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Who says separation must be through war? The Igbos will be happy to leave and I expect the Hausas and Yorubas to be happy to see Igbos leave! They must have been fed up with them. What I don't understand is someone you have subtly designed out of your political process, you insist on being with you perhaps they know the only uniting factor of Nigeria is the Igbos. Have you imagined what will happen if the Igbos leave? Balkanization! It's in Nigeria's interest that Igbos get 2023 presidency

0monnak0da:
And war is the way to manage "dislike"??

It's not about presidency but a clear message that we will keep marginalizing you. A clear message that we will ensure you never become number 1 in the nearest future! A message of collective dislike ! So what's the point of being where you're not wanted?

0monnak0da:
I think you are being melodramatic.

War?? Why because of presidency?

And if there was presidency no war??
Is it really worth it?
Have you seen what war looks like?
People talk of war as if it is the Big Brother House

Yorubas don't trust or like Igbos. The North does not like or trust them yet these two groups insist on one Nigeria the most. But the handwriting is on the wall and many people know it. The reason Biafra agitation has not gained appreciable traction is because the Igbo politicians believe they have a chance after Bubu . If this is thwarted, they will be fully calibrated that there is no point being in a place where you're not wanted! CIA prediction must come to pass or they will make it come to pass, just a matter of time. Emir Sanusi already said the modern Igbo man will fight his war and earn an honourable peace like the Germans did but I bet you, the Igbos will not loose a war twice!

QuotaSystem:
Why should the North suddenly be interested in supporting the SE in its political quest or even be concerned about it? To the point of even making power concessions in their interest?

What support has the SE given the North to even expect such support? Insults? Constant antagonism? Hatred and blackmail against their much loved PMB? 5% protest block votes against their favorite candidate?

I mean what really?

As to your first question, you need to outplay Yorubas by mending fences and building better alliances or else just like you fear, an Igbo man will continue to be beaten silly by any Yoruba man on the same ticket (or 12 year old kid) in any national election in this country for the next 100 years.

If only you had told that guy same thing when he gave you a bloodied nose I would have known you aren't a coward. You were supporting him yet he gave you a bloodied nose only for you to transfer the aggression to me

omenka:
When you're done crying, take a glass of water and sleep. You will be alright lad.

Talk anyhow, you go chop ban add untop. Better check your emotions.

So if PDP gives Igbo ticket and APC gives Yoruba tivket and if Yoruba wins due to their advantage of having same religion with the north, won't that make Yoruba rule twice as president when the Igbos has not done once? Was this the way Yorubas were given both tickets in 1999? You said I should not disturb you because the unethical position you're taking is beginning to get to you.

hollah123:
u are just arguing aimlessly cos u are been emotional with your argument. stop twisting my words, I am not saying an igbo man can't become president but apc can never give an igbo man ticket, go n meet pdp n leave me alone. don't disturb me again

You see how you focus on individualism. I should mention the Igbo politicians in APC who has not been compensated? So this takes care of the aspirations of millions of Igbos? If you feel strongly about the Igbos not becoming president just now when clearly it's their turn , why do you insist Igbos must be part of Nigeria? You can't be with someone you don't want to be with!

hollah123:
bro,mention any igbo man in apc that haven't been compensated? from ouk to okorocha n d likes. bro d earlier d better u realize igbos seeking apc ticket is like looking for a virgin in a maternity ward

Are there no Igbos in APC? Have you thought of looking beyond politics but national integration? Yorubas have ruled, Hausa-Fulani has ruled, equity demands that the Igbos should rule but you look for excuse to deny them!

hollah123:
bro I don't hate igbos, am telling u reality. am sure u can't give your most cherished possession to someone that doesn't like u. the igbos made it clear right from day one that they don't like apc n apc knows that for sure so u can't expect apc to b so stupid to the extent of giving their ticket to d igbos

The hard and only way is to restructure. Why are people afraid?

In Nigeria, the are 6 geopolitical regions and not 2. North and South are not regions unless you want us to go back to the Northern and Southern protectorates. When people speak about North and South, they are trying to give undue advantage to NW and SW due to their seeming voting population, and most especially their common Islamic religion that makes alignment btw them easy. If zoning will sideline some region then better to forgo it. Igbos is more about restructuring and you know it

0monnak0da:
Why do I want to achieve that ? Why is that a necessary goal for other Nigerians at this time?
I need persuading I think we had a similar debate in the north this time (last election}North West versus North East approached in the spirit of democracy once again the NW triumphed.
They are ethnically different just like SW and SE though similar in religion but the NW triumphed AGAIN no one is talking about equal participation and it is not possible to participate equally in occupying the office of president. Not all members of FIFA can host the World Cup but some have hosted twice Even if that were to be over what time span and with what methodology do we measure that.? That can only be achieved by constitutional enactment not the permutations of party politics.
Again why not demand that constitutional change if it is so important? Rotation is North South not micro rotation. If it was to be micro then that must start now you cannot backdate it and there must be acknowledgment that either Ekwueme was wrong to contest. If not then we must contest for ever

What if Ekwueme had won and served 2 terms . Would the SE have sat back and allowed SW go unopposed after the North might have done 8 years?

Now flip this on yourself! You hate the Igbos yet you don't want them to form Biafra. Many of you complain of Igbos but insist on one Nigeria

hollah123:
so u want the same devilish Hausa Fulani party that u hate with passion to present an igbo man as president? the problem u people have is that u lie to yourself a lot n u lose touch with reality. the earlier d better u realize that apc can never n will never field an igbo man as candidate.go n meet pdp, ask yourself what have u done for apc other than hating them. u hated okorocha simply because he's an apc man despite d fact that u have governors that are far worse than him, do u think apc is blind to all this? u hate someone n u want him to compensate u with his most cherished property, is that possible? y not go to pdp that u have served wholeheartedly for good 20 years?

So since you say equity is benefitting from hard work, let's scrap the zoning in its entirety and let everybody work hard and make necessary alliances. You cannot define equity to suit you, has to be general so even Kwakwanso and Elrufai should contest

seunmsg:
Jonathan defeated Buhari in 2011. Igbos are very dominant in PDP and they can push seriously for the ticket of the party.

In politics, you plan ahead and strategies to get what you want. Tinubu invested heavily in APC since 2013. He won’t give up what he has laboured for simply because of equity. Equity as far as I’m concerned is benefiting from ones hard work.

Zoning the presidency to North automatically goes to NW. Zoning to South goes to SW! So where is the equity when we know that these two regions have advantage in religious alliance (Islam).

seunmsg:
The south west has never demanded that APC should zone its presidential ticket to the region. Our position is very clear; the two leading political parties should zone their presidential tickets to the south.

Igbos on the other hand are the ones insisting that APC must zone its ticket to the south east or else, they will support a northern candidate on PDP platform.

2023 presidency belongs to the south and every zone have equal right to present candidates for the office.

How do you achieve Igbo presidency with Yorubas in the ticket? Why can't 1999 be repeated for SE for the sake of equity and equal participation?

0monnak0da:
The issue here is the claim that in 1999 presidency was zoned to the SW and the SE supported it and so now the SW should reciprocate and allow the SE to get the candidacies of both APC and PDP in 2023

Are we in agreement that this is UNTRUE
Ekwueme was entitled to contest and no one protested then

Now some are saying if SE are not given both tickets the sky will fall
We only mention this to prove that it was not zoned to the SW as many FALSELY claim.
Yes I agree that the APC presidency should be open to contest in the South but some people are saying it must be the SE only because the presidency was zoned to SW in 1999, a lie.
please can you name the person who said APC should "ZONE" presidency to SW. I am sorry but that claim is false and dishonest
I fully support a contest in APC and PDP among the ENTIRE south

Was Abiola not insensitive to have had a Muslim_muslim ticket and you expect the Igbos that are Christians to support him?

0monnak0da:
Never is such a long time.
The primary place where you can make any change in this life is in your own mind. How do we optimize our diversity?
We do not really talk to each other except to quarrel and threaten when we should be dialoguing and negotiating
I think if Nigeria is to amount to anything we must first understand ourselves.
The Eboes are quite easy to understand. Historically they never evolved any form of political organization or administration beyond the clan level . So historically they are not prepared for modern statehood .
I agree with them in the sense that Nigeria cannot go on as it is and so to that extent the presidency is not the real issue rather the issue is what do we have in common as "Nigerians" if we cannot find that commonality then they are right that we must break up.
We all have to make compromises. There are many in the core north" who act as if they won the Biafra war and so can impose their will on the rest.
That may work with 1 or 2 million not 50 million people. We must have a federal structure with resource control similar to what happened in the 60s if not we will never progress no matter who is president.

The Eboes are bitter about the civil war and other Nigerians have their different issues with them. The way I see it we have to find a way of compromising and reconciling but this must be based on truth and justice. Sadly many Eboe politicians and opinion leaders are very dishonest but this is the same in the North. I am biassed but of these 3 groups the Yorubas are the ones that do not seek to dominate anyone
The Eboes as a group are politically immature and so do not think strategically before acting . The contemporary Eboe world view is that they lost the Biafra war because of the Yoruba and this clouds their objectivity.
On the issue of presidency there was no reason for Eboes to vote Bashir Tofa who even lost in his home state of Kano .They did it out of hatred for Yorubas and then they tell themselves Yoruba hate them. A kind of Stockholm syndrome
The reason the SW want one Nigeria is very different from that of the North. The North does not think in terms of contributing but in terms of receiving with a strong sense of entitlement. I am sorry to say this but The north as it is today is a liability to the country. This can change in 20 years if education for girls particularly is prioritized and child marriage stopped.

The core north as you call it think very strategically but I am sorry to say it is the wrong strategy. It is not a strategy of human development but rather one of Islamism( i.e political Islam) . There is no country in the world where Islam (or Christianity) has brought economic development. The core north has to accept that Sharia has to go. If that does not happen then the country must break sooner or later. We have Islam in the SW but it is not the same as Islamism.
There are many in the North who like to kid themselves that it is just a matter of time before they achieve their Islamist aspiration

One thing we fail to realize is the extent to which our existence as a nation depends on European powers and the US. All we need to do is look at Syria,Libya and so on.
It will not take these powers 1 year to break Nigeria up into warring ministates while they drain our meagre resources
Hating each other therefore as attractive as it is is no solution. We must compromise,dialog and AGREE on a Nigeria by consensus.
I am in favour of dialoging with Eboes but not allowing them to rewrite history

Omenka Quotasystem
How come you guys are calm to the Ops rude comments? Because he is against Igbos? No wonder the common hatred for Igbos is what unites Nigerians! You repeatedly tried to make him understand your intent yet his brash reply did not ginger you two to give him a serious response. Yeye dey smell

omenka:
They were suggestions. Bye.

It's all or nothing! Igbos will be in both APC and PDP ticket else a Northerner or Biafra! We cannot continue to stay in a country where we are not wanted!

LegendHer0:
Yoruba got sympathy from the North and Middle belt and NOT from the Igbos. You have never shown any loyalty to the Yorubas all through your history so why should the Yoruba show you any sympathy or loyalty?

Hear it again, the Igbos do NOT show any sympathy to the Yorubas in 1999 and stop lumping the other tribes with the Igbos.

If you were to be a middle belt guy or Core north guy it would have been a different ball game.

God willing, Igbo will contest under PDP and Yoruba contest under APC in 2023. Start strategizing in PDP now and let’s meet on the ballot day!

Yorubas got sympathy in 1999 and the Igbos deserve sympathy too because the reason they've been sideline is because of the 1966 coup which eventually led to the civil war. You know there's a correlation but this has been consistent with your denial of marginalization against the Igbos

LegendHer0:
The Igbo case of 2023 and the Yoruba case of 1999 are different to some extent, the core North and middle belt made Obasanjo president in 1999 and NOT the Igbos.

The presidency was zoned to the South in 1999 which explained why Ekwueme contested against Obasanjo in PDP primaries in 1999.

In 2023, if the presidency is zoned to the south, the Igbos in APC will contest against the Yorubas in APC to pick the presidential aspirant for APC. Yoruba will likely win that.

In 2023 also, if the presidency is zoned to the south, the Igbos in PDP will contest against the Yorubas in PDP to pick the presidential aspirant for PDP. Igbos will likely win that.

The bolded template up here was used in 1999 which showed that the Yoruba clearly worked to become the president and not given anything on a platter of gold. The only difference is that the NORTH supported the Yorubas in 1999 because of MKO remorse and might support them in 2023 if it’s a contest between Igbos and Yorubas.

Note: I did not reply to your claim of civil war genocide coz it does not relate to the issue of presidential elections? Don’t derail the thread!

Pay attention!

So what are you saying? Igbos shouldn't be treated the way Yorubas were treated cos they don't have any annulled election? What about the civil war where 3 million Igbos were killed using unconventional means against Geneva convention? Yeye dey smell

LegendHer0:
They want to use the Yoruba model and you would but wonder what they meant by that word!

In 1993, MKO won the election adjudged to be the freest and fairest election in history and the election was annulled.

SW clamored for justice in 1999 using the earlier injustice meted against them by the Northerners (Babangida) and the North supported OBJ in PDP out of remorse for the wrong of one of their own (Babangida).

The Igbos have a penchant for taking the glory of other people and one would but wonder what they meant by the statement that they supported OBJ in 1999. The PDP primaries of Jos convention 1998 was keenly contested by OBJ, Ekwueme, etc. and those that gave OBJ the needed edge are the middle belt and core North voters. NOT the Igbos.

They would later vote OBJ in the presidental election for two reasons:
PDP has a wider national spread than AD which is seen as a Yoruba party.

They will NEVER support the Yorubas interest, hence its better to vote OBJ then to spite the Yorubas.

Even the Bible said you can’t reap what you did not sow, why should the APC (a terrorist Islamic party) pick an Igbo presidential candidate? The Igbos can contest with the Yorubas in the APC primaries in 2023 like OBJ contested against Igbo in 1999 under PDP.

But No one should say they should be given that position on a platter of gold.

Even a military head of state cannot unilaterally divide the country he will be assassinated. A civilian president has no such power! He will be impeached and nobody will implement it. We need to know basic government

Chisaedhor:
They deserve it this time

And any Igbo President should be sensible enough to just divide this country once and for all.

If I am to be a president, I will just divide the country once I emerge.

Honestly one Nigeria is not working, let's tell our selves the truth.

They only ask if you've been convicted before.
Accept your mistake and move on. Maybe you need to enrol yourself

lilfreezy:
maybe I used the wrong word. The way it works is, they ask if you've ever been charged. Employers don't wanna hear if you didn't do it. They are so discriminatry

He wasn't convicted, cant you read to understand? Mr Employer

lilfreezy:
But seriously, I don't think they need a university degree, I think they shoud invest more on skill acquisition while they are doing their time. Once they are out, they could set up a workshop. I myself won't even employ an excon. Even in America that tag will render you jobless. Skill acquisition is the way to go.

Almajiris are not on Facebook that's why Bubu has few online supporters

Tell her you dont fancy that particular romance. What's the worst that could happen? Is she not your gf?

Cycle never ends. The more things change, the more they remain the same

Kill yasef

genq:
DMerciful
NNEWIsuper
eni4real

I swear, all of you are brainless f@ggots!

Out here looking so stup!d , shamelessly kissing the dirty asss of that ret@rd called pocahontas who keeps typing up long-winded trash all over nairaland in a pathetic attempt to sound "intellectual". Lol.

Y'all should've been flushed down the toilet in a used condom.

Sex-starved, scrotum-less S!mps!

Have you wondered how come the Igbo man have houses in every part of Nigeria? No other tribe does this! The Igbo man is not afraid of taking risk and that has been their source of success.
Risk taking!

Biritiko:
There’s a difference between courage and stupidity.

It's called courage. They have done it over and over again

Biritiko:
Lmao
Not a single southeast state among.
But they want their own country .

Told you guys that almost all Nigerians love corruption. They just dont like other people's corruption. Look how people are defending Tinubu carrying bullion vans on election eve and saying it wasn't money inside but yams. This is really shocking! The timing of election eve is enough for full investigation.
Omenka is a disgrace and a fraud!

You have no point! Not everything you must counter!

bikerboy1:
It's all about choice yo!!

Whatever makes you happy.

Being the best cook doesn't guarantee happy marriage.

Your thought process is intriguing...that's basically it. Wanna see the person behind the personality

pocohantas:
Lol. You want to see how I run my mouth?

I would love to meet you in real life

pocohantas:
Thank God for women and marriage,

I wonder what lots of you would be talking about. I also wonder what you want to write that you haven't written in your hundreds of previous topics.

E go pass how we want responsible and faithful ready-made men that are already taken and/or heavily desired?

-how we want equality without equal responsibilities?

-how we want faithful husbands when all men are polygamous by default?

-how cheating doesn't change the love a man has for his wife as long as he performs his duties, she should focus on her kids. He would definitely come back home...

-Etc

Nothing eye-opening to be written again in 2019. Every grown woman has been hearing these things since she was born. Some of us can recite it like the multiplication table.

You cant compare a young guy that has only one gf to an old man that has over 3 wives. He has seen a lot of women in his lifetime to be bothered about little things but that young man that has only one does not have the liberty of choice without cheating or breaking up. Cut our young guys some slack; I'm surprised you're celebrating polygamy

pocohantas:
This is one good part about marrying/dating ancestors. They allow you do your youthful exuberance in peace . They will just be looking at you like "this pikin sef"

Ever since Regina married this man, naso so tattoo she dey plaster for body. Abi na all her shenanigans for IG?

If na all these U-27 bfs, they will rush to NL.
"My girlfriend just drew a tattoo on her arms, should I breakup with her?"

His teammates would come and start commenting the usual nonsense. I hate small boys ehn. They don't ever focus on the things that matter