government and the bank as enemies, with an aim to destroy the financial system and change the world.

The extreme fake reward of robbing Peter to pay Paul served as motivation. But like all pyramid schemes, there is always a peak.

Guess what, religion has no peak. Unless perhaps logic sets in. Even in that, the power of what you have created should be able to keep followers away from logic. They should be able to suspend their intelligence when dealing with this system which you have created.

When followers start indoctrinating their children, be rest assured that this religion might never fall again. It won't be easy for an indoctrinated child to kick against the religion he or she was brought up in. Certainly, he will key into the delusion.

Don't worry about writing a holy book. Passionate and smart followers will claim to receive from a divine source and pen down their delusion. They are smart entrepreneurs and politicians who have seen an opportunity to exploit using your system. They could do this for money or power. But be ready to keep pieces here and there for their use.

Go ahead and create a religion. You can be God, just like I. #winks

so just do what unbelievers are doing except instead of luck you believe sky daddy will save the day
so god will let you suffer and suffer just so he can take the glory when life has already finished you

you christians eh...

unprecedented stupidity
only christians oo
average iq in heaven must be in the negative numbers

indoctrination your children to the slave master's racist child murdering god i see
i hail you o!

MrNipplesLover:
Thank you, Jesus. ❤

pastor chris is the king of all fraudulent pastors
watch as he come on podium start preaching about "healthy marriage life" when he couldn't even keep his own wife

born again ke?

unforgiveness is called using your brain
if someone do something to you only an idiot will not keep that in their mental register and be careful of that person
is it only you christians?