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Scholar8200:
They have a soul and that soul will be resurrected to face the judgement in vs 12-15.

In Revelation 20, the wicked will be resurrected after the millenium, burnt and devoured. Are you saying only their mortal bodies were resurrected and devoured while their souls were left elsewhere? Did the Bible say so?

Are you saying they will resurrect again after the devouring? A 2nd resurrection for the wicked? Did the Bible say so?

Scholar8200:
You spoke of resurrection and that verse was to show you what happened to the bodies of the saints, that's why i quoted that place.

Show me a Bible verse that says people will be transferred from Abraham's bosom to another place!

Scholar8200:
Abyss means bottomless. http://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/9-1.htm

GOOD. Now what is your point?

Scholar8200:
What is the abyss? The pit is one of the synonyms for Sheol!
http://biblehub.com/strongs/hebrew/7585.htm abyss means bottomless, an adjective describing the pit!

Abyss means bottomless pit! Google it.

Scholar8200:
Abraham's bosom is not heaven.

But according to you, Jesus was describing what happens at death, right?

Scholar8200:
Matthew 27:52 read and learn

That passage does not say people will be transferred from Abraham's bosom to another place!

Stop running around and show us where the Bible said that people will be transferred from Abraham's bosom to another place!

Scholar8200:
I meant the part in Revelations 20 where fire will destroy those that try to fight against the camp of the saints, after which follows the Judgement found in Verse 11-15

If the fire burns them to ashes, will their ashes be judged or what?

Scholar8200:
Those who were martyred in Revelations 6 were not found in Abraham's bosom but in Heaven. The Innumerable company of those redeemed in Revelations 7 were found at the Throne, not Abraham's bosom. Now Bible speaks of the resurrection of saints after Christ resurrected, did they just resurrect and went back to the grave? NO!

What is he saying? The resurrection will be at the last day according to the Bible.

Show us the place where the Bible says the saints will be transferred from Abraham's bosom to another place!

Scholar8200:
Those who were martyred in Revelations 6 were not found in Abraham's bosom but in Heaven. The Innumerable company of those redeemed in Revelations 7 were found at the Throne, not Abraham's bosom. Now Bible speaks of the resurrection of saints after Christ resurrected, did they just resurrect and went back to the grave? NO!

What is he saying? The resurrection will be at the last day according to the Bible.

Show us the place where the Bible says the saints will be transferred from Abraham's bosom to another place!

Scholar8200:
That discourse preceded His death and resurrection!

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Was Jesus talking about the fate of the dead in the story of Lazarus or not?

Scholar8200:
That story preceded the resurrection of Christ. In Revelations we read of people in Heaven where God's Throne is and where the River of Life etc is.

You did not answer my question.

What does Abraham's bosom signify?

Also, does the Bible indicate that the righteous will be transferred from Abraham's bosom to a "final destination"?

Scholar8200:
Prove that this is relevant to the subject matter of final judgement. And what I rather see here is the event in Revelation 20 then note that there, after the raining, the devil is still cast into the Lake of Fire!!!

Is Rev. 20 not the final judgment? Is it the first judgment? If it is not the final judgment, which one is?

Scholar8200:
Before the resurrection of Christ.

Before the resurrection of Christ, Abraham's bosom was the destination of the righteous? Who said so?

So, on whose bosom is Abraham? Is he hanging in the air?

Scholar8200:
Why then did the rich man bid Abraham send Lazarus to warn his brothers? ANd even said if that happens his brothers will REPENT!!!
Luke 16:30
And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

So will the righteous and the wicked be communicating in Heaven?

Scholar8200:
[s]Ezekiel 28:2
2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord God;[/s]

While the body of the message may have a dual application, error starts when we choose to ignore one of the focus.

I never quoted Ezekiel 28:2. I only quoted Ezekiel 28:13-18

What is he saying?

Stop beating around the bush: who is being referred to in Ezekiel 28:13-18 if not Satan?

Jozzy4:
another lie
Sheol never means bottomless pit.
its translated pit, grave. never Bottomless pit

I never see this kind lie.

Scholar8200:
Not just one passage forms the basis of a teaching, but the relevant passages from the Scriptures, on the topic.

Please, shows us a Bible passage that says the wicked will be alive forever burning.

Scholar8200:
The story of Lazarus shows where Christ had in mind! Besides, since Jesus use of parables was to reveal things hid from the foundation of the world(has NOTHING to do with the pharisees and the unfortunate jews), I dont see what you are still trying to prove.

If the story of Lazarus was talking about the righteous and the wicked and their fate at death, and Lazarus is supposedly the righteous man, while the rich man is the wicked:

What in the story shows that Lazarus was righteous? Was he righteous by merely sitting at the rich man's gate everyday?

Scholar8200:
Lazarus story clears your doubts.

If the story of Lazarus was talking about the fate of man at death, is Abraham's bosom the destination of the righteous?

Scholar8200:
But your folks claim the fire is figurative?! Besides, is the Lake of Fire suddenly become the Rain of Fire? Can you establish this newfangled claim of yours with a Bible verse relevant to the subject matter?

"Upon the wicked He shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest..." Psalm 11:6

Scholar8200:
Yes, that is why we talk of examining the whole Scripture not just fleeing with a portion that appears to support an error even if our private interpretation contradicts other passages on the same topic!

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Scholar8200:
Abraham's bosom is not the final abode of the righteous, that is what Reveations 19,21,22 reveals! So this point is irrelevant.

You did not answer the question I asked you!

Meanwhile, What then does Abraham's bosom signify in Jesus' parable?

Was Lazarus transferred from Abraham's bosom to a "final destination" in the story?

Scholar8200:
ANd who said Abraham's bosom was Heaven?


Abraham's bosom is NOT Heaven!

But according to you, Jesus was describing the fate of man at death, right?

Jozzy4:
u want to nail him

It's actually very funny that somebody will go to any length to defend the lie he has chosen believe, even when it has been proven to him that what he believes is a lie.

malvisguy212:
I see were you're confused. Eternal life is something those who believe in Jesus Christ
shall have in the future!

Please define "immortality" and define "eternal life".

malvisguy212:
I see were you're confused. Eternal life is something those who believe in Jesus Christ
shall have in the future!

The Bible says that people who believe in Jesus Christ have eternal life already, not in the future. See Jn. 3:36

Why are you lying?

malvisguy212:
I just made myself clear here.

If somebody is immortal, does he not have eternal life?

malvisguy212:
No need for this argument. The truth is in the bible.

The truth has always been in the Bible, but you decided to believe a lie.

Now, answer this question sincerely with your head: If man (or supposedly a part of man) is immortal (which means, he cannot die), is there any need for Jesus to give us another eternal life?

malvisguy212:
did he say man soul is not immortal ? But the bible imply that.

Matthew 25:46
46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

See Malachi 4:1,3. The wicked will be burnt to ashes. Will their ashes be alive suffering forever?

malvisguy212:
You get eternal Life through jesus christ, but immortality is something you are born with. Man was created in the image of God, this mean their is a part which survive death.

The book of revelation is very clear about this, underneath the human body there exist something which survive death.

Please show us the place in Revelation that talks about "something underneath the human body that survives death".

malvisguy212:
You get eternal Life through jesus christ, but immortality is something you are born with. Man was created in the image of God, this mean their is a part which survive death.

The book of revelation is very clear about this, underneath the human body there exist something which survive death.

Really? When the Bible makes it clear in 1 Tim. 6:16 that GOD is the only one that has immortality?

malvisguy212:
do they have eternal life as promise by jesus to those who believe in Him ?

Jesus promised eternal life to those who believe in Him.

But did Jesus say that anything about man is immortal?