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randomperson:
Of course he can't say for sure... But u can't either.
It's just like asking... Did Adam have a navel- if he existed.

But he was the one that said with certainty that "every human is as a result of reproduction."

I know for sure that not every human being who has existed was as a result of reproduction. The first human must necessarily be created by GOD. The Bible tells me so.

Now over to you. Prove that the Bible is not true.

benzics:
I know I have an uncle because my dad has siblings, my grandfather existed because for someone like my father to come about, he must have been given birth to

This is the same argument theists present. Just replace:

1. "I have an uncle" with "there is GOD."

2. "my dad has siblings" with "things exist."

3. "my grandfather existed." with "GOD exists."

4. "someone" with "something."

5. "my father" with "the universe."

6. "he" with "it."

7. "given birth to" with "created."


BINGO! YOU ARE STILL USING THE THEISTS' LOGIC.

Wait, is anything at all original to atheism?

benzics:
because simple and short, every human is a result of reproduction, so I had people reproducing before I was born!

The first human being was as a result of what?

Achorladey,

Now Paul says the law was added "till the seed should come." A quick question: which set of laws ended when Christ breathed His last and the temple veil tore into two? The ceremonial law which involved sacrifice. There is no direction for sacrifice or any ritual contained in the 10 Commandments.

Now, all the lambs and goats and turtledoves and pigeons and heifers slaughtered in the OT pointed to Christ. "Wherefore the(ceremonial) law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." We are no longer under the ceremonial laws, to keep them.

When one comes to Christ, guess what Christ tells the person? "...but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." Matt. 19:17 We do not come to Christ to become lawless: we come to Christ to be relieved our burdens and curses as a result of sin, which is transgression of the law(1 Jn. 3:4).

Achorladey,

Now, another way to understand Gal. 3:24-25 is to take a look at v.19. Paul was scolding the Galatian Christians for trying to get involved in the ceremonial laws(contained in the book of law. Remember the 10 Commandments were written on tablets of stone. However, Moses wrote another set of (ceremonial) laws in a book and ordered it to be kept in a pocket by the side of the ark, while the 10 Commandments on the tablets of stone were put inside the ark. See Deut. 31:26; Exod. 25:21).

Many times, Paul uses "the law" to mean the whole litany of rites and rituals contained in the ceremonial law. One of such cases is Gal. 3:19. Paul says the law was added because of transgressions. The law added there couldn't have been the 10 Commandments, because the reason for the addition was transgression, and there had to be a law which was transgressed, for where there is no law there is no transgression(Rom. 4:15). This directly opposes those who say that the 10 Commandments started existing at Sinai.

Achorladey,

Now, after the sinner is justified by his faith in Christ's all-sufficient sacrifice, he is no longer under the law(Note: it does not mean that he is now a lawless human being, for lawlessness is sin, and the person cannot afford to go back to the sin from which he was saved). The law has no power to pronounce death on the individual again based on the sin which he committed before. The law required the death of that individual because of the sins he committed, and in the eyes of the law, the individual has died/been killed for his sins which he committed(now his faith in Christ's atoning sacrifice simply makes Christ's death his i.e. Christ took his place).

Now the law says "thou shalt not kill." We did not come to Christ to get the freedom to kill, under the pretext of "we're no longer under the law." The same law says "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy." We did not come to Christ to get the freedom to desecrate GOD's holy Sabbath.

Achorladey,

"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." Gal. 3:24-25.

Let me ask you these question as it would help you understand that text: have you ever broken/violated any command on the 10 Commandments? (Your answer is most definitely "Yes" ). Now, do you know that the penalty for ever breaking even a single command of GOD is death?

The law was our schoolmaster(we were accountable to it). The law demands the death of its violator! You see why the natural man is under the law? Because the law pronounces death on the transgressor, no amount of law-keeping will save the one who has already transgressed the law. The sinner, beholding the immutable demands of the law, turns to Jesus. A simple, unflinching faith in Christ's atoning death justifies the sinner, and declares him not guilty of breaking the law(their sins will I remember no more - Jer. 31:34).

Just a little(very very very little) dose of critical thinking will cure this case of acute ignorance:

have you also been outside the universe to discover that there is God? And how the hell did you know god always existed? Did God tell you this himself? Or did man tell you?

After you have done all that the OP stated above, proceed to do the following. This is to ensure that you're really an atheist:

14. Stay awake on Nairaland by 2 am just to vituperate the GOD you believe does not exist.

15. Read the Bible more than Christians(It's very good for you).

16. Let GOD be the last thing you discuss before you go to bed, and the very first thing you discuss when you wake up.

17. Claim that anybody who does not subscribe to your views is delusional, disillusioned, mad, stupid, (please remind me all those words...)

18. Claim that you're the most rational and intelligent human being on earth and, at the same time, make some of the most ignorant comments ever seen.

19. Claim that you have peace of mind and at the same time post like a raving lunatic.

CONGRATULATIONS! YOU HAVE BECOME AN ATHEIST!

Dear brethren, GOD calls us:

"...Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities." Rev. 18:4-5

How can Ubenedictus continue to pretend as if it was not the Catholic church that caused the people to disregard GOD's holy Sabbath, even in the light of the discourse below?

Question - Which is the Sabbath day?

Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?

Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd ed.

Meanwhile, GOD says:

"My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips." Psa. 89:34.

Guess where the 10 Commandments came from? Yep, you guessed right: GOD'S OWN LIPS:

"And GOD spake all these words, saying," (Exod. 20:1)

How then can a mere man(pope) claim that he has changed GOD's Words?

Sunday worshippers, are you listening?

"The Catholic church," declared Cardinal Gibbons, "by virtue of her divine mission changed the day from Saturday to Sunday." Catholic Mirror Sept. 23 1983.(Official organ of Cardinal Gibbons)

Of course the catholic church has a mission. She is a tool in the hands of Satan: a very broad way that leads into destruction.

May GOD open the eyes of those being deceived and encouraged not to read the Bible for themselves.

More quotes from the Beast(of Rev. 13), which is also Babylon/adulterous woman(of Rev. 17).

"The authority of the church could therefore not be bound to the authority of the Scriptures, because the Church had changed...the Sabbath into Sunday, not by command of Christ, but by its own authority. "Canon and Tradition, p. 263"

Is not every Christian obliged to sanctify Sunday and to abstain on that day from unnecessary servile work? Is not the observance of this law among the most prominent of our sacred duties? But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify." -James Cardinal Gibbons,The Faith of Our Fathers (1917 ed.), pp. 72, 73.

IamProfessorval:
Yes, my view is that each individuall will witness these events individually

When a person dies, that's the end of the road for him/her. S/he sleeps in the grave, awaiting resurrection either to life, or to everlasting contempt.

But we know that some day, very soon, the LORD Jesus will appear in the clouds of Heaven i.e. He will come literally. That day, the dead in Christ shall rise from their graves incorruptible, and those who remain alive, and are in Christ will be caught in the air with the LORD, and be with Him forever.(1 Thess. 4:16-17).

"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." (2 Pet. 3:10)

"Behold he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him..." Rev. 1:7

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of GOD..." 1 Thess. 4:16

Ubenedictus, in the light of this quote:

"Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; --she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority." -Rev. Stephan Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism, "On the Obedience Due to the Church," chap. 2, p. 174. (Imprimatur, John Cardinal McCloskey, archbishop of New York.)

Why are you being a hypocrite by trying to make it look as if it was the Bible that commanded disregard for the Sabbath of GOD, when, in fact, it was the Beast(Papacy) that commanded it?

Ubenedictus, what do you have to say about these quotes from the catholic church?

"Not the Creator of Universe, in Genesis 2:1-3,- but the Catholic Church can claim the honor of having granted man a pause to his work every seven days."-S. C. Mosna, Storia della Domenica, 1969, pp. 366-367.

"The Pope is of great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even divine laws... The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man,but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth." -Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Bibliotheca, "Papa," art. 2, translated.

"The Pope has the power tochange times, to abrogate laws, and todispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ." "The Pope has the authority and often exercised it,to dispense with the command of Christ." Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.) Ferraris' Ecclesiastical Dictionary.

Ubenedictus:
it is found in d new testament.

Where is the law?

Why are do you insist on sinning seeing that "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth the law: for sin is the transgression of the law"(1 Jn. 3:4)?

Why are you committing sin by choosing to transgress the law?

Ubenedictus,

Seeing that the Sabbath will be kept in Heaven,

For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship
before me, saith the LORD. And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they
shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. Isa. 66:22-24

Why are you not keeping it now?

Ubenedictus:
GAL 4;
10 You observe days and months and seasons and
years! 11 I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.

"And you should imitate me, just as I imitate Christ." 1 Cor. 11:1

"And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures," Acts 17:2

"And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a riverside, where prayer was wont to be made..." Acts 16:13

Why are you not imitating Paul, seeing that he imitated Christ(Luke 4:16)?

Ubenedictus:
is there any mention of sabbath in that passage? the follow laws were repeated.
18 “Which ones?” he inquired. Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall
not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you
shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[a] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself. there is no mention of sabbath

Also not mentioned are there "thou shalt not covet", "thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain" "thou shalt have no other god before me." Are we now to disobey these laws?

Ubenedictus:
I am keeping d law of GOD as it pertains to a christian

Colossians 2:16, “Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a SABBATH DAY -
things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.”

the bible clearly say the sabbath observance is just a mere shadow and i should not allow anyone judge me about it, just as d old law is a mere shadow so is its sabbath. those shadow have all passed away.

Col. 2:14 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"

It is not hard to see that Col. 2:14-17 was talking about ceremonial laws. This set of ceremonial laws were the same which was "contrary to us"(see Deut. 31:26) and was placed by the side of the ark. It was different from the moral law(10 Commandments) which was placed inside the ark.

Ubenedictus:
the very place wher he allowed d spirit to teach dat d law has been abolished and we are not under it. go back to ur english class and read up what it means to abolish a law, and what it means not to be under a law.

let me give u an example, nigeria was previously under british laws, their penal codes were also used here, until we made our own constition and abolished theirs. there are stil some laws both nations share but a nigerian in dis country isnt under british law, any law not in d nigerian law book may be disregarded.
D law at sinai has been abolish, a few have been repeated but nt sabat

Where did the Spirit of GOD teach that the Law of GOD has been abolished?

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law" Rom. 3:31"

Ubenedictus:
THAT SAME BEING INSPIRED PAUL TO TEACH THAT I AM NO LONGER UNDER D LAW GIVEN AT SINAI, he also taught u that d said law has been abolished by the cross.

any old testament law not repeated in d new testament is no binding on a xtian.

So under which laws are we now?

Ubenedictus:
Amen, there exist a sabbath rest in heave for d people of GOD.

"By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." 1 Jn. 5:3

Why are you not keeping GOD's commandments?

Ubenedictus:
we are no longer under the law, i already quoted dat passage, d law has been abolished by d cross cf eph 2, so too d observance sabbath and days, gal 4:10,11.

Under what law are we now?

"So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty." James 2:12

What is this law by which we will be judged? Where is it in the Bible?

"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law" James 2:10-11

In the light of the verse above, why do you choose to desecrate GOD's Sabbath, seeing that the same Person who said "thou shalt not kill" also said "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy"? Are you not transgressing GOD's law?

Ubenedictus:
because a will is in force only when somebody
has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. Heb 9;17
the new dispensation came after Jesus died, d law still had force when JESUS was alive but that change destroying in his own flesh the wall which separated us. HE ABOLISHED THE LAW WITH ITS COMMANDS AND PRECEPTS...through the cross eph 2;15-17

So you know something about testaments/wills? You know that Jesus ratified the New Testament with His blood eh? Where did Jesus command His disciples to disregard the Sabbath before His death? And if Jesus the Testator did not add "disregard for/desecration of the Sabbath" to His covenant before He ratified it with His blood, who can add that to it?

Eph. 2:15 says that Christ abolished "the law of commandments contained in ordinances." Is "thou shalt not kill" contained in ordinances? Is "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy" contained in ordinances?

Ubenedictus:
1. the man was a jew,
2. christ hadnt yet died.

Are you serious? Where did Christ tell the man to keep the commandments until after His death? And where was it stated that Christ's injunction in Matt. 19:17-19 was meant only for Jews? Did Christ's disciples not continue to keep the Sabbath even after He ascended?

U have a problem with comprehension, i never said d 10 commandments should b disobeyed. instead i repeat what scriptures says We are, therefore, not under the law issuing from Sinai. Instead, we are answerable to God under the "new and living way" (Hebrews
10:20) we are not under d laws issued at sanai, there is a new testament, new rules for living in d spirit. some old testament laws were brought into d new, but d sabbat certainly wasnt.

What are the new rules for living in the spirit? Who abolished the Sabbath, and where did he abolish it?

"There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of GOD;" Heb. 4:9

Worthy of note is the fact that Jesus was killed outside the city of Jerusalem, in which was the temple.

It is also worthy of note that the redness of the heifer signified the state of Jesus as He approached the cross: He came to the cross all red from His own blood, his flesh having been severly torn from the whippings and beatings he received, and from the crown of thorns placed on His head.

But most significant is the fact that the red heifer was killed and (much of her blood) totally burned outside the camp of Israel(Num. 19:3). In the books of Numbers and Deuteronomy the Israelite community is often pictured as an armed camp. Wherever the camp is located God's Presence is found. The area outside the camp is the sphere of uncleanness to which lepers, gonorrheal persons, and those defiled by contact with the dead are sent (Num. 5:2), as are men who have had nocturnal emissions (Deut. 23:11). Excrement likewise was to be buried outside the camp (Deut. 23:14). Now, after the killing the red heifer was killed outside the holy camp, its blood was taken and sprinkled seven times toward the door of the Tent of Meeting.

Our LORD Jesus was killed and consumed on earth, the planet of the unclean man where sin and uncleanness abides, outside the courts of Heaven(the holy place of GOD which houses the true sanctuary).

Now, He has entered before GOD with His blood to atone for our sins.

It is also worthy of note that this sacrifice, which involved killing and burning(totally) the red heifer, is rarely done i.e. one sacrifice is enough, and anybody who gets defiled(either by touching a dead body, or anything) simply gets sprinkled with a mixture of water and the red heifer's ashes, which is prepared and stored. The ashes were sufficient for all the people. When a person or a family needed purification, a fresh heifer was not required to be sacrificed. One was sufficient for all, including the sojourning stranger (Num. 19:10). So the sacrifice of Christ is sufficient for everyone. It is everlastingly efficacious. There is enough virtue in His sacrifice for the sins of the world. (1 John 2:2). The ashes were stored for all future needs. So the sacrifice of Christ is laid up for us as an inexhaustible fountain of merit to which we have daily access for the purging of our consciences (Heb. 9:13, 14; Zech. 13:1).

1. This question should have been: "why was there need for any earthly sanctuary?", seeing that the Heavenly sanctuary existed before the earthly one, and that the earthly one was made "according to the pattern" which was shown Moses in the mount.

That said, GOD resides in the Holy of Holies in the heavenly sanctuary, where His throne is located. The presence of GOD of GOD is signified in the earthly sanctuary by the Shekina Glory which rested on the mercy seat in the holy of holies(Exod. 25:17-22). And since the earthly sanctuary resembles the Heavenly one, services in the former must resemble and follow after services in the latter(The book of Hebrews explain this).

In the OT, there was a very important, rare, all-inclusive sacrifice which involved a red heifer(Num. 19). The red heifer was to be without blemish, without defect, and was to never have been yoked before. You know that these qualities were present in Jesus, with the absence of yoke signifying His voluntary offering of Himself.