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brocab:
Well well how dumb do you really sound-talk about unknowledgeable.
Plus as I recall it Dolphinheart said He gave up His Body?
Jesus gave up His Spirit to God, it doesn't mean His Spirit is dead-finished.

STOP LYING , I QUOTED THE SCRIPTURES WHERE IT IS SAID THAT JESUS GAVE UP HIS SPIRIT!.
I HAVE ALSO QUOTED WHAT THE SCRIPTURE SAYS HAPPEN TO A PERSON WHEN HIS SPIRIT GOES OUT.
I ALSO SHOWED WHERE THE SCRIPTURE SAID JESUS GAVE HIS LIFE!

YOU SAY JESUS DID NOT DIE, YET JESUS SAID HE WAS DEAD!

johnw74:
a/c dolphinheart

I certinally did, but you cannot help but lie

here it is:
https://www.nairaland.com/2720878/jehovahs-witnesses-17-facts-people/146#51908688

show me where I lied you say
you lie and falsely accuse in most of your posts

your post confirms my words, you could not explain the verses I quoted.

johnw74:
bro I don't change anything in antichrist dolphinheart posts,
as you pointed out he does,
I just simply quote the things I want to talk about,
that's a sensible thing to do, but of course lie lie loves to
lie and falsely accuse on many diffrent things,

As is the way of a/c

If everyone acts that same way, only talking about things he wants to talk about, editing other people's explanation and scriptures, then we will not learn anything.
IF SCRIPTURES ARE SHOWN TO YOU, AND YOU FEEL THE EXPLANATIONS GIVEN ARE WRONG, A SINCERE PERSON WILL QUOTE THOSE SCRIPTURES AND GIVE HIS OWN EXPLANATIONS, A SINCERE PERSON WILL NOT REMOVE IT FROM THE POST, ACTING AS IF THOSE VERSES WHERE NOT QUOTE AS PART OF THE POST.

johnw74:
You said certain Alpha and Omega verses in Rev, were not Jesus talking

I showed that it certinally was Jesus talking in those verses, not just one

There is no need for me to post the verses again, you never replied to my post,
go back and reply now, or are you just grand standing, big mouthing?
yep, of course you are oh antichrist

hope you saw what I asked, post the verses again!

johnw74:
poor lie lie dolphinheart, all you have is your lies and false accusations
that you repeat over and over again

explaining twice to you is once more than enough,
but you love to lie and falsely accuse,
which is normal behaviour for an antichrist,
and you are truly that, aren't you

Again you had to edit my post. removing the scriptures posted.



if you had left my post the way they are , if you had not edited the truth out of it, if you had read the scriptures you deliberately removed, you probably would have seen the truth. If you continue to edit peoples post, you will never get the meaning of their words. what I'm trying to say is encompassed in the whole writeup and not just in one sentence or parts of a sentence. 

It is also evident that you did not adress or give your understanding of the scriptures quoted by me.

Ac 26:23that the Christ was to suffer and that as the first to be resurrected from the dead, he was going to proclaim light both to this people and to the nations.”

Col 1:18and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;

Re 1:5and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood

Re 2:8“And to the angel of the congregation in Smyrʹna write: These are the things that he says, ‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to

johnw74:
poor lie lie dolphinheart, twice I told you but you so confused,
such is the way of antichrists

are you denying what you said again? are you now saying you did not edit my post? stop confusing brocab, cus he is already praising you for editing my post!

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

once again, of course it's you, not brocab who is the liar,
we know that Jesus was manifest in the flesh
and we know Jesus is God

You search for many translations that say "He" instead of "God"
such is your denial of the Lord,
there are many Bible verses to show that "God" in 1 Timothy 3:16 is indeed correct.

You are an antichrist going to extreme lengths to deny the Lord Jesus Christ.


Here are some Bible verses which show that "God" in 1 Timothy 3:16 is correct:

Jesus is God with us:
Isa 7:14  Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Jesus is mighty God:
Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
 
Jesus is Yahweh our Righteousness:
Jer 23:5  Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. 
Jer 23:6  In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Mat 1:23  Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

The Word was God:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 

God purchased the Church with His own blood:
Act 20:28  Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Jesus is the Lord from Heaven:
1Co 15:47  The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Jesus considered Himself equal to God:
Php 2:6  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 
Php 2:7  But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 
Php 2:8  And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 



These Bible verses all show that Jesus is God,
and
Jesus was manifest to us,
God was manifest to us.

do you believe all these Bible verses showing that Jesus Christ is God lie lie dolphinheart, of course NOT,
you are antichrist.

you search for translations which you think support your satanic doctrines, but they don't
they just say "HE" instead of "God", there are plenty of Bible verses showing the Lord Jesus Christ is God,
oh antichrist

you sure do lie, all the time mr a/c
and you say: show me where I lied, ha ha ha

I would have responded, only if you had not edited my post.

brocab:
Why not just stick with the KJV-and of course this bible will prove how your mind works to the public. To be honest I can't believe you would strop yourself this low just to justify yourself.

are we talking about which bible to stick to?, no we are talking about 1 timothy 3:16.
Two different translations give two different text of the same verse. I've shown you how some translations translated 1 timothy 3:16, I've given you reasons why they are correct, if you want , I can even show you the Greek text.

so far you have not:
1. give any reason why you think the KJV translation of 1 timothy 3: 16 is right and the others are wrong.
2. shown any evidence to support the use of the word "God" in that verse when it is proven that the word does not exist in that verse.

I did not bring myself low, I quoted several translations to you, non of them used "God", they used "he", they are different words with different spelling and different meaning. Now the issue is, which one is correct, which one is wrong. evidence from the manuscripts and scholars show that the use of "God" in that verse is totally wrong.

Dolphinheart writes-brocab, adherents of the false trinity doctrine had gone a long way in adulterating certain verses, but thanks to the discovery of new older and more accurate scrolls and technology, the dark works had been discovered, new bibles are gradually removing those false additions in the scriptures.
STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT THE WORD "GOD" AS ADDED BY YOU WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT VERSE IS AN ADDITION MADE BY THOSE WHO ARE FUSTRATED THAT THEY COULD NOT FIND ANY VERSE THAT SUPPORTS THEIR TRINITY DOCTRINE DIRECTLY. THE ADDITION HAS BEEN DISCOVER TO BE FALSE.
Well well Dolphinheart the KJV seems to give you favor when you need the answers when arguing the point with me-so why stop now, why look at bibles that comes under the New Order, which of course means the New World Order. Example the NIV Bible calls Jesus the capstone-instead Jesus rightful name is the cornerstone. The capstone is on the dollar-Satan looking down on his own and Satan's plan is to use people like you to spread a unscriptural gospel of lies and wonders across our nations.

don't make statements without providing evidence, pls quote the verse where the statement was a made from both the NIV and the KJV, we will then examine it together on this thread.

{1 Timothy 3:16} God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, Received up in Glory..
And who is "HE" WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH?
Have you mistaken you have written down this bible verse {Lets read the Weymouth New Testament Bible, it say's that Christ appeared in Human form}
Does this mean Christ is God "HE" who manifested in the flesh.
Second question we already know who's coming back for His own people.

First one needs to examine which translation is true and which is false.

* note , my acceptance of what a scholar says about a particular subject is based on my personal study , I don't accept all of what a particular scholar says but look at it subject by subject.
In regard to the above verse, Bruce Metzger writes:

[“He who”] is supported by the earliest and best uncials…no uncial (in the first hand) earlier than the eighth or ninth century supports theos; all ancient versions presuppose hos or ho [“he who” or “he”]; and no patristic writer prior to the last third of the fourth century testifies to the reading theos. The reading theos arose either(a) accidentally, or (b) deliberately, either to supply a substantive for the following six verbs [the six verbs that follow in the verse], or, with less probability, to provide greater dogmatic precision [i.e., to produce a verse that more clearly supports the Trinitarian position].” [1]

brocab, the use of theos in 1 timothy arose either accidentally or deliberate alteration of what the verse says.
now that we know the the true Greek word is "ho" which means "he" in English, it is left for us to study and know who that he is!

By looking at the verse and examining what was said about that "he" , we are ably to know it was jesus, the son of God, who was exalted and sat at the right hand of God.

brocab:
Bless John74 soul-If He did edit your post, he did it to return to you the favour you have in the past changed our post.

Your dubious character is more evident day by day, you first said he did not do any editing, he has confirmed that he edited my post, you now quickly change your stance. Like the wind blows smoke left and right, you stance keep changing depending on what's on ground.

If I asked you to show one instance in which I edited your post now, you will run away again!

Bless the Man's soul, he was correcting your mistakes-like a teacher corrects the children in a classroom-like our Father in Heaven corrects His own while reading the Word Of God.
Bless John74's soul...
Well done good and faithful servant...

If you want to correct mistakes, you first show the mistake, then put the correction forward.
removing quoted scriptures does not show you are correcting mistakes, it shows you are afraid of the scriptures quoted, the only way to hide from explaining it is to try and erase it!

When I was in school, if we make mistakes or answer questions incorrectly, the teacher does not erase what we have written, he or she will point to where we made the mistake and give corrections below what we have written.

I know you like your own method, cus it prevents others from seing the so called mistakes you are trying to correct, to prevent discerning minds from checking if truly their is a mistake and if your corrections are valid.

brocab:
Lies

prove my accusation wrong brocab, HAVE YOU EVER QUOTED PSALMS 83:18 FROM THE KJV WHEN I REQUESTED YOU DO SO?, PLS FOR ONCE ,SHOW YOU ARE NOT A LIAR BY
1. SHOWING US WHERE YOU QUOTED THE VERSE FROM THE KJV OR
2. QUOTING THE VERSE FROM THE KJV AND TELLING US IF YOU ACCEPT THAT TRANSLATION.

solite3:
I don't have time to dig through posts since you have have time go back and search for my reply to your posts there lies your answers

case closed.
you asked me to show prove that you did not answer my question, Ive shown you prove only for you to bring up another excuse. time and date are their o! its not as if you will need to do deep searching.
your response when facts are tabled goes to show the kind of person you are.
It is evident that you did not answer those questions, hence this new excuse.

solite3:
I don't have time to dig through posts since you have have time go back and search for my reply to your posts there lies your answers

case closed.
you asked me to show prove that you did not answer my question, Ive shown you prove only for you to bring up another excuse. time and date are their o! its not as if you will need to do deep searching.
your response when facts are tabled goes to show the kind of person you are.

Barristter07:
Brocab



God himself explained the meaning of his name to his faithful servant Moses. When Moses asked about God’s name, Jehovah replied: “I Will Become What I Choose to Become.” (Exodus 3:14) Rotherham’s translation renders those words: “I Will Become whatsoever I please.” So Jehovah can become whatever is needed in order to fulfill his purposes, and he can cause to happen whatever is required with regard to his creation and the accomplishment of his purpose.



vain traditions of men, then why did faithful men of old used the name in their writings ?





Dont be dogmatic friend, who told you Yahweh is the real hebrew pronounciation ?

Explaining why he used “Jehovah” instead of “Yahweh” in his 1911 work Studies in the Psalms, respected Bible scholar Joseph Bryant Rotherham said that he wanted to employ a “form of the name more familiar (while perfectly acceptable) to the general Bible-reading public.” In 1930 scholar A. F. Kirkpatrick made a similar point regarding the use of the form “Jehovah.” He said: “Modern grammarians argue that it ought to be read Yahveh or Yahaveh; but JEHOVAH seems firmly rooted in the English language, and the really important point is not the exact pronunciation, but the recognition that it is a Proper Name, not merely an appellative title like ‘Lord.’”


I can't count how many religious songs that proudly use the name Jehovah today, EVEN IN CHURCH HYMNS and so called gospel songs . the name is been used freely just to let you know how firmly rooted it is in the english language . forms like Jehovah - Jireh are used from time to time in daily religious supplications , so what exactly are u saying ?

I think you forget that your cherished KJV use the name Jehovah too, its a failed translation ?

He would never accept the verses in the KJV where the name of God in English "jehovah" was used. I asked him several times go post what psalms 83: 18 says in the KJV, he vehemently refused.

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

as you can see all I wanted to talk about was:
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1. your accusing brocab of being a false teacher
2. and your saying bro is full of lies
3. and you saying that you believe there is only one true God
4. Re 1:17When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last,
Re 1:18and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave.
you did not read those verses with insight, cus if you did, something must have clicked in your head and direct you to the scriptures that says God cannot die, therefore this person who claims to be dead is not the God that cannot die!

If you had studied further, you would have known why he is first and the last.

What first and last was he ?
Ac 26:23that the Christ was to suffer and that as the first to be resurrected from the dead, he was going to proclaim light both to this people and to the nations.”
Col 1:18and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;
Re 1:5and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood
Re 2:8“And to the angel of the congregation in Smyrʹna write: These are the things that he says, ‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to life again:
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They are the things that you said which I wanted to address and did address

but you lie lie dolphinheart are just once again lying and falsely accusing because it's what you do best.

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

and lie lie dolphinheart, I already explained that to you, but you love to lie and falsely accuse over and over again,
it's what you know best, taking after your god.

And you sometimes say: show me where I lie
ha ha how pathetic, you hardly ever stop lying

and antichrist dolphinheart you deny the Lord Jesus Christ often
denying that He is God
denying that he is Yahweh-almighty God who appeared to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob
you deny very much of God's word that expose your satanic doctrines

You do however take after your god closely:

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

if you had left my post the way they are , if you had not edited the truth out of it, if you had read the scriptures you deliberately removed, you probably would have seen the truth. If you continue to edit peoples post, you will never get the meaning of their words. what I'm trying to say is encompassed in the whole writeup and not just in one sentence or parts of a sentence.

It is also evident that you did not adress or give your understanding of the scriptures quoted by me.

Ac 26:23that the Christ was to suffer and that as the first to be resurrected from the dead, he was going to proclaim light both to this people and to the nations.”

Col 1:18and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;

Re 1:5and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood

Re 2:8“And to the angel of the congregation in Smyrʹna write: These are the things that he says, ‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to

johnw74:
I'm sure bro like me could fill posts of all your lies if we wanted to waste the time looking back

one instance you say, OK off the top of my head recently you posted that it's not Jesus talking in certain revelation
verses, I showed you that it indeed was Jesus talking, and of course you could not admit your wrong.

there's one instance lie lie dolphinheart

post the verse again and we will examine who was talking in that verse .

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart, crying again-still

of course I remove much of your confusion from your post
and reply to the things I want to talk about

what a lie lie false accuser
but when you lie you are talking naturally

Good that you admit that you really did edit my post, expecially the scriptures, hope brocab sees your admission.

brocab:
Then you must know {1 Timothy 3:16} God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the world, received up in glory..
You also must know {Isaiah 9:6} For a child is born, a Son is Given, and the Government shall be upon His shoulders, His name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, The God Mighty, The everlasting Father, The Prince of peace.
And of course last of all, surely you had missed this one-{Revelations 1:7-8} Behold He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pieced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so Amen..
I Am the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end, say's the Lord, who is and who was, and who is to come. Almighty...
Lets not forget no-one has seen God at anytime, so who is this stranger with great power coming in the clouds?

you are lying, those verses did not say what you posted.

1 ti 3: 16 did not say God was manifest in flesh, let's look at several translations.



◄ 1 Timothy 3:16 ►

[b]New International Version
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.

English Standard Version
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

Berean Study Bible
By common confession, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was proclaimed among the nations, was believed in throughout the world, was taken up in glory.


New American Standard Bible 
By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory. 

International Standard Version
By common confession, the secret of our godly worship is great: In flesh was he revealed to sight, kept righteous by the Spirit's might, adored by angels singing. To nations was he manifest, believing souls found peace and rest, our Lord in heaven reigning! 

NET Bible
And we all agree, our religion contains amazing revelation: He was revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory. 

New Heart English Bible
Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: He was revealed in the flesh, justified by the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, and received up in glory.

New American Standard 1977 
And by common confession great is the mystery of godliness: 
            He who was revealed in the flesh, 
            Was vindicated in the Spirit, 
            Beheld by angels, 
            Proclaimed among the nations, 
            Believed on in the world, 
            Taken up in glory.

American Standard Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And evidently great is the mystery of godliness, which was manifested in the flesh, was justified in the spirit, appeared unto angels, hath been preached unto the Gentiles, is believed in the world, is taken up in glory. 

English Revised Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, received up in glory.

Weymouth New Testament
And, beyond controversy, great is the mystery of our religion-- that Christ appeared in human form, and His claims justified by the Spirit, was seen by angels and proclaimed among Gentile nations, was believed on in the world, and received up again into glory.[/b]

STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT THE WORD "GOD" AS ADDED BY YOU WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT VERSE IS AN ADDITION MADE BY THOSE WHO ARE FUSTRATED THAT THEY COULD NOT FIND ANY VERSE THAT SUPPORTS THEIR TRINITY DOCTRINE DIRECTLY. THE ADDITION HAS BEEN DISCOVER TO BE FALSE.

ALSO DISCOVERED TO BE FALSE ARE WORDS ADDED TO REVELATION 1:8 BELOW IS A BETTER TRANSLATION OF THAT VERSE.(THE FALSE WORDS HAD BEEN REMOVED)

[b]New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

New American Standard Bible 
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

NET Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God--the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come--the All-Powerful! 

New Heart English Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
I am The Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
"I am the A and the Z," says the Lord God, the one who is, the one who was, and the one who is coming, the Almighty. 

New American Standard 1977 
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”[/b]

brocab, adherents of the false trinity doctrine had gone a long way in adulterating certain verses, but thanks to the discovery of new older and more accurate scrolls and technology, the dark works had been discovered, new bibles are gradually removing those false additions in the scriptures.

brocab:
Try proving your evidence before blaming-That is right he doesn't do it-because you don't write anything in the first place.

ill show you evidence
look at my post on 4:28pm On Dec 13 then look how it was heavily edited with deliberate removal of scriptures when he quoted that post on 1:33am On Dec 14

the quote below is my post, the parts in red are the parts that was removed so that he could respond

As expected, you refused to answer the questions even after it was asked several times.

If one goes through the thread , their are many questions you refused, to answer, many scriptures you refused to explain when you are being called upon to explain them, why?, cus you know that given an answer or explanation will point you out as a false teacher. Hence you always try to change the issues every time.
simple questions are asked , they are in order, all numbered for easy identifiction, yet you can't answer them.

1 .How do we know the truth if two people give contrary answers and both claim God spirit told them?

2. Jo 5:20And we know that the (1) Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2) him that is true, and we are in (3) him that is true, (4) even in (5) hisSon Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
now brocab, pls tell us:
2A. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red
2B. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue
2C. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red
2D. what do you understand by the underlined "even In his son" in (4)
2E who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.


You have decided to divert the issue from John 5: 20, you think that listing a number of scriptures will help you out, let's see if they do , or if they expose you further.


Yes , we believe that God's son is jesus, but you have said several times on this thread that jesus is not the son of God!. can you see how you flip flop on your doctrine?, how false your teachings are?.


You are full of lies , I believe their is only one true God, the scriptures helps us to identify who that true God is, I follow the scriptures identification, you do not!, you have formulated another true God for yourself, different from the God the disciples, scriptures and even jesus himself identified as God, the one true God and our God.

JESUS HIMSELF IDENTIFIED WHO THE TRUE GOD IS.
Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
* jesus identified the true to you, his next words excludes him from the only person who is the true God, the true God sent him, the true God did not send himself, he sent his servant!

THE DISCIPLES IDENTIFY WHO THE ONE GOD IS
[b]1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

THE SCRIPTURES TELL US WHO JESUS IS IN RELATION TO THAT ONE GOD
1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

brocab , jesus is the mediator between our one God and men , that is also comfirmed by the scriptures below
Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, ]who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.[]

Our one God is not pleading with himself!. read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1




If you had read the scriptures very well, you would have understood who created the heavens and earth and who he used to do the creation.
Heb 1:2Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.
Pr 8:30Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;



You have a long way to go brocab, because you think two people have similar titles it means they are the same person, you know that that is wrong analogy cus you will refuse to use it on all cases in the scriptures where two persons have same titles. Jehovah himself calls a babylonian king "king of kings" (Eze 26:7), does this mean that this king is jesus?, absolute not! so stop using similarities in titles whenever it suits you, refusing to look at what the scriptures say about those titles.

Re 1:17When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last,
Re 1:18and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave.
you did not read those verses with insight, cus if you did, something must have clicked in your head and direct you to the scriptures that says God cannot die, therefore this person who claims to be dead is not the God that cannot die!

If you had studied further, you would have known why he is first and the last.

What first and last was he ?
Ac 26:23that the Christ was to suffer and that as the first to be resurrected from the dead, he was going to proclaim light both to this people and to the nations.”
Col 1:18and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;
Re 1:5and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood
Re 2:8“And to the angel of the congregation in Smyrʹna write: These are the things that he says, ‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to life again:


brocab, the writer of exodus, deut and isaiah did not use the word "ego eimi" , the word is Greek and they did not write in Greek, so stop lying!

ego eimi (Ancient Greek: ἐγώ εἰμί Greek pronunciation: [eɡɔ̌ː eːmí]) "I am", "I exist",is the first person singular present tense of the verb "to be" in ancient Greek.

you listed scriptures where jesus used that word in a sentence, you could not quote the full sentence, cus it will show how much of a dubious person you are.
If the use of "ego eimi" means that that person is God, then John the babtist is "I AM" (matt 3: 11), and the army officer is also " I AM" ( MATT 8: 8 ).
brocab, can you see how the scriptures exposes false , derived teachings, your theories are selective and cannot be allied in all cases!


Brocab, read the scriptures and know why jesus is judge, it was because God apointed him to be a judge!

joh 5:22For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,

Ac 17:31Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”

you open the bible, searching for points you think supports your theory, you do not read to understand. searching for similarities does not help!. Jesus would not have been judge if his father, the only true God , had not appointed him to judge.



Again you refuse to read the scriptures, who made jesus king, his father , his God !
Lu 1:32This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, []and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father
Lu 1:33and he will rule as King over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end to his Kingdom.”

Jer 23:5“Look! The days are coming,” declares Jehovah, “when I will raise up to David a righteous sprout. And a king will reign and show insight and uphold justice and righteousness in the land.
Mt 1:1The book of the history of Jesus Christ, son of David, son of Abraham:


IF YOU HAD READ THE SCRIPTURES, YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN HOW JESUS CAME TO BE KING
Da 7:13, 14“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.14 [e]And to him there were given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed.

1Co 15:25For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet.


Who do you think appointed jesus as savior, who do you think sends savior to save us, it is the father, the God of mercies, JeHovah.
Ne 9:27For this you gave them into the hand of their adversaries, who kept causing them distress. But they would cry out to you in the time of their distress, []and you would hear from the heavens; and because of your great mercy, you would give them saviors to rescue them out of the hand of their adversaries.

Jg 3:9When the Israelites called to Jehovah for help, Jehovah raised up a savior to rescue the Israelites, Othʹni·el the son of Keʹnaz, the younger brother of Caʹleb.

JUST AS NUMEROUS TIMES DURING THOSE DAYS, JEHOVAH TOO HAD SENT JESUS TO SAVE US
King James Version
1Jo 4:14And we have seen and do testify that []the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

King James Version
Ac 5:31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour,for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

no wonder jesus knew the true source of our saving acts, he knew who to pray to, follow his lead!
King James Version
Heb 5:7Who in the days of his flesh, when []he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
Go read up on the word " Shepherd and how the scriptures used it, even those who lead in the congregation are called Shepherdsomething, does it mean they are God, No!.
God gave his followers to jesus, jesus took care of God's sheep!


You case is getting desperate brocab. You are just looking for similarities , refusing to read the scriptures extensively with an open mind. The scriptures below will help you.
Isa 45:7I form light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, Jehovah, am doing all these things.

1Jo 1:5This is the message that we heard from him and are announcing to you: God is light, and there is no darkness at all in him.

Jas 1:17Every good gift and every perfect present is from above, coming down from the Father of the celestial lights, who does not vary or change like the shifting shadows.

Ps 36:9With you is the source of life; By your light we can see light.
From the above scriptures I hope you see who is the source of light.

let's see what that person who is the source of light say about jesus when he prophesied about his servant he will send.
Isa 42:6, 7“I, Jehovah, have called you in righteousness; I have taken hold of your hand. I will safeguard you and give you as a covenant for the people And as a light of the nations, 7For you to open the blind eyes, To bring the prisoner out of the dungeon And those sitting in darkness out of the prison.

Can you see how Jehovah, the source of light made jesus to be a light of the world? Read Isa 9:1, 2, Mt 4:13-16.

someone said while jesus was a baby
[b]Lu 2:28he took the child into his arms and praised God and said:
Lu 2:29“Now, Sovereign Lord, you are letting your slave go in peace according to your declaration,
Lu 2:30 because my eyes have seen your means of salvation
Lu 2:31that you have prepared in the sight of all the peoples,
Lu 2:32 a light for removing the veil from the nations and a glory of your people Israel.”

Even if you think being a light of the world means you are God , it means those jesus was talking to in the verse below are God too!, and we all know it's false
[b]Mt 5:14“ You are the light of the world. A city cannot be hid when located on a mountain.


yes , case is really closed. Go and read the scriptures and stop looking for similarities!

Jesus has a God superior to him, his father who he is subjected to, he calls his father his God, and he had Identified the father as our God too, the only true God. do not change who jesus says is the only true God, do not add to it!

BROCAB, CAN YOU SEE THE LOW LEVEL YOU AND YOUR BROTHER HAD RESORT TO, YOU HAD TO ALTER MY POST, EDITING OUT A LARGE PART OF IT,(ALL THOSE WRITTEN IN RED)EXPECIALLY THE PARTS THAT CONTAIN SCRIPTURES THAT EXPOSES YOU SO THAT YOU REPLY.

solite3:
shame on you dolphinheart, everyone knows you are the liar.

and yet you could not bring up one instance where I lied

You are becoming more absurd by the day. Facts are presented to you which you always ignore only to start your usual accusation.

give me one instance of facts given that I ignored.

If the scriptures call yahweh the only true God does it not make other gods false gods? Yet you cannot answer. Shm

I've answered you and I will answer you again, the answer is no!

brocab:
No one can remove, what you haven't written down in the first place, lies upon lies is always the case with your kind of so called Christian.
Jehovah Witnesses are not baptised, are "NOT" Baptised in the Name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, Jehovah Witnesses are required to agree that in addition to dictating their life to Jehovah their dedication identifies them as a Jehovah Witness in association with God's Spirit-dictated organisation.
No-wonder you don't write anything-we could remove in the first place..

are you saying he does not remove parts of my posts, expecially scriptures I quoted when quoting me?, do you want to lie again with glaring evidences that he does edit my post when quoting me?

solite3:
you cant stop accusing me wrongly. Can you point out a single question that i didnt answer?
Dolphinheart Jesus is the Almighty all being bow at the mention of his name and someday you will bow either in peace or in pieces God has sworn it. Leave that darkness you call jehovah witness God is pleased when you honor and worship his son rejecting Jesus means incuring God's full and undiluted wrath.
For he that accept not the Son makes God a liar because he believed not on the son.

I did not accuse you wrongly , and I'll prove it by pointing to questions I've asked you and you did not answer

(1.) 12:24am On Dec 01
[b]A. "the scriptures tells us that Jesus was given that power, maybe you missed that part. despite that power given to him, he is still subjected to his God. do you know who is God is?"

B. "Is Jesus not a servant of God, I remember Jehovah calling Jesus his servant in his prophecy?"
C. "what the difference between begotten son and son?"
D. "brocab your brother does not believe Jesus is the son of God, why you guys have different beliefs?"

(2) 3:41pm On Nov 26
A. "if Satan is not a god, plus tell us who is the god of this world?"


(3)  11:47am On Nov 13
A. "Ps 82:1God takes his place in the divine assembly; In the middle of the gods he judges:
explain the above verse!"
B."De 10:17 For Jehovah your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the God great, mighty, and awe-inspiring, who treats none with partiality and does not accept a bribe.
Is Jehovah a God of false God's? answer : NO!, So who are the gods that Jehovah is a God of?"

(4) : 1:20pm On Nov 10
A.. "Are you saying God is in the midst of false God's?"
B "so which heaven was that verse talking about?"
C "who did that verse identify as our God?"
D "who did Jesus identify as the only true God?"

pls confirm if the following answers are right or wrong, your refusal to confirm means they are right
E. "did Jesus say he and the father are one God? No"
F. "Did jess request that his disciples be one just as he and the father are one? Yes"
G. "does the disciples being one mean they are one person or human? No"
H. "did Jesus request that the disciples become one with him and the father? Yes"
I. "Does this mean they become God? no?"
J. "does this mean they become one God or part of the persons in one god? No"


K." you scratched my statement, are you saying they are false, are you saying Jehovah sits in the midst of false gods?
Your answer is very important."

L."pls snow where I said " the devil is God"

M. "I asked a simple question, you refused to answer: Is the god of these world an idol?"[/b]

The evidence of questions I asked you and you refused to answer, plus the date and time they where asked on this thread are provided above. Note that they are listed and numbered. pls post where you answered each one and the answer you gave so that all can see if you answered or tried to divert from answering.

brocab:
I don't know how you think Dolphinheart-your mind is else where-when trying to understand the scriptures. Where do you get this rubbish from?

I got it from the scriptures and it is not rubbish, jesus did give up his spirit and the scriptures said so. In providing a ramsome sacrifice, jesus gave his life and died, this are not derived statements , this are directs statements from the scriptures which you cannot refute or give contrary explanation.

Dolphinheart-2. HE GAVE UP HIS SPIRIT
You posted John 19: 30, but in you bid to formulate falsehood out of it, you failed to listen to what that verse is telling you.
Joh 19:30When he had received the sour wine, Jesus said: “It has been accomplished!” and bowing his head, he gave up his spirit.
King James Version
Joh 19:30When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Did you see the underlined above?, it did not say Jesus left his body using only his spirit, it did not say Jesus continued living as a spirit, it said Jesus GAVE UP his spirit, if you give something up, IT'S NO LONGER YOURS, look another verse on the same issue

yes the above are true, jesus died after giving up the ghost (as said in kjv), it did not say jesus was still alive but only his flesh died.
resurrection is for the dead!

3. JESUS GAVE UP HIS LIFE
It is more clear when we realise that Jesus had to give up his life for us, not just his flesh , not just his blood , BUT HIS LIFE.
FOR YOU CLAIM THAT JESUS WAS STILL ALIVE AFTER HE DIED, THEN YOU ARE CALLING JESUS A LIAR, THAT JESUS DID NOT GIVE UP HIS LIFE, THAT HE STILL HELD ON TO IT BUT ONLY GAVE UP HIS BODY.

another true fact supported by the scriptures.

In your bid to run away from the scriptures you can't explain , you removed some scriptures I quoted to you when you typed my own post in your reply
1.  do not understand why Jesus said the words above, pls start by reading this verse below
Heb 5:7 During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear.

2. but we know that the scriptures and Jesus did not lie, therefore it is you that is lying, trying to give false doctrines by twisting the scriptures.
1Jo 3:16By this we have come to know love, because that one surrendered his life for us, and we are under obligation to surrender our lives for our brothers.

Joh 15:13No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his life in behalf of his friends.

2and go on walking in love, just as the Christ also loved us and gave himself for us as an offering and a sacrifice, a sweet fragrance to God.

From reading the scriptures above, and many more not quoted, a sincere person will know that Jesus gave up more than just his flesh!

If Jesus didn't give up His Spirit-then why did God raise Him up from the dead {Acts 2:24, 1 Corinthians 6:14, Romans 8:11} {Mark 16:19} After the Lord had spoken unto them {Disciples} He was received up into heaven.

No one said jesus did not give up his spirit, therefore your question is off point.
God raised jesus from the dead because jesus was dead!

shame on you brocab, in other to hide a very important point from Mark 16:19, you refused to fully quote it, you are full of dubious behaviours.
King James Bible
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
WE ALL KNOW FULLY WELL THAT JESUS IS NOT THE GOD HE IS SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF!

We all know also that JESUS ascension to heaven to meet his God, our God, the only true God, the most high God, occurred after his resurrection, not while he was dead!

So you believe Jesus no-longer exist-once He gave up His Spirit that's it "finished?

as a person yes, the scriptures says when your spirit goes out, your thoughts perish!

I say not bad for a dead man-after He was crucified, and He was later seen by His disciples, "alive" and living, and God had taken Him up unto Heaven, and Jesus sits on God's right hand side?

Your dubious ways wunt allow you to acknowledge that jesus resurrected from the dead before he was later seen alive and living. you keep denying the fact that jesus gave his life in exchange for us.

You still try avoid The questions and refuse to explain the scriptures shown to you.

THE QUESTIONS ARE STILL PENDING, YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER THEM.
THE QUESTIONS ARE SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND, STOP YOUR DUBIOUS TACTICS, THE QUESTIONS ARE SIMPLE AND ARE NUMBERED , ANSWER IT!

1.How do we know the truth if two people give contrary answers and both claim God spirit told them?

2. Jo 5:20And we know that the (1) Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2) him that is true, and we are in (3) him that is true, (4) even in (5) his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
now brocab, pls tell us:
2A. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red
2B. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue
2C. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red
2D. what do you understand by the underlined "even In his son" in (4)
2E. who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.

(2)YOU COULD NOT SUBSTANTIATE YOUR ACCUSATION BY POINTING TO A SCRIPTURE THAT I HAVE TWISTED IN THAT POST.

(3)YON COULD NOT DENY MY ACCUSATIONS IN THAT POST.

(4) YOU COULD NOT GIVE CONTRARY EXPLANATION TO ANY SCRIPTURE I QUOTED IN THAT POST

(5) YOU COULD NOT EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES OR FAULT MY EXPLANATION WHEN I USED THE SCRIPTURES TO SHOW YOU WHO THE TRUE GOD IS, WHO THE ONE GOD IS.

[b]Jesus HIMSELF IDENTIFIED WHO THE TRUE GOD IS.
Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
* Jesus identified the true to you, his next words excludes him from the only person who is the true God, the true God sent him, the true God did not send himself, he sent his servant!

THE DISCIPLES IDENTIFY WHO THE ONE GOD IS 
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

THE SCRIPTURES TELL US WHO Jesus IS IN RELATION TO THAT ONE GOD
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

brocab , Jesus is the mediator between our one God and men , that is also comfirmed by the scriptures below
Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.

Our one God is not pleading with himself!. read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1

below is the scripture I quoted, a scripture you cannot explain :

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

And I supported my explanation of that scripture with the following scripture.
[b]Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1

Heb 9:24For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, [color=blue]so that he now appears before God on our behalf.

The above verses are true brocab, even Daniel saw the vision of the son of man being granted audience with the ancient of days! Jesus appears before God , Jesus is not God that he appears before!

brocab:
What is the difference between a video and someone writing on this page-you don't believe in the bible any way.

difference between video and this thread.
1. you can discuss on points brought forward on this thread, you can't discuss with a video
2. you can ask questions, seek better explanations with someone posting on this thread, you can't do it with a video.

So what makes you true to your words, everything you have written has caused an argument between the Word Of God and your father the devil.

It's the scriptures brocab, the scriptures helps us to know if our words are true or false. For example I've used to scriptures to identify who the only true God, the one true God is, I quoted where he was identified in the scriptures, where the scriptures directly, without modification, without indirect analogy call this person the only true God, the one God, our God. adding anything extra to those direct words would only resort to falsehood.
You do not accept who the scriptures say and directly identifies as the only true God, you do accept who the disciples call our one God!

The only problem you have-you don't reason very well, even after the answers are written down, you are to blind to see them, reason, because they are not written in your Magazine.

I've never seen anyone who would go to any lent so as not to answer simple questions in the way it was asked like you are trying to do.
There was a time I asked you to explain up to like 10 scriptures, every time I asked you to explain them, you vehemently refuse.

And the fact is, it is not a lie-but the truth. JW's are not allowed to study any other bible's, nor with anybody out side their organisation, but only their own.
Why because the organisation are afraid to loose their fiances.

STOP LYING BROCAB!

you yourself can see that you still refuse to quote psalms 83: 18 from the kjv.

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brocab:
Watch this if you dare? We can study the scriptures by watching the debate video.
But if you aren't willing to do so, you will always be in darkness like the other video shows you and your comrades are.
How can God keep His blessings upon you, if you are choosing not to believe in the Word of God...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5JnngqQYvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh2CxhzN7Vc.

brocab, anyone can do a video of anything, it does not mean it is true. I cannot discuss with a video, but I can discuss with you on this thread, exposing your false doctrines , nearly all , if not all of jehovahs witnesses have quoted from the KJV on this thread, it is a big lie that they will be disfellowshipped if they read it, BROCAB STOP LYING PLS.

UNike you, they could quote psalm 83: 18 from the KJV, something that you refuse to do even after request was made many times!

brocab:
Dolphinheart-but you do not believe Jesus died , or do you?, for your false doctrines to stand you had to modify what Jesus said, trying to claim that it's his flesh that died and not him, I even when Jesus clearly said that he was dead!

What did Jesus say up on the cross {John 19:30} It is finished, He bowed His head, and gave up His Spirit. Meaning His Spirit didn't die, but His flesh did.
{Matthew 10:28} And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul.
So Jesus Spirit left the flesh, and gave up His Spirit..

I shake my head at you, you refuse to read or explain the scriptures quoted to you while you desperately try to twist others, adding to it what it did not tell you!
BROCAB, READ THE SCRIPTURES AND UNDERSTAND.

1. JESUS DIED
Ro 14:9 For to this end Christ died and came to life again, so that he might be Lord over both the dead and the living.
brocab, the scriptures wunt say Jesus came to life again if he still had life when he died.

2. HE GAVE UP HIS SPIRIT
You posted John 19: 30, but in you bid to formulate falsehood out of it, you failed to listen to what that verse is telling you.
Joh 19:30When he had received the sour wine, Jesus said: “It has been accomplished!” and bowing his head, he gave up his spirit.
King James Version
Joh 19:30When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Did you see the underlined above?, it did not say Jesus left his body using only his spirit, it did not say Jesus continued living as a spirit, it said Jesus GAVE UP his spirit, if you give something up, IT'S NO LONGER YOURS, look another verse on the same issue
Mt 27:50Again Jesus called out with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit.
King James Version
Mt 27:50Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

If you give up your spirit, it means you(the person) are dead, you have died!
Ps 146:4His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish.

Ps 104:29When you hide your face, they are disturbed. If you take away their spirit, they die and return to the dust.

Lu 23:46And Jesus called out with a loud voice and said: “Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit.” After he said this, he expired

brocab, the scriptures said Jesus expired!, not his flesh expired. JESUS, AS A PERSON EXPIRED, DIED!

If you do not understand why Jesus said the words above, pls start by reading this verse below
[b]Heb 5:7 During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear.

3. JESUS GAVE UP HIS LIFE
It is more clear when we realise that Jesus had to give up his life for us, not just his flesh , not just his blood , BUT HIS LIFE.
FOR YOU CLAIM THAT JESUS WAS STILL ALIVE AFTER HE DIED, THEN YOU ARE CALLING JESUS A LIAR, THAT JESUS DID NOT GIVE UP HIS LIFE, THAT HE STILL HELD ON TO IT BUT ONLY GAVE UP HIS BODY.

But we know that the scriptures and jesus did not lie, therefore it is you that is lying, trying to give false doctrines by twisting the scriptures.
1Jo 3:16By this we have come to know love, because that one surrendered his life for us, and we are under obligation to surrender our lives for our brothers.

Joh 15:13No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his life in behalf of his friends.

2and go on walking in love, just as the Christ also loved us and gave himself for us as an offering and a sacrifice, a sweet fragrance to God.

From reading the scriptures above, and many more not quoted, a sincere person will know that Jesus gave up more than just his flesh!

Dolphinheart-[b]Jesus HIMSELF IDENTIFIED WHO THE TRUE GOD IS.
Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God,and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
* Jesus identified the true to you, his next words excludes him from the only person who is the true God, the true God sent him, the true God did not send himself, he sent his servant!

Maybe it's about time you asked the Lord into your life-and let Him teach you the Scriptures instead of trying to work them out from your own mind, Jesus had claimed through out the bible who He really is. Here's a very good example read {Isaiah 9:6} For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is Given, and the Government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The prince of peace.

You are a very cunning fellow, I showed you who the true God, the one God, our God is , using the scriptures, you could not counter my explanation or give your own understanding of those verses. you want to see if you can change the issue to who Jesus is instead of who the only true God , the one God is as shown to you by the scriptures. Once the truth is being shown to you in the scriptures, you try to avoid it.

THE QUESTIONS ARE STILL PENDING, YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER THEM.
THE QUESTIONS ARE SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND, STOP YOUR DUBIOUS TACTICS, THE QUESTIONS ARE SIMPLE AND ARE NUMBERED , ANSWER IT!

1.How do we know the truth if two people give contrary answers and both claim God spirit told them?

2. Jo 5:20And we know that the (1) Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2) him that is true, and we are in (3) him that is true, (4) even in (5) his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
now brocab, pls tell us:
2A. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red
2B. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue
2C. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red
2D. what do you understand by the underlined "even In his son" in (4)
2E. who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.

(2)YOU COULD NOT SUBSTANTIATE YOUR ACCUSATION BY POINTING TO A SCRIPTURE THAT I HAVE TWISTED IN THAT POST.

(3)YON COULD NOT DENY MY ACCUSATIONS IN THAT POST.

(4) YOU COULD NOT GIVE CONTRARY EXPLANATION TO ANY SCRIPTURE I QUOTED IN THAT POST

(5) YOU COULD NOT EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES OR FAULT MY EXPLANATION WHEN I USED THE SCRIPTURES TO SHOW YOU WHO THE TRUE GOD IS, WHO THE ONE GOD IS.

[b]Jesus HIMSELF IDENTIFIED WHO THE TRUE GOD IS.
Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
* Jesus identified the true to you, his next words excludes him from the only person who is the true God, the true God sent him, the true God did not send himself, he sent his servant!

THE DISCIPLES IDENTIFY WHO THE ONE GOD IS 
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

THE SCRIPTURES TELL US WHO Jesus IS IN RELATION TO THAT ONE GOD
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

brocab , Jesus is the mediator between our one God and men , that is also comfirmed by the scriptures below
Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.

Our one God is not pleading with himself!. read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1



For someone who reasons, if you want to correct someone, you first point to where the mistake was made, then add your corrections, at no time have i ever said jesus is the mediator of god the devil. Therefore, your correction Comes out of a dubious intent, to make it look as if I said something I did not say!

below is the scripture I quoted, a scripture you cannot explain :

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

And I supported my explanation of that scripture with the following scripture.
Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1

ill also add this verse for emphasis
[b]Heb 9:24For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, so that he now appears before God on our behalf.

The above verses are true brocab, even Daniel saw the vision of the son of man being granted audience with the ancient of days! Jesus appears before God , Jesus is not God that he appears before![/quote]

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

You cannot help but lie,
if there is something wrong that I said in my post then show it

I said it's you that's the lie lie
I said almighty-mighty God is the one true God
I said Jesus body died, His Spirit(God) did not
I said Jesus is the first and the last
I said mind you it's not suprising that a false jw who believes that
the titles almighty God, and mighty God, are titles for two diffrent god's,
to also believe that there are two first and lasts

even the title: the first and the last,
suggests one,
one God.

and I gave some scriptures,
so question me on what I said or continue lying
of course whatever you choose to do it will contain lies, won't it lie lie
you speaking lies, is you speaking naturally

it's easy to see that the reason I refused to respond is not about what you said, but your deliberate editing of my post when quoting me, you deliberate removal of the scriptures I quoted shows you know that an attempt to talk about them will expose you.

solite3:
i have successfully answered your questions. You have to study the bible and abadon watch tower only then will you understand what we have been saying

I wonder when you will stop lying.

brocab:
If your authorities found out you were reading the KJV bible or any other bible in this matter-instead of reading the Watchtower magazines, you would be caste out, from the JW's organisation.
Now this is the truth.

YOU CAN LIE!

brocab:
And if they are all numbered than you answer them yourself. I have answered your questions, all you need to do is read the bible and correct the Word Of God, and do yourself a favor get your dirty mind out of the Watchtower magazines and stop wasting my time.

You have once again shown that
(1)YOU CANNOT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS POSED TO YOU, KNOWING FULLY WELL THAT ANSWERING THEM WILL EXPOSE YOU
THE QUESTIONS ARE SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND, STOP YOUR DUBIOUS TACTICS, THE QUESTIONS ARE SIMPLE AND ARE NUMBERED , ANSWER IT!

1.How do we know the truth if two people give contrary answers and both claim God spirit told them?

2. Jo 5:20And we know that the (1) Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2) him that is true, and we are in (3) him that is true, (4) even in (5) his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
now brocab, pls tell us:
2A. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red
2B. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue
2C. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red
2D. what do you understand by the underlined "even In his son" in (4)
2E. who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.

(2)YOU COULD NOT SUBSTANTIATE YOUR ACCUSATION BY POINTING TO A SCRIPTURE THAT I HAVE TWISTED IN THAT POST.

(3)YON COULD NOT DENY MY ACCUSATIONS IN THAT POST.

(4) YOU COULD NOT GIVE CONTRARY EXPLANATION TO ANY SCRIPTURE I QUOTED IN THAT POST

(5) YOU COULD NOT EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES OR FAULT MY EXPLANATION WHEN I USED THE SCRIPTURES TO SHOW YOU WHO THE TRUE GOD IS, WHO THE ONE GOD IS.

[b]Jesus HIMSELF IDENTIFIED WHO THE TRUE GOD IS.
Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
* Jesus identified the true to you, his next words excludes him from the only person who is the true God, the true God sent him, the true God did not send himself, he sent his servant!

THE DISCIPLES IDENTIFY WHO THE ONE GOD IS 
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

THE SCRIPTURES TELL US WHO Jesus IS IN RELATION TO THAT ONE GOD
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

brocab , Jesus is the mediator between our one God and men , that is also comfirmed by the scriptures below
Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.

Our one God is not pleading with himself!. read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1

Allow me to correct you, Jesus isn't the mediator of your little "a" god the devil.

For someone who reasons, if you want to correct someone, you first point to where the mistake was made, then add your corrections, at no time have i ever said jesus is the mediator of god the devil. Therefore, your correction Comes out of a dubious intent, to make it look as if I said something I did not say!

below is the scripture I quoted, a scripture you cannot explain :

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

And I supported my explanation of that scripture with the following scripture.
Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1

ill also add this verse for emphasis
[b]Heb 9:24For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, so that he now appears before God on our behalf.

The above verses are true brocab, even Daniel saw the vision of the son of man being granted audience with the ancient of days! Jesus appears before God , Jesus is not God that he appears before!

This is what the bible says For we believe that Jesus died and rose again {1 Thessalonians 4:14, 1 Corinthians 15:4, 2 Corinthians 5:15, Luke 24 Jesus had risen}
It's about time you had admitted Jesus was the one who was dead-and of course He is the one that {Revelation 1:17-18} Talks about-I AM HE THAT LIVES, AND WAS DEAD, AND BEHOLD I AM ALIVE FOREVERMORE.

but you do not believe Jesus died , or do you?, for your false doctrines to stand you had to modify what Jesus said, trying to claim that it's his flesh that died and not him, I even when Jesus clearly said that he was dead!

solite3:
i m not interested in your lies. i m only interested in bursting them.

that's what they say when they see that answering some questions will expose them!, they claim not interested.

simple request that you should modify your post so that when one quotes you , your words can be seen, you refuse to do so, so that you cannot be quoted.

brocab:
Again you have rejected the Word Of God-I have answered who the Son of God is-and still you refuse to recognise my answer-the Son of God is Jesus. And Him is the Son of God and the Father together as One. {John 5:20}

BROCAB, THE QUESTIONS ARE SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND, STOP YOUR DUBIOUS TACTICS, THE QUESTIONS ARE SIMPLE AND ARE NUMBERED , ANSWER IT!
How do we know the truth if two people give contrary answers and both claim God spirit told them?

2. Jo 5:20And we know that the (1) Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2) him that is true, and we are in (3) him that is true, (4) even in (5) his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
now brocab, pls tell us:
2A. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red
2B. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue
2C. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red
2D. what do you understand by the underlined "even In his son" in (4)
2E who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.

THE QUESTIONS ARE NUMBERED IN A SIMPLE MANNER , ANSWER THEM ONE BY ONE IN THAT MANNER!

And again you have showed the world you have a great hatred for the truth, that you are trying to twist the scriptures around-only because you haven't a clue what the meaning of them are, and if you had the Spirit of God living inside you, you wouldn't reject any thing that is written about the truth..

Point to one scripture in that post that I have twisted, it's not good enough to just lay accusations without supplying evidence.
All the scriptures I quoted in that post are from the scriptures, you refuse to quote yours.
All the scriptures quoted have not been modified.
All the scriptures quoted are in reference to the issue under discussion.

You could not give contrary explanation to any, not even one of the scriptures I quoted.
You mention scriptures, put when one reads it, we find out it is contrary to what you are saying, no wonder you dnt quote them.

Your are a false accuser and a false prophet Dolphinheart.

In that post I accused of saying several times that Jesus is not the son of God!. I've proven that my accusations are right, I've supplied evidence of where and when you made the statement.

On that post, I've accused you of not answering questions, you refusal to answer the questions above is a good example.

on that same post, I accused you of lying when you said that i refuse to believe that There is only One true God.
I not only busted your lie, showING you what I believe, but I also showed you scriptures that support my statements and my belief. those scriptures you cannot find fault with neither are you willing to explain them, cus if you try it, it will expose you.

[b]Jesus HIMSELF IDENTIFIED WHO THE TRUE GOD IS.
Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
* Jesus identified the true to you, his next words excludes him from the only person who is the true God, the true God sent him, the true God did not send himself, he sent his servant!

THE DISCIPLES IDENTIFY WHO THE ONE GOD IS 
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

THE SCRIPTURES TELL US WHO Jesus IS IN RELATION TO THAT ONE GOD
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

brocab , Jesus is the mediator between our one God and men , that is also comfirmed by the scriptures below
Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.

Our one God is not pleading with himself!. read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1

Every true Christian knows Jesus came in the flesh to live amongst men, Jesus's flesh died on the cross, Jesus was risen, not the Father, God didn't die, God is Spirit, the Father isn't coming back, but the Son, Every eye will see the Son of Man returning the way He was taken up into the clouds.
Every eye will see the Lord coming in the clouds {Revelation 1:7}
{Luke 21:27} At that time they will see the Son of man coming in the clouds, with power and great glory.

BROCAB, JESUS DIED!, the bible said it several times, it said Jesus died, Jesus is dead, even Jesus comfirmed It that he was dead, the disciples say Jesus was killed!, NO VERSE EVER SAID JESUS WAS ALIVE DURING THE TIME HE SAID HE WAS DEAD, NO VERSE EVER SAID IT'S ONLY HIS FLESH THAT DIED.

I WAS DEAD, JESUS SAID, NOT MY FLESH WAS DEAD!, THE PERSON CALLED JESUS DIED!

AND WE ALL KNOW GOD CANNOT DIE!


look at Jehovah's prophecy about Jesus
Isa 53:12For that reason I will assign him a portion among the many, And he will apportion the spoil with the mighty, Because he poured out his life even to death And was counted among the transgressors; He carried the sin of many people, And he interceded for the transgressors.
Brocab, Jesus gave his life, not only his flesh!

that is why he died!
King James Version
Mr 15:37And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.


When Jesus was resurrected, he went to heaven, was exalted by God and sat at the right hand of God. Jesus did not sit at the right hand of himself , neither did God sit at the right hand of himself, Jesus was told by God to sit at hia right hand!