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 Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 3:58pm On Nov 05, 2016 |
johnw74:when you read things, read it fully, reading halfway always cause confusion. what you quoted says "Jewish national name of God" Jehovah is the name of the God of the Jews, other gods also have other names! Jehovah is a self existant God, that is why the word "the" is added. Jehovah (/dʒᵻˈhoʊvə/ jə-hoh-və) is a Latinization of the Hebrew יְהֹוָה, one vocalizationof the Tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in theHebrew Bible. wikepedia a name of God in the Old Testament, a rendering of the ineffable name, JHVH, in the Hebrew Scriptures. dictionary dot com —used as the name of Godin the Old Testament of the Bible merriam-webster dictionary LETS EVEN GO INTO THE SCRIPTURES King James Version Ps 83:18That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. American Standard Version exodus 6:3 and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty; but by my name Jehovah I was not known to them. Isa 42:8 I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images. AS YOU CAN FROM THE SCRIPTURES AND DICTIONARIES AND EVEN FROM YOUR QUOTE, JEHOVAH IS THE NAME OF THE GOD OF THE ISREALITES, JEHOVAH DOES MEAN GOD!. Stop derived analogy, it does not work, that jehovah is the only self existant God does not mean jehovah means God! 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 11:53pm On Nov 04, 2016 |
BROCAB, QUIT THIS DUBIOUS BEHAVIOR, I ASKED YOU TO TELL ME WHO JEHOVAH WAS TALKING TO, YOU KEEP ON CHANGING THE QUESTION , REFUSING TO ANSWER IT! brocab:ANSWER THE SIMPLE QUESTION, WHO WAS JEHOVAH TALKING TO, WHO WAS JEHOVAH TELLING TO SIT AT HIS RIGHT HAND! Jesus served, He was also "Called the Son of God" Truly your heart isn't with the Lord, your heart is with your organisation.WHO DID JESUS SERVE? I ask for the Holy Spirit to guild me today to answer this verse correctly, and explain to Dolphinheart the meaning of {Psalms 110:1} verse equals verse. Praise the Lord...BROCAB, PLEASE TELL WHO JEHOVAH WAS TALKING TO NA! what point was Jesus passing, you just keep beating about the bush ,refusing to answer the question! 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 11:40pm On Nov 04, 2016 |
solite3:I've responded to your post and answered your question. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 11:33pm On Nov 04, 2016*. Modified: 3:18pm On Nov 05, 2016 |
brocab:Excuse after excuse, some facts where shown to you about the kjv, you still refuse to adress them. everytime it's one excuse after another! {Matthew 4:6-10} The Devil said "If you are the Son of God" throw yourself down-did Jesus throw Himself down "NO" why because Jesus said-you shall not tempt the Lord your God.you keep on saying this false doctrine, you said jesus is not the son of God, a very big lie! jesus did not Jump, not because he is not the son of God, but he does not want to put his father, the almighty God, his God to the text . He does not want to text God to know if God will truly save him! De 6:16“You must not put Jehovah your God to the test the way you put him to the test at Masʹsah. One would think-Jesus being the Son of God would have the same authority God has, but Jesus second remarks were Satan get behind Me, for it is written you shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve..De 6:13Jehovah your God you should fear, and him you should serve, and by his name you should swear. God did give Jesus all His authority didn't He-so why didn't Jesus rebuke the Devil in His own Name the Son of God..liar, support your statement with facts. Dolphinheart-the best part about the bible is-you can't see it, to understand it, Who Jesus is..it is you that refuses to accept what the scriptures teaches JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, JESUS IS GOD'S SON. Joh 1:34And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one IS the Son of God.” This doesn't sound right? Dolphinheart writes-Later they heard the voice of Jehovah God-He was walking in the garden-Jehovah means God doesn't it? So they heard the voice of God God-He was walking in the Garden..so the scriptures does not sound right ? continue! Jehovah does not mean God! God said "I Am" to Moses-and Jesus said before Abraham was born "I Am" {John 8:58} Why would Jesus take on God's name "I Am, Shepherd, Savour, Almighty, if Jesus is just a Son..1. go and read about the Greek and Hebrew word translated to " I am " looknow at its meaning, it's different translations and the many many people who used it! 2. If the title shepherd means that that person is God, then moses is God too King James Version Isa 63:11Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him? These people where God too! Jer 23:1“Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of my pasture!” declares Jehovah. But that is not the case, the fact that you don't know that it is Jehovah who appoints those who will shepherd his flock does not mean anyone with the title of sheered is God or equal to God. Go and read what jesus said in John chapter 17, GO AND READ WHAT JESUS SAID ABOUT THE ONE WHO GAVE THE DISCIPLES(THE FLOCK HE SHEPHERDS) TO HIM! 3. Jesus was never called the almighty God, that title belongs to the father, Jehovah, his God and father!, the most high God! 4. Jesus is the only begotten son of God! he rest of the page-it shows you have lost your way... The Jewish people don't even know the Jehovah name-and if they did it should spell like Yehovahkeep on spewing false things, no vowels in Hebrew language. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by dolphinheart(m): 10:45pm On Nov 04, 2016 |
TheSixthSense:will you answer me if I asked questions about hell fire? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Angry With God Becos He Created Hellfire? by dolphinheart(m): 2:36pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
analice107:When I read your story, I feel your pain, I also had a similar experience(accident and bone fracture part only ). but sorry to say, your experience did not not answer the existence of hell fire. and if it does exist exist, it does not answer the other questions that follow e.g what goes to hell fire, the body, soul or spirit and where the rest goes if all does not go to hell fire. A lady, very vibrant woman, had an accident some years ago, she was planning to get married to a young pastor, the pastor left her cus the accident left her paralysed and always in pains. This did not stop her from living, she lived not because of fear of hell. she is presently studying for her PhD. another woman, lives in ibadan, she had an accident which resulted in not being able to move or feel any part of her body from the neck down. the only part of her body she can move or feel is her head. This did not want her to die, she is still trying to live as long as possible! One should not serve God of fear of he'll fire , I try my best to serve God( fail sometimes), but I don't do it cus of fear of hell fire, I don't believe hell fire exist. The concept is not supported by the scriptures, neither does its teachings stand scrutiny. when you examine the doctrine, it goes against what the scriptures say, it also contradicts the scriptures! 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 2:15pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
brocab:You are a very dubious individual, did I ask you to explain psalms 110:1 , No!, I asked you to tell me who jehovah was talking to in psalms 110:1. can you identify the lord that jehovah was talking to?, I don't think so! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 2:07pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
brocab:YOU COULD NOT DEFEND YOUR STATEMENT , is jesus called the son of God, but he is not really Gods son?. your statement indictates that jesus is not really God's son but he is called God's son or uses the nickname " son of God" . You said: "The scripture directly tells us He was "Called" the Son of God, not that He is the Son of God" "Jesus was Called to be the Son of God- the scriptures never said He is the Son of God. Adam seen the Lord God walking in the Garden-He didn't say He seen the Son and His Father walking in the Garden.Neither did I say so. pls direct me to the verse where Adam saw God. This is what the scriptures say: Ge 3:8 Later they heard the voice of Jehovah God as he was walking in the garden about the breezy part of the day, and the man and his wife hid from the face of Jehovah God among the trees of the garden. Jesus said Before Abraham was Born I Am {John 8:58} God said He is I Am..1. I've shown you(or probably your brother) how scholars explained the words " I am " that God said to moses, you could not say anything against it, so you all ran away from that explanation. 2. Jesus was discussing with his accusers about his age, not that if he is God, so he was telling them he existed(the correct description) before Abraham, he lived before Abraham! 3. There are others who said " I am " in the scriptures, does it mean they are God too? no! 2Sa 20:17So he went near to her, and the woman said: “Are you Joʹab?” He replied: “I am.” At this she said to him: “Listen to the words of your servant.” He said: “I am listening.” 4. Go and look up up the Hebrew word translated to "i am " and see how it is translated when used in other verses , it will help you understand better! When will you ever complete any statement you have written-the only thing you write is one verse-and then switch to another verse that doesn't line up, with any of the scriptures I have written down before your eye's, it's like a guessing game when you reply back.GIVE AN EXAMPLE Of WHERE I DID SUCH!, Stop laying false accusations! And plus not even the Jewish People know who Jehovah is, and if they ever did, they would spell it like this Yehovah..Wrong! The hebrew language has no vowels, though if they could pronounce it that way I do not know. [quote]Is this all you can come up with Doplhinheart-{They are same person?, wow! so when jehovah said "sit at my right hand" are you saying he was talking to himself?, what wunt your false doctrine bring up.wateva I come up with, you could not answer! Yes I suppose if we were to look at this, in the Natural, we would see He is talking to Himself, but because this is the only way you see things-Then when you pray, who are you talking too-a Jehovah God, you can't see or hear, one who isn't there, and yet you believe He is listening to you?YOU STILL COULD NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION, God listens to his loyal ones, it's a matter of faith and belief, so when we pray, we know he listens, even though you can't see him! How many times do you read the scriptures correctly, we done this same Old page, many moons ago. Yes the disciples are One with Jesus and the Father.Again you could not explain the verse! does being one with jesus and the father mean they are God, if yes explain, if no why do you alter the meaning of " being one" when you try to explaining jesus being one with his father? Solite3 never said God was a person in the first place.look at what I said Solite3 said and what you wrote above, then answer if yes or no Solite3 said what I said he said. what I said he said and what you are difending him of are two different things. {John 20:17} Go and tell the brothers "I am" ascending to My Father.Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” stop removing vital info from that verse! Note: once again you have refused to tell us who jehovah was talking to in pslams 110:1 you have also refused to talk about the issue raised about the kjv versions! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 12:41pm On Nov 03, 2016 |
@ solite3 LAST TIME ILL GIVE THIS MESSAGE: please learn how to quote correctly, I will not go through the task of copying and pasting your comments again. If I try to reply you and see it blank, I'll leave it like that! so you mean Jesus is a God?Yes , a mighty god, but he is not the same god as the father, the father is the almighty God, the supreme being, the most high God, the one jesus and the disciples told us to worship. Ps 82:1God takes his place in the divine assembly; In the middle of the gods he judges: the scripture above identifies God Judging in the middle of other gods, their are other God's apart from the Almighty God. you can only be most high if their are others you are higher than. If their are no other, then you are not higher than anyone. The disciples of jesus know these truth , that is why they stated below: 1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” But jesus has taught them who among all those god's is the one they should serve , the only true God!, the almighty! Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ *jesus was talking about the father as the only true God. Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” It is this knowledge that made the disciples say this : 1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him. The disciples know that their God is not three persons in one, that the father and jesus are not same person, neither are they same God, their words have rejected the trinity, man made doctrines that was believed by pagans and later crept into Christianity long after they died!. They know who theIr God is, he is the father and only the father! NO ADDITIONS!. if God the father is the only true God then all other gods would be false right?wrong? I have the same faith with the apostles I have only one God even the Father,one Lord Jesus christ and one spirit.solite3, I asked you :do you have more than one god, the father like the apostles have or you have more than than the father as your God? The disciples only have one God, and they identified that one God as the father!, just as jesus taught them. your answer has proven that you do not have the Same God as the disciples , you do not worship the same god the disciples identified as their God. 1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, Here is the contradiction dolphinheart1. its Good to see you understood the issue of who recieves the Glory, as you have seen who receives the glory of bowing to jesus. The verses did not even say God (so that you might twist it), it Identified who God is, he is the father! 2. Our discussion have been on who jehovah is, as you claim Jehovah is jesus christ because all are commanded to bow to him. These assertion has been proven to be false when we looked at the context of that verse when the command was given: Php 2:9For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, the verse above has shown that the God and jesus that the writer is talking about are not the same person, neither are they the same being! The verse teaching us that (1.)God exalted jesus (2.)God gave jesus a name (3.)God gave jesus a position superior to the one he had before! If God as used in the context is not jesus, but later revealed to be the father, how come both of them are jehovah. did jehovah exalt himself? No did he give himself a new name ? No! But it makes more sense and also fulfills the prophecies when Jehovah said he will exalt his servant if we agree to the truth that the God in those verses above is jehovah, and his servant is Jesus who he exalted, It fully comforms to the prophecy and Stephens vision of seing jesus at the exalted right hand of Jesus! 3. As explained to you in the scriptures, you are bending in the name of Jesus because God gave the command to do so, and our bending in that name is to the Glory of God, you are not worshiping jesus, but worshiping and obeying God's command. This does not mean God is Jesus, but the bending is still to God though you are doing it in jesus name! Jehovah has granted the faithful resurrected Jesus Christ a superior position and a name that is above every other name, “so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground.” All who gain life must bend their knees in worship to Jehovah in the name of Jesus Christ and acknowledge him as Lord to God’s glory. Do not think the scriptures contradict (even though you refuse to explain it), Follow God's arrangement of using the son to achieve his will, which includes the issue of who you bow to! [b]Eph 1:9by making known to us the sacred secret of his will. It is according to his good pleasure that he himself purposed Eph 1:10for an administration at the full limit of the appointed times, to gather all things together in the Christ, the things in the heavens and the things on the earth. Yes, in him Eph 1:11with whom we are in union and were assigned as heirs, having been foreordained according to the purpose of the one who accomplishes all things as he decides according to his will, Eph 1:17 [ color=blue]that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory,[/color] may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him. Eph 1:19and how surpassing the greatness of his power is toward us believers. It is according to the operation of the mightiness of his strength, Eph 1:20 which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, Eph 1:21far above every government and authority and power and lordship and every name that is named, not only in this system of things but also in that to come. Eph 1:22 He also subjected all things under his feet and made him head over all things with regard to the congregation,[/b] If God decides to receive his glory through bowing in the name of jesus, who are you to question God. If God says he does things through jesus, IT STILL DOES NOT MAKE JESUS GOD! you have failed to answer my question.You asked me: was there anybody in history who the israelities recognises as their saviour? The answer is yes and no, Yes because their are certain israelities who knew those Jehovah sent to them as saviors , they called them savior or saviors and recorded it, just the same way present worshipers of God recognise jesus as savior. No because the israelites in general do not give any human title of savior. All saviors , including jesus, where by the express appointment and directive of Jehovah!, as the previous saviours where sent by Jehovah , so also was jesus sent! 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 10:27pm On Oct 31, 2016 |
brocab:Big time liar, look at the bolded above and look at your statements below: "The scripture directly tells us He was "Called" the Son of God, not that He is the Son of God" Jesus was Called to be the Son of God- the scriptures never said He is the Son of God. The bible say's no-one has seen God at anytime, because God is Spirit-God is Love. {John 1:18, 1 John 4:12}You could not even complete John'S statement. look at what John further said, he did not say he saw God, Joh 1:29The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and he said: “See, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! Joh 1:34And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one is the Son of God.” Don't try and twist my words around, Daniel had seen a person sitting on the throne-God is Spirit-Jesus came down as a Man and now He sits on His throne. And Daniel seen Him sitting in the Spirit.you yourself twist your own words. Did Daniel see God literally? no. pls support your claim that Daniel saw Jesus sitting on God's throne! The throne of God need not be thought of a literal throne, God the Father is incorporeal {John 4:24} Not having a psychical body, God does not literally sit, Heaven is His throne and the earth is His foot stool {Isaiah 66:1, Matthew 5:34} Jesus calls Heaven God's throne. {2 chronicles 18:18} Micaiah therefore here the word of the Lord, I see the Lord sitting on His throne..They are same person?, wow! so when jehovah said "sit at my right hand" are you saying he was talking to himself?, what wunt your false doctrine bring up. one what? The disciples of Jesus are also one, and also one with Jesus and his father, just like Jesus and the father are one. And yet us born again believers say they are One-you even said it yourself-the Lord and God are the same person-and then you all turn against us.STOP LYING! Even your brother solite3 agrees that Jesus and the father are not the same person! I can see clearly how twisted you are, again you believe the bible is all about false conclusions. O please describe God-what does God look like, if you believe He is a person? What is God's and the Son's name {Proverbs 30:4}You keep on confusing yourself , you yourself has just implied through your lie that God is a person. You have read it, no one has seen God, yet you want me to describe who I have not seen, I tire for you O! God's name is Jehovah, his sons name is jesus! Explain how does the ancient of days sit on His throne, if the bible say's He is Spirit-then explain why God place Jesus on His throne if you believe God in Spirit sits? {Daniel 7:9-13, Revelation 1:14} is correct-you just don't know how to read it clearly.NON OF THE SCRIPTURES YOU MENTIONED EVER SAID GOD PLACED JESUS ON HIS THRONE!, RATHER MANY VERSES SAY JESUS IS SITTING OR STANDING BESIDE GOD'S THRONE! Daniel told you his vision, are you saying Daniel lied about the vision he saw!, do you think Daniel really saw God sitting? cus I don't think Daniel saw God in real life sitting., NEITHER ARE THOSE BEAST REAL LIFE MOSTERS! Do I need to say anymore, you are truly a disbeliever. You don't have the Spirit of God-please describe God-I would like to know what he looks like-since you say Daniel seen God the Father sitting on His throne?First you will have to show me where I said the bolded above, you have always been known to lay false accusations! I don't need to read your anger-I need to read the truth, and your descriptions how you understand the word of God is completely False..Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” Note: do you notice that once again you refuse to identify the Lord Jehovah was talking to in Psalms 110:1. Do you notice that once again you refuse to adress the issues about the kjv I raised! 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 11:37am On Oct 30, 2016 |
brocab:1. did Daniel really see God? no! [b]Da 7:1In the first year of King Bel·shazʹzar of Babylon, Daniel saw a dream and visions of his head as he lay on his bed. Then he wrote down the dream; he recorded a complete account of the matters. 2. can you see how crooked your statements are, all because you wanted to come to a false conclusion, you stated that " no one has seen God at any time because he is a spirit, yet you say Daniel saw God!. 3. If I'm correct, you agree that according to Daniel, the ancient of days is God the father and the son of man is Jesus. The events as recorded by Daniel points to a fact that the father and Jesus are two different persons, one approaches the other, they are two different beings! 4. You attempt to now link Jesus with the ancient of days cus of the color of their hair baffles me (a) First the discRiptions are slightly different King James Version Da 7:9I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. King James Version Re 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;[/b] (b) a truthfull person would have looked at who the scriptures said was talking rather than coming to his own personal conclusion based on looks or color of hair. verse 13 of rev 1 has already told you who John was describing his appearance! [b]King James Version Re 1:13And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. YOU YOURSELF HAD CALLED THE SON OF MAN THAT DANIEL SAW APPROACHING THE ANCIENT OF DAYS AS JESUS, JOHN HAS TOLD YOU THE PERSON HE SAW WAS LIKE THE SON OF MAN, BUT YOU WANT TO USE THE COLOUR OF HAIR TO CALL HIM ANCIENT OF DAYS. My father and I have the same color of hair, it does not mean I'm my father! 5. verses 9 and 13 has shown you that ancient of days refers to God , the father, so also verse 22. God, Jehovah, the father is ancient of days. The title " ancient of days alternates with the "supreme one(Daniel 7:18,22,25,27) To claim Jesus is ancient of days contradicts the words of Daniel and the events he recorded, let's look at it again : Da 7:13“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One. * the ancient of days and the son of man are two different persons. The one identified in the scriptures as ancient of days is at no time ever called son of man, neither is the son of man identified as ancient of days. * that he gained access and was brought up shows the difference , not only in their being, but also in their authority, the ancient of days is superior to the son of man and the events that followed shows such facts to be correct. Da 7:14And to him there were given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed. * the son of man was given rulership, honor and a Kingdom by the ancient of days. Jesus had said the father promised him a Kingdom.God had told Jesus that he should sit at his right hand until he puts all his enemies under his feet. The scriptures say God exalted Jesus. combine all these and you will know that Jesus is not ancient of days, cus the ancient of days did not give himself this things, he gave Jesus, the son of man. The scriptures below proofs , supports, fulfills, explains Daniel 7:14 [b]Ps 2:6Saying: “I myself have installed my king On Zion, my holy mountain.” Ps 110:1, 2 Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”2Jehovah will extend the scepter of your power out of Zion, saying: “Go subduing in the midst of your enemies.” Mt 28:18Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been GIVEN ME in heaven and on the earth. 1Co 15:25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. Eph 1:22 He also subjected all things under his feet and made him head over all things with regard to the congregation, Lu 1:32, 33This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father,33and he will rule as King over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end to his Kingdom.” 6. If the holy ones of the supreme one is to receive the kingdom, it automatically means Jesus is not the supreme one, he has stated he will receive a kingdom and Daniel said the son of man receives a kingdom Da 7:18But the holy ones of the Supreme One will receive the kingdom, and they will possess the kingdom forever, yes, forever and ever.’ read Mt 19:28,,Re 1:6,, Re 3:21,, Re 5:9, 10 [b]Lu 22:29and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, 7. several times I've corrected you, telling you that because Jesus said he is one with the father does not mean they are one or same God, one or same person or one or same being. Jesus said the same thing about his disciples and it surely does not mean they are one person, God or being with Jesus and his father. You are given Jesus words different meanings to suit your false doctrine, you could not use the same meaning when Jesus said he and his disciples will be one. When Jesus refered to the husband and wife becoming one flesh, he did not mean they become one person, body or being! stop giving words different meanings to suite your false doctrines. despite husband and wife being one, Jesus and the father being one, the scriptures said this: [b]1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God. In {Acts 7:13} it says He seen the glory of God-and Jesus standing at the right hand of God-He only seen the glory of God-meaning He seen a glazing light that shined upon the Son of Man "Jesus.1. It is obvious you did not read acts 7:13 cus that verse did not say what you are implying! 2. your statement only further solidify the fact that Jesus is not the God that Stephen saw his glory in the vision. Stephen said : Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God Stephen saw two separate things, not one thing! I have already answered {Psalms 110:1} I can't wait until you start answering our questionnaires?LIAR! BIG LIAR!, YOU HAVE NOT SAID WHO THE LORD THE JEHOVAH WAS TALKING TO IS!, PROVE ME WRONG AND SHOW ME WHERE YOU IDENTIFIED THE LORD THAT JEHOVAH WAS TALKING TO! In {Romans 8:15-19} For we did not receive the Spirit of Bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, The Spirit bears witness with our Spirit we are Children of God, and heirs of God and joint heirs of Christ that we maybe also glorified together, for I consider of the sufferings of this present time is not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.Good, this shows you that Christ is also heir to God, God's son!, God's children are brothers to Jesus, no one is Brother to God, they are all his children!. As God made Jesus his heir, so he makes all others who are his children Co heirs with Jesus! It is good to see that you accepted and had no issues with the facts as it has been shown to you Jesus is heir to God children of God are heirs of God children of God are joint heirs with Jesus children of God are Jesus brothers God is the father of the children of God God is the father of Jesus. Again one must be born again before you can enter into the kingdom of God..And again God it is my power to determine by the scriptures-which say's clearly who are God's Children and who is not.God determines who his children are, not you! Dolphinheart to be saved in Christ is one thing-but in your case you were saved under the banner of your Church-meaning if you truly were saved in Christ, you would know who Christ is, but you don't..you do not have the capability to determine. you claim to know who Christ is, yet you refuse to accept he is the son of God : King James Version 1Jo 4:10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. You are calling God a liar, that he did not sent his some, that he sent someone who is not his son but claims to be his son. because you refuse to accept that Jesus is the son of God, how can the life that such knowledge offers be for you! Joh 20:31But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and because of believing, you may have life by means of his name. NOTE: Up till now , you are still behaving like a blind man to the issues presented to you about the kjV! 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 9:13am On Oct 30, 2016 |
solite3:do not be dubious, you said son of man is a man, when you tried to use the same logic for God, you now altered the statement, why? IF THE SONY OF MAN IS A MAN BY NATURE, THE SON OF GOD IS A GOD BY NATURE. HE IS NOT THE SAME GOD THE HIS FATHER IS! Ps 82:1God takes his place in the divine assembly; In the middle of the gods he judges: 1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him. solite3 let me ask you, do you have more than one god, the father like the apostles have or you have more than than the father as your God? Dolphinheart you said God takes the glory when we bow down to Jesus, when he said that all knees will bow to him and every tongue will confess him in isaiah is this not a contradiction?1. I did not say so, the scriptures said so 2. It is not a contradiction those bowing to Jesus know who Jesus is , they know he has been exalted by God above them, they know God has given him authority above them, and most importantly they know that all is does his through God's Command, God is using him to fulfil his wishes and will. If you bow to Jesus, you are glorifying God cus the command came from God, you are doing God's will and following his arrangements. [b]Php 2:11and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER the scriptures has told you who recieves the glory, yet you do not believe! was there anybody in history who the israelities recognises as their saviour? The bible called those people saviours not saviour of israel because israel has only one saviour.you are funny, the isrealites did not even recognise Jesus as their savior, they killed him!, they killed the prophets God sent to them, tell me how you think they will recognise a savior from God while going back to serve false God's !. If you are waiting for the isrealites to formally give the title "savior" to those God sent despite God telling you and having it recorded that he sent savior(s), then you are on a long thing and have a very long way to go! It is good you did not contend with the facts given to you, shows you accepted them as truth. 1. Jesus pleads for us from God, Jesus is not the same person with the one he is pleading for us from, therefore Jesus is not the God being referred to here. 2. Jesus is not the same person as the one who told him to sit at his right hand 3. The one who told Jesus to sit at his right hand is sitting on the throne of God, the throne of his majesty in heavens. 4. The name of the one who told Jesus to sit at his right is Jehovah, the most high God, the almighty God. 5. Jesus is therefore not Jehovah, who told him to sit at his right side! though once again you refused to answer these questions: 1.Jesus is the one David prophesied above and he sat down at the right hand of God. * Jesus is pleading, from who? If Jesus is jehovah, then he should be almighty God, almighty God does not plead from anyone! 2. The one who sits on the throne is called the most high, the one who sits on the throne is identified as Jehovah, how come you feel that the one who is told to sit at his right hand is also Jehovah wow!. is jehovah talking to himself when David recorded that prophecy? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 1:09pm On Oct 29, 2016 |
brocab:you lie a lot, show which question you asked and I refused to answer! LIAR! on the contrary, I've asked you a lot of questions on this thread , at a point they numbered over 25, but you refused to answer any of them. I don't just make accusations , I provide prove of your refusal to answer simple questions. recently I've asked you this questions twice, you refused to answer them as expected. For the benefit of doubt, I'll ask you those questions again!, the one you rambled about and the other 2 you refused to answer : [b]"1. who is the son of man and who is the ancient of days as recorded in this verse. King James Version Da 7:13I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 2. is the son of man/ Jesus the same person as God in Stephens vision! King James Version Ac 7:55But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, King James Version Ac 7:56And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. 3. who was the Lord that Jehovah was talking to in psalms 110:1 Ps 110:1Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” Note: it is now fully confirmed that anytime issues are raised about the kjv and facts supplied, you turn a blind eye, you act as if you did not see it but you are quick to accuse other translations without providing proof."[/b] YOU ARE A LIAR BROCAB, YOU ALWAYS RUN FROM QUESTIONS CUS IT WILL EXPOSE YOU! I know what the bible say's, and it say's Jesus is the Son Of God, it also say's He is the Son Of David, and the Son Of Man-So which one, is He? Which is it?You know what the bible says and yet you do not want to believe!, you know it says all the above yet you are asking which one is it, you who claims to have the spirit in him still questions what you yourself agree that the scriptures said! JEHOVAH, THROUGH PROPHECY AND THROUGH ITS DIVINE FUFILLMENT TELLS YOU THAT JESUS IS HIS SON, HIS HEIR, HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, BUT BECAUSE THIS DIVINE STATEMENTS CONFLICTS WITH YOUR FALSE TEACHINGS , YOU SAY JESUS IS NOT THE SON OF GOD, EVEN WHEN GOD HIMSELF SAID "THIS IS MY SON". One verse found in the Bible-Jesus claimed to be the Son Of God-by quoting Scripture to the Jews {Psalms 82:6}unfurtunatelly for you, you do not understand why Jesus said he is God's son, he said so because he is truly and really the son of God, as most doubting is realities like you came to realise and acknowledge. Those verses has been shown to you but you still refuse to see it. You say they put their stone down, pls read verse 39. even though I know you will not answer this question, I'll ask you anyway, what did Jesus mean when he said "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world" pls who is the "him" that the father sanctified and sent! {Galatians 3:26, 1 John 3:2, So in Christ Jesus you are all Children of God}Does our being children of God nullify the fact that Jesus is the son of God, NO! no wonder the scriptures say this : King James Version Ro 8:17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. facts: Jesus is heir to God children of God are heirs of God children of God are joint heirs with Jesus children of God are Jesus brothers God is the father of the children of God God is the father of Jesus. Dolphinheart explain why Jesus preferred Himself as the Son Of Man, By prophesy He was Called the Son Of David-and in other terms He quoted scripture that's written in the Jewish law-and Called Himself the Son Of God.1. because he is also the son of man, son of David 2. because your forefathers tried to stone him when told them who he is , that he is the son of God!, A son who was identified by God to the isrealities at least three times!. JESUS ALSO IDENTIFIED GOD AS HIS FATHER! They did not believe him, and neither do you!, you do not believe that Jesus is the son of God! JESUS WILL NOT CALL HIMSELF SOMETHING HE IS NOT! The bible is clear that all people are God's creation {Colossians 1:16} And that God loves the entire world" {John 3:16} it's only those who are born again believers are Children of God {John 1:12, 11:52, Romans 8:16, and 1 John 3:1-10}You are not to determine that, neither is their any power given to you or will be given to you to determine that! So I am proudly known by the scriptures, becoming a Born again believer, makes me to be "A" son of God, and the son of "A" man....And yet you keep refusing to quote certain scriptures, keep refusing to acknowledge them , keep refusing to answer questions that are related to certain scriptures. continue with your claims, everyone has a right to claim anything! 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 9:07pm On Oct 27, 2016 |
@ solite3 are these the evidence? all antichrist always try to twist the bible to deceive others. I have showed you proof of Christ divinity as God.1. yes they are evidence, and you could not point or show one single evidence that those scriptures where twisted! 2. Jesus is the son of the most high God, he is not the most high God. that's what the scriptures taught us. 3. YOu could not fault the scriptures and eXplanation given : "EVIDENCE 1: WHO THE SCRIPTURES IDENTIFY AS THE MOST HIGH AND Jesus' RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MOST HIGH The scriptures identify Jehovah as the "most high", this fact is not derived, it is straight out of the scriptures! King James Version Ps 83:18That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth Jehovah also refers to himself as the almighty God, hence he has no God above him! Ex 6:3 And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them. Ps 68:4Sing to God; sing praises to his name. Sing to the One riding through the desert plains. Jah is his name! Rejoice before him! Isa 42:8I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images. The scriptures call jehovah the "most high God," this is not derived, it is a fact! Ge 14:22 But Aʹbram said to the king of Sodʹom: “I raise my hand in an oath to Jehovah the Most High God, Maker of heaven and earth, Ps 97:9 For you, O Jehovah, are the Most High over all the earth; You are exalted far above all other gods. I have used the scriptures to identify who the most high is, now does the scripture say Jesus is the most high like it emphatically say that Jehovah is the most high? The answer is NO!, this is a fact, it is not derived, no where did the scripture say Jesus is most high God! But does the scripture identify Jesus' relationship to the most high? The answer is YES! look at the verses below: King James Version Lu 1:32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest:{most high} and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: King James Version Mr 5:7And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. Jesus is son of the one who is the most high , he is not the most high. THE MOST HIGH IS JEHOVAH, HIS FATHER, THE ALMIGHTY GOD, THE MAJESTY ON HIGH!, JESUS SITS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THIS ONE, HE IS NOT THE ONE WHO IS SITTING ON THE THRONE OF GOD. The one who sits on that throne told Jesus to be at his right side. [b]King James Version Heb 8:1Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 4. You asked a question and I will answer you, it is possible for a son of man to be a man. It is impossible for a son of man to be the same man that he is the son of. The one he is son of is a different man from him, they are not the same man, that is why the son can be called "A MAN"! Jehovah said let us make in our image the word used for God is elohim which is plural instead of eloah these point to the fact that God is a plurality of persons.You have shown you have nothing to say against the scripture and explanation given . The verse says concerning the most high, he "made his voice heard". This emphasises the fact that the most high(who we had identified as Jehovah) is one person, not a multiple person, therefore Jesus and the father cannot both be Jehovah. You do not say "his voice if you are referring to more than one person talking at the same time! Another example out numerous ones in the scriptures : Ge 2:8Further, Jehovah God planted a garden in Eʹden, toward the east; and there he put the man whom he had formed. notice hear again that "he " and not "them" or "they" is used in reference to jehovah! READ WHAT SCHOLARS SAY BELOW(MAYBE YOU ARE BETTER THAN THEM) [b]"The fanciful idea that Elohim referred to the Trinity of persons in the Godhead hardly finds now a supporter among scholars. It is either what the grammarians call the plural of majesty, or it denotes the fullness of divine strength, the sum of the powers displayed by God"................. (William Smith, A Dictionary of the Bible, ed. Peloubet, MacDonald Pub. Co., 1948, p. 220). "Elohim must rather be explained as an intensive plural, denoting greatness and majesty" (The American Journal of Semitic Language and Literature, 1905, Vol. XXI, p. 208). "Early dogmaticians were of the opinion that so essential a doctrine as that of the Trinity could not have been unknown to the men of the Old Testament…No modern theologian...can longer maintain such a view. Only an inaccurate exegesis which overlooks the more immediate grounds of interpretation can see references to the Trinity in the plural form of the divine name Elohim, the use of the plural in Genesis 1:26 or such liturgical phrases as three members of the Aaronic blessing of Numbers 6:24-26 and the Trisagion of Isaiah 6:3" (The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, Vol. 12, p. 18). "The plural form of the name of God, elohim, in the Hebrew Scriptures has often been adduced as proof of the plurality of persons in the Godhead…Such use of Scripture will not be likely to advance the interests of truth, or be profitable for doctrine…The plural of elohim may just as well designate a multiplicity of divine potentialities in the deity as three personal distinctions, or it may be explained as the plural of majesty and excellency. Such forms of expression are susceptible of too many explanations to be used as valid proof texts of the Trinity" (Milton Terry, Biblical Hermeneutics, p. 587). Elohim (Hebrew: אֱלֹהִים) is a grammatically plural noun for "gods" or "deity" in Biblical Hebrew. In modern Hebrew it is often referred to in the singular, despite the -im ending that denotes plural masculine nouns in Hebrew. It is generally thought that Elohim is a formation from eloah, the latter being an expanded form of the Northwest Semitic noun il (אֵל, ʾēl[3]). The related nouns eloah (אלוה) and el (אֵל) are used as proper names or as generics, in which case they are interchangeable with elohim................ ..........The word is identical to the usual plural of el meaning gods or magistrates, and is cognate to the 'l-h-m found in Ugaritic, where it is used for the pantheon of Canaanite gods, the children of El and conventionally vocalized as "Elohim". Most use of the term Elohim in the later Hebrew text imply a view that is at least monolatrist at the time of writing, and such usage (in the singular), as a proper title for the supreme deity, is generally not considered to be synonymous with the term elohim, "gods" (plural, simple noun). Hebrew grammar allows for this nominally plural form to mean "He is the Power (singular) over powers (plural)", or roughly, "God of gods". Rabbinic scholar Maimonides wrote that the various other usages are commonly understood to be homonyms.[/b]......... wikepedia i dont know who you are presenting this evidence to.Did the verse say father? No! did it say "the father declared to my lord"? No! It said " Jehovah declared to my lord" . We have, using the scriptures as a guide, identified Jesus as the one who Jehovah was talking to, abi no be so? jesus is at the right hand of God, abi no be so?. If jesus is at the right hand of God and jehovah who is called the most high God, the almighty God , who sits on the throne now tells jesus to sit at his right hand, how come you now feel jesus is Jehovah? If Jehovah is talking to jesus, how can Jehovah now be Jesus? can you see how your false doctrine is unravelling! these your so called evidences( evidences for what) are a product of wrong teacbings over the years just as watch towers prophecies remains a historical failure!stop rambling , are those scriptures false ? no! If the explanation given about those scriptures are wrong, why don't you tell us what you think about them. I have just shown you what the bible teaches , here it is again: [b]Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us. Eph 1:20which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, Heb 8:1Now this is the main point of what we are saying: We have such a high priest as this, and he has sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, Heb 12:2as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. the above verses gives us the following info! 1.Jesus is the one David prophesied above and he sat down at the right hand of God. * Jesus is pleading, from who? If Jesus is jehovah, then he should be almighty God, almighty God does not plead from anyone! 2. The one who sits on the throne is called the most high, the one who sits on the throne is identified as Jehovah, how come you feel that the one who is told to sit at his right hand is also Jehovah wow!. is jehovah talking to himself when David recorded that prophecy?[/b] even though you refused to answer any of the above questions, you are free to contend any of the following facts below! 1. Jesus pleads for us from God, Jesus is not the same person with the one he is pleading for us from, therefore Jesus is not the God being referred to here. 2. Jesus is not the same person as the one who told him to sit at his right hand 3. The one who told Jesus to sit at his right hand is sitting on the throne of God, the throne of his majesty in heavens. 4. The name of the one who told Jesus to sit at his right is Jehovah, the most high God, the almighty God. 5. Jesus is therefore not Jehovah, who told him to sit at his right side! your evidence prove what exactly!my evidence on that prophecy proves that Jesus is not jehovah. jehovah was talking about someone else, his servant, and we have seen through its fulfilment that Jesus was the one jehovah was talking about, Jehovah prophesied about Jesus, jehovah did not prophecy about himself. In his prophecy about Jesus, jehovah called Jesus is servant, he said "my servant", showing that jehovah is a different person from Jesus! [b]Isa 42:1 Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations. Isa 52:13 Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted. To confirm that Jesus is the one jehovah is referring to, see the fulfillment here: Isa 49:7,, Lu 9:35,, Mt 3:17,, Joh 6:27,, 2Pe 1:17,, isa 61:1,, Mt 3:16,, Mt 12:15-18 why don't you try me and see if I will deny those scriptures I mentioned. looking for similarities? if God is God then he must be unique, there is not suppose to be any being who would be similar to him but funny enough Jesus seems to have all the characteristics of God!you read that verse yet you still think that Jesus is jehovah wow! let me quote that same verse from different translationsources and underline the part you missed or fail to understand. New International Version The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. New Living Translation The Son radiates God's own glory and expresses the very character of God, and he sustains everything by the mighty power of his command. When he had cleansed us from our sins, he sat down in the place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God in heaven. English Standard Version He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, King James Bible Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Go and study what those underlined words mean, maybe you will come to a better understanding. imagine, someone is said to sit at the right side of the Majesty on high, but you want to claim that that someone is also the Majesty on high! Col 1:15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; that the bible referred to them as saviours never meant it was a title in isreal only God bears Saviour as a title because he is the true Saviour just like the issue of God. Jesus is bearing the title.refute what! Jesus is called savior, those jehovah sent are called savior , true or false. you can't be a savior unless jehovah appoints you as one you can't be called a savior unless you truly carry out the act of saving all that jehovah used in the act of saving, both Jesus and the isrealites are called savior or saviors! Jehovah said they are saviors! If God calling them saviors is not a title, plus tell me what it is? which of them bears the title Saviour?Jg 3:15Then the Israelites called to Jehovah for help, so Jehovah raised up for them a savior, Eʹhud the son of Geʹra, a Benʹja·min·ite who was left-handed. In time the Israelites sent tribute through him to Egʹlon the king of Moʹab[/color] pls tell me, who do you think jehovah was referring to here: [b]Isa 19:20It will be for a sign and for a witness to Jehovah of armies in the land of Egypt; for they will cry out to Jehovah because of the oppressors, and he will send them a savior, a grand one, who will save them. If it's Jesus, it simply tells you jehovah is not Jesus, if it's not Jesus, then who? [b]King James Version Ac 13:23Of this man’s seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: GOD DID NOT RAISE HIMSELF, HE RAISED JESUS, JESUS IS NOT GOD WHO RAISED HIM! you mean God commanded all to bow down to another? When he said we should not bow down to anyother God?God commanded all to bow down to his son, and the scriptures gave the reason why : [b]Php 2:9For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, Php 2:10so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground— And when he said it is to him all knees would bow down to and every tongue confesses when he said he cannot change? Why the sudden change? Concerning glory Jesus said What belongs to God belongs to him, is that not claiming God's glory?you statement just supports the fact that Jesus is different from the God you are referring to. All the glory of such command belongs to God. Php 2:11and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. God gave the command, he receives the glory! 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 4:10pm On Oct 27, 2016 |
brocab:you are so full of lies, you don't even quote those verses talk less of explaining them, once scriptures are shown to you , you always act as if you did not see it, you refuse to explain them! All the verses I quoted specifically and directly talk about the issue under discussion, I challenge you to provide one verse, just one verse that I quoted that does not address the issue under discuss. You lie and then you lay false accustion that you always run from when asked to prove it! Jesus served, He was also "Called the Son of God" Truly your heart isn't with the Lord, your heart is with your organisation.JESUS IS CALLED THE SON OF GOD CUS HE TRULY AND REALLY IS THE SON OF GOD! GOD SENT HIS SON, HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, NOT A PERSON WHO CLAIMS TO BE OR ADOPTS A NICKNAME " SON OF GOD" once again, though I know you will not examine it : King James Version 1Jo 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. King James Version 1Jo 4:10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. You deny who Jesus is: King James Version Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. I ask for the Holy Spirit to guild me today to answer this verse correctly, and explain to Dolphinheart the meaning of {Psalms 110:1} verse equals verse. Praise the Lord...When you want to lie, you alter the question you are being asked, CUS you know that answering that question will expose you. DiD I ask you the meaning of Psalms 110: 1? NO! I asked you who is the Lord that Jehovah was talking to in Psalms 110:1 Ps 110:1Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet {Psalms 110:1} The clause the LORD say's to my Lord contains two different Hebrew words "lord" in the original.you have even started on a wrong note, Yahweh is not lord in English! Back in those day's men were called lords and masters. Lords are still being used today, It's called the house of the lords in the Queens house in England. Look it up...abeg tell me who is that lord Jehovah or Yahweh (as you prefer to translate the tetramagram in English) is talking to But I am not expecting you to accept the truth, only because you are armed up, with nothing-you don't even study enough to even try to find the Word Of God nor any truth that go's with it. "But listen to what Jesus had said, David spoke in the Spirit" this is something you can't do without having the Spirit Of God. But God did speak through a Donkey and the burning bush, and of course He spoke in the Spirit-because He is Spirit?ohhhhh!, just tell who Jehovah was talking to! The common title of the Messiah in Jesus's day was "Son of David" Based on the fact that the messiah would be a descendant of David who would inherit the throne and fulfil the "Davidic Covenant" {2 Samuel 7} Jesus capitalises on the Jewish use of the title "Son of David" to drive home His point In {Matthew 22} While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, What do you think about the Messiah? Who's Son is He? The Son of David, they replied" He said to them, How is it, then that David speaking by the Spirit "Calls Him Lord"? For he say's. "The lord said to My Lord sit at My right hand until I make your enemies under your feet" "If David Calls Him Lord' How can it be His Son? {Matthew 22:41-45}YOU JUST RAMBLED AND RAMBLED AND STILL REFUSED TO TELL WHO IS THE LORD THAT JEHOVAH WAS TALKING TO WHEN DAVID RECORDED THAT VERSE!. YOU YOURSELF CAN SEE THAT YOU LIE WHEN YOU SAY YOU HAVE GOD'S SPIRIT IN YOU, SIMPLE QUESTIONS YOU CANNOT OR DELIBERATELY REFUSE TO ANSWER . For the benefit of doubt, I'll ask you those questions again!, the one you rambled about and the other 2 you refused to answer : 1. who is the son of man and who is the ancient of days as recorded in this verse. King James Version Da 7:13I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 2. is the son of man/ Jesus the same person as God in Stephens vision! King James Version Ac 7:55But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, King James Version Ac 7:56And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. 3. who was the Lord that Jehovah was talking to in psalms 110:1 Ps 110:1Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” Note: it is now fully confirmed that anytime issues are raised about the kjv and facts supplied, you turn a blind eye, you act as if you did not see it but you are quick to accuse other translations without providing proof. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 12:20pm On Oct 26, 2016 |
brocab:Our ye propagator of false doctrine, I've show you what the scriptures said, you could not counter it! The scriptures says "God sent his only begotten son" , you are implying God sent himself to be called God's son! wow!. you cant be God's son if you really are not God's son! King James Version Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. The writer of mark knew who Jesus is : [b]King James Version Mr 1:1The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; God himself confirmed this to everyone: King James Version Lu 3:22And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. Even the demons knew who Jesus is: [b]King James Version Lu 4:34Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God King James Version Lu 4:41And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ. Even the centurion confirmed that in reality Jesus was the son of God! Mt 27:54Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God. GOD SENT HIS SON, HE DID NOT SEND SOMEONE WHO CALLED HIMSELF HIS SON! King James Version 1Jo 4:9In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. EVEN PETER CONFIRMED WHO JESUS IS King James Version Mt 16:16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Apart from the numerous times in which Jesus called the one in heaven his father he also confirmed his father to be his God!, confirming he is God's son, not just because he wants to be called so , but because he trully is God's son! King James Version Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Before Jesus was "CALLED THE SON OF GOD" Who was He? Not Jehovah as you believe it to be-He "CALLED" Himself I Am "Who I Am, He say's it again in {Exodus 3:14} Jesus can Call Himself Everything if He wanted too {Colossians 1:16}King James Version Ro 8:3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: the above verse teaches us that God dId not send someone who calls himself the son of God, God sent his own son, his only begotten son! it was Jehovah that was talking to moses, not Jesus! col 1:16 does not state that Jesus can call himself anything he wanted to!, why are you afraid to quote those verses! EVERY SCRIPTURE WE HAVE SHARED TOGETHER YOU MANAGE TO FIND OTHER SCRIPTURES TO TRY AND TURN THE WORD OF GOD AGAINST ITSELF. Every scripture is equal with the other.Scriptures help to explain scriptures, it is not to be used to contradict each other. examining all the scriptures that talk about God's son shows that jesus is called God's son because he REALLY AND TRULLY IS GODS SON, IT IS NOT A NICKNAME! If your Elders scholars were Spirit filled Believers true Christians, the bible would stay the same "they wouldn't need to change it year after year removing or twisting the word of God.proof you could not provide, look at this facts : acts 3:26 King James Bible Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. If we look at the verse in the new king James version, the sentence has been altered, given a different sentence with different meaning! Acts 3:26New King James Version (NKJV) 26 To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.” "son" or "servant", a beg tell us which one is correct and which is false!. Let's look at another verse King James Bible Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as menrejoice when they divide the spoil. Isaiah 9:3New King James Version (NKJV) 3 You have multiplied the nation And increased its joy; They rejoice before You According to the joy of harvest Even a blind man can see that their is difference in sentence and meaning from those two versions of the king james, pls tell us , was their joy increased or not? I can bet it that you will not answer!, YOU KEEP ON TALKING ABOUT THE NWT WITHOUT PROVIDING ANY FACT, BUT WHEN SUCH ISSUES ARE RAISED ABOUT THE KJV WITH FACTS YOU GO MUTE! Jesus wrote the truth about Himself in all the bible, He isn't lying against Himself?Jesus did not write the bible!. Those who wrote the scriptures recorded the truth about Jesus, they know he is trully and really God's son, it is not a nickname given to or by the person God sent to mankind. I BAFFLED AT YOUR BELIEF THAT JESUS IS NOT GODS SON! You were taught from men without them having the Spirit, which is the flesh, which of course there's no back door into the Kingdom of God.pls , you who is being thought by the holy spirit 1. who is the son of man and who is the ancient of days as recorded in this verse. King James Version Da 7:13I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 2. is the son of man/ jesus the same person as God in Stephens vision! King James Version Ac 7:55But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, King James Version Ac 7:56And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. 3. who was the Lord that Jehovah was talking to in psalms 110:1 Ps 110:1Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” let's see if the holy spirit you always claim to have will help you to answer them, or if as usual you will look for an excuse. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 1:19pm On Oct 25, 2016 |
brocab:excuse upon excuse, you will bring anything up just to avoid responding to the scriptures quoted to you! But if you are referring to the doctrine brocab speaks off-then you are referring to the King James version, and if the scriptures I give are false then the truth of this matter is, you aren't a true believer in Christ, full stop....But a false prophet.I have used the kjv to show you that your doctrine that Jesus is Jehovah is false! you could not respond to those scriptures ,neither could you find fault with the explanations given! Lets turn to the "Old" and the "New" Testaments Starting with {Joel 2:32 from the "Old" to the "New" that lines together with Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13 who ever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved}Liar! look at what the verse said below: Joe 2:32 And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved; For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, just as Jehovah has said, The survivors whom Jehovah calls.” Like you said, Peter and Paul quoted from Joel's prophecy, but you had to alter their quote cus if you left the quote the way Joel said and recorded it, it will expose you. JOEL DID NOT SAY LORD, HE PRONOUNCED GOD NAME AND RECORDED IT THE WAY HEBREWS WRITE GOD'S NAME! FOR YOU TO NOW THINK THAT PETER AND PAUL , WHEN QUOTING JOEL, ALTERED JOEL'S WORDS SHOWS HOW FAR YOU CAN GO TO DEFEND FALSE TEACHINGS! Now Lets look further, {Isaiah 44:6 from the "Old" refers Himself as the First and the Last, now the "New" Revelation 1:8 and 17 Jesus refers Himself He is the Alpha and the omega the First and the Last}it has been shown to you several times that rev 1:8 is talking about Jehovah, he is the almighty God, he said so and the scriptures tell us so. anytime I show you such verses, you always run away from examining it!, Rev 1:8 is not talking about Jesus! Again the New World Translation agrees!continue to lie , you can't even post the scriptures that you say agrees, you can't even state what it agrees! Now lets turn into {Zechariah 12:10 From the "Old" The Lord said they will look on me who they have pierced. This is obviously Jesus speaking, we are still reading the "Old" Psalms 22:16, now the "New" John 19:34 and with this same passage from Zachariah appears again in Revelation 1:7}you are a liar! The NWT did not say what you posted above . below is the true translation of Zechariah 12:10 Zec 12:10“I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of favor and supplication, and they will look to the one whom they pierced, and they will wail over him as they would wail over an only son; and they will grieve bitterly over him as they would grieve over a firstborn son. EVEN YOU COULD NOT FAULT THE KJV ACCEPTANCE OF THESE TRUTH , LOOK WHAT IT RECORDED ABOUT ZECHARIAH PROPHECY! [b]King James Version Joh 19:37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced. WILL YOU DENY THE TRANSLATION YOU BELIEVE IN CUS IT TOLD YOU THE TRUTH, LET'S SEE WHAT YOU WILL SAY THAT THAT VERSE IN THE KJV IS NOT TRUE! Lets look a little deeper! Who Christ really is? {Luke 1:35 And the Angel said to her {Mary} the Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will over shadow you, therefore also the Holy one who is to be born "Doplhinheart Listen" "WILL BE "CALLED" THE SON OF GOD" It is as plain as it sounds He will be "CALLED" the Son of God-NOT THAT HE IS THE SON OF GOD}how can you wallow in such falsehood when the truth is in front of you. [b]King James Version Lu 1:32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: King James Version Mt 27:54Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God. King James Version 1Jo 4:9In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. King James Version Mt 16:16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Mt 14:33Then those in the boat did obeisance to him, saying: “You really are God’s Son.” Ac 9:20and immediately in the synagogues he began to preach about Jesus, that this one is the Son of God. Heb 1:2 Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. FINALLY FOR YOU BROCAB King James Version 1Jo 4:15Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.[/b] And again THE NEW WORLD TRANSLATION BIBLE agrees. JESUS WAS "CALLED THE SON OF GOD, NOT HE IS "THE SON OF GOD!disagree with what? I've always told you to complete your statements. As to the false doctrines you are trying to show, you can see once again it's being debunked and you have been found a liar!, you could not even quote those scriptures cus you wanted to lie!. It's like this, the bible was written for Children to understand, the bible is so simple, it doesn't take rocket science to understand it, all we need is the Holy Spirit to teach us the word of God. The Angel is directly saying-He is "Called" the Son of God, "not that He is the Son of God.Jesus gave himself a nick name? wow! what false thoughts will you not formulate! WELL JEHOVAH HIMSELF , IN FULFILLING HIS PROPHECY GIVEN TO ISAIAH ABOUT JESUS HIS SERVANT SAID THIS! King James Version Mt 3:17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, in whom I am well pleased. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 10:43pm On Oct 24, 2016 |
brocab:I've used the scriptures to show your doctrine to be false, up till now you could not respond to those verses quoted to you. Dolphinheart once again-12:25 today-Your mind is playing games with you, hence you make accusations that was created from your imaginations, if I asked you to show prove and state where I said "there is no truth found in the king James version", you will not be able to, you will either start blabbing or change the issue once again.you have proven me to be right once more, you could not provide where I made such statement, you like to spew out accusations that only exist in your mind, when asked to provide proof, you will start babbling!. you have now started trying to adjust your accusations about what you claim I said, continue o! you always have problems with wateva translation I use , that the only way you could try to change the topic and refuse to answer the question or examine the scriptures quoted to you! I like this one both bibles the king James and the New World Translation line up together In {2 Peter 1:1} for example. To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and savour Jesus Christ.stop liking selected scriptures, stop rejecting scriptures when it's posted to you, examine them and come to a better understanding. stop looking for scriptures that you think you can alter it's meaning to give support to your derived doctrines. JESUS, THE SCRIPTURES, THE APOSTLES AND GOD HIMSELF HAS TOLD US IN SEVERAL PLACES AND DIRECTLY WHO OUR GOD IS. HE IS JEHOVAH, THE ALMIGHTY GOD, THE FATHER AND GOD OF JESUS , THE HEAD OF JESUS, THE MOST HIGH GOD! Both bibles line up together-then this must prove you bible is false too....see excuse for your refusal to accept those scriptures. No wonder you JW's never use your bibles when witnessing, but use your magazines.Liar!, trying to change the issue again! 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 12:25pm On Oct 24, 2016 |
brocab:Always, at all times, your ways and aim become easily manifest, once your false theories has been exposed you quickly try to change the issue , it's now about translations issues when you realised you could not counter those verses that exposed you, that told you who Jehovah is. Your mind is playing games with you, hence you make accusations that was created from your imaginations, if I asked you to show prove and state where I said "there is no truth found in the king James version", you will not be able to, you will either start blabbing or change the issue once again. If I use the king James, you will have issues with it, if I use the NWT, you will have issues with it, if I use both, you will still have issues with it. You will not state if the verse quoted was wrong or right, you will just create issues with the use of any translation that is used to expose your false doctrines. Your very own claims is the King James bible has false teachings? Shouldn't you be producing to me your bible, and prove to me, what is truth, instead of sharing your own claims, lie upon lies?Are the verses quoted to you from the kjv containing false teachings?, if yes let us know, but if no, then why don't you accept the words as quoted to you from the kjv?, you create issues with my use of the translation that you accepted just so that you don't respond to the truth found in the verses quoted to you from that same translation. Your bible keeps on changing year after year-your so called scholars are men without the Spirit of God, not even you have His Spirit.let me show you good examples of change, let's see if you will explain them: acts 3:26 King James Bible Unto you first God, [color=blue]having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. If we look at the verse in the new king James version, the sentence has been altered, given a different sentence with different meaning! Acts 3:26New King James Version (NKJV) 26 To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.” "son" or "servant", a beg tell us which one is correct and which is false!. Let's look at another verse King James Bible Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as menrejoice when they divide the spoil. Isaiah 9:3New King James Version (NKJV) 3 You have multiplied the nation And increased its joy; They rejoice before You According to the joy of harvest Even a blind man can see that their is difference in sentence and meaning from those two versions of the king james, pls tell us , was their joy increased or not? I can bet it that you will not answer! God's Name is "I am" In your bible his name is Jehovah, it doesn't matter what Name people call God-His real Name is "I Am" Maybe the Jews didn't speak English, it doesn't matter-what language, the Jews Called God YHVH-YHWH not Jehovah" yeh" the English version is Yahweh, it's still not Jehovah, or should we say "in Hebrew they called His Name El, Eloah, Elohim, Not Jehovah"[/color]Let the scriptures{ENGLISH VERSION} tell us God's name: Ps 83:18 May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth. King James Version Ps 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. Ex 6:3And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them. King James Version Ex 6:3And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them Isa 42:8 I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images. CONTINUE TO FIND FAULT WITH THOSE SCRIPTURES, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO SO, BUT IT WUNT CHANGE THE TRUTH. You really want to argue the truth-but yet you haven't produce any proof what is your truth.all those verses you can't respond to are not truth? are not proof? All you have done is argue my bible and the rest of other bibles, and you haven't yet produced your own-aren't you a Jehovah witness-that you only preach your magazines through out the nations, and here you are arguing with me about the King James bible.who is arguing with you about the kjv, you are the one having issues with it! , you refuse to accept it's content when it's being quoted to you. You use such issues to change the topic, but it does not matter, those verses had already exposed you. It tells you who Jehovah is and how Jehovah relates with jesus. Truly the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, isn't the same God you have, your God refuses to save lives to give Blood.can your blood save for eternity? no!. who is the God of the isrealities , he is the same God that jesus called our God and his God, the same God worshipped by the disciples, not a three person in one God! [b]Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” 1Co 11:3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God. Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him. Col 1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, 1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him. MY GOD IS THE FATHER, JEHOVAH, THE MOST HIGH, ALMIGHTY GOD, THE FATHER AND GOD OF JESUS, THE HEAD OF JESUS, THE ONE WHO JESUS IS SUBJECTED TO![/b] Jesus is the one who mediates between us and my God, and pleads on our behalf!. note: As noted Earlier and which you had always always proved me right all the time, you always run away from questions and issues that exposed you, you still refused to respond to this question! "I'll like to ask you a question, even though I know you wunt answer cus the answer will expose you. Daniel 7:13 says : 3I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. plS tell, who is the son of man and who is the ancient of days?" 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 9:08pm On Oct 23, 2016 |
@ solite3, I do not know why you deliberately alter your quotes so that one cannot quote you directly, probably you do not want to be quoted. there are no such evidences, it is all based on your false derived analogy.ill show you the evidence again, let's see if you could contradict it. EVIDENCE 1: WHO THE SCRIPTURES IDENTIFY AS THE MOST HIGH AND JESUS' RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MOST HIGH The scriptures identify Jehovah as the "most high", this fact is not derived, it is straight out of the scriptures! King James Version Ps 83:18That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth Jehovah also refers to himself as the almighty God, hence he has no God above him! Ex 6:3 [color=blue]And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them. Ps 68:4Sing to God; sing praises to his name. Sing to the One riding through the desert plains. Jah is his name! Rejoice before him! Isa 42:8I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images. The scriptures call jehovah the "most high God," this is not derived, it is a fact! Ge 14:22 But Aʹbram said to the king of Sodʹom: “I raise my hand in an oath to Jehovah the Most High God, Maker of heaven and earth, Ps 97:9 For you, O Jehovah, are the Most High over all the earth; You are exalted far above all other gods. I have used the scriptures to identify who the most high is, now does the scripture say Jesus is the most high like it emphatically say that Jehovah is the most high? The answer is NO!, this is a fact, it is not derived, no where did the scripture say Jesus is most high God! But does the scripture identify Jesus' relationship to the most high? The answer is YES! look at the verses below: [b]King James Version Lu 1:32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest:{most high} and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: *Jesus is son of the most high , he is not the most high. King James Version Mr 5:7And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. SOLITE3, WITH THE EVIDENCE ABOVE, IT IS CLEAR THAT JESUS IS NOT THE MOST HIGH GOD, BUT THE SON OF THE MOST HIGH GOD, AND SINCE THE MOST HIGH GOD IS JEHOVAH, THEN JESUS IS NOT JEHOVAH! EVIDENCE 2: PERSONALITY 2Sa 22:14Then Jehovah began to thunder from heaven; The Most High made his voice heard. The verse says concerning the most high, he "made his voice heard". This emphasises the fact that the most high(who we had identified as Jehovah) is one person, not a multiple person, therefore Jesus and the father cannot both be Jehovah. EVIDENCE 3: POSITION THE SCRIPTURES TELLS US THAT Jesus SITS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE MAJESTY ON HIGH!, this majesty is identified as God almighty. Jehovah. Visions, prophesies and even Jesus himself has identified this one as not the same person as Jesus! .Jesus IS NOT THE SAME PERSON WITH THE ONE HE IS SITTING BESIDE! [b]Ps 110:1 Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” The verse above has identified one of the two persons David mentioned here, one of them is Jehovah, who told the lord( who the next scriptures will identify as jesus). LOOK CAREFULLY AT THE NEXT VERSES AND SEE HOW THE SCRIPTURES MENTION THE TWO OF THEM IN RELATION TO DAVIDS PROPHECY. [b]Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us. Eph 1:20which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, Heb 8:1Now this is the main point of what we are saying: We have such a high priest as this, and he has sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, Heb 12:2as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. the above verses gives us the following info! 1.Jesus is the one David prophesied above and he sat down at the right hand of God. * Jesus is pleading, from who? If Jesus is jehovah, then he should be almighty God, almighty God does not plead from anyone! 2. The one who sits on the throne is called the most high, the one who sits on the throne is identified as Jehovah, how come you feel that the one who is told to sit at his right hand is also Jehovah wow!. is jehovah talking to himself when David recorded that prophecy? EVIDENCE 4: PROPHECY Jehovah prophesied about Jesus, jehovah did not prophecy about himself. In his prophecy about Jesus, jehovah called Jesus is servant, he said "my servant", showing that jehovah is a different person from Jesus! [b]Isa 42:1 Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations. Isa 52:13 Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted.[/color] To confirm that Jesus is the one jehovah is referring to, see the fulfillment here: Isa 49:7,, Lu 9:35,, Mt 3:17,, Joh 6:27,, 2Pe 1:17,, isa 61:1,, Mt 3:16,, Mt 12:15-18 SOLITE3, I HAVE SHOWN YOU THE EVIDENCE ONCE AGAIN! it is the reality many witnesses are picking up their bibles and finding out the truth for themselves.and they keep growing daily. I no not question God's word, I study them and try to come to an accurate knowledge of the truth, I DNT look for similarities, neither do I act as if I DNT see the verses when it is being quoted to me. @ bold is that an excuse or what? You could not refute it hence you are begging the question.the statement, Jehovah at times send people to act as saviors." and the scripture used to support it (Ne 9:27) are true, therefore i do need to refute it! The Israelites never referred to any of those as their saviour.get serious! , did Jehovah give the Israelites saviors as recorded in the scriptures? Yes what did the scripture call those who jehovah used tO save the Israelites ? saviors! If you like, carry the title "savior " on your forehead, you are not one if you DNT fulfill the reasons why God told you to be a savior! I've shown you that Jehovah uses anyone he so wishes to be a savior, you are waiting for them to be given title before they are called savior! Jehovah is presently using Jesus to save mankind!, all of Jesus actions, including that of saving people is to God's glory! you barely know, what you are saying. Jehovah appointed moses to lead the children of Israel out of Egypt but was there any time moses was given the title "Saviour of Israel", so Mr dolphinheart Jehovah God is the one to be acknowledged as "the Saviour of Israel" he cannot share this glory with any other!Not only do I know what I'm saying, I also quoted from the scriptures to support and confirm what I'm saying. It is a fact that Jehovah sent saviors to save the isrealites in time past, it is also a fact, supported by the scriptures that jehovah sent Jesus to save us, that is why Jesus is our savior!. Jehovah directs and provides all the saving acts. [b]Jg 3:9When the Israelites called to Jehovah for help, color=blue]Jehovah raised up a savior[/color] to rescue the Israelites, Othʹni·el the son of Keʹnaz, the younger brother of Caʹleb. Jg 2:16So Jehovah would raise up judges who would save them from the hand of their plunderers. Jg 2:18Whenever Jehovah did raise up judges for them, Jehovah would be with the judge and save them from the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for Jehovah was moved to pity over their groaning caused by those who oppressed them and those who were treating them abusively. Jg 3:15Then the Israelites called to Jehovah for help, so Jehovah raised up for them a savior, Eʹhud the son of Geʹra, a Benʹja·min·ite who was left-handed. In time the Israelites sent tribute through him to Egʹlon the king of Moʹab. Isa 19:20It will be for a sign and for a witness to Jehovah of armies in the land of Egypt; for they will cry out to Jehovah because of the oppressors, and he will send them a savior, a grand one, who will save them. Lu 2:11For today there was born to you in David’s city a savior, who is Christ the Lord. Ac 5:31 God exalted this one as Chief Agent and Savior to his right hand, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. Ac 13:23According to his promise, from the offspring of this man, God has brought to Israel a savior, Jesus. Jesus bears the title "Saviour".savior is a title? wow!, let's say it's a title, this is why Jesus bears it! [b]1Jo 4:14In addition, we ourselves have seen and are bearing witness that the Father has sent his Son as Savior of the world. dolphinheart I know the Father is a distinct person from the son.READ THE SCRIPTURES , when the command was given by God, whO does the glory of such command go to, the anserver is, to God who does not share his glory. bowing to Jesus is following the command of the one who gave it!, who receives the glory! These verses totally expose your lie.one person gave the commands, one person receives the glory when the command is carried out ! 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 1:53pm On Oct 23, 2016 |
@ solite3 You are still arguing if Jesus is God? SmhI'm telling you, with scriptural evidence that jesus is not the almighty God, and that jesus is not jehovah!, and I've supplied evidence which you could not respond to . Jesus is Jehovah God! I believe some of your members has gotten it already that's why they had disappeared. I urge you to study of the scripture without watch tower and you will be surprised to find the truth.study these versesI know you wish this to be reality, but it is just part of your wild imaginations, you can believe it all you want. As to the scriptures, Ive posted several I've studied, you could not respond to them. You always look for excuses instead . Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.I've repeatedly told you, study the scriptures and stop reading the bible with the aim of looking for similarities, such practises does not help cus it cannot stand further examinations. Jehovah at times send people to act as saviors. King James Version Ne 9:27Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies. King James Version Jg 3:15But when the children of Israel cried unto the LORD{*jehovah}, the LORD{*jehovah} raised them up a deliverer{*"savior" as several translations put it}, Ehud the son of Gera, a Benjamite, a man lefthanded: and by him the children of Israel sent a present unto Eglon the king of Moab. Even jesus knew who the saving comes from King James Version Heb 5:7Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; Ps 28:8Jehovah is a strength for his people; He is a stronghold, bringing grand salvation to his anointed one * we well know that jesus is the one anointed to be messiah by jehovah! I've now established that jehovah is the savior and he appoints whoso ever he wishes to act as savior for any purpose he wants that person to act as. so how did jesus become our savior ? The scriptures answers: [b]King James Version 1Jo 4:14And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.[/color] King James Version Ac 5:31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. SO SOLITE3, CAN YOU SEE WHO MADE JESUS TO BE OUR SAVIOR, THE ONE WHO APPOINTED JESUS AS OUR SAVIOR IS THE ONE WHO COULD SAVE US, JEHOVAH , THE ALMIGHTY GOD, THE FATHER AND GOD OF JESUS AND HIS FOLLOWERS. Knowing who God is and who he appointed as our savior the apostles could say this : King James Version Tit 1:4To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from {1}God the Father and {2}the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. *hope you remember the two persons jesus said we should have knowledge of in john 17:3 King James Version Re 7:9, 10After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. King James Version Joh 3:16 [color=blue]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. STUDY THE SCRIPTURES SOLITE3, GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT'S TELLING YOU. Jehovah urge the Israelites not to bow down unto anyother god nor serve them.you would have understood better if you had studied who gave that command to bow to jesus, why such command was given and who receives the glory when such command is carried out. jehovah commanded that every knee bows to him, jehovah later commanded that every knee should bow to his son who he had exalted to his right hand and given him a name above all others, with such action to his own glory, you read those verses but you could still not comprehend cus you read it only because you are looking for similarities. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 12:56pm On Oct 23, 2016 |
solite3:why are you afraid to quote me. 1. you could not explain the scriptures in my quote 2.you Could not counter my explanation. you also prefer to set your post in such a way it cannot be quoted why? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 12:51pm On Oct 23, 2016 |
brocab:TRUMP 1. Everything is not from the NWT, you like using this line as an excuse when confronted with verses you can't counter or explain, expecially with verses that expose you. If I use the NWT, you will complain, if I don't , you will still complain. 2. someone who is sure of what he is saying will provide facts to support his view that the scriptures quoted( that is, the verses I posted to show you that jesus is not jehovah is rigged, you could not point to even one verse among all those verses I quoted and show how it is rigged! 3. when you are being shown the truth from the scriptures, you will always find excuse. To be truthful no-one believed you from the beginning.you have done an online poll on who believes who instead of taking out time to examine the scriptures posted to you. This goes to show that you aim is to find fault with wateva means possible instead of examining the truth from the scriptures. I only admired you because you were out there who stood your ground, not like the other fools who run away with their tails between their legs.you like talking about mundane issues, using derogatory words The truth is sharing right in front of you, but you would prefer to see blind, true Believers know you will be the first one going straight into Hell, if you don't turn your ways towards the Lord God Almighty. Jehovah, the Jews never called God Jehovah in their time, they didn't use vowels back then. So what is His Name Yahweh YHWH...1. you are not the one , neither are you in a position to determine my outcome. 2. yes , the Jews never called their God Jehovah, jehovah is English and the Jews did not speak English. 3. you statement about the Jews not using vowels shows you know nothing about the issue you are talking about. THE HEBREW USED VOWELS IN THEIR SPEECH. 4. It is quite evident that you could not counter or find fault with the scriptures and explanations giving to you. When we read the prophecies given by Jehovah about jesus we realise that Jehovah and jesus are two different persons. Jehovah called jesus his servant and listed things he will do for that servant and what that servant will do for him. If David had known the name that will be given to the Messiah, the one who God anointed and told to sit at his right side, David would probably had said "Jehovah said to jesus"! In Stephens vision, he saw two persons, one who he said was God, the other he identified as jesus who was standing beside God. The visions of Stephen goes along with all the prophecies of jesus being at the right hand of the most high. I'll like to ask you a question, even though I know you wunt answer cus the answer will expose you. Daniel 7:13 says : 3I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. plS tell, who is the son of man and who is the ancient of days? 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 4:24pm On Oct 22, 2016 |
brocab:they will commend you when you say something sensible, they will also expose you when you lie!. Some do not respond to you any longer cus 1. you will not answer questions ,expecially when the answers prove your doctrine to be false 2. you always try to change the topic when exposed You do not want me to respond , that's why you don't mention my moniker, and when you do, you alter it so that it can't be posted in my mentions. you just did it above with the bolded Lets start with the truth about Christ. That there is only one true supreme God, The God of the bible.yes it's true, their is only one true supreme God, his name is Jehovah in English. The scriptures identify this one as the "most high" , the scriptures emphatically shows us that jesus is not the same person as the most high, either hers on earth or in heaven 1. King James Version Ps 83:18That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth some other verses that support the above: Ex 6:3And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them. Ps 68:4Sing to God; sing praises to his name. Sing to the One riding through the desert plains. Jah is his name! Rejoice before him! Isa 42:8I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images. 2. Ge 14:22But Aʹbram said to the king of Sodʹom: “I raise my hand in an oath to Jehovah the Most High God, Maker of heaven and earth, 3. 2Sa 22:14Then Jehovah began to thunder from heaven; The Most High made his voice heard. *note the verse did not say "their voice" it said " his voice", showing you that Jehovah is one person! 4. Ps 97:9For you, O Jehovah, are the Most High over all the earth; You are exalted far above all other gods. I have used the scriptures to identify who the most high is, now does the scripture say jesus is the most high like it emphatically say that Jehovah is the most high? The answer is NO! does it identify jesus' relationship to the most high? The answer is YES! 1. King James Version Lu 1:32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest:{most high} and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: *jesus is son of the most high , he is not the most high. 2. King James Version Mr 5:7And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. THE SCRIPTURES TELLS US THAT JESUS SITS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE MAJESTY ON HIGH!, this majesty is identified as God almighty, Jehovah. Visions, prophesies and even jesus himself has identified this one as not the same person as jesus! .JESUS IS NOT THE SAME PERSON WITH THE ONE HE IS SITTING BESIDE! And His Name is YHWH. YHWH is usually translated as LORD. Out of reverence for the Holiness of God, the Jews stopped saying God's Name, 100 years BC.And you have preffered(cus of false doctrines) to follow the Jews who stopped saying God's name rather than following God who wanted his name known and declared to all! So the correct pronunciation of YHWH is uncertain the Hebrew language does not contain vowels. But we can ascertain the first syllable of God's Name is probably pronounced "Yah" because it is found in the word Hallelujah {Halleluyah} Hallelujah means prise the LORD. Or more correctly praise YHWH.I Am that I Am ( אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה , ehyeh ašer ehyeh [ehˈje aˈʃer ehˈje] ) is the common English translation ( JPS among others) of the response God used in the Hebrew Bible when Moses asked for his name ( Exodus 3:14 ). It is one of the most famous verses in the Torah. Hayah means "existed" in Hebrew; ehyeh is the first person singular imperfect form and is usually translated in English Bibles as "I am" or "I will be" (or "I shall be"  , for example, at Exodus 3:14. Ehyeh asher ehyeh literally translates as "I Am Who I Am." The ancient Hebrew of Exodus 3:14 lacks a future tense as modern English does, yet a few translations render this name as "I Will Be What I Will Be", given the context of Yahweh promising to be with his people through their future troubles. [1] Both the literal present tense "I Am" and the future tense "I will be" have given rise to many attendant theological and mystical implications in Jewish tradition. However, in most English Bibles, in particular the King James Version , the phrase is rendered as I am that I am.Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh (often contracted in English as "I AM" ) is one of the Seven Names of God accorded special care by medieval Jewish tradition. [2] The phrase is also found in other world religious literature, used to describe the Supreme Being, generally referring back to its use in Exodus. The word Ehyeh is considered by many rabbinical scholars to be a first-person derivation of the Tetragrammaton , see for example Yahweh . ......wikipedia/I_Am_that_I_Am Job 23:13When he is determined, who can resist him? When he wants to do something, he does it. Isa 14:27For Jehovah of armies has decided, And who can thwart it? His hand is stretched out, And who can turn it back? God's Name is the "I am" that gives a sense of enigmatic, transcendent and eternal nature of God {Revelation 1:8}.FALSE!, such teachings cannot be found in the scriptures, arguments for the belief of such teachings can only be supported through derived , man made analogy The facts are that Jesus Christ is Yahweh can be determined by comparing the following Old Testament verse with the New Testament verses. {Joel 2:32} That who ever call upon the LORD Yahweh will be saved. This verse is quoted by Peter in {Acts 2:21 and Paul in Romans 10:13} Both apostles were referring Jesus as the LORD.Joe 2:32[b]And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved;[/b] For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, just as Jehovah has said, The survivors whom Jehovah calls.” therefore if Paul and peter where quoting that verse like you said, they would have pronounced Gods name as Joel would have when recording that verse!, and not the modified version of those who want God's name hidden!. so Peter and Paul where not referring to jesus, but to his God and father, the one who sent jesus, "Jehovah"!. To further show you who peter was referring to , let's look at the context of that quote. Peter was talking about Joel's prophecy and how it has just been fulfilled! examine carefully the underlined parts! King James Version Ac 2:16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; Ac 2:17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: Peter knows fully well what Joel said, he knows that Jehovah was the one who prophesied about given the holy spirit in the last days, he knows for certain who gave them the holy spirit, that that person is his God and father (as jesus had previously thought him), no wonder he stated this while talking about jesus' role to show that Joel's prophecy has been fulfilled! [color]King James Version Ac 2:33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.[/color] This verses prove further that jesus , who sits at the right hand of Jehovah , is not Jehovah! Jehovah is the most high jesus sits at the right side of the most high Jehovah gives the holy spirit jesus sits at the right hand of the one wHo gave the holy spirit Jehovah is the father jesus calls the father our God WE HAVE ONE GOD, OUR FATHER! {Isaiah 40:3} speaks about preparing the wayr the LORD Yahweh {Mark 1:3} we also see that Jesus is the LORD.read the scriptures and understand, jesus has said several times that he was sent by God, to do God's will, all he did was for Jehovah, not for himself. He teaches us what Jehovah told him to teach us. He gave us the fathers will!. BECAUSE JESUS CAME TO DO THE FATHERS COMMAND AND WILL DOES NOT MEAN JESUS IS THE FATHER, IT SURELY DOES NOT MEAN JESUS IS JEHOVAH! {Isaiah 6:1-10} We read about the marvellous vision Isaiah had revealing the Glory of the LORD Yahweh.read from verse 38-50, you will understand better!, stop trying to contradict the scriptures! {Isaiah 44:6} LORD Yahweh refers to Himself as the "first and the Last" {Revelation 1:1-8 and 17} Jesus refers to Himself He is the Alpha and Omega and the first and the last.false! , read rev 1:1, 4-6. {Zecheriah 12:10} The LORD said they will look on Me who have pierced, This is obviously Jesus speaking though {Psalms 22:16, John 19:34} This passage from Zachariah appears in {Revelation 1:7} and its clearly about Jesus.false! The kjv when recording that quote of zech said : King James Version Joh 19:37And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced. if psalms 22: 16 refers to jesus, then surely jesus is not Jehovah, look at what verse 19 says : Ps 22:19But you, O Jehovah, do not remain far away. You are my strength; hurry to help me. The truth is there if one chooses to find it..So come on JW's lets look seriously into the bible. The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit is Jesus...READ THE SCRIPTURES BROCAB, DNT SELECT VERSES THAT YOU FEEL YOU CAN MODIFY TO SUIT YOUR AIM. JEHOVAHs prophecies about jesus and how jesus fulfilled them has shown that Jehovah is not Jesus. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Happens After Death? (Christian POV) by dolphinheart(m): 8:37pm On Oct 19, 2016 |
ajanma2:what happens to humans when they die? bible answers King James Version Ec 9:5For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Ec 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Ec 9:10Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. Ge 3:19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. Ps 115:17The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence. Ps 146:4His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is The King Of The Jews: Jesus Or Jehovah? by dolphinheart(m): 6:27pm On Oct 18, 2016 |
SisterMe:when one studies the scriptures, it will be easy to understand some issues that seem confusing . The scripture has shown that jesus and jehovah are not same person or same entity, this we can discern when we look at the prophecies Jehovah made about jesus and how jesus fulfilled them. The issue of " king of isreal is easy to understand, look at the following scriptures: [b]1Sa 8:7and Jehovah said to Samuel: “Listen to everything the people say to you; for it is not you whom they have rejected, but it is I whom they have rejected as their king. 2Sa 5:12And David knew that Jehovah had firmly established him as king over Israel and had exalted his kingdom for the sake of His people Israel. Ps 47:2For Jehovah the Most High is awe-inspiring; He is the great King over all the earth. Ps 2:6Saying: “I myself have installed my king On Zion, my holy mountain.” Lu 1:32, 33 This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father ,33and he will rule as King over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end to his Kingdom.” Joh 1:49Na·thanʹa·el responded: “Rabbi, you are the Son of God, you are King of Israel.” Jer 23:5“Look! The days are coming,” declares Jehovah, “when I will raise up to David a righteous sprout. And a king will reign and show insight and uphold justice and righteousness in the land. Mt 1:1The book of the history of Jesus Christ, son of David, son of Abraham:[/b] so do not be deceived by trinitarians, that jesus is king does not mean that jesus is jehovah. jesus is God's son, Jesus is not the God he is the son of. study the prophecies, study it's fulfilment!, jesus is not the most high, he sits at the right hand of the most high |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did The Curse Of Adam And Eve Affect Most Of The Other Animals? by dolphinheart(m): 5:51pm On Oct 18, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord:in reference to the pain that women experience during childbirth and that of animals, a person with a plain mind can easily understand what God said: King James Version Ge 3:16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. The bolded says it all, the curse was an increase in childbirth pain, not an introduction of childbirth pain. Therefore I personally believe that animals and humans where supposed to experience varying degrees of child birth pain before the curse. The food issue is a non issue, one can argue that such migration ensures the fitness and survival of such animals, it also ensures that the environment is not permanently destroyed and vital elements are redistributed. One can also say such arrangements have been altered by man's in perfect influence. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by dolphinheart(m): 12:48pm On Oct 16, 2016 |
RabbaRabbi:but I've already asked you na, you have not responded. check my post to you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Doubt About Hell? Come In And Ask Your Question: by dolphinheart(m): 5:44pm On Oct 14, 2016 |
RabbaRabbi , you refused to give answers to my question, thought you said we can ask you questions. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Not Get The Perspective Of Jehovah's Witnesses? Ask Ur Questions Here. by dolphinheart(m): 11:05pm On Oct 13, 2016 |
JMAN05:yes you are right, there is good in getting a certificate. 3 Likes |
As I had already told you I have explained