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Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 5:02pm On Sep 22, 2016
butterfly88:
yeah you started the computer logic Lol...tryna to use it to support you claim but in the wrong context then I tried to correct it but you persisted...

.now another twisting.....

but here is the point again is the father aware before hand that his soon while cause such troubles? even before given birth to him?

is the father aware that his son will lead millions into the abyss of no return....if yes then the father is to be held responsible

if no then your logic holds no water...cause it simply means that God has no perfect knowledge
grin grin grin

Every parent surely knows that their ward can either be a very good person or a very bad person. They try their best, however, to make their wards toe the right part.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 4:53pm On Sep 22, 2016
butterfly88:
did God know he will dis obey?...is God all knowing?

cause from all you've stated it's as if God is not all-knowing

cause if I intend to create something to my taste and I'm the greatest designer there is how come my design ends up giving me headache?

Omg..cant you see?
The people that turn out to be criminals and rapists and murderers and armed robbers are people's children. People even give birth to children that eventually kill them. The people that gave birth to them never planned for them to become criminals. Therefore there is the risk in giving birth to a child: you might actually give birth to someone who would kill you.

Should people consider the risk and stop giving birth to children?
Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 4:47pm On Sep 22, 2016
butterfly88:
don't try to twist the logic I made with the computer the loopholes existed cause of the imperfection of the scientist but on a nutshell the computer is a wonderful device

so now if the devil is the computer and God the scientist...now thus is another type of computer I purely dangerous computer ...now is the scientist in this case God imperfect for creating a totally bad computer when he Infact intended to create a magnificent device?

so who do you blame for the creation of a bad computer? the inventor or the computer that is what my question is
The computer logic is mine, remember? grin

Now, a scientist gave birth to a son. This son became rebellious and disdained his father. Now this scientist invented a beautiful technology for spreading information about his scientific work but his rebellious son turned it into a device for spreading libellous messages and intensifying his rebellion against his father.

Who is to blame in this case?
Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 4:37pm On Sep 22, 2016
raphieMontella:
did god kill the babies who die in wombs?(naturally)

what about intersex babies?
Did god make them?
No. Humans die today because sin entered our world. Both righteous and sinful people die the natural death. Death came with sin. Death, however, is not the end wink There is hope beyond the grave for the righteous.

GOD does not kill righteous and innocent people. Satan does. Remember Job? Satan destroyed all his children. Remember the babies in bethlehem? Satan destroyed all of them in a bid to derail GOD's plan for man's redemption. Satan then killed Jesus.

Every human being is GOD's creature: blind, halt, deaf, disfigured, mad, black, white, hemaphrodite- all are His creation.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 4:27pm On Sep 22, 2016
butterfly88:
lol..god took a big risk?...I risk not a product of uncertainty and imperfect knowledge

so Satan is next in rank to God? so God is not even all powerful and Satan to can be ranked second in command...

and all these makes sense to you?
grin

GOD created Lucifer to glorify Himself. However, GOD didn't create him a robot. If He did, there wouldn't have been any possibility for Lucifer to disobey GOD. And so GOD creating Lucifer with freewill to choose either obedience or rebellion was a risk. Satan choosing to disobey would endanger creation. And he did. GOD however showed that He is wise by providing for the redemption of creation.

Yes. A careful study of the Bible reveals that Satan is much more powerful than man can conceive. Very powerful.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 4:21pm On Sep 22, 2016
dorox:
God taking risk implies that He is not omniscient. I hope you know.
The perfect definition of risk-taking is creating something that has a possibility to turn against you.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 4:19pm On Sep 22, 2016
butterfly88:
lol...I still find it hard to comprehend you sir...so God first created man hand his creation was flawed by what God didn't create and wasn't "aware" of

taking the computer for instance it is a beautiful work like you acclaimed but had some loop holes quick enable all kinds of cybercrimes...and mind you the computer underwent several modifications...so as to get a so called " perfect computer" which as far as I know doesn't exist

so is this the same process God is using in his creation of a perfect man and a perfect world?
GOD created Lucifer before He created man. I only know as much as the Scriptures reveal, but Satan was cast out from Heaven even before man was created. He then proceeded to deceive man.

Now, the computer can be used to send an appointment letter over the internet. The computer can also be used to send a letter of threat over the internet. Is this the fault of the computer or the fault of the people created technology?
Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 4:07pm On Sep 22, 2016
raphieMontella:
sorry o
.but your parents mated to make you...or you wouldnt exist

this is not logical.
LOL.

I exist today because GOD ordained it to be. It is of His mercies that I'm not consumed.

Babies die in the womb, and so we see that mating doesn't guarantee existence.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 4:04pm On Sep 22, 2016
butterfly88:
is God unaware of what Satan will become before he became what he became?
He was aware of it. You see, GOD actually took a very big risk in creating Lucifer- a very beautiful, mighty and powerful angel next in rank in all ramifications only to Himself. On top of it all, this being was not created a robot but was created with freewill: he could actually choose to serve and remain loyal to His Creator. He could also choose to rebel. GOD knew that Satan choosing to rebel and deceiving the rest of creation into rebellion would cost Him a lot--even His own life. When the first seeds of pride began germinating in Lucifer's heart, GOD knew a very big problem was imminent.

GOD created Satan with freewill. He chose to rebel.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 3:53pm On Sep 22, 2016
butterfly88:
owk..using your above logic,, there is imperfection in God's creation in the same way as there are mistakes in the creation of the computer?
LOL.

There is no mistake in the computer. The computer is a beautiful device which excellently eases the stress of work. And even if such a mistake exists in the computer, that is not the reason why the computer has been turned into a tool for committing crime. There is no inherent "mistake" in the computer. It was suited perfectly for office work. However, enemies of progress have found another use for it.

GOD made creation and declared it perfect. Man's state of perfection depended, however, on his obedience to GOD. The enemy, through the means of guile and subtlety, found a way to lead man into rebellion against GOD.

Good news, however, is that GOD is actively working to restore man to perfection--this time without any chance of sinning again.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 3:25pm On Sep 22, 2016
butterfly88:
Owk assuming I'm a scientist I want to create something, and I knew before hand that my invention will cause a lot of trouble for the future generations,but I did invent it nevertheless

now if such a thing kills say million who should blamed? the invention or the inventor?
The people that created phones and computers never planned for them to be used in scamming people and duping people online, did they? However, should they not have created phones and laptops? The beautiful technology they invented has been employed in committing crime.

GOD made all things perfect to give glory to Himself. But an Enemy brought in rebellion and defaced creation. What GOD created to give glory to Himself as the Creator was now an agent of rebellion against the Creator, contrary to His plan.

GOD created us to be in a loving and happy relationship with himself. And that is how all things will be when GOD finally ends this Great Controversy.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 3:20pm On Sep 22, 2016
butterfly88:
1st if God is all knowing he should have know that Satan will rebel and cause unrepairable damages..then he shouldn't have created Satan in the 1st instant

2nd -you said pride in Satan,who created pride?

3rd- God never created sin,who did? is there another creator other than god?

4th- so who should we blame? Satan or his creator?
It should be noted that Satan once stood in GOD's presence, next in rank only to Jesus Christ. He was created a covering cherub and not "Satan". And when Satan is finally destroyed, GOD will shed tears for that beautiful creature.

GOD is not the origin of pride. GOD is not proud. Satan allowed his beauty and excellence to deceive him into thinking he could usurp GOD's throne and receive worship just like GOD.

Sin is disobedience to GOD and so you cannot say GOD created disobedience to himself.

Satan is to blame. He thought that by the virtue of his exalted position, He could exercise the prerogatives of GOD.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 2:51pm On Sep 22, 2016
ValentineMary:
I thought I was arguing with a smart person.
You may call me whatever you want. However, that does not change the Word of GOD, neither does it change the fate of sinners.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 2:49pm On Sep 22, 2016
butterfly88:
so who marred God's creation if he was the one who designed it as he wanted it,, soo because he loved us so much he gave us provision to sin?

and after words he hard to slay a lamb " himself" to appease himself for the sins he created by himself?....what kind of perfect designer is this, is this how a knowledgeable being should act?

please throw more light

Also if rebellion against GOD is the reason for such plagues why do the innocent and sometimes the child with no sin suffer?
Satan rebelled against GOD in Heaven. He is the origin of sin.

I never said GOD made provision for us to sin. GOD made a provision to save us from sin.

GOD never created sin. Pride in the heart of Satan led him to rebel against GOD. When GOD saw He was unrepentant, He was cast out from Heaven, and his doom was sealed.

Evil and sorrow and disease and death are part of our world today because sin exists. When GOD makes all things new, all these things won't be there.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 2:43pm On Sep 22, 2016
ValentineMary:
I hope u know the 2 bold text contradict?
How are they contradictory?

GOD could have done it the forceful way by stamping out sin when it reared up its ugly head. However, GOD's righteous and self-sacrificing character would have been in question. It could have been argued that He demanded obedience by force.

GOD wants us to obey Him because we've found out that obedience to Him is the best option. Surely, sin is destined for destruction. However, GOD wanted everybody to see that their safety is guaranteed only by their willful obedience to Him. The terrible things we see in the world today are effects of disobedience to GOD.

To save man from sin and the destruction waiting for it, He gave His only begotten Son. That is love.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 2:36pm On Sep 22, 2016
ValentineMary:
Like seriouslyhuh u gave zero evidence for ur claim and u still feel it is proper to push it on peoplehuh did I say God does not existhuh I only said give me evidence. Which u failed to give and u want me to believe youhuh Are u sure u are not blueagent?


You speak just like blueagent @ bolded. How can u say thathuh it shows u are inconsiderate and selfish. What of the 2 month old baby that died of AIDS in Ugandahuh or the 3 year old killed by the tsunamihuh what sin did they commithuh Religious fanatics like you are very insensitive and wicked. How can any sane human take u serious?

Now this is laughable as well as senseless. It is so senseless that it does not deserve a reply.
Bro, I said whether you like it or not, GOD created you. It's just like asking your mother for an evidence that she gave birth to you.

How am I inconsiderate and selfish? What about me is inconsiderate or selfish?
Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 2:29pm On Sep 22, 2016
butterfly88:
I don't get you...is this God imperfect,and not all-knowing as we proclaim?
GOD is perfect and all-knowing. Even before He created the world, He made a provision should sin enter it. That provision is Jesus Christ. The Bible calls Him the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Rev. 13:8.

GOD made a provision for man should he sin. That is how much He loves man.

GOD could have stamped out sin when it came up but the only reason why GOD allowed sin to play out its effects fully is to vindicate His righteous character. By the time it would be all over, it would have been clear to the whole universe that rebellion against GOD=disaster and disease and death.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 2:16pm On Sep 22, 2016
ValentineMary:
Jealously is a personal feeling and only you can know if u feel that way or not. But when u say a God made me, you are no longer keeping it personal rather u are forcing a belief on me. And all I ask is proof.

Everythinghuh like hurricane, tusnami, HIV/AIDS, solar flares, etc. Waw he is so benevolent.
Bro, whether you believe it or not, you were created by GOD. You will still give account of how you lived your life here on earth to Him.

You neither know who GOD is nor do you know what He had in mind for man. Disasters and diseases were never part of His creation. Sin entered and brought with it disease and disaster and death. GOD's perfect creation was marred.

Good news, however, is that things will not always be this way. GOD will destroy evil and evildoers, and then restore creation to its original state.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jw.org Hacked By A Nigerian "Apostate"? Watchtower Sends Warning 2 Nigerian Jw's by DoctorAlien(m): 12:57pm On Sep 22, 2016
LOL

Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 12:29pm On Sep 22, 2016
johnydon22:
I have no problem at all i am quite happy about your openess in clarifying your belief.

Jealousy = emotion [a neurological projection of the human brain]

Since to you God is established just like emotion it means.

God = emotion


Therefore Jealousy and God are of same essence and not an entity...

You have done marvelously well - Have fun worshipping God [your emotion]
Most faulty logic. Because Quantum theory is established just like double circulation in humans, does it mean Quantum theory = double circulation?

Your syllogism is not only faulty, but also laughable.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 12:01pm On Sep 22, 2016
Weah96:
Jealousy is a human emotion. And I'm pretty sure that it doesn't reside in your heart but your brain. You only feel your heart because it beats FASTER when you're jealous.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1147525/The-green-eyed-monster-lives-brain-Scientists-discover-jealousy-lobe.html
If I'm jealous of my friends academic success, my heart does not beat faster.

And when I say heart, I don't mean the organ beating in my chest. Moreover, you cannot find jealousy in my brain.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 11:44am On Sep 22, 2016
johnydon22:
You got it very correctly - God exists just like Jealousy, Jealousy is an emotion not a being, not an entity.

Therefore just like "Jealousy" "God" is also not a thing, not a being nor entity but an emotion, your emotional projection..

You solidified your words here

Just like your "Jealousy" is your emotion so is also your "God"

Thank you my brother, you've done good. . . The best part is that you said it yourself not me.
I'm happy you accepted that GOD exists. Now I tell you that GOD lives in my heart. He is an entity. He talks to me and He directs me. I hear Him speak.

Can an emotion speak? Can an emotion direct? Can an emotion caution?
Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 11:28am On Sep 22, 2016
ValentineMary:
[i] Wait a sec, u said a creator exist and I asked what's ur evidence. And u provided none but u just went ahead to say I should disprove what u have not proved. U brought this claim, and u should prove it for anyone to take u serious. Imaging this scenario

I stand before a science conference and say "I have discovered that Bleep gene is responsible for GTP synthesis" and an older scientist ask me to prove it and show evidence. Instead of me to prove it, I went ahead to tell the scientist to disprove it.

That's just how u sound
Bro look at it this way: I tell you I have jealousy in my heart. Can you disprove it? Or can you ask me for a proof that I have jealousy in my heart?

Yet, look sincerely all around you: everything testifies to the existence and benevolence of GOD.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 11:26am On Sep 22, 2016
johnydon22:
Just like you can disprove he doesn't have a golden pig he talks to right now in his room.

Can you?

Why is it that you all don't really check to see how ridiculous your assertions sounds before posting them.
Wrong premise. Who now checks his write-ups before posting?
Christianity Etc › Re: A Divine Force Or Creator - Mere Thinking Or Emblem Of Evidence by DoctorAlien(m): 11:24am On Sep 22, 2016
johnydon22:
Our aim should be to establish objective truths not base our conviction over what "makes us feel good or loved"

The truth should not matter whether it makes you feel good or not - what matters is that it is the truth.

It is sinister for you to propose a mode of deduction based on your emotions and need to be loved.

objective truth is above that platform
Bro, it's been established that GOD exists. How? The same way it's been established that "jealousy" exists.

LOL. GOD loves me so much He gave His only begotten Son to redeem me. What can separate me from His love? NOTHING!
Christianity Etc › Re: Plagiarism In The Bible? by DoctorAlien(m): 8:41pm On Sep 21, 2016
raphieMontella:
Doctoralien,,
how do you see the southern hemisphere inhabitants from above the north pole?
That verse itself is in accordance with psalm 33:14..
The flat earth verses which you asked for...here
www.nairaland.com/3274173/where-god-before-he-created/5#48431999
grin This question exposes your poor knowledge of the Bible and of GOD.

Read Psa. 139:1-12. GOD is not a man, okay?

For us men, it's impossible to see even through a brick wall, but not so with GOD. grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Plagiarism In The Bible? by DoctorAlien(m): 7:25pm On Sep 21, 2016
wolesmile:
[s][/s]


Have you clarified the issues on ground? Why get yourself more confused with questions you can't answer?
What issues are on ground? grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Plagiarism In The Bible? by DoctorAlien(m): 7:15pm On Sep 21, 2016
wolesmile:
[s]I cannot work an argument into the consistency of a mental gag. I wonder why you are still trying illogically to prove that two and two do not make four. Can't your feeble mind differentiate between a horse chestnut and a chestnut horse?[/s]
Bro, do you have any more questions about the Bible?

Christianity Etc › Re: Plagiarism In The Bible? by DoctorAlien(m): 7:10pm On Sep 21, 2016
felixomor:
Yeah right, I am actually about to show u r the dumb one insulting his teacher.



There is one conclusion I can certainly make almost 100% that u r not my match there.
I wrote mathematics in waec from SS2 with my ss3 seniors and I had a distinction.
Dont dare go there.



I actually loved this part where u really exposed urself.

That paper u just cut is a "cylinder"
No matter how flat that paper is. Once u can touch it, its no longer a circle.
Sorry. grin

Quote me anywhere.

Circles, squares, polygons etc are shapes that can only be represented in drawings and images. They are imaginary shapes.




So u can see u didnt actually make sense? grin

Just do some more study before coming up with threads like these. Sorry

Christianity Etc › Re: Plagiarism In The Bible? by DoctorAlien(m): 6:51pm On Sep 21, 2016
GOD created the earth. He knows the shape of the earth.
Christianity Etc › Re: Plagiarism In The Bible? by DoctorAlien(m): 6:49pm On Sep 21, 2016
The Bible knows fully well that the earth is a sphere.

The Bible says GOD sits on the circle of the earth. If you observe a sphere from its top, the shape you see is a circle.

Now check out the view of the earth from the North pole below. What shape do you see?

Christianity Etc › Re: Plagiarism In The Bible? by DoctorAlien(m): 6:30pm On Sep 21, 2016
wolesmile:
Are u for real? How could you be so dumb? Or are u so poor in mathematics? Don't you know the difference between a circle and a sphere? Take a piece of paper, flat paper I mean. Cut it into a perfect round shape. That's a circle. It is flat. Take a ball. That's a sphere. Compare them. Are they the same? Now take a ball and an egg. The ball is spherical. The egg is a sphere called geoid. That is to tell u the earth is not even a perfect square. Am I making sense to u? Or are u still "Dogmatically" lost?
So...?

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