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Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 1:41pm On Nov 10, 2016
johnw74:
How you love to lie, again the subject is "Jehovah means God", that's the subject you have changed.
in all my post to you on these issue, I've always said with facts that Jehovah does not mean God, I've shown you that no one except you says "Jehovah means God"
I've shown you the Hebrew word for God and it's numbering, they did not say God means Jehovah.
I've shown you that Jehovah is the name of God.

see your lies, again the subject that you are running away from is "Jehovah means God" not "Jehovah is the name of God", that is true also, but not the subject oh lying one.
The subject I'm after is Jehovah is the name of God, that was my first statement when this issue began, it's good you have accepted that Jehovah is the name of God, but no one has ever said Jehovah means God except you.



No lie lie you have not once given proof that Jehovah doesn't mean God, you even said in one of your posts that Jehovah does mean God, and it wasn't a typo, it was confusion like most of the rest that you say, what a lie lie you are.
dwell on it all you want, it was a typo error that has been corrected.



I certinally do believe that Jehovah is a name for God, I could say it a hundred times and you would still say I don't,
showing that you are fully entrenched in lying
I never said you don't believe that Jehovah is a name for God, you created such beliefs yourself, but I know you don't believe and agree that Jehovah is the name of God as stated by the dictionaries , the bible and even your own kjv, none of the aforementioned ever said Jehovah is a name for God(a statement for emulated by you and your kind)


how you do love to lie and take after your god.

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


Jehovah is a name for God, have never altered that
funny you don't post all these quotes of things you claim I said and done, ha ha

you way heap big lie lie dolphinheart
you did not alter what you believed in, you altered what the dictionaries and bible said , Jehovah is the name of God.
dictionaries and the kjv: " Jehovah is the name of God"
johnw74: "Jehovah is a name for God"
totally different statements!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 1:20pm On Nov 10, 2016
solite3:
[ here you go again! I will skip this
no problem, as long as the issue does not occur again


did you see any contradiction in my post?
did I say the contradiction is in your post ? Go back to that post and read it very well, you are trying to avoid what I said their!

other gods that are false gods?
John17:3 has already render other gods apart from God as false. if there are other gods and yet only one is the true God even a 3yrs old will tell you they are false?
that is your own understanding, the verse never said so!, note the verse only identifies the father as the only true God, it did not say God is the only true God. The verse also separates the person of jesus from the father!
The verse also corresponds with all the other verses in the scriptures where jesus and the disciples identified the father as the one God, as their God and the only true God.

to you pagans they are gods but to we christians they are no gods for there is only one God.
All others false gods!
1. Are you saying God is in the midst of false God's?
2. cus stating the disciples statement in full will expose you, so you cut off who they identified as the one God? they said : there is actually to us one God, the Father!
The father is the one God jesus and the disciples worship, that means your one God is different from the one God of the disciples.

We also know that jesus is the mediator between us and that one God, always pleading for us at the side of that one God!, so jesus is not that one God!
1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,
Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
Almighty god is not at the right hand of himself pleading to himself! stop the false derived teachings solite3.

depends on which heaven,

@ bold yea they are gods but they are false gods


John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


It is a shame you dont believe Jesus words neither Jehovah's word.
so which heaven was that verse talking about?
who did that verse identify as our God?
who did jesus identify as the only true God?
Note, refusal to answer these questions will end our discussion for a while.

And Jesus told you he and his father are one.
pls confirm if the following answers are right or wrong, your refusal to confirm means they are right
1. did jesus say he and the father are one God? No
2. Did jess request that his disciples be one just as he and the father are one? Yes
3. does the disciples being one mean they are one person or human? No
4. did jesus request that the disciples become one with him and the father? Yes
5. Does this mean they become God? no?
6. does this mean they become one God or part of the persons in one god? No

IF THE ANSWERS TO THIS QUESTIONS ARE CORRECT, THEN IT MEANS BEING ONE WITH ANOTHER DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE ONE PERSON, ONE GOD OR ONE ENTITY!

what a shame! This is how you have degenerated to. 
In order words Jehovah is not the only true God.
Hummmmm. 

Which god has the same nature as Jehovah?
The shame is on you, cus you could not agree with the scriptures that the father is the only true God.
answer to your question: jesus , and the angels . They are all spirits!, they are called god, gods.

very stupid of you.
Who is the god of this world? you need a brain check. After Jesus has declared only Jehovah as the true God?
being abusive with the use of derogatory words will not stop me from asking you to answer the question!
who is the God of this world as mentioned in 2 cor 4:4?

and Jehovah said there are no other god? 
you cant differentiate between a metaphor and a literal word?
simple question , you prefer to rant than to answer!
2. who are the gods that God has taken his place in the mist of?
English Standard Version
God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:


[quote]Jehovah is the most high of deities that are worship by men.
Does this make those deities truly are gods? Mtscheeew!
Jehovah wunt be higher than any other god IF THERE ARE NO OTHER GOD!,
you can't be a higher human than a dog, cus the dog is not a human, but you can be a higher animal than the dog cus the dog is an animal.
You can't be a better thing if you are the only thing, it is the presence of other things that determines if you are better or higher.
It is the present of other gods that determines how high a god Jehovah is, that is why the scriptures said he is the most high, the highest, the supreme being!

the god of this world have blinded your eyes thats why you thin the devil is God. 
False witness, you said Jesus is a god, while the devil is God.
Why dont you go and worship your idol god satan who masqurades as Jehovah.
Satan witnesses like father like son.
I m not surprise though.
1. you scratched my statement, are you saying they are false, are you saying Jehovah sits in the midst of false gods?
Your answer is very important.

2.pls snow where I said " the devil is God"
refusal to show where I said so will mean you are a liar who uses false accusations!
If you do not show me, I might not respond to your reply, I don't like people who make false accusations.

3. I asked a simple question, you refused to answer: Is the god of these world an idol?

my father is a human and i m the son of my father therefore i m not a lesser human than my father Jesus has God's nature therefore Jesus is not a lesser God than his father.
1. Are my statements wrong: "you have same nature with your father, it does not make you your father or equal to your father! YOU ARE TWO DIFFERENT BEING, Jesus SITS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, HE IS NOT THE GOD HE IS SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF."

I personally believe that the above statements are correct.

2. tHe following are facts(dispute them, note they are numbered)
1.your father is a different person from you despite the fact that both of you are human.
2. your father is a different human from you, he has a mind and body different from yours
3. even though you have same nature as your father, you have different personalities, bodies, talents, skills, shape, features, will, thinking , opinion, views, fellings from your father.
4. If the above are true , then you are both humans, but not the same human , and definitely not the same being!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m):
brocab:
Didn't you hear me correctly-the creator's name appears In Modern KJV as Jehovah, 7 Times-some say 4 times in the 1611 "Iehovah".
brocab, be sincere, which kjv version are you using, and does the word Jehovah appear in that version?
If the name Jehovah appears in the translation that you fully accepted , do you view the use of that word as silly?

I know you can't seem to get it through your head but God has many different names-in different languages-and you believe Jehovah is the only name that's given to God. Well you are wrong once again.
Jehovah is English , most languages have their own way of transliterating the tetragrammaton. The Hebrews and Greeks do not pronounce God's son name as "jesus" or do they?, they pronounce it differently . people who speak yoruba here pronounce it as "jesu". people who speak English say " jesus".

Secondly , I'll like to ask you, what name did God tell you directly that he bears, he told us directly that "this is my name".

Let's look up Wikipedia and let it tell us where and how the name Jehovah came into place-but first-what you are not understanding is Jehovah's name didn't carry on through the hole bible.? {7 times only} And it really doesn't make sense-why only 7 times-why not the hole bible? And another thing Dolphinheart if Jehovah is God's name then why is Jehovah the LORD's name too?
Iehovah El, Elohim, I Am, Savour, Shepherd, Lord, and it keeps on going-He said to Moses "I Am "That I Am" in this case God can be anyone-who He pleases to be-and I still believe Jehovah sounds silly-because Jehovah was only written no-more then 7 times in the hole KJV.
You are very much confused , the Hebrew tetragrammaton which is translated as Jehovah in the kjv of occurs over 6000 times in the scriptures, you need to ask the authors of the kjv why they translated it only seven or 4 times as Jehovah, and refuse to do so for the about 6000 other times the word was found in the scriptures. probably they wanted to help the devil in hiding God's name!

It is interesting to see them translate God's name as "lord" when there is another Hebrew word for lord, and those two Hebrew words don't mean the same things. It is this action of the kjv that is confusing you, thinking God's name only occurs a few times in the scriptures, no wonder you could not answer me if the
tetragrammaton is present in a particular verse.

And yet the Names [color=#000099]LORD Lord and God is written throughout. The Wikipedia say's The proper name in Hebrew for God is YHWH--The consensus among scholars is that the historical vocalization of the telegrammaton at the time of the redaction of the Torah {6th century BCE} is most likely Yahweh. The historical vocalization was lost because in {Second Temple Judaism} During the 3rd and 2 Centuries BCE. the pronunciation of the telegrammaton came to be avoided being substituted with {Adonai} "My Lord" The Hebrew Vowel points of {Adonai} were added to the telegrammaton by the Masoretes and the resulting form was transliterated around the 12 century as Yahweh.
The derive forms Iehovah-Jehovah first appeared in the 16th century.
Jehovah was popularised in the English speaking world by William Tyndale, and other pioneer English protestants translations such as Geneva bible and the King James version, it is still used in some translations, such as the New World Translation and Young's literal translation. But it does not appear in most mainstream English translations, as the term Lord or LORD used instead generally indicating that the corresponding is Yahweh or YHWH.
So by this it was Man, not God who pronounce God's Name Jehovah.
Read up on your history Dolphinheart. and Haba back to you..
You are learning small small, you have seen how people who wanted to hide God's name, like their forefathers did , replaced God's name with LORD,Lord and God, knowing fully well that their are other Hebrew words for them, and they don't have the same meaning.
This deliberate action(created by the devil and followed by your forefathers) has prevented people from knowing how the true pronunciation of God's name sounds, Jehovah is the generally agreed pronunciation in English, that is why the tetragrammaton is translated as such in English, even though those who want to remove Gods name change it to a title most times!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 11:07am On Nov 10, 2016
brocab:
Jesus was "Called the Son of God" it doesn't mean He truly is. The bible describe Him as a part being of God-3 in One, I and the Father are One. It took all three to create the heavens and the Earth.
1.you have now flipped back, agreing that you said Jesus is not the son of God.
2. The scriptures never ever in any verse say or implied that God is 3 in 1. It repeatedly tells you that God is one, the father!, Jesus tells you that God is the father, the disciples tells you that God is the father!
There The is no-mention God even had a Son in the Old Testament.
you don't need to split the scriptures to find a leeway, all the scriptures are from jehovah and he determines when to reveal certain things to us.
When did Jehovah send Jesus (read carefully)
Heb 1:1Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways.
Heb 1:2 Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.

Do you understand, God spoke to us through his son, his heir, at a particular time!. God sent someone to us, he said the person he sent is his son, his servant, his only begotten son, who he later exalted and put at his right side .

Jesus is preferred as God in the scriptures, {John 1:1,14}
The disCiples tell us(in verses that cannot be disputed) that the father is their God, he is also the God of jesus(even after Jesus had gone to heaven). Jesus tells us that the father commands him, sent him and that the father is his God and our God, in no verse had Jesus ever said he is our God!
You formulate things from derived analogy, refusing to see the direct statements from the scriptures

{John 20:28} Thomas said My Lord and My God.
{Titus 2:13} Wait for the coming of our God and savour Jesus Christ.
Thomas knew God who came in the flesh.
{Hebrews 1:8} The Father say's to His Son, your throne O'God is forever and ever..
Now why would the Most High call Jesus O'God-if they weren't One with each other, God saves-Jesus saves and came here to live amongst men and He became knowing to His people, He is the Son Of God.
It was the Spirit that told "John the baptised" who also was filled with the Holy Spirit, was told this is My Son in Him I Am well pleased.
Not everyone around John that day, heard the Spirit say this to John.
If they did they wouldn't try and stone Jesus when He called Himself the Son of God.
So how simple does this sound-it must be difficult, only because the Spirit of God isn't in you-for anyone else who has the Spirit of God in them, understands how simple this is.
The last time all of these where explained to you, you ran away
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 1:36pm On Nov 09, 2016
johnw74:
Yes Jehovah does mean God, that's what I have been saying.




All of your lying, twisting, changing the subject and playing on words has you in a continual state of confusion.

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
that was a typo error and it has been modified, you have again started this your dubious method of erasing parts of a post you are responding to!
only dubious people do such
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 1:28pm On Nov 09, 2016
johnw74:
false accuser, you have done multiple post on Jehovah being the name of God,
whereas the subject is the meaning of Jehovah, oh running away one

false accuser, you have said more than once that Jehovah doesn't mean God, oh lying one
Look at your own words :
You say Jehovah means the name of God but Jehovah doesn't mean God, ha ha

Did I ever say the above? NOOOOO!
SO I BEG YOU, STOP LYING AGAINST ME!

the adjective "self existent" describes Jehovah,
the noun "the self existent" is Jehovah, and Jehovah is God
Yes Jehovah is God , a self existent God, but Jehovah does not mean God, Jehovah is the name of God, self existent does not mean God!

Jehovah means the self existent
the self existrent means God
Jehovah means God. so simple, but not for the blinded.[/quoted]
I do not support formulated personal theory, you have seen what they tell you about Jehovah, Jehovah himself tells you that that is his name!

[quote]God has different names with different meanings, He cannot be limited in any way, certinally not by the few meanings given in a dictionary.
We are dealing here with the self existent being the meaning of Jehovah
Give me one example of where God said my name is so so and so!



duh, we know Jehovah means Jewish national name of God
Jehovah also means the self existent, which is what I am discussing and what you keep running away from
Good, you are getting it small small, notice that your source nor any other source taught you that Jehovah means God.
neither have you seen it anywhere that God means Jehovah.
One who formulates his own laws and teachings will have a had time learning!

Ha ha, the blind as a bat one accuses of confusion
you take after your god

2Co 4:3  But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 
2Co 4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 

Rev_12:10  And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
I know you will start abusive speech, after showing you what the kjv said about Jehovah!

look again , my God is different from yours , look at my God below :
King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.


I have one God, the father , and not " one God, the spirit son and father!"
Col 1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

King James Version
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 12:54pm On Nov 09, 2016
brocab:
The JW's did print the NKJV I did use for quite sometime, matter of fact I was reading the NKJV without knowing it didn't line up with the Word of God as the Old KJV does..
Only Seven times Jehovah was written in the Old Testament of the Old KJV {Genesis, Judges, and Psalms once, while it appears twice in Isaiah and Exodus} That's it, no other verses pronounces His Name. Not like your bible you have written Jehovah even in the New Testament.
"SATAN'S FINAL DECEPTION" The JW's printed the NKJV on their own pressers, by 1992 the Witnesses had produced 1,858,368 copies.
An interesting note that needs to be knowing, is that {Hebrews 9:15-20} in the NKJV lines up side by side with the New World Translation bible, lets look more into this and look at the doctrines dealing with Salvation the NWT and the NKJV both bibles line up.
The NKJV that was printed on the JW's pressers confuses people about salvation in {Hebrews 10:14} it replaces the original KJV "that are Sanctified" with "are being Sanctified"
In {1 Corinthians 1:18, and 2 Corinthians 2:15} The Words "may believe" Have been replaced "may continual to believe" in {1 John 5:13}
The Old straight and "Narrow" way of {Matthew 7:14} has become "difficult" Way in the NKJV.
The NKJV "gives no command to study Gods Word" nor does the NWT "gives no command" {2 Timothy 2:15}
KJV {Matthew 20:20} Then came to Him the Mother of Zebedee's children with Her son's, "Worshipping Him"
NKJV Came to Him "kneeling down".
A deadly translation indeed.
{Daniel 7:25} He will speak against the Most High and shall wear out the saints of the most High and think to change times and laws, and the Holy ones will be handed over to him for a time, times, and half a time..
OH MY! So the word "jehovah is present in the bible that you use, you say it's a wrong word, yet you use that bible! habA! why use a bible that inserted a silly word ?

A beg plus tell me, what is the Hebrew word that they translitered to jehovah? how many times does that word occur in your bible?

see how your lies is unravelling!, so the word jehovah is present in your bible!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 12:49pm On Nov 09, 2016
johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart


you are running away again changing the subject
duh yes Jehovah is a name for God, duh most know that

address my issues instead of twisting and changing the subject which is lying and deceit.


My subject as you know is "Jehovah means God", address what I have said on that and see if it's possible for you to stop lying.

ha ha we already know that is not possible, don't we


Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
what subject have I changed , have I deviated from showing you with proof that jehovah is the name of God ?
have I deviated from showing you with proof that Jehovah does not mean God. I did not have to alter or add to the proof, I did not have to redefine their explanations to arrive at an alternate explanation.
They told you the truth, Jehovah is the name of God, you saw the truth in the scriptures, Jehovah said " that is my name!. You checked your own dictionary, it tells you that Jehovah is the name of the Jews! yet you do not belief, you prefer to alter it without proof that they said " Jehovah is the the name for God" cus you do not know the difference between "of" and "for".
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 12:38pm On Nov 09, 2016
brocab:
Jehovah Witnesses falsely claim the bible removed YHWH' {Tetragrammaton} From the Old Testament.
The truth is, the JW's had added the divine name in the New Testament where it is never found in the original Greek Manuscripts, and blame the bible as being corrupted from the original where the YHWH was once found.
Rather then trashing their false doctrine, they trash the Bible.
It is obvious truth that the Jehovah Witnesses spell YHWH wrong as "Jehovah" is the fact that the "J" doesn't exist in Hebrew, Greek, or Latin, further the English language did not have the letter "J" before about 1500 AD. For example the very first addition of the KJV printed in 1611 AD CONTAINED NO "j".Not even one, instead the letter "I" for Jew Jesus, Joshua, John, Joanna.
In a stunning admission, Jehovah Witnesses tell us that the reason why they continual to use "Jehovah" instead of the correct spelling "Yahweh" is too be pleasing to Man-Not God.
One of the first things that JW new converts learn from their cultic Watchtower organisation, is a lie that all bibles is corrupt because they removed the tetregrammaton from the Old Testament. This sums it up pretty well..
Most JW's are so dismally mis-informed about the matter that they have an Idea how to even find the tetregrammaton in the original in Hebrew text of the Old Testament, much less then heard the item "Tetregrammaton"
What the JW's don't know is they are the ones who are truly guilty of adding the word of God, because of the New World Translation {The JW sectarian paraphrase they call a bible} Actually adds the word "Jehovah" in the New Testament 237 times where it is never found.
So the hard cold fact is that the New World Translation adds "Jehovah" into the New Testament 237 times where there is absolutely no ancient manuscripts evidence of any kind to support it.
I think this sizes it up pretty well..
YOU COULD NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION, ALWAYS TRYING TO USE MUNDANE ISSUES TO COVER IT UP!


[b]YOU ARE A LIAR, IS THE TETRAMAGRAM THAT IS ACCEPTED AS GODS NAME, THAT IS TRANSLATED AS JEHOVAH PRESENT IN THAT VERSE OR NOT?
If you wanto to lie, lie better lie, don't fomulate falsehood that can be easily debunked . 

I asked you a question about the kjv, you could not respond. popularity does not mean truth. narrow is the way and few are the ones finding it!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 12:36pm On Nov 09, 2016
solite3:
see excuse!
Ithe is not an excuse, so many times did I have to take time to filter your posts, to remove my own words from your post, so many times did I have to quote you , only to find a blank page when I click on quote, I do not want to go through that stress again , after advising you so many times to solve and correct the way you post.

I never said the scripture contradicts itself stop lying!
read, read statements properly and understand it, I don't see where I accused you about scripture contradiction in that post, I asked you a simple question, I wonder when questions turned to lies again.

It is you that said there are other gods besides Jehovah, when he said there is no one like him.
It is not me that identified other gods, it's the scriptures, do you want me to show you again?
Yes there is no God like Jehovah!

Did i refuse to explain? Here is the real explanation.
a god is a diety.

The word god can be used in the following ways

It can be used as a metaphor for rulers and powerful persons.

For example sons of God are called gods because they are great.
Another example is God making moses a god over pharaoh meaning moses was going to be made a powerful psrson in the eyes of pharaoh that pharaoh would fear moses.
Note: that it just a metaphor not to be taken literarily.
The second It can also be used to refer to deities that pagan worship.
1. provide the source of these your explanation , because it does not correspond with the general meaning of god!
2. I do not like personaly formulated definitions, only people who want to protect their lies do so
3. its good that you understand that others apart from Jehovah are called gods. now the issue is : are they gods or they are not gods! , the scripture say they are god's

1 Corinthians 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

why did paul said that there are many gods?
Because paul was speaking of the gods that exist in this world not the true of real God.
gods that exist in this world in heaven? do you understand your statement at all?
good that you call them gods, just like the scripture did!

Paul in the next verse said but to us there is one God even the Father.

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Those gods are not gods by nature!
Good that you know that the one god is the father, he is the one Jesus describes as our God, as his God, the head of Jesus!
That god(God of Jesus) is Jehovah the almighty who exalted Jesus, called Jesus his heir, gave him a name and sat him at his right hand!


Galatians 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
Good that you know that some are by nature gods while some are not gods by nature

Jehovah said he is the only God there is no god besides him although other people may have other gods but israel had only one God, christians has only one God who is the true God.
Jehovah refers to himself as God meaning the real God.
1. who is the god of this world :
King James Version
2Co 4:4In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


2. who are the gods that God has taken his place in the mist of?
English Standard Version
God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:


3. why is Jehovah the most high god if there are no other gods he is higher than?

the bible also said that the gods of the heathen are idols meaning vanity.
yes we know that, and Jehovah does not sit in their midst!

Psalms 96:5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.
Is the God of this world an idol?

If Jesus has the nature of the true God does that not make Jesus the true God?
No! you have same nature with your father, it does not make you your father or equal to your father! YOU ARE TWO DIFFERENT BEING, JESUS SITS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, HE IS NOT THE GOD HE IS SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 6:42pm On Nov 07, 2016
brocab:
Interesting? So Jehovah doesn't mean God either-so who is Jehovah?
This really sounds silly, if Jehovah means God to you-then you call him God god..
first admit that you lied against me, I never said what you said I said!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 6:40pm On Nov 07, 2016
brocab:
It's more likely you have a lot to learn-Yes it is, Jehovah Iehovah [yah-ho vah} was never found in the 1611 KJV no "J" is written, Jesus is written as Iesus {Yay-shu} the Hebrew name is Yehoshua.
AS TIME WENT BY PEOPLE USED THEIR OWN SPELLING.
Good that you now understood how the letter J came about, so now why do you not call Iesus, why do you say jesus? knowing fully well that the letter J was not in the KJV?
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 6:35pm On Nov 07, 2016
brocab:
And we Christians are the few, sorry has anyone seen Dolphinheart?
YOU COULD NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION, ALWAYS TRYING TO USE MUNDANE ISSUES TO COVER IT UP!


[b]YOU ARE A LIAR, IS THE TETRAMAGRAM THAT IS ACCEPTED AS GODS NAME, THAT IS TRANSLATED AS JEHOVAH PRESENT IN THAT VERSE OR NOT?
If you wanto to lie, lie better lie, don't fomulate falsehood that can be easily debunked . 

I asked you a question about the kjv, you could not respond. popularity does not mean truth. narrow is the way and few are the ones finding it!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 6:31pm On Nov 07, 2016
brocab:
Yes they started to print the King James in America in the early 1900's.
The JW's followed after the King James bible until around the 1950's sometime after they wrote the New World Translation bible in 1960.
Until 1950 Jehovah Witnesses genially used the Authorised King James Version of the bible, However, the use of this translation of the scriptures created great problems for Witnesses in their proselytizes efforts, this only happen because a straightforward reading of the texts clearly contradicts every major teachings of the Watchtowers society.
In 1940 Nathan Knorr, than prescient of the Watchtower society proposed that the JW's produce their own New World Translation bible, the work had began in 1947 and finished in 1960.
{Lets look at Charles Russell a man on heavy medication Drugs-that through his aggressive behaviour towards his own wife who later divorce him, she walked away, Charles was a 33 rd degree Freemason who could only twist his words against the word of God}
Another Freemason who started up His Church J. Smith one that started the Mormons-both have simpler teachings, and both tried to destroy the truth about Christ-both organisations are classed as Cults.
Think about that Dolphinheart..
I said it, I said you are a liar and thus will not answer the question when you respond to my post:

DID THE JW PRINT THE KING JAMES VERSION YOU ARE USING?
DOES THE KJV VERSION YOU ARE USING HAVE THE WORD JEHOVAH IN IT?
CAN YOU POST ONE OF THOSE VERSES?

you will not answer these questions cus you are a liar!


YOU JUST PROVED ME RIGHT AGAIN!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 6:25pm On Nov 07, 2016
brocab:
No you keep on saying I said He isn't the Son of God-it isn't your fault that you believe otherwise-your bible shows little truth-listen we blame your organisation they are the cause of all you lost souls ready to face the condemnation of Hell.
stop lying, you said Jesus is not the son of God, and I showed you where you said it on more than one occasion!

The word of God must drive you crazy-with the verses you lay down every time you answer back, trying to turn the bible to war against itself.
you wish. you cant provide one single example to support your false accusations.
Your arguments isn't an argument-you are warring against the Spirit-every scripture that had been quoted are from the same KJ's bible. Haba...
excuse you give when you see the truth and can't counter it!

God raised up Jesus from the dead-along with His Spirit and Jesus raised Himself up, as the scriptures are written.
Jesus knew who could raise him up from the dead, and he prayed fervently and vigorously to that one!
When God resurrected him, he placed him at his right hand, God did not resurrect himself nor place himself at his own right hand! God did not give himself a new name!
Like you quoted {Romans 8:11} So this argument is no longer an argument. And all the other mixer of verses, and with your so called explaining doesn't follow.
why are you afraid to quote and explain them!

Now finely you agree God is Spirit, and it was His Holy Spirit that raised up Jesus. {Romans 8:11}
So Dolphinheart try again...
You are so full of lies, I never said so!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 6:13pm On Nov 07, 2016
brocab:
So if Dolphinheart believes there are other God's then he needs to figure out which God he recognises-which God he worships?
King James Version
1Co 8:5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.


Like the disciples, my God is the father, and the father alone, you on the other hand have added more than the father to your God!

Jesus told me who my God is
King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.


I know Jesus mediates between me and my God!
1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,
Jehovah means Lord right? But he treats the Lord, like this, the JW's had given Him the above name above all. The Almighty.
[color=#000099]So without him ever understanding it, the JW's had recognised the lord as the Almighty, we Christians know God and Jesus carries the same name.
Wrong!, Jehovah does not mean lord. Lord is a different word with different meaning!

So the question is, "which god do they truly worship in their hearts?
JW's plus the Mormons and the Seven day Adventist walk side by side, they all believe in the same Rubbish-and when we look into it a little further we have nutters everywhere-some believe they were reincarnated and they returned back as Jesus, and there followers will always be followers.
All of these denominations have got to answer to the Lord when Judgement day arrives. It's a large risk to take, Jesus said go out unto all nations preaching His Gospel-not their gospel..
Many like the JW's believe Jesus was the Archangel Michael-so the truth is they worship after angels-and of course it is forbidden to do so.
But do they listen-preachers a business people-they either preach the truth about the gospel, or they steer it away from God's creation.

We just need to see the evidence around us..
I have used the scriptures to show you the God I worship, it is evident you don't worship that God!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 5:54pm On Nov 07, 2016
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Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 1:41pm On Nov 07, 2016
brocab:
Try this one for size-The most obvious proof that Jehovah Witnesses spell YHWH wrong, as, "Jehovah" is the fact that the letter "J" doesn't exist in Hebrew Greek Latin, further the English language did not have the letter "J" before about 1500 AD, for example the very first edition of the KJV printed in 1611 AD Contained no "J" Not even one, instead the letter "I" is used for Jews.
You have a lot to learn, Is letter J not in jesus! is jesus a wrong spelling of the name of God?
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 1:37pm On Nov 07, 2016
brocab:
Bless Dolphinheart's heart-finely he is looking in the opposite direction.
Even if Jehovah means Lord-they recognise and worship Him as the Almighty God. And they don't even know it..
LIAR! nowhere have I said "Jehovah means lord"
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 1:31pm On Nov 07, 2016
solite3:
[ i didnt do it on purpose
then solve it, learn how to quote!


Yes , a mighty god, but he is not the same god as the father, the father is the almighty God, the supreme being, the most high God, the one jesus and the disciples told us to worship.
Ps 82:1God takes his place in the divine assembly; In the middle of the gods he judges: does that imply that there are two gods?

the scripture above identifies God Judging in the middle of other gods, their are other God's apart from the Almighty God. [/b]you can only be most high if their are others you are higher than. If their are no other, then you are not higher than anyone. @ bold wow shocked dolphinheart
There are other gods besides Jehovah!
this are my words not yours, why are my statements added when quoting you.


Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: [b]before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.


This clearly exposes you as a false witness.
Funny enough this is the verse you claim Jehovah witness came from. Hmmmmmmm
The disciples of jesus know these truth , that is why they stated below:
1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”

But jesus has taught them who among all those god's is the one they should serve , the only true God!, the almighty!
Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ
*jesus was talking about the father as the only true God.

Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”


It is this knowledge that made the disciples say this :
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
like I said before,you barely know what u are quoting.
Lol, i know you must be confused by now.
do you know whh 'only' is used?
If there is only one true God does that not mean all others are false gods?

The disciples know that their God is not three persons in one, that the father and jesus are not same person, neither are they same God, their words have rejected the trinity, man made doctrines that was believed by pagans and later crept into Christianity long after they died!.
They know who theIr God is, he is the father and only the father! NO ADDITIONS!.
the disciples knew Jesus was God.
Was it not a disciple who called Jesus his God and Lord?
Was it not a disciple who vividly wrote that Jesus is God? Joh 1:1
Dont make me laugh plssss!
Ur denial cannot alter what is written! Its either you believe or you dont.


wrong? wrong about what?



solite3, I asked you :do you have more than one god, the father like the apostles have or you have more than than the father as your God?

The disciples only have one God, and they identified that one God as the father!, just as jesus taught them. your answer has proven that you do not have the Same God as the disciples , you do not worship the same god the disciples identified as their God.
1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,
i answered you that i have only one God the father. Jesus is not no2 God but is the very God.


1. its Good to see you understood the issue of who recieves the Glory, as you have seen who receives the glory of bowing to jesus. The verses did not even say God (so that you might twist it), it Identified who God is, he is the father!
you dont even know that the father 's glory is also the son's glory. Lol
Well thats not the point i was making.

My point is,
If God commanded that we should not bow down to anyother god why the sudden change in the new testament.
Does God change?


2. Our discussion have been on who jehovah is, as you claim Jehovah is jesus christ because all are commanded to bow to him. [s]These assertion has been proven to be false when we looked at the context of that verse when the command was given:[[/s]/quote] @ bold almost exactly my point is if Jehovah said we should not bow down to anyother god how come he tells us to bow down to another god.i didnt bring in the topic of who receives it or not.

Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

You see this verse never talk of who recieves the glory or not but was clear and unambigious that we should not bow down before another god.

@cancelled one verse of the bible cannot cancel another Jesus said God's word cannot be broken as you are trying so hard to do.


this your tacts of evading qjestions ehhh
That verse you quoted said every knee bows to Jesus but isaiah said every knees will bow to Jehovah.

Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Jehovah even sworn by himself that every knee will bow to him and now he said every knee should bow to Jesus. is this not God breaking his own oat? Do you think made a mistake when he said every knee would bow to Jesus as a Jew who know the law?


how can God give a command for us to bow to another god? Something does not fit in?
if Jesus is not Jehovah, that leaves a big dent on God's character because that means God lied when he said unto him every knee will bow and every tongue confess


dont try to manipulate that verse, it says every knee would bow and ever tongue would confess that Jesus is the Lord. So it is clear that evey knee will bow to and the tongue would confess to the same God.

Jehovah said to him every knee would bow and every tongue will confess, he didnt say every knee would bow to him while their tongue will confess to another god. Be guided.

@ bold No sir! The problem is you have a wrong understanding and you lack the holy spirit.
@coloured i didnt refuse to explain. Infact i will be glad to preach Jesus to you but arguement has blinded you. I min no offence.



false witness opinion will not make Jesus loss his Godhood infact your opinion does not matter.it is the word of God that matters.
@ bold smiley questioning God or watch tower teaching?

@ bold u have answered my question no human bears that title Saviour but Jehovah hence Jehovah is the sole saviour of the Jews although he might have raised people who acts as delivers at some point but Jehovah bears the name Saviour.
Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.


Jesus fully bears the same title Saviour

Philippians 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

BTW Saviour of Israel is not a human title. Jehovah identifies himself as the Saviour of Israel.

Isaiah 45:15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.
ill reply you when you correct your post, I keep on finding my statements among your post when quoting you, I have stopped trying to edict what you posted , I'll reply according to what I see when I quote you.
By the way are you saying the scriptures contradicted itself, cos you refuse to explain why the disciples say their are many gods and who those God's Jehovah is judging in their middle are!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 1:22pm On Nov 07, 2016
johnw74:
You say Jehovah means the name of God but Jehovah doesn't mean God, ha ha
STOP LYING AGAINST ME!

Jehovah means the self existent - Jehovah means God
unless someone else other than Jehovah is the self existent.
you have issues with grammar.
you read that Jehovah means self existent, does self existent mean God? no , go and read up on the definition of God and see why the Hebrews have different words for God and Jehovah, those words don't mean the same thing!


H3068
יְהֹוָה
yehôvâh
yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.
Total KJV occurrences: 6521
1. I've helped you underlined the part you cannot see, the parts which is confirmed by the scriptures.

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. 

However as we are seeing there is a lot of confusion outside of the Churches of the saints.
supossed Jehovah witness doesn't know that Jehovah means God. cheesy
The confusion exists only in your mind, alternating and adding to the meaning of Jehovah given to you. nowhere will you see the statement Jehovah means God", except from the mouth of people like you!.

even the KJV does not say Jehovah means God:
JEHO'VAH, n. The Scripture name of the Supreme Being.If, as is supposed, this name is from the Hebrew substantive verb, the word denotes the Permanent Being, as the primary sense of the substantive verb in all languages, is to be fixed, to stand, to remain or abide. This is a name peculiarly appropriate to the eternal Spirit, the unchangeable God, who describes himself thus, I am that I am. Ex.3.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 1:01pm On Nov 07, 2016
johnw74:
Oh boy, what long posts of confusion,
since God has many names, my saying Jehovah is "a name for God" is correct.
such a long post saying it isn't
Jehovah is [size=14pt]a[/size] name for God, Jehovah is [size=14pt]the[/size] name of God, makes no difference at all to Jehovah meaning God
just more twisting from false jw smiley
God himself said " that is my name" when telling us his name is Jehovah
pls give us another name Jehovah directly told you his name is, pls show where the almighthy God said my name is so so and so other than the name "Jehovah".

The post is long , yes , it's just to show that the places where the scriptures identify God's name as Jehovah is flenty!

The scripture tells us that their are many gods , in heaven and on earth, but the name of the most high God, the almighty God, the ancient of days , is Jehovah, THAT IS HIS NAME!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 12:50pm On Nov 07, 2016
Barristter07:
Wetin dem ask am, wetin he dey talk grin

dolphinheart and archorladey .. you dey try sha!

he could think, say and understand things anyhow he wants, i already know he does not stay on topic , it's just the lies he spills and false, unproven accusations that comes out of him that I don't like and comment on.
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 11:42am On Nov 07, 2016
brocab:
So you are saying the JW's didn't print the King James Bibles on the press?
Well well haven't you got something to learn about-this is properly the switch they made given God a new name Jehovah..
DID THE JW PRINT THE KING JAMES VERSION YOU ARE USING?
DOES THE KJV VERSION YOU ARE USING HAVE THE WORD JEHOVAH IN IT?
CAN YOU POST ONE OF THOSE VERSES?

you will not answer these questions cus you are a liar!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 11:36am On Nov 07, 2016
brocab:
But the problem is, David said-The Lord said to My lord-he didn't say Jehovah said to My Lord.
Matter of fact when the JW's were publishing the King James Bible-Back around the early 1900's the JW's would use the King James until around 1950's even after they published the New World Translation.
YOU ARE A LIAR, IS THE TETRAMAGRAM THAT IS ACCEPTED AS GODS NAME, THAT IS TRANSLATED AS JEHOVAH PRESENT IN THAT VERSE OR NOT!
If you wanto to lie, lie better lie, don't fomulate falsehood that can be easily debunked .

A slight problem the JW's made they had removed and twisted most translations that was written in their own bible, which of course many thousands had left the JW organisation, with the false prophesies Farmers and stock men wouldn't grow Crops, breed shocks because of the false religion the JW's decided to follow after the lie, rather than the truth.
Which of course caused an up-roar within the Watchtower organisation, confusion struct, and people from around the globe-leaving the JW's later finding Christ, and as time went by-the X JW's had managed to stay with the King James bible finding the truth in their hearts about Christ and many are saved.
Through time we see the evidence had changed-so I understand how lost you are-this is why you disagree with the King James bible, only because the Watchtower looses thousands daily, because the NWT Bible doesn't hold the manuscripts as it should. The King James Bible holds the greatest title in bible history, a selling bible that sold billions, while your bible doesn't even get a mention..
The truth will set you free-just ask an X JW..
I asked you a question about the kjv, you could not respond. popularity does not mean truth. narrow is the way and few are the ones finding it!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 11:17am On Nov 07, 2016
YOU ALWAYS LIKE CHANGING THE TOPIC WHEN EXPOSED
brocab:
Dolphinheart In {Acts 2:24} Peter say's that God raised {Jesus} from the dead" {See also Roman 8:11, 2 Corinthians 4:14, Romans 1:4} Say's that the Spirit raised Jesus from the dead?
Ac 2:24 But God resurrected him by releasing him from the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held fast by it.

Ro 8:11 If, now, the spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the one who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive through his spirit that resides in you.

2Co 4:14knowing that the One who raised Jesus up will raise us up also with Jesus and will present us together with you.

Ro 1:4but who with power was declared God’s Son according to the spirit of holiness by means of resurrection from the dead—yes, Jesus Christ our Lord.


YOU LIE AGAIN, NONE OF THOSE VERSES SAY "THE SPIRIT RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD!

{Romans 8:11} clearly says that God will resurrect believers "through His Spirit" And In {John 2:19} Jesus predicts He will raise Himself from the dead.
See also {John 10:18} So who exactly resurrected Jesus from the dead?[/b]
1. Your statement about romans 8: 11, is a lie, no wonder you could not quote the verse.

2.You have read the scriptures that tells you that God resurrected Jesus .
read this also :
Ac 3:26 God, after raising up his Servant, sent him to you first to bless you by turning each one of you away from your wicked deeds.”
Ac 5:30 The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you killed, hanging him on a stake.


Paul confirms who the God that resurrected Jesus is :
Ga 1:1Paul, an apostle, neither from men nor through a man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him up from the dead,

Eph 1:17,20 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
:20 which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,

Peter also confirms who that God is:
[b]1Pe 1:3Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,


3. Everyone(except you) agrees that Jesus is not the same person as the father.
now did Jesus predict he will raise himself as you claim, thereby contradicting what the disciples said on several occasions that God, the father of Jesus resurrected Jesus ,his son?
Such a view would conflict with galatians 1:1, which ascribes the resurrection of Jesus to the Father, not to the Son.

Jesus used a similar mode of expression, at Luke 8:48, Jesus is quoted as saying to a woman: “Your faith has made you well.” Did she heal herself? No; it was power from God through Christ that healed her because she had faith. (read acts 10:38 ) Likewise, by his perfect obedience as a human, Jesus provided the moral basis for the Father to raise him from the dead, thus acknowledging Jesus as God’s Son. Because of Jesus’ faithful course of life, it could properly be said that Jesus himself was responsible for his resurrection.If Jesus has not been Faithfull to God, God would not have resurrected him!

4. The scriptures says Jesus died, Jesus was killed, he was raised from the dead.
The scripture also says God cannot die, therefore , the God that resurrected Jesus cannot be Jesus.

5. The difference between the personality that resurrected Jesus and Jesus himself is so glaring, the scriptures says that God did not only resurrect Jesus, he also directed Jesus to where he should go first and also made hIm sit at his right hand. Imagine,a God that is said cannot die, now died, now resurrected himself , now sat at the right hand of himself wow!
The scriptures does not teach such doctrines.

Was it the Father the Son or the Holy Spirit?
the scriptures have answered you, Jesus father, the one who gave life to Jesus , resurrected Jesus.

The basic answer Dolphinheart to that-God raised Him {Jesus to life} {Acts 2:32} The Father is God and the Father raised His Son to life on the third day after His crucifixion {Romans 6:4, 2 Corinthians 13:4} The Spirit is also God, and the Spirit also had part in raising Jesus up from the dead. The Son is also God, and the Son, too, was responsible for His own resurrection.
Jesus lived by the power of God, God used his power to resurrect Jesus. After resurrection, Jesus sat down at the right hand of God who resurrected him!

Dolphinheart how can a dead man resurrect Himself?
A dead man cannot resurrect himself, he knows nothing and is not conscious of anything when he dies!
Answer Jesus was more then a man who died, He was the eternal Son of God, "INCARNATED" Wicked men could kill His body, but they could not change His eternal nature or diminish His divine power Read {John 10:17-18} Jesus say's something that no mortal could ever say, I lay down My life, only to take it up again. No-one takes it from Me, but I lay it down on My own accord. I have the Authority to lay it down and the Authority to take it up again. "No-one else in the history of the world has ever had the Authority both to lay down His life and raise it up again.
1. haba, but you kept on saying Jesus is not the son of God!, you mouth dey change anyhow!

2.The scripture say Jesus emptied himself and took the form of man. The prophesies tell us how lowly Jesus will become. everything Jesus did, every miracle was by God's power given to him by God. He did not do anything on his own , but did the things he was told to do by the one who sent him!

3. If you had read that verse very well, you would have known how Jesus came about that authority, but you prefer reading the scriptures halfway!, therefore you do not know why jesus says he has authority to receive his life again!
that is why you could not understand the underlined below:
[b]Ac 2:23, 24This man, who was handed over by the determined will and foreknowledge of God, you fastened to a stake by the hand of lawless men, and you did away with him.
John 19:11Jesus answered him: “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been granted to you from above. This is why the man who handed me over to you has greater sin.”
Ac 4:27, 28For truly both Herod and Pontius Pilate with men of the nations and with peoples of Israel were gathered together in this city against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed,28 to do what your hand and counsel had determined beforehand to occur.

Dolphinheart furthermore, Jesus said I Am the resurrection and the life: {John 11:25} He did not say My Father is the resurrection. He claimed to be the resurrection Himself "LIFE RESIDES WITH JESUS" And He has absolute Authority over life and death. {Revelation 1:18}
read the scriptures brocab and understand better, do not read one verse and leave others that give a better or more explanation of what jesus said .
Yes , jesus said he is the resurrection and the life, why? because he knows that it is only through him that Jehovah resurrects and gives life to his loyal ones , look at the verses below and understand better.
Ro 6:23For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord.
*God gives evaluating life through one person, jesus Christ!

1Jo 2:1, 2My little children, I am writing you these things so that you may not commit a sin. And yet, if anyone does commit a sin, we have a helper with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one.2And he is a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins, yet not for ours only but also for the whole world’s.
* we can't gain life if our sins are not fogIving, we can't come to the father except through the helper Jesus. In our bid to get to the father, we have a helper, Christ Jesus!

1Pe 1:3, 4 Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is reserved in the heavens for you,
* Can you see the true source of evaluating life, if you can't, their is little I can do!, we gain life through Jesus , but life comes from the father, God almighty , the most high God.

Heb 5:9And after he had been made perfect, he BECAME RESPONSIBLE for everlasting salvation to all those obeying him,
Heb 5:10 because he has been designated by God a high priest in the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek[/color]


no wonder Jesus could say this :
Joh 5:26For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.
* do you see the one who granted Jesus to have life?.
The scriptures teaches us that God sent Jesus so that those who exercise faith in Jesus will have life!, yet sou could not understand why Jesus said he is the resurrection and the life!, I tire for you o!.
I told you to read John chapter 17, you refused, see what it is causing you now! GO AND READ IT AND SEE WHO EVERYTHING BELONGS TO!

Dolphinheart Jesus is God, He would say, He could raise up His body on the third day, because He is part of the one being of God.
wrong understanding, Jesus and the father are not the same being!

Who resurrected Jesus from the dead? God did, by that we mean all 3 persons were involved, or three persons participated in creation
{1 Corinthians 8:6, Genesis 1:1-2} All three are involved in Salvation {John 3:6,16} And all three are responsible for the resurrection of Jesus Christ..
JESUS DIED SIR!, THE SCRIPTURES SAY'S GOD CANNOT DIE. THE SCRIPTURES SAY'S THE FATHER RESURRECTED JESUS SEVERAL TIMES.
JESUS CANNOT BE THE GOD WHO RESURRECTED HIM AND SAT HIM AT HIS RIGHT HAND. IT'S LIKE SAYING JESUS RESURRECTED HIMSELF, SAT HIMSELF AT HIS OWN RIGHT HAND AND TALKED TO HIMSELF, HABA!

What one should take from Jesus statement is Christ's unshakeable confidence in the Father to resurrect Him to everlasting spirit life. Just moments before His death, Christ cried out: “Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit” ( Luke 23:46 )—showing His total trust in God the Father.

Finally I leave you with this verse, Christ knew who could resurrect him, he knew he was not the one to resurrect himself!, he knew the one who had the power to do so, wHo has promised to do so.
King James Version
Heb 5:7Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death,and was heard in that he feared;


GOD, THE FATHER, HIS FATHER, THE ALMIGHTY, THE MOST HIGH GOD , HEARD JESUS AND RESURRECTED HIM! EXALTED HIM AND PUT HIM AT HIS RIGHT SIDE!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 10:27am On Nov 06, 2016
brocab:
So was the Lord talking to Jehovah or was it Jehovah talking to the Lord?
You don't know who was talking to who ? Here it is again :
Ps 110:1 Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”

the verse above tells you who was talking to who and what the person said.

The scriptures has shown to you how what that person said was fulfilled, Jehovah(God, the most high, almighty, supreme one) sits jesus(his son, servant, messiah, appointed one, his apostle) at his right hand.
The prophecies said this, the scriptures recorded this , Stephen even saw a vision of jesus at the right hand of God!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 10:17am On Nov 06, 2016
brocab:
The name Jehovah God was change by the JW's when the JW's were printing the King James out on there own pressers. Even after the New Word Translation was made.
The switch was made in those times. Not even the Jewish People used the Jehovah's name as their God..
oh my!, SEE LIES!!!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 10:08am On Nov 06, 2016
johnw74:
duh, we know Jehovah is a name for God,
that in itself shows Jehovah means God.
stop being dubious , they did not say " name for God" , they said "NAME OF GOD"

Jehovah (/dʒᵻˈhoʊvə/ jə-hoh-və) is a Latinization of the Hebrew יְהֹוָה, one vocalizationof the Tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in theHebrew Bible.
wikepedia

a name of God in the Old Testament, a rendering of the ineffable name, JHVH, in the Hebrew Scriptures.
dictionary dot com

—used as the name of Godin the Old Testament of the Bible
merriam-webster dictionary

EVEN IF YOU DNT BELIEVE THE ABOVE, BELIEVE WHAT THE SCRIPTURES TELL YOU
King James Version
Ps 83:18That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

American Standard Version
exodus 6:3 and I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, as God Almighty; but by my name Jehovah I was not known to them.

Isa 42:8 I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images.

Ex 3:15Then God said once more to Moses: “This is what you are to say to the Israelites, ‘Jehovah the God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered from generation to generation.

Ex 15:3Jehovah is a powerful warrior. Jehovah is his name..


PLS DO NOT DENY THAT JEHOVAH IS NOT THE NAME OF GOD, FOR YOU WILL BE WHAT THE PSALMIST PRAYED AGAINST!
Pr 30:9So that I do not become satisfied and deny you and say, “Who is Jehovah?” Nor let me become poor and steal and dishonor the name of my God.

The subject is the meaning of the name Jehovah,
but of course true to form you reject the truth that's been posted:
Jehovah is the name of the God of the Jews, that God in the only self existant God.

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
[b]Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

I know who my father is!

If possible read again with eyes that see:
EVEN THE KJV dictionary says :
KJV Dictionary / J / jehovah

KJV Dictionary Definition: jehovahjehovah

JEHO'VAH, n. The Scripture name of the Supreme Being. If, as is supposed, this name is from the Hebrew substantive verb, the word denotes the Permanent Being, as the primary sense of the substantive verb in all languages, is to be fixed, to stand, to remain or abide. This is a name peculiarly appropriate to the eternal Spirit, the unchangeable God, who describes himself thus, I am that I am. Ex.3.


Jehovah does not mean God, God is a different Hebrew word from Jehovah.
Hebrew: אלהים
Transliteration: 'ĕlôhîym
Pronunciation: el-o-heem'
Definition: Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural {thus} especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - {angels} X {exceeding} God (gods) ({-dess} {-ly}) X (very) {great} {judges} X mighty.
KJV Usage: God (2,346x), god (244x), judge (5x), GOD (1x), goddess (2x), great (2x), mighty (2x), angels (1x), exceeding (1x), God-ward (with H4136) (1x), godly (1x).
Occurs: 2606
In verses: 2249

NEITHER DID ANY TRANSLATOR TRANSLATE THE HEBREW WORD FOR JEHOVAH AS GOD!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 5:09pm On Nov 05, 2016
solite3:
where did u ans it.
On this thread, 12:41pm On Nov 03
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 5:04pm On Nov 05, 2016
brocab:
Johnw74 had laid it out on the table pretty nicely-Dolphinheart is lying once again to the public, so you aren't settled with one God, you need another God, and You call Him God God..
stop lying, I've used the scriptures to show you that Jehovah is the name of God, Jehovah himself said that is his name!

Even though there are many names for God, there is but one name, that believers know about whereby they can be saved and it is mention in {Act 4:12} {Among with many other verses} And there is salvation in no one else, for their is no other name under heaven, given among men by which we must be saved..
you read the scriptures with a premeditated understanding , the verse says :
Ac 4:12Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is no other name under heaven that has BEEN GIVEN among men by which we must get saved.”

WHO GAVE THAT NAME, DEFINITELY THE ONE WHO APPOINTED A SAVIOR!

Mt 1:21She will give birth to a son, and you are to name him Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”
Ac 10:43To him all the prophets bear witness, that everyone putting faith in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”

JEHOVAH SAID THIS CONCERNING JESUS
Isa 53:11Because of his anguish, he will see and be satisfied. By means of his knowledge the righteous one, my servant, Will bring a righteous standing to many people, And their errors he will bear.

THUS THE ONE WHO GAVE THE NAME IS THE ONE WHO APPOINTED AND SENT JESUS TO BE THE SAVIOR, TO SAVE THOSE WHO WORSHIP HIM.
King James Version
1Jo 4:14And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.


Even though His name is pronounced Yah SHOE Ah, which is from the old testament Hebrew name Joshua, we know it as Jesus, and whoever believes in Jesus Christ will be saved {Romans 10:9-13} Jesus's name means like Joshua's "God Saves" or "God is Salvation" or simply "Salvation" which is essentially the same thing.
Good that you know the name of the one who God sent to makind, do you know that he is also his son, his only begotten son?
[b]1Jo 4:9, 10By this the love of God was revealed in our case, that God sent his only-begotten Son into the world so that we might gain life through him. 10The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.
JESUS IS SAVIOR BECAUSE GOD, THE ALMIGHTY, THE MOST HIGH, JEHOVAH SENT HIM.(Go and examine jehovahs prophecies about jesus)

When Mary was told earlier that She was to give Birth to Jesus, an angel proclaimed to Joseph, "She will bear a Son and you shall Call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their Sins {Matthew 1:21}
The Jehovah witnesses, false believe that not using Jehovah as God's name at all times is liken to idolatry even though there is zero evidence that this name is in the original manuscripts..
the name of God that is translated to Jehovah in English occurs thousands of times in the scriptures!
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by dolphinheart(m): 4:27pm On Nov 05, 2016
brocab:
{Psalms 110:1-Matthew 22:44} David says the Lord {Father} Say's to my Lord the {Messiah} His Son.
YOUR CROOKED WAYS WILL NOT LEAVE YOU.
It is evident that the one the psalms said was talking is JEHOVAH(Yahweh or yehovah, whichever one you like), but you do not want to identify that one as Jehovah as it will expose your false doctrines, you will go to any length to alter what the scriptures says so as to sustain this false teachings.
The LORD their is Jehovah, he was talking to jesus, his son(though you lie that he is not God's son).

The scriptures teaches us that Jehovah is the almighty God, he is the supreme one, he is the God of the isrealites, he is the most high.
Jehovah says jesus is his servant(if we look at the prophecy and it's fufillment), his son(he said so directly to everyone hearing)

Jehovah said to jesus, "sit at my right hand" , that is why the scriptures say, explained in visions, revealed, explained to us that jesus is at the right hand of God, the almighty, the most high.
[b]Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.

Eph 1:20which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,

Heb 8:1Now this is the main point of what we are saying: We have such a high priest as this, and he has sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,

Heb 12:2as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

YOU READ THOSE SCRIPTURES ABOVE , YET YOU REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT JESUS SITS AT THE RIGHT HAND OF JEHOVAH( WHO THE SCRIPTURES HAS DIRECTLY CALLED ALMIGHTY, MOST HIGH GOD).

It is your refusal to accept those verses that is compelling you to rejects what the psalmist said, that Jehovah was talking to jesus.
Ps 110:1Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”

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