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goodnews201668:
You claim not to be carnaly minded yet you believe Abel's blood crying was literal?


Now let me make it simply for you God told Ezekiel to warn people and told him if he fail to do so their blood will be on his head.
What does that mean?
Does it mean their blood will be poured on his head physically?

analice107:
The bone of contention is, Abel did not cease to exist when he died.

Where is he existing now?

CAPTIVATOR:
mr man , enough is enough

you don claim soul are resurected which means they die , so I dont expect anyone on this thread to take you serious anymore .

the pit that was described as bottomless is not sheol . unless u could show me that sheol is the same word translated pit .

Scholar8200:
Indeed, no hell but there will be a Lake of fire.
Between Revelation 19 and 20 is 1000 years and 19 ends with the Beast and false prophet being cast there. Now after the milllenial reign satan will join the duo meaning they would NOT be annihilated by the fire!

Read Rev. 21:1,4,5. If the Bible says old things will pass away, and Satan is still there, have old things really passed away?

Scholar8200:
Indeed, no hell but there will be a Lake of fire.
Between Revelation 19 and 20 is 1000 years and 19 ends with the Beast and false prophet being cast there. Now after the milllenial reign satan will join the duo meaning they would NOT be annihilated by the fire!

Read Ezek. 28:13-18. Satan will be burnt to ashes. Will his ashes still be alive, if he will not be annihilated?

analice107:
Every one has immortality already, but where to spend it is why Christ came.

Read 1 Tim. 6:15,16. Tell me what you think.

Scholar8200:

That was not an affirmation, it was a question I asked you!

Simple: By the time the new Jerusalem will descend out of Heaven, there will be nothing like hell, and so no gulf whatsoever separating from Heaven. See Rev. 21:1,4,5.

Scholar8200:
I should ask you who are the dead that would be cast into the Lake of fire whose names are not in the Book of Life if the rain of fire will annihilate them?

It is simple: the lake of fire will be on this earth.

Go and search your Bible.

Scholar8200:
And when Jacob had made an end of commanding his sons, he gathered up his feet into the bed, and yielded up the ghost, and was gathered unto his people.
Genesis 49:33

You said Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were gathered to Adam and Abel, but the Bible said Jacob was gathered to his people.

Are Adam and Abel Jacob's people?

Scholar8200:
Bible does not use that statement for them.

Which statement are you talking about?

If you are talking about "gathered to", remember you were the one that used it:

Scholar8200:
I am persuaded that those are the people Abraham, Isaac, Jacob etc were gathered to at death.

@dolphinheart bro, preach!

Scholar8200:
Abraham? Jesus Himself speaks of where he was!
Abel, Noah etc, were mentioned for their faith in Hebrews 11, I am persuaded that those are the people Abraham, Isaac, Jacob etc were gathered to at death. Calling it Abraham's bosom does not necessarily mean he had to be the first there!

If Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were gathered to Adam and Abel at their death, to whom were Adam and Abel gathered at their own death?

Scholar8200:
Abraham? Jesus Himself speaks of where he was! [s]Abel, Noah etc, were mentioned for their faith in Hebrews 11,[/s] I am persuaded that those are the people Abraham, Isaac, Jacob etc were gathered to at death. Calling it Abraham's bosom does not necessarily mean he had to be the first there!

Don't import irrelevant matters into the argument.

Scholar8200:
At last, there will be no wicked on earth, see Revelations 20:15

When GOD will rain fire on brimstone and the wicked at last, where will they emerge from?

Scholar8200:
You dont have to!
Where do you find it that what separates Heaven and Hell is a big gulf? Jesus was at paradise and also the prison but after resurrection said He had not ascended to the Father that tells you that Heaven is neither of those initial destinations He went after He died!

So Paradise is not Heaven? Jesus took the repentant thief to Paradise and left him there?

Meanwhile, who said that a big gulf separates Heaven and hell?

Scholar8200:
Abraham? Jesus Himself speaks of where he was!
Abel, Noah etc, were mentioned for their faith in Hebrews 11, I am persuaded that those are the people Abraham, Isaac, Jacob etc were gathered to at death. Calling it Abraham's bosom does not necessarily mean he had to be the first there!

See another lie. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were gathered to Adam and Abel at their death? (Chei !!!) Where does the Bible say that?

The bolded part above: when did doctrines become a matter of personal persuasion?

Scholar8200:
As much revealed in Scripture is that He said to the thief on the Cross,''this day you shall be with me in paradise''. Moreover, Peter revealed that He also went to the spirits in prison (the only place that implies is the same place where the devil will be imprisoned for 1k years).
After His resurrection, He plainly said ,''I have NOT yet ASCENDED to my Father!

If Jesus went to Paradise at His death, how then did He preach to the Souls in prison? Or were the souls in Paradise too?

Scholar8200:
As much revealed in Scripture is that He said to the thief on the Cross,''this day you shall be with me in paradise''. Moreover, Peter revealed that He also went to the spirits in prison (the only place that implies is the same place where the devil will be imprisoned for 1k years).

So you mean the souls are in the bottomless pit? Because that is where Satan will be imprisoned for the millenium. Rev. 20.

Scholar8200:
I meant the part in Revelations 20 where fire will destroy those that try to fight against the camp of the saints, after which follows the Judgement found in Verse 11-15

If Jesus' parable about the rich man and Lazarus was talking about the fate of the dead: Where is the rich man now? Is he still burning?

The bolded part above: will the rich man be among them?

Scholar8200:
Those who were martyred in Revelations 6 were not found in Abraham's bosom but in Heaven. The Innumerable company of those redeemed in Revelations 7 were found at the Throne, not Abraham's bosom. Now Bible speaks of the resurrection of saints after Christ resurrected, did they just resurrect and went back to the grave? NO!

If Abraham's bosom is a temporary abode for the righteous, show us from the Bible when Abraham himself will be transported to Heaven.

Scholar8200:
Before the resurrection of Christ.

Jesus was (and is still) righteous. When he died, was he taken to Abraham's bosom? Was it from Abraham's bosom that Jesus was resurrected?

Can't believe somebody will lie blatantly like this.

Scholar8200:
Before the resurrection of Christ.

You said before the resurrection of Christ, righteous people went to the bosom of Abraham at death. (!!!)

Where did Adam and Abel go at their death, since Abraham had not been born at that time?

Why are you lying like this?
Why?

Jozzy4:
Abel died and go to the bossom of the man Abraham that is not yet born

goodnews201668:
Una don change am again, what of the hellfire or the rich man? Another hellfire still dey?

Scholar8200:
Take a deep breath and read below:


And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: 48 where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mark9:47,48

The story of Lazarus shows where Christ had in mind! Besides, since Jesus use of parables was to reveal things hid from the foundation of the world(has NOTHING to do with the pharisees and the unfortunate jews), I dont see what you are still trying to prove.

Tell us where Christ had in mind.

Scholar8200:
Abraham's bosom is not the final abode of the righteous, that is what Reveations 19,21,22 reveals! So this point is irrelevant.

In what Bible do those chapters reveal such a lie?

Can't believe this.

Scholar8200:
Why then did the rich man bid Abraham send Lazarus to warn his brothers? ANd even said if that happens his brothers will REPENT!!!
Luke 16:30
And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

At last, when the righteous are in heaven. Who will the wicked beg to be sent and to whom are they going to be sent?

Scholar8200:
Abraham's bosom is not the final abode of the righteous, that is what Reveations 19,21,22 reveals! So this point is irrelevant.

Right now, is Lazarus still hanging in Abraham's bosom?

goodnews201668:
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Abraham wasn't in heaven before Christ death, that one is certain.
The door of going to heaven was opened to humans after the death of Christ (John 3:13)shows that no man has ascended to heaven except Jesus that came from heaven.

Revelations 5:9,10 shows that Christ was slaughtered and with his BLOOD he bought people from earth and made to be a kingdom and priest and they are to rule the earth!
Stop misinterpreting the Bible.

Ask am where Abraham hang since Na for air?

Scholar8200:
Why then did the rich man bid Abraham send Lazarus to warn his brothers? ANd even said if that happens his brothers will REPENT!!!
Luke 16:30
And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

What suggests that Lazarus was righteous in this story? It says Lazarus "received evil things". Is that a mark of righteousness?

Jozzy4:
Lolllzzzz , for something to be ressurected , it has to die . you mean their soul DIED ?

LOL. This is getting very funny. He was the same person that said the soul cannot die.

Can you resurrect something that is alive?

Jozzy4:
you confess Abyss = bottomless , now expose yourself ... is sheol Abyss ?

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