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Amaga:
I wanted to have a theological discussion with you about the Catholic church but won't because of the following reasons:
1. You said ALL her teachings are false. This is untrue and tells me you have a closed mind.
2. You said the Catholic church is leading millions to hell. This means you have made yourself a judge and Christ warned us not to judge. By the way, the Catholic Church has about a billion plus.

Ioannes:
...and of course you're relaying faithfully the second error of protestantism which is sola scriptura, scripture alone.

There are copious writtings that show that infant baptism was practised amongst the early Christians. Is there anywhere in the bible that specifically forbids baptism by sprinkling or infant baptism?

If there is please show us.

tete7000:
If you are not a member of the Lutheran church and you believe this much in Martin Luther, I should ask you why? Your not being in that church will be a height of hypocrisy on your part. Your man that exposed catholic hypocrisy formed the Lutheran Church.

tete7000:
There is nothing to be astonished about. I know well about the church and even teach the faith to others. It is ignorants like you that should come and learn.

Ioannes:
I know you're just faithfully relaying what you've been told by your pastors in bible school or something.

You may not know this, but protestantism is actually a form of heresy. Google is there. Use it. Better still, read the writings of the early Church Fathers.

The Catholic Church is a pagan organization according to you?

Then I wonder what you're doing quoting a book compiled by a pagan organization?

The just may live by faith, but nowhere does it state in the bible that justification or salvation is by faith ALONE.

I challenge you to bring out that verse. Take your time.

tete7000:
Oga when I told you you are confused, you probably think I don't know what I was saying. You have been baptised, uhmm! What was that you posted then initially at the beginning of this post? You know the bible, and you want to teach me yet you don't know the scriptural stand on baptism. All-knowing you still come here to ask if baptism is necessary in christianity. Following you will be like following a blind man. Hope you know what Jesus say about following a blind? You have nothing to teach me about catholic church. You know nothing as far as I deduce from your post.

Amaga:
Why Catholic Church matter dey pain you like this?

Ioannes:
There's only one type of baptism.

Whether you perform the baptism by immersion or by sprinkling, it's still the same. Whether it's infant baptism or adult baptism, it's still the same baptism with the same result.

tete7000:
And when you already have the bible, why bother at all to attend the class? When you already have the bible and you know the truth why seek any opinion here at all? Why do you sound like anyone wants to force you take the church's baptism? You really sound confused. If you know the truth as you claim, just follow it and stop confusing yourself and others more. Stop seeking to condemn what the church teaches in a way of seeking opinion. No one I believe forced you to go to class, if the teaching unsettles you, stay away and do as you wish.

Ioannes:
Baptism by immersion and sprinkling and by blood are the ones recognized. This has always been the position of the Church until Martin Luther, the renegade Ex-Catholic priest came with his heretical doctrine of salvation by faith alone, sola fidei, which is unscriptural.

I'd rather believe an institution which has weathered the storm for 2000 years than believe one that just sprang up some few years ago. Wouldn't you?

tete7000:
If you have any issue with catholic doctrine and your claim of attending baptism (which I believe is catechism class anyway) class is true, discuss with your catechist. If he you are not satisfied with his explanation, approach a priest. If at the end of the day you still have a differing opinion from theirs, stay away from the sacrament. The last time I checked it is not being imposed on anyone. I teach catechism myself and know what the rules are. You are free to approach churches who will immerse you. It is a free world.

plaetton:
And was that the conclusion you reached after reading my post ?

OlamideGirl:
That happened before Jesus died

Jesus death, burial and resurrection nullifies all dose things
All we need to do now is to believe

Rockyrascal:
What of the catholic way of baptism,is it OK?

Lennycool:
You say you are a scientist but you continue to show your ignorance. In science nothing is ever 100% certain, and I mean nothing. You might ask will the sun rise tomorrow and scientists will only give you a 99.9% chance of it rising. Because anything can happen. A black hole might just pop out of nowhere and consume the sun. So there's always a chance of the impossible happening. So Hermann Joseph is correct and you are simply ignorant. Go and sleep, maybe sleep depravation is what is causing this jargon you keep presenting.

When we say a thing is a fact, then, we only mean that its probability is an extremely high one: so high that we are not bothered by doubt about it and are ready to act accordingly. Now in this use of the term fact, the only proper one, evolution is a fact.

ValentineMary:
When I say God, I mean all the 5,000 Gods. So when I say I don't believe in God, I mean all 5,000.

Is it not funny how u quickly ruled out Allah forgetting that he and ur God have the same origin. From the Torah which in extension was copied from Mespotamia text (let's not go there).

But if u want instances of xtian discriminating act against irreligious, Nigeria is a perfect place to test it. Go into a bus and announce ur atheism, tell ur relatives of ur atheism, tell ur lecturers/boss of ur atheism, or tell ur parents u are getting married to an atheist, then u would understand.

felixomor:
Thank God u can see ur explanation and that ur processes became longer and longer and complicated.
And. Thats because
.....there is no evidence to prove that DnA evolved.

Evolution is a theory, not fact.
We scientists know that.
It even takes more faith to believe in evolution than to believe in creation.

ValentineMary:
Go to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran and say u are atheist. Then u would know why I argue about an imaginary God always.

felixomor:
Who hear am go think say na aethist countries be the richest countries for this world.

*Yinmu*

Lennycool:
I tire for your puerile understanding sef. Nigeria is being choked by the chains of religion, that is why we discuss religion all day.

Lennycool:
Guy you no dey rest. Haven't I already given you the case about the woman that was shot. What more do you want.

ValentineMary:
In the 11th century millions of Jews were killed by xtians and others were forced to accept Jesus.

During the inqusition, millions were killed for not beliving bible verses.

In America when Europeans arrived, lots of people were forced to christianity and many were killed.

Do u still want more

Lennycool:
So this is how theist argue, I answer you and you come back with an even stupider question.
The question started when Valentinemary told you that people kill for an imaginary God and then you ignorantly asked when it had happened before I then told you about the dark ages and even though it was besides the point you said I should bring up recent cases, I then presented a case where a woman shot another woman because she didn't believe in God, this case was only a couple of days old and yet you know ask if she was christian, does that eliminate the fact that she just killed a human being because of an imaginary God? Abeg I tire.

Lennycool:
There's a recent case in Arizona where a woman was shot for not believing in God
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/12/arizona-woman-shoots-and-kills-atheist-for-not-believing-in-god/

felixomor:
I guess u havent heard the popular statement:

"The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence"

Please google it and see the type of fallacy u r commiting right now.