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johnw74:
You are not talking about brocab, but about yourself false jw.




no not bro but you, who is full of lies,
almighty-mighty God is the one true God,
you believe He is two gods, a almighty god, and mighty god.





duh, God did not die, His flesh and blood body died,
three day's later the Word(God) raised His flesh body

Joh_2:19  Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Luk 24:39  Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

^^^
false jw say Jesus body was not raised, but that Jesus was raised a Spirit being,
however Jesus showed that He was not a Spirit being but still flesh and bone.



In Revelation it is Jesus talking through His Angel,
Jesus is "the first and the last".

Yes Jesus was the first resurrected, but that is not the meaning of the first and the last,
the first and the last is the eternal.
The first and the last means he has always existed and always will exist,
the self existent.
Even the verse you posted Rev 2:8 ‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to life again:
The first and the last became dead, He was the first and the last before He died.
Of course He was always, and always will be, the first and the last.

By the way the man-body died, not the Spirit-God.



mind you it's not suprising that a false jw who believes that
the titles almighty God, and mighty God, are titles for two diffrent god's,
to also believe that there are two first and lasts

even the title: the first and the last,
suggests one,
one God.

would have responded with the scriptures, but as long as you edit my post when quoting me, I see no need to do so, when scriptures expose you, you remove it when responding.

As expected, you refused to answer the questions even after it was asked several times.

If one goes through the thread , their are many questions you refused, to answer, many scriptures you refused to explain when you are being called upon to explain them, why?, cus you know that given an answer or explanation will point you out as a false teacher. Hence you always try to change the issues every time.
simple questions are asked , they are in order, all numbered for easy identifiction, yet you can't answer them.

1 .How do we know the truth if two people give contrary answers and both claim God spirit told them?

2. Jo 5:20And we know that the (1) Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2) him that is true, and we are in (3) him that is true, (4) even in (5) his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
now brocab, pls tell us:
2A. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red
2B. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue
2C. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red
2D. what do you understand by the underlined "even In his son" in (4)
2E who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.


You have decided to divert the issue from John 5: 20, you think that listing a number of scriptures will help you out, let's see if they do , or if they expose you further.

brocab:
You don't know who the son of God is? Well I will tell you it's Jesus.

Yes , we believe that God's son is jesus, but you have said several times on this thread that jesus is not the son of God!. can you see how you flip flop on your doctrine?, how false your teachings are?.

Lets examine the scriptures on a much larger view point, scriptures of course, you refuse to believe that There is only One true God.

You are full of lies , I believe their is only one true God, the scriptures helps us to identify who that true God is, I follow the scriptures identification, you do not!, you have formulated another true God for yourself, different from the God the disciples, scriptures and even jesus himself identified as God, the one true God and our God.

JESUS HIMSELF IDENTIFIED WHO THE TRUE GOD IS.
Joh 17:3This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
* jesus identified the true to you, his next words excludes him from the only person who is the true God, the true God sent him, the true God did not send himself, he sent his servant!

THE DISCIPLES IDENTIFY WHO THE ONE GOD IS
[b]1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

THE SCRIPTURES TELL US WHO JESUS IS IN RELATION TO THAT ONE GOD
1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,

brocab , jesus is the mediator between our one God and men , that is also comfirmed by the scriptures below
Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.

Our one God is not pleading with himself!. read Heb 7:25, 1Jo 2:1

God is Creator: {Genesis 1:1, Job 33:4, Isaiah 40:28}
Jesus is Creator: {John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:12-17, Hebrews 1:8-12}

If you had read the scriptures very well, you would have understood who created the heavens and earth and who he used to do the creation.
Heb 1:2Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.
Pr 8:30Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;

God is the First and the Last:{ Isaiah 41:4, 44:6, 48:12}
Jesus is the first and the Last: {Revelation 1:17, 2:8, 22:13}

You have a long way to go brocab, because you think two people have similar titles it means they are the same person, you know that that is wrong analogy cus you will refuse to use it on all cases in the scriptures where two persons have same titles. Jehovah himself calls a babylonian king "king of kings" (Eze 26:7), does this mean that this king is jesus?, absolute not! so stop using similarities in titles whenever it suits you, refusing to look at what the scriptures say about those titles.

Re 1:17When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last,
Re 1:18and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave.
you did not read those verses with insight, cus if you did, something must have clicked in your head and direct you to the scriptures that says God cannot die, therefore this person who claims to be dead is not the God that cannot die!

If you had studied further, you would have known why he is first and the last.

What first and last was he ?
Ac 26:23that the Christ was to suffer and that as the first to be resurrected from the dead, he was going to proclaim light both to this people and to the nations.”
Col 1:18and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;
Re 1:5and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood
Re 2:8“And to the angel of the congregation in Smyrʹna write: These are the things that he says, ‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to life again:

God is I AM: {Ego eimi} { Exodus 3:13,14, Deutoronomy 32:39, Isaiah 43:10}
Jesus is I AM: {Ego eimi}{John 8:24,58, 13:19, 18:5}

brocab, the writer of exodus, deut and isaiah did not use the word "ego eimi" , the word is Greek and they did not write in Greek, so stop lying!

ego eimi (Ancient Greek: ἐγώ εἰμί Greek pronunciation: [eɡɔ̌ː eːmí]) "I am", "I exist", is the first person singular present tense of the verb "to be" in ancient Greek.

you listed scriptures where jesus used that word in a sentence, you could not quote the full sentence, cus it will show how much of a dubious person you are.
If the use of "ego eimi" means that that person is God, then John the babtist is "I AM" (matt 3: 11), and the army officer is also " I AM" ( MATT 8: 8 ).
brocab, can you see how the scriptures exposes false , derived teachings, your theories are selective and cannot be allied in all cases!

God is Judge: {Genesis 18:25, Psalm 96:13, Joel 3:12}
Jesus is Judge: {2 Timothy 4:1, 2 corinthians 5:10, Romans 14:10-12}

Brocab, read the scriptures and know why jesus is judge, it was because God apointed him to be a judge!

joh 5:22For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son,

Ac 17:31Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”

you open the bible, searching for points you think supports your theory, you do not read to understand. searching for similarities does not help!. Jesus would not have been judge if his father, the only true God , had not appointed him to judge.

God is king: {Psalm 47, Isaiah 44:6-8, Jeremiah 10:10}
Jesus is king:{Matthew 2:1-6, John 19:21, 1 Timothy 6:13-16}

Again you refuse to read the scriptures, who made jesus king, his father , his God !
Lu 1:32This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father
Lu 1:33and he will rule as King over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end to his Kingdom.”

Jer 23:5“Look! The days are coming,” declares Jehovah, “when I will raise up to David a righteous sprout. And a king will reign and show insight and uphold justice and righteousness in the land.
Mt 1:1The book of the history of Jesus Christ, son of David, son of Abraham:


IF YOU HAD READ THE SCRIPTURES, YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN HOW JESUS CAME TO BE KING
Da 7:13, 14“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.14 And to him there were given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed.

1Co 15:25For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet.

God is Saviour: {Psalm 106:21, Isaiah 43:3-11, 45:21-23}
Jesus is Saviour:{John 4:42, Acts 4:10-12, 1 John 4:14}[/color]

Who do you think appointed jesus as savior, who do you think sends savior to save us, it is the father, the God of mercies, JeHovah.
Ne 9:27For this you gave them into the hand of their adversaries, who kept causing them distress. But they would cry out to you in the time of their distress, and you would hear from the heavens; and because of your great mercy, you would give them saviors to rescue them out of the hand of their adversaries.

Jg 3:9When the Israelites called to Jehovah for help, Jehovah raised up a savior to rescue the Israelites, Othʹni·el the son of Keʹnaz, the younger brother of Caʹleb.

JUST AS NUMEROUS TIMES DURING THOSE DAYS, JEHOVAH TOO HAD SENT JESUS TO SAVE US
King James Version
1Jo 4:14And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

King James Version
Ac 5:31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

no wonder jesus knew the true source of our saving acts, he knew who to pray to, follow his lead!
King James Version
Heb 5:7Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

God is Shepherd:{Psalm 23, 100:3, Isaiah 40:11}
Jesus is Shepherd:{ John 10:11, Hebrews 13:20, 1 Peter 5:4}

Go read up on the word " Shepherd and how the scriptures used it, even those who lead in the congregation are called Shepherdsomething, does it mean they are God, No!.
God gave his followers to jesus, jesus took care of God's sheep!

God is Light:{Psalm 27:1, Isaiah 60:20}
Jesus is Light: {John 1:9, 8:12}

You case is getting desperate brocab. You are just looking for similarities , refusing to read the scriptures extensively with an open mind. The scriptures below will help you.
Isa 45:7I form light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, Jehovah, am doing all these things.

1Jo 1:5This is the message that we heard from him and are announcing to you: God is light, and there is no darkness at all in him.

Jas 1:17Every good gift and every perfect present is from above, coming down from the Father of the celestial lights, who does not vary or change like the shifting shadows.

Ps 36:9With you is the source of life; By your light we can see light.
From the above scriptures I hope you see who is the source of light.

let's see what that person who is the source of light say about jesus when he prophesied about his servant he will send.
Isa 42:6, 7“I, Jehovah, have called you in righteousness; I have taken hold of your hand. I will safeguard you and give you as a covenant for the people And as a light of the nations, 7For you to open the blind eyes, To bring the prisoner out of the dungeon And those sitting in darkness out of the prison.

Can you see how Jehovah, the source of light made jesus to be a light of the world? Read Isa 9:1, 2, Mt 4:13-16.

someone said while jesus was a baby
[b]Lu 2:28he took the child into his arms and praised God and said:
Lu 2:29“Now, Sovereign Lord, you are letting your slave go in peace according to your declaration,
Lu 2:30 because my eyes have seen your means of salvation
Lu 2:31that you have prepared in the sight of all the peoples,
Lu 2:32 a light for removing the veil from the nations and a glory of your people Israel.”

Even if you think being a light of the world means you are God , it means those jesus was talking to in the verse below are God too!, and we all know it's false
[b]Mt 5:14“ You are the light of the world. A city cannot be hid when located on a mountain.

God is Rock:{Deut 32:4, 1 Sam 2:2, 2 Sam 22:32, Psalm 31:3, 78:35, 89:26, Isaiah 17:10}
Jesus is Rock:{ 1 Corinthians 10:4, 1 Peter 2:8}
God is Redeemer:{Psalm 49:15, 78:35, Isaiah 43:14, 44:6, 47:4, 49:26}
Jesus is Redeemer: {Galatians 3:13}
This should sum this up as clear as the Word Of God tells us, its true..
NWT {Revelation 22:20} He that bears witness of these things says "Yes I AM" coming quickly". Amen! Come Lord Jesus.
And what does the JW's say in there bible { 1 Peter 3:15} But sanctify the Christ as Lord in your own heart.
And Jehovah is a meaning to Lord...
Case is closed.

yes , case is really closed. Go and read the scriptures and stop looking for similarities!

Jesus has a God superior to him, his father who he is subjected to, he calls his father his God, and he had Identified the father as our God too, the only true God. do not change who jesus says is the only true God, do not add to it!

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damariox:
Am an ex jw and currently an atheist.. I've researched all churches and discovered jehovahs witnesses are in the cult list

case closed
I thought you believed in the scriptures when I asked those questions.

seems everyone now has his or her own definition of cult, but my questions where based on disfellowping/ expulsion. The truth can only be explained by the scriptures.

brocab:
Ask them again-but explain to me why your bible holds these truths? Which of course you yourself refuses to accept.

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1. How do we know the truth if two people give contrary answers and both claim God spirit told them?

2. Jo 5:20And we know that the (1) Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know (2) him that is true, and we are in (3) him that is true, (4) even in (5) his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
now brocab, pls tell us:
2A. who is "the son of God" in (1) above, coloured red
2B. who is the "him" in (2) above, coloured blue
2C. who is the "him" in (3) above , coloured red
2D. what do you understand by the underlined "even In his son" in (4)
2E who is the "his " in 5 above , coloured blue.

brocab:
Let me show you the truth that even the JW's had written it and of course must believe it.
NWT {1 John 5:20} But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight" so that we my gain the knowledge of the One who is true. And we are in union with the One who is true, by means of His Son Jesus Christ. THIS IS THE TRUE GOD AND LIFE EVER LASTING.
NIV {1 John 5:20} We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know Him Who is true. And we are in Him Who is true-even in His Son Jesus Christ, HE IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.
KJV {1 John 5:20} And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understand that we may know Him, Who is true, and we are in Him, Who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ, THIS IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.
So instead of judging, try reading your own bible-even the JW's had written "Jesus Christ is the true God"

1. again you refuse to answer the question asked, how do we know the truth if two people give contrary answers and both claim God spirit told them?
2. The scripture you posted has been addressed long ago, I asked you about four questions on it several times over and over again, you refuse to answer, you bring the scripture up again, if I explain it to you , you will not accept, if I asked you question about it, you will not respond.

people like the op do not see beyond their hate, it's one main problem for those who allow such emotions develop in them.

1. He is totally bent on finding fault with an organisation yet he participates in their activities, fellowship with them and smile with their adherents when they think they are talking to someone with like mind and belief. to me that is the height of hypocrisy!, their is no other better way to describe that word than using these thread as an example.

2. The most interesting part is that he offers no alternative, what are people who listen to him do next if they accept his words, do they join another organisation or do they become atheists?
I fear people whose only aim is to destroy, who are not ready to offer alternative for one to build his life!, I fear the op is one of those people.

damariox:
Other churches (protestants, Catholics) do nothing rather than simply expel an apostate. That's what the Greek word implies. Why would you add cultist actions to an apostate.. Actions like shunning, labeling "mentally diseased " and demon agent. That someone doesn't agree with a church teachings doesn't make him an anti Christ

you did not answer my question I asked : " what is the name of your church and what do they do to those who rebel against its teachings"

damariox:
You should cover your face in shame... Shameless jw defender.
What of the great tribulation videos? A brother shunning his own very blood brother's generous gifts of assistance.. Reason he's no more a witness.

A girl shunned and sent away by her parents cus she disagrees with the teachings of the watchtower. Her parents refused even to pick their daughters phone calls.

So disgusting all of you sat down happy and glad to view the bunker videos how jws should treat non jws especially ex jws... Shun them, disgrace them in public.. If possible avoid eye contacts.


What a cult

do you know what the scriptures say should be done to those who are apostates, probably you dnr or probably you do but do not agree with the scriptures directives. TO OBEY IS BETTER THAN SACRIFICE

damariox:
wow.. Excellent I've been wishing to write this article... Very true. Jw is just a cult.

Christianity has only one leader. Jesus Christ

He is our only High Priest

Jw is not not a religion but a cult.
How?
1)Mind and extreme information control

2) Shunning and disfelowshiping of people who disagree with watchtower (non biblical teachings)

3) Shunning and disfelowshiping those that oppose local elders ( shamelessly citting korah rebellion)

4)thoughts control and membership friendliness regulation (very strict) DONT INTERACT OR SAY HI TO AN EX MEMBER (he might give you information that will definitely stir doubts)

5) In group affection and out group hatred (is wrong to make friends with people who are not jws) BAD ASSOCIATION!!

6) Coded Languages (Eg publishers, pioneers, etc)

what is the name of your church and what do they do to those who rebel against its teachings

solite3:
Where are all the false witnesses? johnw,brocab and solite have busted their lies hence they abadon thread some of them may have changed monik.
Achor no longer understand what he is saying.

u which!
If one asks you questions, you will refuse to answer
I've asked you and even begged you to modify your post so one can be able to see your posts when quoting you, you refused to do so.
I even said you should bring up 5 scriptures you feel support your doctrines, you still refuse to do so

brocab:
Just like the JW's, they believe in a crooked cult, that only they, that believe.
Yes i just ask God for the answers, through prayer is a good start-even through Word-reading His truth-His bible truth{Not your truth} is a good start.
But in your case, you would rather search else where other then believing there is a God that shows us believers the truth about Himself.

now if someone says he too asks God for answers and God told him that that the words of that verse where not inspired by him, what will you do, how do we know which one of you is right?

[quote author=solite3 post=51531751][/quote]solite3, I'll like to respond to your post, pls modify it so that I can respond to the things you posted.

While you do that, read this below:

John says the word was with God, the word cannot be with God and still be that same God he was with!, the word was a god, a god who is with God almighty,who sits at the right hand of God almighty, who is exalted by god almighty, who God almighty gave power and authority, who God almighty gave a new name, Who God almighty gave a Kingdom, who calls God almighty his God , who God almighty used in creating the heavens and the earth, who is subjected to God almighty!

God almighty is the God of jesus, who jesus pleads to on our behalf, who jesus is subjected to, who exalted jesus, who jesus sits beside .

2 cor 4:4 signifies satan to be the "theos" of this age, this system of things , this world, I'm I right or wrong? Pls answer. If Satan is not theo's of this age, pls tell me who it is , tell me who carries out the things that the that verse said the theos of this age carries out?

any verse you brought up to support your analogy that jesus is God has been explained, you have been shown to have a wrong understanding of the scriptures, on the other hand you try your best to avoid the scriptures and questions posed to you.
if you think I'm wrong, pls post five scriptures with explanation on each from those scriptures you think support your theory, I will explain them to you, I'll post five scriptures with explanations to you, and we will see if you will respond to each of them.


You quoted some scriptures but none of them said
jesus is God almighty
jesus is jehovah

no verse also says God is subject to God. but it tells us that jesus is subject to God, if you say that that God is the father of Jesus , then you are saying that the father is the almighty God, and not jesus, the father is greater than jesus, jesus is not equal to his father, that is why he calls his father and our father his God, that is why the scripture teaches that the HEAD OF CHRIST IS GOD.
jesus and the father are one God almighty.

jesus was not given power because he owns it, and the bible does not teach such
almighty God is not given power , he already has abundance in power, he is all powerful, no one can add to his power.

If jesus is still a human in heaven, then he is subjected to God almighty, his father , who is greater than him!, so jesus is not equal to God almighty, his father.

jesus is God's servant from the beginning, God used him in the beginning to create the heavens and the earth. And if you say jesus chooses to be a servanot, pls tell us when he made that choice and if he is still a servant , cus we know that even in heaven jesus is still subjected to his God.


like I said, I'll like to respond to that statement, but if you refuse to modify it so that one can see your words when responding, it shows you do not want me to respond.
Secondly, if you continue to refuse to answer the questions I ask you, there will be no need for us to continue the discussion.

johnw74:
but you can find in Revelation 1:8 that
Jesus is called "the Almighty"

Rev 1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

No I can't find it there, even from the wrong translation that you quoted.
That verse is referring to jehovah, who had said he is God almighty. I've told you to read rev 1:1-6 to understand better, but you refuse, you refuse cus it exposes your teachings as false. If you read verses 4-6 carefully you'll see that the one who was, who is and who is to come cannot be jesus, it was God who gave jesus the revelation!. your forefathers know these , so they had to add some words to verse 8, the verse reads in other translations : "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

satan is the god of this world, he is not God,
he is "a god" "a false god"

only a false jw would need that explained to him

and of course he-satan is the god of false jw

lie lie dolphinheart calls satan "God" and
lie lie dolphinheart calls the Word "a god"

they don't come more evil than that

You have started lying against me again, if I ask you to point to where I made some of the statements above now, you will start rambling again, but I will not ask you, my words are easy to separate from false accusations.
look at my statement again : So the person who called satan "theos" of these world is a blind man , continue!
This fact is taken from this verse :
2 Corinthians 4:4

New International Version
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

The greek word for god in that verse is "theos", from the action of that theos, we know it cannot be the true God, neither can it be jesus. So unless you claim their is no god of this age(which goes against what that verse says), then that the theos is real, he is really theos of this age, this system of things , this wicked world!
His Godship is limited to this wicked system of things, that's why he is called the thoes of these age, the theos of this system of things, the theos of this world. that will end soon anyway, when God brings a new system through the rulership of jesus and his brothers, then this old wicked system will pass away, along with his adherents and supporters!

antichrist false jw dolphinheart argues against solite3 claim that satan is not God.

lie lie dolphinheart hates Jesus, taking every opportunity to try and show that he is not God
and rejecting all the Bible verses that show He is.

antichrist false jw dolphinheart not only doesn't reject that satan is God,
he argues to try and show that he is.

You lies knows no bounds, it does not worry me anyway, I already know you will resort to such methods, you cant even respond to the full post , you resort to taking few sentences out of the post.

lie lie dolphinheart rejects that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is God
and accepts that satan is God

false jw say they are Christians, but are not and do lie, they are the church of satan.

We all know who jesus is, jesus is not almighty God, he is the son of the almighty God, a different person from the almighty God, God exalted jesus, gave him a name , God did not exalt himself, neither did jesus exalt himself in that instance, people who are sincere will know that that verse is talking about two different entities , not one entity doing things to itself.

you have read it several times where jesus is said to be subjected to God, you claim jesus is God.
You have read it several times where jesus said he has a God, yet you claim jesus is equal to that God.
You have read it several times where it is said that God almighty has a son, we know jesus does not have a son, yet you claim he is God almighty.

LadyAnn:
I meant study with a witness not online

okay, just ask one of them you see on the street, they will be happy to study with you, or can arrange someone to study with you.

LadyAnn:
Me too. Will love to study with them

that one no hard, visit jw dot org

solite3:
it doesnt change John1:1 that Jesus is God Almighty. So far you have not be able quote a verse to prove me wrong.

1. never said it changes what John 1:1 says, no where in John 1:1 can you find" jesus is God allmighty"
2. For pages now I've Been quoting verses that exposes you, I've been asking you questions you refuse to answer.
3. If I say the scriptures do not say something, do you think I will have to quote a verse of what the scriptures did not say? I tire for you o.
maybe you did not read what I said : you could not bring any scripture in any translation that says :
1. Jesus is jehovah
2. Jesus is almighty God
3. Jesus and the father are one God almighty.

Jesus has all power both in heaven and on earth, every knee bow to him and every tongue confess him without him nothing can exist, he uphold all things by his word. He is alpha and Omega beginning and the ending he is the Lord Almighty.

The scriptures tells us that Jesus was given that power, maybe you missed that part. despite that power given to him, he is still subjected to his God. do you know who is God is? I don't think so! cus his God is our God, the only true God, the almighty, the most high God.

solite3, almighty God needs no one to give him power!

Your denial does not even count.
All angels worship him even your god of this world will fall down at the mention of his name.
millions are calling on the name of Jesus and are being set free.
I invite you to know him and call on his name.
To him all creation will serve Amen.

thanks for the invitation.

with this, are you telling me Jesus is a different God from the father? When Jehovah said he is the only God?

Are you the same person as your father? no
Are you the same human as your father ? no
If you father is eating, you wunt be beleful cus he is eating, if you don't eat, your father's eating sun help you. if your father is sleeping, his rest sun help you if you don't take your own rest. You and your father think , feel, think, differently despite the fact you are both humans, this is just to show you that you are not the same human. Apply this logic to Jesus and his father and get a better understanding.

Jesus has told you who the only true God is , he told you he is his father, his God, you read it but wunt accept it
The disciples have told you who the one God is, you read it, but you wunt accept it
You read jehovahs prophecy about Jesus, but you still think Jesus is jehovah.
You read it several times that God sent his Son, God did not say he sent himself, you read it that God acknowledged his son on earth, yet you refuse to accept it, you decided through derived analogy that God sent himself and acknowledged himself.
whenever I asked you that does Jesus have a son? cus the almighty has a son, you refuse to respond.
whenever I say God cannot die, but the scriptures said Jesus died, I see no response.

i never said Jesus is the Father but that Jesus and his Father are one God.

and neither did I say you said so, what Im telling you is that no verse in the scriptures says "Jesus and the father are one God"!

my father is a true human therefore i his son am also a true human. I and my father are the same species not two different species.
Jesus is true God because his father is true God.

I can see where you are getting it wrong, you are thinking that the "true God" is a nature, you don't realise that the word "true" qualifies who that God is!
your father can be bad human and then good human, and then cruel human all in one minute, the "good, bad, cruel" describe the kind of human he is! hope you get it now.
You as his son does not become a good human cus your father is a good human, neither will you become bad human cus your father is a bad human!

Jesus as a human is subject to God his Father.
Your wish is for me to abadon my lion analogy but i have passed the message to you and you got it.

Good, cus he is still subjected to God who is his father in heaven, so now you know who is the almighty . The almighty is not subjected to anyone.
hope you remember that Jesus called God his father!
Now let me ask you, is Jesus still a human?

I did get your lion analogy, I get it that it exposes your theories as false!, you described 2 lions, but wanted to claim it's one lion!

angels are not begotten sons of God So they do not have the nature of God they are only servants.

1. Is Jesus not a servant of God, I remember Jehovah calling Jesus his servant in his prophecy?
2. what the difference between begotten son and son?
3. brocab your brother does not believe Jesus is the son of God, why you guys have different beliefs?

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said [color=red]he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
[/color]

who does the scriptures call the "he" coloured red above?
That God did not say that to the angels does not nullify the fact that they are sons of God or does it? Are angels not sons of God because of her 1:5?

we christians are Jesus brother because we have one nature.

so you are now God! wow! , I fear you o.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Jesus never called angels his brethren.


Hebrews 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,



Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

God you read those scriptures, we know that almighty God does not have brothers, therefore Jesus is not almighty God cus Jesus has brothers.

it does not make him a real God.

christians do not recognise satan as God only blind men do.

So the person who called satan "theos" of these world is a blind man , continue!

[quote author=solite3 post=51481783][/quote](go and learn how to quote)
To help us know if those verses said those words, you should have quoted it and highlighted where those words where said in those verses.

solite3 can almighty God die? no
did Jesus die? Yes
Jesus is not almighty God

You are someone's son, you are not the someone you are son of.
Jesus is the son of God, Jesus is not the God he is son of.
You and the one you are son of are both humans, but you are not the same human!, you are different humans!
Almighty God has a son, Jesus does not have a son!
Jesus is subjected to God , both on earth and in heaven!

you have abandoned your lion analogy

Jesus has brothers, God does not have brothers
Jesus is an heir, God is not an heir
angels are also sons of God , if son of God is God, how come angels are not God too.

Satan is the "theos" of these system of things , deal with that!

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

you can only understand things of the flesh,
things of this world,
and not things of the Spirit.


And apart from that you don't believe the Bible that shows
the Word is God.

you don't understand
and you don't believe
double whammy



You lie lie dolphinheart don't know that God and the Word is God
two persons one God

and you lie lie don't believe the Bible which says so:




Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1. And when I ask you those things of the spirit, you will run, claiming you are not hear to say such.
2. There is a post above yours,(I'll modify it and ado you moniker) can you explain the scriptures their? I don't think so!
3. John 1:1 says : In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
the word was with God, the word cannot be the God he was with!.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

It has been shown to you several times how your for fathers tried to change words in the scriptures to support their false doctrines, the word for God, colored red above cannot be found in the scriptures.
Below is the true rendering of that part of 1 ti 3:16:

[b]New International Version
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory

English Standard Version
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

New American Standard Bible 
By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory. 

International Standard Version
By common confession, the secret of our godly worship is great: In flesh was he revealed to sight, kept righteous by the Spirit's might, adored by angels singing. To nations was he manifest, believing souls found peace and rest, our Lord in heaven reigning! 
reigning! 

NET Bible
And we all agree, our religion contains amazing revelation: He was revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory. 

New Heart English Bible
Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: He was revealed in the flesh, justified by the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, and received up in glory.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The mystery that gives us our reverence for God is acknowledged to be great: He appeared in his human nature, was approved by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was announced throughout the nations, was believed in the world, and was taken to heaven in glory. 

New American Standard 1977 
And by common confession great is the mystery of godliness: 
            He who was revealed in the flesh, 
            Was vindicated in the Spirit, 
            Beheld by angels, 
            Proclaimed among the nations, 
            Believed on in the world, 
            Taken up in glory.

American Standard Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

English Revised Version
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, received up in glory.[/b]

Go and study the verse, search to see which translation is true, is the Greek word in that verse "he" or "God".
I know you wunt do such study and if you do , you will not post the result, for it will tell you that the greek word for God which is "thoes" cannot be foundisplayed in that verse, so where did your translation get the word for "god" that it used in that verse from .


The issue of 1 ti 3:16 has shown how deep false teachers had gone in trying to alter the original words of the authors, they have seen that no the scriptures do not directly support them, they initially relied on derived analogy, on perceived similarities ,while trying not to mention the differences. since all these will not work, they decided to alter certain words in the scriptures .
Rev 1:8 is another example, adding words to the scriptures , not knowing that better manuscripts are kept hidden from their powers.

More on God being manifest in the flesh:

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus is a god, a mighty one, even angels are gods , but Jesus is not almighty God, he is a son to the almighty God, a subject who remaims subjected to the almighty God, he is at the right side of God, the almighty God, the most high, the supreme being, Jesus is not the most high he is at the right side of.
Jesus is not the God that exalted him
Jesus is not the God that raised him
Jesus is not the most high he pleads on our behalf from
Jesus is not the almighty God.

Jesus is the son of God
1Jo 4:9By this the love of God was revealed in our case, that God sent his only-begotten Son into the world so that we might gain life through him.[/u]

Jesus is son of the most high
[b]King James Version
Lu 1:32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Jesus is at the right hand of God, he does not sit on the throne of God
[b]Heb 12:2as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God..

Heb 10:12But this man offered one sacrifice for sins for all time and sat down at the right hand of God,

Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.

1Pe 3:22 He is at God’s right hand, for he went to heaven, and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him.

Ac 2:33Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear[/u]


Jesus is subjected to God.
1Co 15:27For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him.
1Co 15:28But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

Jesus has a God he calls "my God" both here on earth and in heaven!
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
Re 3:12“‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.[/u]


Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, [b]God with us.

More on Jesus is God:
Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

you are now trying to predict my response, wow! 

johnw74, it is always good to study the Bible, it is also good to make sure of what the Bible you are quoting is really saying.

is it the blood of God that was used for our purchasing or the blood of Jesus.?

King James Version
1Jo 1:5-7 :This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ HIS SON cleanseth us from all sin.

Does act 20: 28 now indicate Jesus is the God in 1 john 1:5 ? no ooooo!
Jesus is the son of God , gods own Son,.

The footnote of some Translations read 
(NIV)
Footnotes:
a. acts 20:28 Many manuscripts of the Lord
b. acts 20:28 Or with the blood of his own son

(ESV) 
Footnotes:
a. acts 20:28 Some manuscripts of the Lord
b. acts 20:28 Or with the blood of his own son

acts 20:28 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God which he obtained with the blood of his own Son.
Footnotes:
a. acts 20:28 Other ancient authorities read of the Lord
b. acts 20:28 [/color=blue]Greek with the blood of his Own or with his own blood[/color]

acts 20:28 New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised (NRSVA)
Keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock, of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.
Footnotes:
a. acts 20:28 Other ancient authorities read of the Lord
b. acts 20:28 Or with his own blood ; Gk with the blood of of his own.

when you read the scriptures you understand better. You will know if God did send his son or if he sent himself to be a man.
King James Version
Re 1:5,6 - And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us,and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
:6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

King James Version
Joh 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

I sincerely pray that you read and respond to this scriptures I've posted to you.
GOD DID NOT SEND HIMSELF TO DIE, GOD CANNOT DIE, HE SENT HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO SHED HIS BLOOD ON OUR BEHALF. GOD GAVE HIS SON , NOT HIMSELF!!
JESUS DIED, GOD CANNOT DIE.



readers can check this out: onlytruegod dot org/defense/acts20.28

1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is [b]the Lord from heaven.
"Lord" in that verse is "kurios" meaning supreme in authority, God.
and who other than God is supreme in authority?

1 cor 15:47
New International Version
The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven.

English Standard Version
The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven.

New American Standard Bible 
The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven.

International Standard Version
The first man came from the dust of the earth; the second man came from heaven.

A look at the Greek text shows that the Greek word for "Lord" cannot be found in that verse.

ὁ[b]πρῶτος ἄνθρωπος ἐκ γῆς χοϊκός, ὁ δεύτερος ἄνθρωπος ἐξ οὐρανοῦ.[/b]

IT IS NOT GOOD TO SPREAD FALSE TRANSLATIONS OF THE SCRIPTURES!

(1)
King James Version
1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

We all know that a man and a woman are two different persons, the verse says the man is the head of a woman, the woman here cannot be the man, neither can the man be the woman, how come some now feel that the christ in this verse is also God?
God is the head of christ how can God now be christ that he is the head of!

analyse this with what 1Co 15:27, 28 says.

(2)
in isaiahs prophecy, jehovah is talking about the Messiah, he said this :

King James Version
Isa 42:1Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

We all know that Jehovah was talking about the Messiah , the fulfilment of those prophecies and who jehovah is reffering to can be found in the following verses: luke 9:35, 2Pe 1:17 and Matthew 3:16
How come some feel that jehovah is the messiah, why do some feel that Jehovah was talking about himself as his own servant?

(3)
King James Version
1Jo 4:9In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

The verse says God sent his only begotten son, it did not say God sent himself!
Now the question is , did God send himself? If no is the answer , why is it that some feel that the one who was sent is also the one who did the sending.
modified:
johnw74, can you give your understanding of the scriptures mentioned above?

brocab:
That settles it-you would rather listen to the critic's those who are atheist, then listen to God Himself.
Not we, you are talking about the meaning of explanation of the scriptures.
You quoted scripture and I answered it with the Word Of God.
Call 911 and ask God directly instead of making yourself more confused about which bible holds the truth, or which critic holds their own written manuscripts, that you believe, more then the hole truth about Word Of God.

so you called God to ask him if the words of the verse under discussion is authentic or not?
brocab, people who are dubious , who want to use crooked brain to confuse others say what you just said above. There is an issue of authenticity on ground and you will use that method cus you know it's hard or almost imposible to verify if you are telling the truth or not. Like you, there are a lot of false people who say God is talking to them even when it's clear that they are lying.
I've given you irrevocable facts that the words in that verse cannot be found in the better, earlier, and most reliable manuscripts, I've shown you how people who study those manuscripts came to realise that some words where later added , words that where not in the original manuscripts, words that where no written by the author of that book. Your only defence is that you asked God!. Well , there are many like you hear in Nigeria, we see them everyday with their fake miracles and Co , acting as if na only dem get God's spirit.

brocab:
The NKIV, NIVUK, NIV, NCV, GOD'S WORD CEB, NASB These are some of the bibles you produce, to fight for you.

brocab, I did not ask you for a list of bibles , I did not ask you for a list of bibles I produce, I simply asked you to tell us the translation you quoted psalms 83:18 from, why is that so hArd for you to do!?, you have quoted psalms 83: 18, pls tell us the translation you used?

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

I have already told you, I neither read or reply to all posts,
don't keep crying over what I do, or don't do
it's making you unwell,

and don't worry about bro, unlike you he knows God

calm down be well

I don't think I ever asked you to reply to all post , but it's good to help your brother out if he's taking the wrong part.
For a while you have been attacking my believes , but your brother has a wrong belief and you keep quiet!

does he agree with you that proverbs 8 :22- 30 is referring to Jesus?, if no is the answer, have you tried to tell him the truth? if you have tried to tell him the truth, has he accepted?

johnw74:
I know you love the fact that satan is the god of this world,
as he is your god.

But you are in that area of mental instability again where you repeat the same posts over and over again.

Relax

Good that you once again state that Satan is the god of these world

brocab:
{Psalms 83:18} That they may know, that you, whose name alone is the Lord, over the Most High over all the earth.
Had you not noticed, Lord is spelt in Small letters, not in the larger letters. So Jehovah means Lord...

WHICH TRANSLATION DID YOU GET THIS FROM!, TELL US THE NAME OF THE BIBLE YOU QUOTED!

brocab:
Yes you do need to be a believer in Christ to know the scriptures-Jesus said He will send us another helper-to lead us in all truth.

don't get confused brocab, we are not talking about the meaning or explanation of the scriptures. We are talking about the authenticity and existence of particular words and sentences in the scriptures.
people who do such works do not have to believe in the content.

And if you don't believe everything this scholar say's, then how do you believe in anything He say's?

hope you read my post, their explanations guide me in coming to a conclusion about a particular issue. If they give an explanation that is convincing enough, I believe them.

The problem you are having is-you are trying to get your answers elsewhere other then looking for answers in the bible.

Get serious brocab, we are discussing the authenticity of a particular scripture, 2 different bibles giving conflicting statements, how do you know which one is true if not to study the source of the translation.

And of course their are critics everywhere-but as I said without having the Spirit of God, none of these answers are accurate.
So Its a lie from the beginning.
Without the Holy Spirit gliding us, no-one will know the truth.
Like you-another blind person who only thinks he/she has all the answers, and has none without the Spirit of God.
There is no back door into heaven-and if you feel you aren't part of the 144000 going to be with God, then you will burn in Hell on Earth. As it's written, it will be {2 Peter 3:10}

1. so if a christian who claims to have Gods spirit tells you the same answer that I've given you about that verse, will you agree?
2. I'll love go be part of the meek ones who will inherit the earth.

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you could not bring any scripture in any translation that says :
1. jesus is jehovah
2. jesus is almighty God
3. jesus and the father are one God almighty.

You mentioned Rev 1 : 18, it says :
King James Version
Re 1:18I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

the verse did not say jesus is almighty God(no wonder you could not quote it).
jesus says he was dead, SOLITE3 ALMIGHTY GOD CANNOT DIE!
Hab 1:12 Are you not from everlasting, O Jehovah? O my God, my Holy One, you do not die. O Jehovah, you appointed them to execute judgment; My Rock, you established them for punishment.

if Satan is not a god, plus tell us who is the god of this world?

you have abandoned your lion analogy, no verse says jesus is the only true son of God, stop fomulating things!.
we all know that jesus has brothers who are sons of God, we all know that apart from jesus, there are other sons of God, your analogies keep falling by the wayside .

brocab:
We see and know the same God-but you don't know the name of your God..

same God, but having different beliefs !

brocab:
{Proverbs 8:22-30} Proves the Lord wasn't created, and He was with God from the beginning of existence.
And when Jesus said; I and the Father are One, it proves they exist.
Reading it from {Isaiah 8:1-22} sounds even better.

I'm not asking you what the verses proof, simple question , do you agree that the verses (prov 8: 22-30) is referring to jesus.

brocab:
If God had never sent Himself to the Earth-then explain why an angel of the Lord said to Mary, she will receive a son, and His name will be called immanual-meaning God with us?

1. There is no "if" there, even you cannot suggest that God sent himself. The scriptures are clear on who God sent.
The prophecies say God sent his servant, not himself . God was indicating and talking about someone else, not himself.
pls read this verses and tell me if you think God was talking about himself as the one sent.
King James Version
Isa 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Isa 42:2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.

King James Version
Isa 42:6I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, [/u]and will hold thine hand,[/u] and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Isa 42:7To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

King James Version
Isa 52:13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.
brocab, look at those verses and yell me if God was talking about himself.

King James Version
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

King James Version
1Jo 4:10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
jesus says he was sent by God, God says his son jesus, jesus tells us that the one who sent him is his father. You read all this and you could still ask if God sent himself? wow!

And why does {Isaiah 9:6} Say's. For unto us a child is born, Unto us a Son is given, And the Government will be upon His shoulder, and His name will be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, prince of peace..

brocab, calling someone immanual or someone bearing the that does not mean that person is God. There was an immanual before jesus came to earth,, that person was not God

brocab:
Which of the two do you believe in scripture. And this will prove, you have denied {John 1:1}
A. {John 1:1} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
B. {John 1:1} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god?

you asked me that question before, I answered you, even quoted the verse to you, the answer is B.

brocab:
Thank you-you call Him God God..But the true meaning to Jehovah is Lord..
It's good you can use the KJ's bible for God's name Jehovah-but you won't use the KJ's bible concerning missing scriptures.

You can continue as long as you want to deny your bible, refusing to quote that verse even after numerous requests have been made to you to quote it.
Most people know what psalms 83: 18 says, it tells us that God's name is Jehovah!