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shadeyinka:
Only Grace or Death will clear your ....impression!

I honestly need to do some more productive things rather than going round and round this small circle.

Shalom

shadeyinka:
-The lake of Fire is Gods refuse Dump.
-Everything that is useless to God is thrown into the Lake of Fire.

-Since Hell (a place for ungodly souls) is no more needed because it is superceeded by the the lake of Fire it is no more useful to God (note that hell is not the grave else the sea also would be cast into the lake of fire)

I believe the implication is that:
1. No more death
2. No more sin

I am sure your argument is that hell will burn up like paper.....that ONLY God can say

But Jesus teaching is very clear on hell.
He referee to it as OUTER DARKNESS where there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

On Trinity of Man, just type shadeyinka trinity you will find my understanding explained.

shadeyinka:
We go round and round a circle because
I believe in the Triune State of Man
You believe in the Unitary State of Man

Ourbpoint of view of existence is radically different... Let's drop it.

shadeyinka:
Pls read again

Gen2:17
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Am I supporting the devils statement?

Death is instantaneous
It is either you are dead or not. You and I are Alive now and not dead.

A day=1000 years is a bad bad interpretation else, we must replace every occurrence of the word one day with 1000 years. You know that it doesn't fit.

shadeyinka:
Hell is different from the lake of Fire. No one are in the lake of fire yet.

Hell is the abode of the ungodly until the day of resurrection.

shadeyinka:
You didn't answer the question. The key word was ON THE DAY YOU EAT......you shall DIE!

shadeyinka:
Isn't a vision a reality from another dimension: the spirit rhelm.

Is a vision a junk perception?

RabbaRabbi:
to crown it all, boy. There is hell and the is lake of fire. Hell is a temporal place where the devil is now. But after the judgment, he will be thrown into the lake of fire... Revelations 20:10-15

the body been mention is the physical flesh, that rots after death.

The spirit in man, is part of God that enables man to connect to God, so after death it seperates from the body and soul... Soul does not die, neither do the spirit.

RabbaRabbi:
What do you mean by all those quotations @dolphinheart?

RabbaRabbi:
the body does not go to hell. It dies here on earth. The soul goes to hell... While the spirit goes to God... Ecclesiastes 12:7

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Hell is a place of torment where the devil and his co-horts are reserved for the final judgement day...
for the final judgement day...

2 peter 2:4

shadeyinka:
1Pt3:19-20
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Who are these spirits in prison?
Aren't these spirits supposed to be dead and unconscious?
How come Christ preached to those who "cannot hear"?


I give up. We shall all die one day and the truth will be made plain

shadeyinka:
Would you please explain this scripture if your definition of death is not myopic:
with power.

2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.

3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.

4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

Moses and Elijah:
Were they resurrected?

Death is a disconnection of union in a Living Being.!

shadeyinka:
When a person dies, he goes to Sheol (Hebrew for the place of the dead)

From the new testament, we see that there is a division of Sheol into two:
Abraham's Blossom: the place where Abraham is
Hell/Outer Darkness: a place of torment.
There is a gulf between these two compartments of Sheol.

There is the lake of fire. No human is there right now till after resurrection!


I guess you believe that only one kind of death exist. How do you explain this scripture since God cannot lie:

Gen2:17
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

When Adam & Eve ate from the tree, did they die?
Was Gods word broken?

How do you symbolically explain away the reaching of Jesus and the Rich man? Was Jesus preaching a heresy?

shadeyinka:
Lake of Fire is another way of Saying "Gods Refuse Dump". If anyone's name is notbfound in the book of life, he is thrown into Gods refuse Dump!

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Infinite punishment:
Is it right or just if God were to force a Human being (who chooses not to obey God for say 100years of his life) to an eternity under His rule?

A human being is a spirit! Spirits cannot be annihilated... Spirits exist forever. In the spirit rhelm/eternity, time doesn't exist. It is just meaningless.

This means, there is not difference between 5 minutes and 5 decades for time simply doesn't exist.

Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

RabbaRabbi:
It's really hard to keep the thoughts of hell. Neither does that make it less or non-existing.

Even some so called churches are gradually wiping off the thoughts of hell from the mind of the members in the name of not getting them scared. Hell is also a piece of work which the bible highlighted on mostly.

Why does hell exist? And where?

I know you want some answers to questions that have been bothering you. Then am here for that.

Ask me your questions(based on hell: why, where and for what)

JMAN05:
Many are serving with their children in a higher institutions close to them.

What should concern you though is why discourage higher institutions, and encourage vocational schools. The former lives the student unemployed when there is no job available. Even when employed, it consumes the witness' time so that few hours is left for the Lord. (1cor 15:58). Most work studied in the Universities lack future value, they start and end here.

Another risk is that of bad association. First, bad people fill those institutions and can be a snare for a witness, but the MOST important reason is the fact that that institution is for higher learning, teachings that often contradicts the bible. These part of the curriculum could just be a borrowed course which are compulsory for the student. 1cor 15:33 is contextually against such things. The bad association Paul warned against is with regard to doctrinal matters. He was concerned that bad associates are turning and teaching Corinthians falsehood which would corrupt there good habit of truthful Christian stand. You can imagine of someone not only being around such people, but being taught falsehood with all persuasion eg evolution.

If the goal of your going into those institutions is so that you can gain a skill that would help you earn some money, why not vocational schools? Why not learn a trade? A work that will make you selfreliant and have your time for the ministry? However, such reasoning does not mean that one is forced to chose vocational education. It is strictly the decision of the head of the family to decide while not being ignorant of the risks. None is judged for any decisions he makes in this regard, for Jah will judge all. (ROM 14:10).

remiiko:
bit some of your elders are been deleted for allowing their children attend higher Institution.

Justmary06:
No, that's not what I meant. I believe you are familiar with the book of Revelation and that was the reason I actually quoted that chapter (wanted to know if she actually read the Book). Anyway, right there in Rev 20 After the dragon (who happen to b satan) was thrown into the well of Abyss and sealed, then released and thrown into the lake fire - where the Beast and the false prophet was previously thrown. Then the judgement

"I saw a Great White Throne and the One Enthroned. Nothing could stand before or against the Presence, nothing in Heaven, nothing on earth. And then I saw all the dead, great and small, standing there—before the Throne! And books were opened. Then another book was opened: the Book of Life. The dead were judged by what was written in the books, by the way they had lived. SEA released its dead, DEATH and HELL (aka HADES) turned in their dead. Each man and woman was judged by the way he or she had lived. Then Death and Hell (Hades) were hurled into Lake Fire. This is the second death—Lake Fire. Anyone whose name was not found inscribed in the Book of Life was hurled into Lake Fire.
Revelation 20:11-15 MSG

That's what I meant by in between. Souls which are currently neither resting nor mortally alive. Souls that are trapped with Death and Hades. We all would be judged at the same time which is way after:

The opening of the seven seal (The SIXTH, tribulations where only 144,000 were sealed on their forehead and excluded REV 7)

The sound of the seven trumpet where those who were saved from tribulation would be excluded (The SIXTH, Horsemen armies who killed a third of human race and The Two witnesses REV 9 and REV 11)

The wrath of the Dragon who transfer authority to The Beast from the sea who "was permitted to make war on God’s holy people and conquer them. It held absolute sway over all tribes and peoples, tongues and races. Everyone on earth whose name was not written from the world’s foundation in the slaughtered Lamb’s Book of Life will worship the Beast." REV 13 vs 7-8 then the false prophet who give the markings of the beast name. Actually there is a riddle in that passage...to figure out the meaning of the mark Rev 13 vs 18 "Solve a riddle: Put your heads together and figure out the meaning of the number of the Beast. It’s a human number: 666."

The seven angels with seven disasters (The SIXTH, Armageddon REV 16)

Finally, The fall of the Babylon (the great city, which reigns over and dominates and controls the kings and the political leaders of the earth. REV 18), Doom of the Beast (Antichrist) and false prophet REV 19, The millennial Reign where the thousand years when Devil will be sealed in the Well of Abyss, the souls of believers slain for Christ would reign with him and the unbelievers will remain Dead REV 20 vs 4-5, then the Final Rebellion and Lastly The Final JUDGMENT. I just summarized Revelation for you and I hope you will understand what I mean better now.

just4now:
LETTER TO THE BRETHREN

The question the brother raised is an intelligent and mind boggling one. It shows he's very conversant with his Bible. He is very right but the perverts will always object sound knowledge.

Hell is a place of abode and suffering for souls who reject and live in disobedience to God directives and instructions.

All believers who refuse to learn obedience while on earth will have to go to hell to learn it because God doesn't want rebellion in Heaven again.

My heart aches for fellow believers who ignore truth of the Bible rather they prefers lies told by satanic pastors.

On judgment day hell will vomit all the occupants to face the Judge of the universe whose judgment will hinge on love of brethren ("what you have done to anyone who believes in me you have done to me" ) while disobedience is hell judged

This is the only proof to prove If you are a true Christian because if you are a genuine believer you would have known the basis of Christianity which is "LOVE ONE ANOTHER".

If you fail this test here on earth and die you are doom eternally straight to the lake of fire on the day of judgment because to fail this means you are an hypocrite not a Christian. This is second death.

Therefore hell is not eternal it's just a holding place for infidels and believers who disobey divine instructions given to them throughout their lives.

They never learn obedience through things they suffered this speaks volumes of why God forgives sins but not it's consequences. Through the consequences you suffer you are to learn not to disobey again but failure to learn is catastrophic.

But if they choose not to learn from the consequences of their sins, they must inevitably learn it in hell by suffering terribly in the hands of taskmasters the demons.

I employ, if you want to escape hell altogether when you hear His voice harden not your heart rather obey Him thus you may enter His rest otherwise there is no rest for you after death.

If you are a good Bible scholar you will observe l intentionally avoid quoting any Scripture verses yet spoke to you through them, go and do research you will find how l connected the verses to talk to you.

Hell is a terrible place to go, l plead, please avoid it like a plague. It's a domain of Satan, no love there, it's a place of cruelty and torment.

Learn to obey and follow directions of the Holy Spirit never do anything without hearing from God once he's spoken please obey Him that's how to be led by Holy Spirit. Christian are supposed to be spiritual don't tell me you can't hear His voice meaning you don't have Him or you are lazy.

Start cleaning and clearing the clog in your life by prayer and fasting start slow one day a week then increase it to twice a week. You will find you've missed a lot.

I wish above all that you prosper in your soul.

Shalom.

brandon180:
smh vigorously for all these atheists, that don't believe in God talk less of heaven n hell...d way una go burn Ehn...I Go siddon for heaven dey laff....
FYI all dese Jehovah witnesses shouting there is no hell....ur founder is there in hell suffering....if una like no change.......




ANYONE THAT SAYS THERE IS NO GOD AND DOES NOT BELEIVE IN ETERNITY IS A FOOL..
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#peace

Justmary06:
The truth according to the bible, no one is presently in hell. Judgement has not taken place. What we have now is souls trapped inbetween. The ones who wer godly and dead now are just asleep. In revelations, Jesus reveled to John that the dead would be judge first with only those souls asleep ascending to heaven. Other souls are facing hell. Such soul cannot gain forgiveness. Then after, those living will be judged but the ones who do not make it will be given second chance. And that's tribulation before the souls would be separated again. You could read it, its pretty interesting.

For instance, I stumbled on this is morning...Revelation 20:1-3 "Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while."

FriendChoice:
don't be a Fool, I should tell you which word was falsely remove don't you read the reply, don't you read who removed it, don't you read what they said it's interpolation, concoction and fabrication.

Concerning scientific error, you requested for one, here you get it

If we read, in Ezra Ch. No. 2, Verse No. 65, it says…There were 200 singing men and women - Nehemiah Ch. No. 7, Verse No. 67…‘There were 245 singing men and women.’ Were they 200 - or were they 245 singing men and women? Context is the same - A mathematical contradiction.

Genesis, 1 st Ch., it is mentioned - It says… ‘Almighty God created the Heavens and the Earth, in six days and talks about a evening and a morning, referring to a 24 -
hour day.

Today scientists tell us, that the universe cannot be created in a 24 hour period of six days. Qur’an too speaks about six ‘ayyams’ . The Arabic word singular is ‘yaum’ plural is ‘ayyam’ . It can either mean a day of 24 hours, or it is a very long period, an ‘yaum’ , an epoch.
Scientists say we have no objection in agreeing that the universe - it could have been created in 6 very long periods.

FriendChoice:
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I don't have time to write much. Produce a single chapter of Quran

Produce any older version of Quran

The first Hebrew Bible was no where to be found, the present day Hebrew Bible is a translation from English

The Quran is logical with signs which prove science of earth, big bang and many more. Which Bible fails.

Changes occur in the Bible, the word begotten son has been removed The Revised Standard Version has been revised by 32 Christian Scholars of the highest eminence, backed by 50 different co- operating denominations and these Scholars have removed this blasphemous word without any ceremony as an interpolation, concoction, fabrication, and adulteration.

and many more errors in Bible.

dueal:
Mohammed and his followers trying to score cheap points since 500AD and if they cannot they try to find the weak and impose it on them by force. Sorry, no can do.

FriendChoice:
Present the first version of the Bible It cannot be found, the first revelation written in Hebrew. Not the translated English to Hebrew.

You did not understand what I mean by writing here, If I speak and you write, it's my word not yours. SECONDLY If I write something and you copy it, you're still writing it but it doesn't mean you authored it.

No sir the Quran was written since when he is alive, when a revelation came, he recite it to his companion and they write it down, what happens after his death, is the compilation of what is written by the companions into a single book.

[b] [Quran 15:9] Absolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it.

[Quran 56:77-80] This is an honorable Quran. In a protected book. None can grasp it except the sincere. A revelation from the Lord of the universe.

’We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). (Al-Hijr :9)

And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a single chapter like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides God, if your (doubts) are true. But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.’’ (Al-Baqara : 23-24)


“Say: ‘If all mankind and the jinn would come together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce its like even though they exerted all and their strength in aiding one another.’” (Quran 17:88) [/b]

If you don't believe, bring any previous version of the Quran (Old testament of Quran)


If you still don't believe, why not answer Allah challenge to mankind and Jins, produced a single chapter like Quran.

If you cannot then fair Allah and obey him so that you will be saved from hell.


This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed my favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion. Qur'an, 5:3

FriendChoice:
The present Bible is corrupted. The first Bible was written in Hebrew and its no where to be found. The present day Bible you see in Hebrew is a translated one from English.

So we believe anything in the present day Bible that those not contradict the Quran.

FriendChoice:
Elaborate what you said, don't understand.

My believe as a Muslim/Islam God that revealed the Qur'an is the same God that created Jesus (pbum) and The Ingeel(Original But Bible). The Bible of today is corrupted and rewritten by men ideas not God.


Can ye (o ye men of Faith) entertain the hope that they will believe in you?- Seeing that a party of them heard the Word of Allah, and perverted it knowingly after they understood it… Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (Quran 2:75,79)

FriendChoice:
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Next time write well and make it clear with paragraphs. What point do you made now. Your God, my God, God of Jibril, Muhammad peace be upon him, God of the slave named Isah [Jesus peace be upon him is Allah. The example of Jesus is same as Adam (a.s) they were both created from dust.


There is not a single Verse in the Corrupted different versions of Bible where Jesus himself said I am God or he says worship me. Jesus was nothing but a man and servant.


إِنَّ مَثَلَ عِيسَى عِندَ اللّهِ كَمَثَلِ آدَمَ خَلَقَهُ مِن تُرَابٍ ثِمَّ قَالَ لَهُ كُن فَيَكُونُ
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Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was.


Jesus (pbum) the slave of Allah worship the God of Abraham (pbum)

مَا كَانَ إِبْرَاهِيمُ يَهُودِيّاً وَلاَ نَصْرَانِيّاً وَلَكِن كَانَ حَنِيفاً مُّسْلِماً وَمَا كَانَ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ

67. Abraham was not a Jew, nor a Christian; but he was one pure of faith and Muslim (who submitted to God with a sound heart). He was never of those who associate partners with God.13




God has glorified the servant/ the slave Jesus pbum


" The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go. Act 3:13

natkey:
But the verses I presented didn't say prostrate. They said worship. And I didn't talk about 'Lord' either. When a man prostrates before a king, he is not worshiping him.

Matthew 15:9 and Mark 7:7- You say Jesus is referring to trinitarian Christians there? That's coming from you, isn't it? That's not what the verse says. By the way, this is a quotation from Isaiah 29:13.

God is not man certainly does not mean God is man. Of course, it doesn't. But it also doesn't mean or imply that God cannot become a man. I think this is pretty plain and logical. 'I am not a farmer' does not mean 'I cannot become a farmer'. They are two different things. I think any one who's honest can agree on that.

No, the word trinity doesn't need to exist in the bible. People create words to describe ideas. Having a word for a given truth doesn't make it more true. The word 'rapture' isn't in the bible but that doesn't mean it isn't going to happen.

Smallville10:
Here is d truth... Jesus is not God of earth but d devil is...
Jesus is God d son

God is God the father
Holysprirt is God d spirit

The trinity...
You dont pray to Jesus but through Jesus becasue Jesus is d way to d father
God the father is who answers prays and whom all glory and praises goes to
The holy spirit is God of inspiration and miracles... Without d holy spirit miracles cannot work. Even Jesus had d holy spirit in him.
The holyspirit is spirit from d father. But they are all one.
Dont get me wrong here because we dont serve 3 Gods but only God d father Here is d truth... Jesus is not God of earth but d devil is...

Jesus is God d son
God is God the father
Holysprirt is God d spirit
The trinity...
You dont pray to Jesus but through Jesus becasue Jesus is d way to d father
God the father is who answers prays and whom all glory and praises goes to
The holy spirit is God of inspiration and miracles... Without d holy spirit miracles cannot work. Even Jesus had d holy spirit in him.
The holyspirit is spirit from d father. But they are all one.
Dont get me wrong here because we dont serve 3 Gods but only God d father