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joey150:
so its like a temporal state holy souls stay for a while for proper cleansing

If a soul is holy, does it need to be cleansed again?

Also, if you say the holy soul will be cleansed again by some other means, are you trying to say that the blood of Jesus Christ is not sufficient for cleansing a soul from sin?

If purgatory exists, who goes there?

When do they go there?

If you say it is a place where people with "lesser" sins are purified for Heaven, what scale is used in measuring the gravity of sins?

If some persons are given a chance to purify themselves after living a life of sin on earth while others do not get the chance to do so, is there equity in it?

Explain purgatory in relation to Ezek. 18:20 "The soul that sinneth, it shall die..."

Syncan:
The false goddess was calledqueen of Heaven, but Mary is the true Queen of Heaven, for her son Jesus is the King of Kings who reigns in heaven. The fact that it was used for a goddess did not make it unsuitable for Mary.

1. Show me where the Bible says that Heaven, where GOD dwells, has a queen.

2. Show me where it is stated in the Bible that Mary is ruling in Heaven as a queen.

3. When Jesus was introduced in Matt. 3:17; 17:5, was He introduced as the son of Mary or as the son of GOD?

4. Show me a single place in the Bible where Jesus referred to Mary as His mother.

5. Show me where the Bible explicitly encourages us to venerate Mary.

6. "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images" Isa. 42:8.
Explain this verse in relation to your choice of giving GOD's glory to Mary.

Ubenedictus:
so u didnt hear that the laws if sabbath are obsolattte? Where doess the bible say only d bible should b taught?

If the Bible is not to be taught in the church of GOD, what is to be taught? The commandments of men? The same reason Jesus rebuked the Pharisees?

"All scripture is given by the inspiration of GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" 2 Tim 3:16.

The commandments and catechisms of men are not profitable for doctrine, neither are they profitable for instruction in righteousness.

"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of GOD." Matt. 4:4
It did not say "out of the mouth of the pope" or "out of the mouth of man."

Read your Bible and practise only your Bible, for your own good!

Ubenedictus:
so u didnt hear that the laws if sabbath are obsolattte? Where doess the bible say only d bible should b taught?

Who said that the Sabbath of GOD has been abolished?

Show me a single place in the Bible that explicitly says the Holy Sabbath of GOD has been abolished.

btoks:
A lot of assumptions here; tell us why we must read the bible.
How do you know the books of the bible are inspired scripture?

Who wrote the book of Matthew and Acts?

What gives you the assurance that your assumptions are correct?

Even if you refuse to believe that the Bible is GOD's inspired word, you will surely believe history's attestation to the correctness and truthfulness of the Bible.

The prophecies in the Bible about kingdoms and cities like Tyre, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome have come to pass EXACTLY as it was fortold.

The first and 2nd destruction of Jerusalem happened as they were foretold in the Bible.

The massacre of millions of GOD's people by the catholic church in the dark ages was foretold by the Bible. The deposition of the pope in 1798 by Napoleon and his restoration to power was exactly foretold by the Bible.

The mark of the antichrist will soon be in full effect.

Plenty of reasons to trust the Bible as GOD's word.

btoks:
A lot of assumptions here; tell us why we must read the bible.
How do you know the books of the bible are inspired scripture?

Who wrote the book of Matthew and Acts?

What gives you the assurance that your assumptions are correct?

The Gospel according to Matthew was written by Matthew(a.k.a Levi), the tax collector whom Jesus called to be His disciple. The book of the Acts of the Apostles was written by Luke, who accompanied Paul on most of his missionary journeys.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" 2 Tim 3:16

You should read the Bible because it's GOD's word. "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of GOD." Matt. 4:4

Moreover, search and see that all the Bible foretold would happen at their due time has happened, is happening and will happen as it is recorded in the Bible.

sydneyboss:
When the lecturer's time is up, and the guy sitting next to you says 'continue sir, we are free for the next period '

*Falls from chewing gum tree laughing*

It's about time you started reading your Bible for yourself and begged GOD for insight into His word.

When Jesus comes back, believe me: many will be disappointed. They think they will be granted access into Heaven because their church has large membership.

"...Wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth into destruction, and many there be which go in thereat" Matt 7:13

The only church GOD recognises is the church that lives strictly by the Bible, and not the commandments of men.

Surely, ceremonies and pompous rites may appear fascinating, but you are to look deeper and see if your church is obeying GOD or whether she is worshipping a mere mortal, called "the holy father".

Learn a lesson from the early Berean Christians: "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so" Act 17:11

Read the Bible and practise only the Bible, trusting in GOD wholeheartedly!

laribari:
3. Occult do prayer of ENCHANTMENT (Repitation of words over and over again)

"But when ye pray, do not use vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking."Matt. 6:7

Catholics chant vain and lifeless repetitions to dead people, clearly neglecting the directions Jesus gave for prayer.

The Catholic church claims descent from the early apostolic church, but you can hardly recognise in them a group worthy to be called GOD's church when you compare their doctrines with the Bible.

"Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and the profane, neither have they shewed difference between the clean and the unclean...and I am profaned among them"Ezek 22:26

None of the teachings of the Catholic church today have their bases in the Bible. From the (supposed)celibacy of their priests to the worshipping of dead people.

"Come out of her..."!

Ubenedictus:
wor- ship 1. 2. [wur-ship] noun reverent honor and homage paid to God or
a sacred personage, or to any object
regarded as sacred. formal or ceremonious rendering of such
honor and homage: They attended worship this morning

If the above definition is correct then the answer is yes catholics show honor towrd mary, their priests and even parents and conssssider them sacred personage.

Yes, wwe worship mary, i also worsship my mum and my priesst

If you decide to continue worshipping a dead person, expressly ignoring GOD's 2nd commandment, then go on.

Ubenedictus:
wwhere is the church paul wwas talking about? Is it ur neww generation such? Show me any church that can claim an unbroken line from early christianity? It is not enuf to sayy it isnt the catholic church, which church is it?

1. That Church surely keeps the Sabbath of GOD.

2. That Church does not promote idol-worshipping.

3. That Church does not encourage people to pray to dead people.

4. That Church teaches the Bible and the Bible alone.

Papist:
Most protestants think praying is the same thing as worship. They are wrong. In Catholicism worship refers only to liturgical and paraliturgical acts, that is Holy Mass, Eucharistic Adoration, the Liturgy of the Hours, Benediction etc. Praying before a statue or icon of the Virgin Mary, St Joseph or any other saint is not worship. It is intercessory prayer. Below are pictures of what constitutes Catholic worship.

You fill your worship places with all forms of idols and graven images, expressly ignoring GOD's 2nd commandment. You practice all forms of polluted ordinances that have their origin in paganism.

The catholic church distorted the word of GOD so much, leading millions of souls to perdition. You hide the Word of GOD from people and teach them worthless commandments of men.

You cause people to commit spiritual fornication. You can hardly see a Catholic praying to GOD. They are either praying to one dead person or the other.

Read your Bible! Flee idolatry!

Papist:
Most protestants think praying is the same thing as worship. They are wrong. In Catholicism worship refers only to liturgical and paraliturgical acts, that is Holy Mass, Eucharistic Adoration, the Liturgy of the Hours, Benediction etc. Praying before a statue or icon of the Virgin Mary, St Joseph or any other saint is not worship. It is intercessory prayer. Below are pictures of what constitutes Catholic worship.

If praying is not worship, what is it? Do you realise that who you pray to is who you serve? You choose Mary(who is not even in Heaven) as your intercessor, rejecting Christ who is at the right hand of GOD.

We have only one intercessor: Jesus Christ. (1Jn 2:1-2).

Tell me, who authorised you to pray to Mary? Are you blind that you can't see that praying to anything that is not GOD is idolatry? Is Mary GOD?

Did Paul, Peter, James, John, or any of the disciples pray to Mary? You pray to Mary for salvation: is Mary's name given for the salvation of men?

Papist:
Most protestants think praying is the same thing as worship. They are wrong. In Catholicism worship refers only to liturgical and paraliturgical acts, that is Holy Mass, Eucharistic Adoration, the Liturgy of the Hours, Benediction etc. Praying before a statue or icon of the Virgin Mary, St Joseph or any other saint is not worship. It is intercessory prayer. Below are pictures of what constitutes Catholic worship.

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in Heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them... " Exod. 20:4-5

"Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." Matt. 15:7-9

Read your Bible.

Papist:
You just displayed how totally ignorant you are of not only Catholic but Christian doctrine. When John Paul 2 or any Catholic says the Virgin Mary has saved him, he means by her intercessory prayers to her Son. Read up on what the Communion of Saints means and perhaps you would understand better. Anyway I would like to hear you condemn St Paul for saying the following:

To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some.

So Mary is the channel through which prayers are sent to Christ? Show me any Bible verse that says so.

Meanwhile, who even told you Mary is in Heaven? Can you show me any Biblical text that says Mary is in Heaven interceding for people?

You had better start reading your Bible and stop practicing idolatry.
You bow down to graven images, expressly breaking GOD's 2nd commandment.

Run for your life!

cynosure489:
There you go again.. If this is exam, you have failed already.

Paul was clearly talking about a church. Where is that church today? If the catholic church doesnt hold the truth, then which church does? There are too many churches.

Stop beating around. Just tell me. I want to lnow

What truth is the catholic church holding up today? Bowing down to graven images and praying to dead people? Perpetuating lies and blindfolding people from seeing GOD? Desecrating the sabbath of GOD and causing people to do same? Refusing to tell the people the undiluted truth of GOD's word?

The catholic church is the apostate church, the Babylon being talked about in Revelations.

"Come out of her, my people..." Rev. 18:4

cynosure489:
1 Timothy 3:15
But, if I am delayed, you should know the manner in which it is necessary to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the Church of the living God, the pillar and the foundation of truth.

Where is this church today? Is it your church that you are ashamed of? Simple question -- I am ashamed of you. Even if not for my sake, at least others are reading, show them this church timothy was talking about.

People are ashamed of thier faith..Shame!

The church Paul is talking about is NOT Roman Catholic Church!

The Roman Catholic Church is anything but the church of GOD. A church whose doctrines and dogmas are in stark contrast to the pure Word of GOD, teaching as doctrines the commanments of men. How can you say that is church of GOD?

The bolded part above: what truth is the catholic church holding up today?

cynosure489:
Was it talking about the false goddess that's queen of your own heaven?

I never mentioned Queen of Heaven. We know that the Heaven where GOD lives does not have a queen. The Queen of Heaven is a pagan goddess, anyway.

Do you know who Rev. 12 was talking about?

cynosure489:
lol..i cant even answer you.. All the Words in revelations have come to pass and we experienced them?

The fight between angel micheal and the devil..lol -- and the many revelations of the apocalypse.

The circus is recruiting abeg.

Answer the questions if Rev. 12 was talking about Mary.

cynosure489:
If the false goddess is the queen of your heaven, then you are right to have issues with catholics giving mary that title -- a title catholics deduce from Rev 12.

1 And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon was under her feet, and on her head was a crown of twelve stars.
2 And being with child, she cried out while giving birth, and she was suffering in order to give birth.

5 And she brought forth a male child, who was soon to rule all the nations with an iron rod. And her son was taken up to God and to his throne.

LOL. You quoted only the verse you think supports your lie. Why didn't you quote the whole of Rev. 12?

Questions - If Rev. 12 is talking about Mary:

Did Mary have the sun as her cloth and the moon under her feet?

Was Mary fed in the wilderness for 1260 days?

Did any dragon persecute Mary?

Who are the remnants of Mary who the dragon went to persecute?

tolugar:
No they Honour Mary.

They always ask for Her intercession in prayers.

Inspired by the event in Cana where via Her intercession water was turned into wine. John 2:1-11.

Ever since she is regarded by faithful Catholics as a Mother of Grace, Queen of Heaven, ...

I weep at the level of corruption and pollution Christianity is wallowing in. The beautiful religion which Christ committed to His disciples in its most innocent and purest form has been tainted and marred beyond recognition by Satan.

First of all, honor does not belong to Mary: it belongs to GOD alone.(Rev. 4:11)

Jesus never asked us to pray by any name other than His, neither did He ask us to beg others to intercede for us. What! Do you realise that you reject Christ as your intercessor with GOD when you choose Mary?(1Jn 2:1)

By the way, Mary was not the reason why Jesus turned water into wine at Cana. To suggest that Mary dictated to Christ when to work miracles is a terrible fallacy.

ichuka:
Is that what the verse I quoted says?
Subjectivity won't get you beyond your roof.
Am done trying to straighten things with you.
Happy workers day anyway.

LOL. What are you trying to straighten out to me? Substituting your own preconceived ideas for what the Bible clearly teaches? Is that straightening out matters?

Well, If standing by the Bible and the Bible alone is what you call Subjectivity, then yeah: I'm about as Subjective as you can think.

Happy workers' day, friend.

ichuka:
Please don't tell me they were blameless/righteous.its only Gods mercy on them that can speak on there life.

If you say the men in the following verses were not righteous, then you are saying that the Bible is lying: Job 1:8; Matt. 23:25; Gen 6:9; Matt. 1:19.

ichuka:
Lol
The verse you quoted here simply meant God created Adam.he was never begotten.christ was the only begotten Son of God that's why he was Holy even in Mary's womb.The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.Luke1:35
Google it(holy)

If GOD said in Gen.1:31 that all He made was "very good", how is it that you say Adam was not holy at creation? Or does GOD make things that are not holy?

ichuka:
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made SINNERs, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.Romans5:19
Job,Enoch and Abel are all sinners.because they were all in Adams lions when he sinned against God.
Though God might have mercy on who so ever He choose to have mercy on.
Please don't tell me they were blameless/righteous.its only Gods mercy on them that can speak on there life.

Are you trying to imply that Jesus was a sinner? Because He is a descendant of Adam too. He is the Son of man.

Your error comes from the false doctrine of original sin: the belief that everybody is a sinner by the virtue of being born. But that is a lie. No place is it stated in the Bible that man is a sinner because he was born.

Search the Scriptures for proper guidance.

ichuka:
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made SINNERs, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.Romans5:19
Job,Enoch and Abel are all sinners.because they were all in Adams lions when he sinned against God.
Though God might have mercy on who so ever He choose to have mercy on.
Please don't tell me they were blameless/righteous.its only Gods mercy on them that can speak on there life.

But the Bible says that Job was perfect. (Job 1:1). I was not the one that said it. The Bible also said that Abel was righteous.

Or was the Bible lying?

ichuka:
Lol
The verse you quoted here simply meant God created Adam.he was never begotten.christ was the only begotten Son of God that's why he was Holy even in Mary's womb.The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.Luke1:35
Google it(holy)

So, what does it mean to be holy?

snowdrops:
Does it really matter what day of the week it is?

It matters.

A lot.

player007:
Y i asked this question is dat the bible says 'keep the sabbath day holy' & when i look around me i see pple going to church on saturdays like 7th day Adventist church while i go 2 church on sundays.i do'nt want to be dissapointed @ the end of the world.

The Sabbath of GOD is the 7th day of the week, Saturday.

ichuka:
Lol
Was Adam Holy when God created Him?i know he was sinless but Holy?No

See Luke 3:38. Could Adam be the son of GOD if he was not holy?

What does it even mean to be holy? Tell me.

ichuka:
Man is incapable of keeping Gods law.

If this is true, why did Jesus tell us to be perfect in Matt. 5:48?

Here are some people who were blameless in the Bible:

JOB - Job 1:1

ENOCH - Gen. 5:24. Enoch was so righteous and sinless that GOD took him into Heaven.

ABEL - Matt. 23:35.