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analice107,

Notice that as the angels sounded the trumpets, these woes came upon the inhabiters of the earth. At this time, the mark of the beast has not been enforced on the inhabiters of the earth. GOD's people were still on earth. They are, however, protected by GOD from these woes.

In Rev. 9:4, after the fifth angel sounded his trumpet, the destruction that came was directed at those who had not the seal of GOD in their foreheads. Both the seal and the forehead are symbolic. This also shows that GOD's people, with His seal on their foreheads, are present when these woes are coming upon the earth.

I'll open a thread on the mark of the beast and how one can receive it in the forehead or on the hand. You'll also see that GOD's people have always borne His seal on their foreheads right from Eden(thus Rev. 9:4). However, in the last days, Satan, in liaison with the Antichrist will enforce a counterfeit seal on the inhabitants of the earth. And as many as receive this seal will perish.

plaetton:
Well, it's not fault if you don't what is happening in the areas of scientific innovations.

When you speak what you believe To be truth, your body releases chemicals that affect your heart rate, blood pressure, pupil dilation, even minute finger movements that can all be detected.
These are not even new developments.

Truth is not emotional. I say "I am male." There is no increase in my heart rate.

Moreover, truth is not dependent on human acceptance/belief. The boiling point of water is 100 degrees centigrade. Whether you accept it or not, it is the truth.

DeSepiero:
But at least you have realized that its possible to determine Jealousy in someone by psychological tests.

On you refusing to answer the question, that's a problem that the expert has to fix, else his test would be abortive. It doesn't mean that jealousy can't be determined in other individuals.

Just like a biochemist has a problem when a sample has been overheated resulting in protein denaturation hence test for protein may prove abortive. It doesn't mean that protein can't be determined in other samples.

I hope you get my point!

If I bring my son to you, and ask you to determine scientifically whether there is jealousy in him, what will you do? (assuming he refuses to answer any questions you ask).

When you bring a sample to determine scientifically whether or not it contains protein, you don't begin to ask the samples question. Even if the sample could talk, science does not depend on human opinions. You proceed to experiment on the sample.

DeSepiero:
Seems you're a science student or something...
Your understanding of science shouldn't be limited to physical or biological sciences.

Psychology is social science.

While a biochemist would experiment with a protein sample in a lab, you, as an intelligent being with a mind are the sample of a psychologist and he explores concepts such as perception , cognition , attention , emotion , intelligence ,motivation , brain functioning,
personality , behavior, and interpersonal relationships , and other areas under which jealousy fall.

I have schooled you on how psychologists experiment basically.
If you want to better understand how an expert psychologist would do his work, do consult one.

When I say science, I mean the one that employs skeptical empiricism.

What if I refuse to answer your questions, but you still have to determine whether there is jealousy in me or not?

plaetton:
A simple psychological questionnaire can pinpoint your character traits , your emotional state of mind with mathematical accuracy, even you are trying to be deceptive.

They have developed cameras that can record your eye movements during questioning to measure truth and deception.
The truth , which I have always stated on threads like this, is that the whole gamut of human emotions have biochemical origins , biochemical reactions that involve molecular bondings. As such , they are all reducible to mathematics. Yes, your emotions have mathematical corollaries.
As such, they can be modelled, predicted, and altered with the right mathematically arranged chemicals.

What if I refuse to answer the question? LOL.

So cameras observing my eyes can tell if I'm lying or not? Bro, you're going mythical.

Truth is not an emotion please. The earth is geoid approximately oblate spheroidal in shape. There is no gamut of human emotions to this.

Moreover, analice107,

Paul says in Thessalonians that the antichrist will sit in the temple of GOD, showing himself to be GOD.(2 Thess.2:4)

If he is an atheist, what will he be doing in GOD's temple? Moreover, to claim that he is GOD means that he will demand worship due GOD.

Think about it.

analice107:
Iszit not obvious? He is Anti everything God.

God created Adam and Eve, the spirit of perversion now entered into people. Today we have Adam and Steve. Ada and Eve.

God created people to worship and serve Him, Satan's Pride got on the way and now there is self worship. Atheism. Atheism is the religion of satan.

shd i go on?

You should know that the bone of contention in this Great Controversy between GOD and Satan is worship.

The Antichrist is working in liaison with Satan to direct worship away from GOD to Satan subtly. So, the Antichrist must be a figure that is worshipped/demands worship.

Now, if he is an atheist, and still receives worship, then his claim to atheism is not true, as atheists don't demand to be worshipped.

analice107:
The Antchrist wont be a Chriatian or Catholic. The Antichrist will be an atheist. the world's atheists right now are his recruits.

Do you have a biblical proof of this?

plaetton:
Questionnaires and Surveys can be scientifically designed to ferret out scientifically acceptable facts from individuals, groups and populations.

Secondly, questioning is an important and integral part of scientific experimentation when it involves persons.


You didn't know that ?

I can lie when you're questioning me. Thus, truth will not be achieved.

How can you conduct a scientific experiment on me to determine if there is jealousy in me?

DeSepiero:
A psychologist can detect it by examination and use of adequately drafted questionnaires. Maybe you should consult a psychologist.

When you want test for protein in a sample, do you ask the sample questions? What about dumb individuals?

Questioning is not experiment. How can you conduct an experiment on me to determine if I have jealouy in me?

Weah96:
I'm not a Christian, but what makes you say that the bible god's will can be contravened? There is clearly sickness in the world as we speak?

Hei! Eleyi gidi gan!

Brother, the answer to your question is in the part of my post you cut out.

DeSepiero:
Jealousy can be tested psychologically anyway. i.e. with the "science of psychology".

I tell you that jealousy exists in my heart. How can you conduct a scientific test to prove it?

Weah96:
You don't know how to argue. It was you who predicted that an appearance by the bible creator will greeted as a hallucination by me. And then you called Elijah a f.ool or a scam artist who employed an ambiguous miracle. What that means is that you don't believe that your bible creator can provide enough evidence to convince me, his supposed product. It's like you see perceive some shortcomings in his abilities. How can a human dismiss his potential creator as hallucination? Are you okay?

Okay. Bye.

Weah96:
So the Baal worshippers worked for someone other than the devil? I don't get what you're saying.
Elijah picked a miracle that he knew the devil could have performed?

It seems something is wrong with your sense of understanding.

Maybe, when you're ready to reason straight, you call me.

Bye.

Weah96:
But the choice is mine to make, not yours. What I do know, from experience, is that human beings are full of sh8t, from the emperors down to the governors. Human beings are motivated by self interest and things surrounding self interest, like safety of family members. We love money and crave womanliness.
Any message from a possible creator must come from it. I will listen to dogs speak before I entertain your message from the creator to me.

Don't generalise it. Everybody is not like you.

That does it then. You need no proof of the Creator's existence. You've made up your mind that He does not exist.

So, why bother yourself?

Weah96:
Excuses, excuses. So you're basically saying that Elijah may have collaborated with the devil because the origin of a miracle can NEVER be verified? How do we know the identity of the person who has been calling down fire since antiquity?

I never said so. Are you trying to make a strawman of my argument?

Elijah, by the power of GOD, called down fire from Heaven. Devil can call down fire from heaven too.

Is this too hard to understand?

Moreover if you doubt that Elijah did that by the power of GOD in him as the Bible says, why do you even believe the Bible at all when it says Elijah called down fire from Heaven?

Weah96:
Personal wishes are different from real life. I wish that you could take your time and read the verse carefully. But we both know that's not going to happen.

At least it is clear that GOD's will is for us to be in good health and not sickness. Thus, the OP is addressed.

As to why we fall sick: "We know that we are from GOD, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one." 1 Jn. 5:19.

Weah96,

Moreover, the devil can counterfeit all the miracles you may want me to do to prove to you that GOD exists. He even makes fire come down from Heaven, like Elijah did.(Rev. 13:13)

So, miracles are not a proof of the presence of GOD.

Weah96:
Have you read about Elijah and the Baal worshippers? How do you reconcile that story with your own 21st Century refusal to provide material evidence in this our material realm?

The truth is that even if GOD came down and stood before you to tell you that He exists, you would dismiss that occurrence as mere hallucination.

onetrack:
In theory everything should be testable scientifically. While we don't yet have the means to do so for everything, anyone who says that something is true must be prepared to show testable evidence. Otherwise it can be dismissed without further discussion.

"What is claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." Christopher Hitchens.

If I tell you that jealousy exists in my heart, how are you going to test it scientifically?

onetrack:
Then you are agnostic, like me.

No. I'm a Bible-believing Christian.

DeSepiero:
You're digressing while avoiding my previous question.
I assume you have realized that you were wrong about 'mutation always being detrimental to the mutant'.
Let's be clear on the argument at hand before jumping into another.

gracias!

(Very minute)Mutation is responsible for variation in individuals. However, significant mutation(the one evolutionists say can change a bacteria into a worm or whatever) is detrimental individuals.

Purple is a color intermediate between red and blue.

Scarlet is a brilliant red color with a tinge of orange.

We see that robe which was put on Jesus had a shade of red in it. Therefore there is no contradiction there.

DeSepiero:
Are you not getting me wrong?
I want to know how you got to know that mutation is always 'detrimental' to the mutant as you implied in your previous post which I precisely quoted.
In the field of science I study, mutation is often 'beneficial' to the mutant (e.g Mutation resulting in antibiotic resistance in bacteria).

Although it is well established that single-species populations of bacteria can evolve over time (Studies abound supporting this).

Single-species populations of bacteria can evolve over time? Evolve into what? Tell me.

Watchtower's woes began when it fell into futile act of date-setting. All its calculations of Bible dates are wrong.

What can we do but pray that our JW brothers open their eyes and read the Bible for themselves beg the Holy Spirit for understanding? And for them to realise that no one will be admitted into Heaven because s/he attends this church or the other?

That hymn "Praise to the Lord, the Almighty, the King of Creation..."

Nice one.

"Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth." 3 Jn. 1:2

Hmm. Even when the woman caught in the act of adultery was brought to Jesus, He didn't shun her, neither did He disfellowship her. He simply forgave her and commanded her to go and sin no more. You only disfellowship unrepentant members: those who have been confirmed by everybody to be unrepentant despite warnings and pleas.

The truth is that many JWs are not even happy with their church and its policies. Many are disgruntled.

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DeSepiero:
How do you know this? Whats the source/reference of the statement? That's very wrong please.

Provide me with a single case of mutation that has given rise to a new species.

I haven't seen any great hymn written recently.