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solite3:
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go and learn how to quote!
Im starting to believe you deliberately put you post in a format that one can't quote you.

you keep on exposing your doctrine everyday.
I did not call the word of God theory, don't lay false accusations. Your doctrine cannot be supported with the scriptures, ones it is being scrutinised, it gets exposed as false, man made theory which was formulated from finding similarities between two different persons.

can you hear yourself, jesus and the father are two different persons but are the same being, wow!. what will you not cook up so as to support you doctrines.

You have been showed with scriptures were jehovah was talking to about jesus, yet you say jesus is Jehovah cus of derived analogy
You have been shown in the scriptures where jehovah was talking to jesus, yet you claim jehovah is talking to him himself since you believe that jehovah is jesus.
You have been shown scripture verse , but you refuse to answer or examine them cus it will expose your false doctrines.

Jehovah told jesus to sit at his right hand yet you say jehovah is jesus, imagine!
Stephen saw two different beings in heaven, but you want claim he saw one.
Jehovah is called the most high and jesus is his son, but you prefer to call jesus the most high, something you can't find in the scriptures.

TRINITY IS A FALSE DOCTRINE, STOP TRYING TO JUSTIFY IT THROUGH SEARCH FOR SIMILARITIES AND DERIVED ANALOGY, READ THE SCRIPTURES AND KNOW THE TRUTH!

brocab:
I have asked you kindly and nicely dolphinheart about explaining why your magazine had left out Jesus in the comforters story. And still you have refused to explain the facts.

then I asked you kindly and nicely to provide the full text of that paragraph on these thread so that you, I and anyone interested could see what the paragraph fully said, and it Truly left out jesus in the comfort story.

But to be truthful I already knew you didn't have the answers to my question, only because you and your comrades don't really believe in Christ anyway, this is why none of your magazines really have anything to do with Jesus.
His name is only mentioned to draw in lost souls, people with issues, people who haven't the slightest idea about anything, hurting people who never knew about the love of Christ.

try me and see na!, provide the full text of the paragraph and see it I wunt explain!

Some from other Churches, protestants Catholic's etc" people who had never given themselves completely over to Jesus our savour, people with problems, these people are targeted by your organisation, at a door to door spree-you move like the wind no one knows which direction you come. Like Child molesters who seeks after the weak, broken families torn apart, falling sort from the love of God.
Satan comes in to steal and kill everything in His path, He takes away the mind of the believer, he uses organisations such as yours, only to draw them further away from the truth about Christ.
And what does your Magazine say about Jesus and the comforter story? nothing...

Ac 20:20while I did not hold back from telling you any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching you publicly and from house to house.

Isa 61:1The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, Because Jehovah anointed me to declare good news to the meek. He sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And the wide opening of the eyes to the prisoners,

solite3:
Further proof that Jesus is God Jehovah Almighty of the old testament.


Creation

In the bible God God said he made the heavens and the earth alone without using any other.

Job 9:8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.

Isaiah 37:16 O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou[b] alone,[/b] of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth.


Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Note the use of 'alone'and 'by myself"
If Jehovah created all things by himself how is it possible for him to create all things by another?

To whom should we attribute the creation of the heavens and the earth to?

To the Son,
Hebrews 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:


This verse reveals that the son is Jehovah God of the old testament.
This verse was taken from psalm 102 which is clearly referred to Jehovah.

REMEMBER, ATTRIBUTING JEHOVAH'S GLORY TO ANOTHER IS ABHORRENT TO JEHOVAH.
Isaiah 48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

in your quest to prove a false theory, you yourself use your own explanation to expose yourself.
(1) Jehovah, when talking has shown himself to be one person, not a person with double personality nor is their two or more person in him!. you yourself said Jehovah used "alone" and "by myself", this means Jehovah is one person, not multiple person!
Now if Jehovah is the same person as jesus, it automatically means Jehovah is not the father, this is not true, thus your theory is false.
you have stated that jesus and the father are not the same person, therefore both cannot be Jehovah, using this facts shows how false your attempt to link jess with Jehovah is!

(2) the scriptures has at on many occasions shown Jehovah talking about his son jesus, their are numerous prophecies showing Jehovah was talking about jesus and many scriptures showing how jesus fuffiled such prophecies. In those prophecies, Jehovah was not talking about himself!, he was talking about someone else, that someone else(jesus) cannot be Jehovah!.
A very good example is the prophecy Jehovah gave to Isaiah in Isa 42:1 and 2 : Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.
Isa 42:2He will not cry out or raise his voice, And he will not make his voice heard in the street..
Jehovah did not say "look ,myself " or did he?
Jehovah did not say " I put my spirit in myself" or did he?

The following listed scriptures shows that this prophecy was referring to jesus(you can dispute it and tell us who it refers to to), therefore jesus cannot be Jehovah!.
Luke 9:35, Matt 3:17, John 6:27, 2Pe 1:17, Mt 3:16, Mt 12:16, Mt 12:19
Mt 12:15-18Having come to know this, Jesus departed from there. Many also followed him, and he cured them all,16but he sternly ordered them not to make him known,17in order to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet, who said:18“Look! My servant whom I chose, my beloved, whom I have approved! I will put my spirit upon him, and what justice is he will make clear to the nations.

(3). Jehovah has also been recorded as talking to jesus, Jehovah was not talking to himself when this statements where made.
The kjv says : Ac 2:34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,.
when we look at where the disciple got this words that David said from, we realise it is jehovah that is talking to jesus!
look at the verse the disciple got this statement from below:
Ps 110:1Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
So proponents of the "jesus is Jehovah " theory, plus tell , is Jehovah talking to himself or to someone else?

To even show you that Jehovah is not jesus and also that jesus is not the God that was Jehovah, pls read and examine the following verses:
1Co 15:25For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet.
Heb 10:12, 13 But this man offered one sacrifice for sins for all time and sat down at the right hand of God,13from then on waiting until his enemies should be placed as a stool for his feet.

Your refusal to accept the truth behind creation is what is affecting your theory about who Jehovah is. read the following scriptures:
Heb 1:1Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways.
Heb 1:2Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.
1Co 8:6there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
Pr 8:30 Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;

SOLITE3, YOU YOURSELF CAN SEE HOW FALSE TEACHINGS CRUMBLE WHE ONE USES THE SCRIPTURES TO EXAMINE IT!

Who shall all people bow and confess?

Jehovah

Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

To Jesus

Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

go and read carefully who told you to bow to jesus, why you bow to jesus and who receives the glory when you bow to jesus, maybe you will then understand better!

Who should you believe in for salvation?

Jehovah

Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Jesus

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

READ THE SCRIPTURES SOLITE3, STOP LOOKING FOR SIMILARITIES!
[b]Lu 2:25And look! there was a man in Jerusalem named Simʹe·on, and this man was righteous and devout, waiting for Israel’s consolation, and holy spirit was upon him.
Lu 2:26Furthermore, it had been divinely revealed to him by the holy spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Christ of Jehovah.
Lu 2:27Under the power of the spirit, he now came into the temple, and as the parents brought the young child Jesus in to do for him according to the customary practice of the Law,
Lu 2:28he took the child into his arms and praised God and said:
Lu 2:30 [ color=blue]because my eyes have seen your means of salvation[/color]

Ac 4:12Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”
1Ti 2:5, 6For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,6who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—this is what is to be witnessed to in its own due time.[/b]

Jehovah has always been providing means of salvation for his people in times past , he used certain people, in this period he used jesus, he sent jesus to save us!

Who is going to Judge the world?

Jehovah by himself
Psalms 50:6 And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.

Jesus
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

These and many more proves that Jesus was the very same Jehovah of the old testament.

your yourself expose yourself, you read that judging has been been entrusted to Christ, but you did not understand cus you are looking for similarities instead of studying the scriptures!.
The difference between your questions on who will judge and who is judge is quite glaring!

Ac 10:42Also, he ordered us to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness that this is the one decreed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.
* the one who was decreed to be judge is not same as one who decreed him to be judge!

Ac 17:31Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”

CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ONE WHO IS JUDGE AND THE ONE WHO HE HAS APPOINTED TO DO THE JUDGING!

READ FOR BETTER UNDERSTAND ING:
Joh 5:27 And he has given him authority to do judging, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:30I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.

JESUS IS NOT ALSO THE ONE WHO SENT JESUS, JEHOVAH IS THE ONE WHO SENT JESUS, JESUS IS NOT JEHOVAH?

You can prop up each others ego all you want, if you cannot provide the full text of that paragraph, then I can't help you.
You say you read something, you now throw it away, only for you to now say some few words from that same paragraph.
If you want to talk about what is in that magazine, pls provide the full text of the paragraph you have issues with! simple .
If you like say unsubstantiated ,false ideas about my person, it does not deter me from telling you that you lied anytime you do so!
solite3 does not believe that the father is same person as jesus Christ, yet he goes to the same church with someone who does!

Emusan:
You haven't! And don't dodge it.

let's see if you are right.
You asked me some questions and I gave you my answer on sep 17 by 7:22pm .
below is your question followed by the answer I gave.

QUESTION: "If I may ask, is it ONLY nwt that is correct (that is, NO SINGLE verse was wrong in its translation) in all ENGLISH versions that we have"
ANSWER: "as far as my studies have allowed me, I've not had any personal issues with the nwt. A verse being wrong or right is dependent on the reader and facts brought forward to surport such translation."

QUESTION: If your answer is NO! Please, kindly list any English translation you know that translated ALL BIBLE VERSES correctly like nwt
ANSWER: I've not studied all verses in any single translation translation.

After answers where given, you still asked similar questions and I gave you my answers on sep 16 by 3:24pm
below are the questions and my answers:

QUESTION: Do you accept ALL TRANSLATIONS in nwt? Simple!
@bold-lol...but you got issue with other translations.
ANSWER: How can I answer such question when I've not studied all verses in one single translations talk less of all translations. I don't even know all translations, but as far as my present studies has taken me, I've got no issues with the nwt Yet!
I've got issues with verses from some other translations that I've studied

After these second set of questions where given you still went to to ask these questions below in which answers where givenecessary on sep 17 by 10:08 am

QUESTION: With the same level your studies have taken you to, is it only nwt that you have no issue with
ANSWER: no, but note, my study of other translations is very limited.
QUESTION: Is it only nwt your studies limited on or nwt and some specific translations
ANSWER: any translation I come across, but it's based on a particular verse, not the whole translation. and it is also dependent on the topic under discussion.

AFTER IVE GIVEN YOU ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS ,YOU NOW STILL STATED:
"That's why you can rate nwt above other translations which your studies about is so limited.....contunuuu
Then have you come across a single VERSE in nwt that you against
Answer my question....how do you know that very particular verse is wrong"

well, I've I've told you my views on all the verses of the NWT that I've studied, yet you are still asking about it!, so Emusan, I've answered all your questions!

The reason why I didn't respond is that, I know you're looking for away to divert from the point have raised.

Which I don't have time for, so safe yourself from all this because it won't help you.

Emusan, there is no point you raised that I did not respond to, do there is no diversion. We are having a discussion about accepted translations, more expecially about verses. You said you accepted all the verses in two selected translations, you also said the verses have the same meaning , I pointed out several verses to you in which those translations have different words, meaning and understanding! I asked you to explain, asking selected questions but you refuse to answer.
you asked questions based on the same topic under discussion but can't answer questions based on the same topic, you are asking questions because you are just looking for fault!

below are those scriptures, the issues stated and questions asked again:
Here below is the post again, the issues stated and questions asked, let's see if you will address the different issues raised when comparing the translations of each verse.
(Note it is evident that both translations can't be correct, since you say you accept both translations, do you then accept incorrect translations)

"[b] (1) 1 John 5: 7
NIV translation : For there are three that testify:
KJV says: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Apart from the fact that they do not have the same words , they also do not have the same meaning or are they telling us the same thing?
so can you explain these differences in that verse?

(2) rev 1:8
NIV says :"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."
KJV says : I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
the words " the begginING and the ending" cannot be found in the NIV, pls tell us why, cus such words go a long way in telling us who that verse is referring to.
are those words meant to be their like in the KJV or not meant to be their like in the NIV?

***(3) isaiah 9:3
NIV says: You have enlarged the nation and increased their joy; they rejoice before you as people rejoice at the harvest, as warriors rejoice when dividing the plunder.
KJV says: Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as men rejoice when they divide the spoil.
NIV helps us to understand that God increased their joy while KJV says the opposite, can you espanciate on the difference between the two and tell us which is right and which is wrong? cus they give us different meaning!

another one is 1 ti:3:16, kjv says "God was manifest in the flesh", but the NIV says " he appeared in the flesh".
pls tell us, did the NIV translate the Greek word for God "theos" to "he" in that verse or did the KJV Translate the Greek word for "he" to "god"?[/b]

My statement still stands, I accept ALL THOSE Translations I listed that time and I can see you've misunderstood point up there but I don't have time for that.

you accept those verses after being shown that they have different meaning?!
if you accept the two translations of those verses posted above, even after they tell you two different meanings, all I can do if bow for you and leave you with your acceptance.

If not because copy and paste that you're doing, how will you know that what you quoted from Isaiah 9:6 wasn't exert content.
Just continue.

that was typo error, I did not post words that cannot be found in the NIV and KJV, so that means I went to those verses, quoted it for for you. The verse number has been corrected.

I told you, I accept more than ONE TRANSALTION in all over thousands of Bible translations we have. I didn't hold anyone above another.

even when some verses give you different understandING and meaning? wow!

But the simple questions I've been asking are;
1. Is there any VERSE you found WRONG in NWT just as you can find in those translations you're talking about?
2. If you use NIV and KJV to cross check each other before you know that one is accurate and the other is inaccurate, which translation do you use to cross check NWT before you accepted the LITTLE verses you've claimed to accept?
3. Is there another translation you accept apart from NWT? If Yes! State it here....Simple

1. check the beginning of this post, the answer is their
2. I did not use the NIV and the kjv to cross check each other, I've not stated or selected one to be right and the other wrong, I only brought out those verses to show you they are different , and for you to explain certain things about their difference since you accept both of them!
3.look at the explanations I've given you, not studied any translation fully, talk less of all translations. I don't study translations, I study verses in translations!, if there are issues with verses during discussions, I try to get some study done about it and come up with my own personal views. I do not accept verses from 2 translations when they give different meanings!, I'll study which one is correct!

All this episode won't change my posit.

okay

So why do you reject some verses and on what basis do you reject them?

if I found the verse translation to be spurious, false, manipulated or non existent!

So, it means you uphold it above any other translation. SIMPLE....which is what you're trying to say all this while.

good to note you are understanding the end result(though still continuing)of my study.

To get the above statement you just confirmed.

so you are trying to get what you don't care about?, good.

I mean, what do you use to check the accuracy of NWT before you could accept it to study God's word, so that we can use it for other translation accuracy too.

books, explanation given by scholars, manuscripts, texts , opinions , and many more!

NO! I didn't ask the same question. When I said, I accept the two translations I know what I'm saying. But you who trying to make a point by quoting two different translations should come to conclusion like with this evidence NIV is more correct than KJV or based on how other scholars explained so so so verse both NIV and KJV are wrong.

I've not stated that one this particular translation is more correct than the other , or have I?
I've not stated that one particular verse is right and the other is wrong , or have I?.
I've only shown you the difference between verses in the two translations and asked you specific questions relating to those verses since you stated their is no difference In meaning!
The issue is not about one translation being more correct than the other, the issue is about the difference in the meaning and understandING in some verses of the translations that you accept. They said different things, and not same thing in different manner.

So, you must answer that question unless, the point I'm making here is beyond your comprehension.

if you do not want to answer the specific questions I asked about those scriptures I quoted, you can leave it!

In Summary this is my point:
If you accept NWT verses on what basis? how do you come to that conclusion? Can the same study you applied to NWT before accepted it be applied to other translations for right judge?
So, stop perambulating and go straight to the point.

1. through study
2. yes

Emusan:
That's why you can rate NWT above other translations which your studies about is so limited.....contunuuu



Then have you come across a single VERSE in NWT that you against

Answer my question....how do you know that very particular verse is wrong

I believe I've answered your questions several times!

I read your point and understood them. Using NIV with KJV shows something was wrong with some particular verses. Now you have one translation you can use to check mate the other.

Which translation do you use to check the little verses you've studied in NWT before you can say that you don't have problem with NWT

I posted some verses from two translations you accepted, you initially claimed that those translations don't have verses that give different meanings when they are translated. After giving you those verses, I gave some points and asked some questions which up till now you refuse to respond to. I even put those points and questions in another color for you to see, but still you did not respond to it.
It is clear that those verses did not give the same meaning, neither do they contain same content or issues.

here below is the post again, let's see if you will a dress the different issues raised when comparing the translations of each verse.
(Note it is evident that both translations can't be correct, since you say you accept both translations, do you then accept incorrect translations)

"[b]maybe you did not read the points I made after I quoted the verses, Ill repost them and put the point in red for you to read and respond to, note it is not about accuracy, but the difference in meaning and message passed!
(1) 1 John 5: 7
NIV translation : For there are three that testify:
KJV says: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Apart from the fact that they do not have the same words , they also do not have the same meaning or are they telling us the same thing?
so can you explain these differences in that verse?

(2) rev 1:8
NIV says :"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."
KJV says : I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
the words " the begginING and the ending" cannot be found in the NIV, pls tell us why, cus such words go a long way in telling us who that verse is referring to.
are those words meant to be their like in the KJV or not meant to be their like in the NIV?

(3) isaiah 9:6
NIV says: You have enlarged the nation and increased their joy; they rejoice before you as people rejoice at the harvest, as warriors rejoice when dividing the plunder.
KJV says: Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, and as men rejoice when they divide the spoil.
NIV helps us to understand that God increased their joy while KJV says the opposite, can you espanciate on the difference between the two and tell us which is right and which is wrong? cus they give us different meaning!

another one is 1 ti:3:16, kjv says "God was manifest in the flesh", but the NIV says " he appeared in the flesh".
pls tell us, did the NIV translate the Greek word for God "theos" to "he" in that verse or did the KJV Translate the Greek word for "he" to "god"?

you have been asking several questions about the NWT, I asked you questions about the translations you accepted and agree with, but you refuse to answer any of my questions.
(Note that I even numbered the scriptures qouted)

I have not checkmate any version with any version yet, I just quoted the verses from 2 translations you agree with and asked you to explain the difference in words, messages and meaning!

Which point do you arrive at on NWT?

that so far, I can use in in my study of God's word

As if I care...

so why the questions?

So which scripture do you use for NWT?

I do not understand

So, which translation is accurate between the two?

you say you accepted the two translations , I brought out some verses for you to explain the differences between the two, now you are asking me the same question you don't want to answer!

Your studies must be fair not base on any doctrine or a believe in a particular translation before you can say yes I've studied well.

I know the result of your studies won't be anything other than, NWT is the only accurate translation among the over one thousand Translations we have.

okay

DoctorAlien:
dolphinheart,

I asked you to provide a place in the Bible that says "GOD will resurrect people" through Jesus Christ.

Resurrection coming through Jesus Christ means He is the One who brought resurrection.

If you claim Jesus Christ is only a means through which resurrection was conveyed: that same verse says death came in by one man. Now was Adam only a means through which death was conveyed? Who gave death through Adam?

get serious , you are asking childish questions, you want God to directly tell you that he is performing the resurrection through Jesus before you can believe or respond to the numerous verses shown to you.

DoctorAlien:
dolphinheart,

Who was GOD talking to in Gen. 1:26?

Consider verse 26 while explaining.

he was talking to the one whom he used in creating man

Pr 8:30Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;

Heb 1:1Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways.
Heb 1:2Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.

will not be answering any more questions from you today, at least you have shown not to be able to respond to scriptures given, hence it means you have accepted them.

solite3:
are you telling me Jesus lied?

I will answer you once you tell me what those scriptures I posted tell you about who ressurected Jesus!, look at those verses and respond to them, for the scriptures does not contradict itself!

solite3:
I didn't dolphinheart. This is an excuse

you didn't do what? , pls be specific.
is it that you did not modify your post or you did not answer the request about the scriptures posted to you!

[quote author=solite3 post=49471877][/quote]modify your post so one can respond !

DoctorAlien:
Almighty - having complete power; omnipotent.
Is Jesus Christ not omnipotent? What can He not do?

oh Lord! did you not read the post you just responded to!

DoctorAlien:
Help your brother barny95 out

Where is it written in the Bible that GOD will resurrect people "through" Jesus Christ

still behaving in the same dubious manner, always jumping from one question to the other the moment answers you cannot disprove are giving !

1Co 15:12-21Now if it is being preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how is it that some among you say there is no resurrection of the dead?13If, indeed, there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised up.14But if Christ has not been raised up, our preaching is certainly in vain, and your faith is also in vain.15Moreover, we are also found to be false witnesses of God, because we have given witness against God by saying that he raised up the Christ, whom he did not raise up if the dead are really not to be raised up.16For if the dead are not to be raised up, neither has Christ been raised up.17Further, if Christ has not been raised up, your faith is useless; you remain in your sins.18Then also those who have fallen asleep in death in union with Christ have perished.19If in this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are to be pitied more than anyone.20But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep in death.21For since death came through a man, resurrection of the dead also comes through a man.

Joh 5:26For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.

who granted the son to have life in himself, the father! your inability to understand that God has given Jesus the authority to judge (thus deciding who will be resurrected) is a serious problem!

solite3:
up till now , you can't quote properly, well here is my post again :
[quote author=dolphinheart post=49470320]I brought up two people called " the president", wherever they are, wherever they may go, they are both called president. I did not bring up domain!.

you saw my statement , yet you ask a wrong question: your logic is false, you say Jesus is not the father , so Jesus is not the same being as the father, so we have 2 beings, yet both are called mighty God!. false teachings cannot stand scrutiny!
titles like the president, Lord, mighty God, can be used for more than one person , you yourself admit that Jesus is not the same person as the father, yet both are called mighty god. or do you want to change your belief to Jesus is same person as the father?.
do you want to say that mighty God has multiple personality? made up of two different persons?.
If you reason your doctrines well, you will know it cannot stand scrutiny.

only one person is said to be Almighty God, has identified himself as Almighty God!
only menorah is ever called "most high", and to show you that Jesus is not the most high, the scriptures on several occasions tell you Jesus is sitting at the right hand of the most high. the one who is said to be, who claims to be, who the scriptures identified as the most high told Jesus to sit at his right hand
THE MOST HIGH WAS NOT TALKING TO HIMSELF!

Let's see if you can answer :

Da 7:13“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.

solite3, pls tell, who is the son of man and who is the ancient of days

Ac 7:56and he said: “Look! I see the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.”

pls tell , who did Stephen see, who did he call God and who did he call the son of man?

If Stephen, full of holy spirit , could identify and separate Jesus from God, why don't you want to accept it.
Stephen indicated Jesus as being at the right side of God, therefore, Jesus is not the God he is at the right side of, now if you claim Jesus is that same God, did Stephen see a wrong vision?

go back to your post and modify your words so that it can be responded to!
and I do hope when you modify it, you do add the answers to my questions!

DoctorAlien:
dolphinheart,

If all authority has been given to Jesus, is not Almighty? What can He not do?

What does "Almighty" mean?

ye cannot have authority over the one who gave him all authority, in fact the scriptures said he is subjected to the one who subjected all things under him!
check the dictionary for almighty!

DoctorAlien:
Was authority to know the time of the end also given to Him? Since all authority was given Him.

always asking, trying to find fault, yet can answer any, go and study when jesus talked about his knowledge of the time of the end and when all authority was given to him, you will understand better?

solite3:
False witnesses deny that Jesus resurrected himself from the grave and also claim that Jesus did not rise with his human body!

But see this verse that completely destroy their false teaching,

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up

John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
Jesus was clearly referring to his body


Jesus is Jehovah God.

I have every proof.

lack of understanding! always carrying your beliefs before the scriptures , hence you do not read thoroughly .

jesus died !, can God die?
look at this scriptures and see who resurrected jesus:

[b]King James Version
Ga 1:1Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and god the Father, who raised him from the dead

King James Version
Ac 2:23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Ac 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
* God and jesus here are two different persons
*God or part of God was not slain
(*Almighty God cannot die, jesus died, did he not?
Hab 1:12 Are you not from everlasting, O Jehovah? O my God, my Holy One, you do not die. O Jehovah, you appointed them to execute judgment; My Rock, you established them for punishment.)

King James Version
1Th 1:9For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
1Th 1:10And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
*clearly evident that jesus is not the living God in that verse


King James Version
Ac 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

King James Version
Ac 13:30,33,34,37 But God raised him from the dead:
33God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
* those verses clearly shows that jesus and God are two different persons.
* God was talking to jess who he raised, another fact to show jesus is not the God who resurrected him.

King James Version
Ro 4:24But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe [/u]on him[/u] that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
* who do you think is "him that raised jesus from the dead, do you think it is jesus?

King James Version
Ro 10:9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,thou shalt be saved.

King James Version
Eph 1:20Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
* again you see see God setting jesus at his own right hand, how can jesus now be God who set him at his own right hand side? can you see how false trinity is?

King James Version
Ac 3:15And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

King James Version
Heb 13:20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,[/b]

ALL THIS SCRIPTURES POINT TO A FACT THAT THE PERSON WHO DIED IS DIFFERENT FROM THE PERSON WHO DID THE RESURRECTION!

solite3:
genesis record God saying "let us" does that not tell you who God is?

solite3, prophecies shows Jehovah, talking about his servant , Jesus fulfilled those prophecies. jehovah was not talking about himself
Jehovah when talking about himself uses I , me , and other words to signify hims elf as only one person, jehovah is not 2 persons talking as one I person!
The scriptures tells us that jehovah is the most high , Jesus is sitting at the right hand of the most high, thus Jesus is not the most high! and jesus is not Jehova!

when God said "let us", God was not talking to himself ! or was he?
unless you want to claim that God is more than one person, which means there are more than one God! Remember the other part of that same verse says "our"!.

There are miriads of spirit creatures in heaven when God said this, but for you to understand who God was talking to , read these verses:

Pr 8:30 Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;

Heb 1:1Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways.
New World Translation
Heb 1:2Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.

solite3:
you brought the issue of domain by bringing America and Nigeria into this issue.

If the Father and Jesus are not one God, how come both is called The mighty God?

I brought up two people called " the president", wherever they are, wherever they may go, they are both called president. I did not bring up domain!.

you saw my statement , yet you ask a wrong question: your logic is false, you say Jesus is not the father , so Jesus is not the same being as the father, so we have 2 beings, yet both are called mighty God!. false teachings cannot stand scrutiny!
titles like the president, Lord, mighty God, can be used for more than one person , you yourself admit that Jesus is not the same person as the father, yet both are called mighty god. or do you want to change your belief to Jesus is same person as the father?.
do you want to say that mighty God has multiple personality? made up of two different persons?.
If you reason your doctrines well, you will know it cannot stand scrutiny.

only one person is said to be Almighty God, has identified himself as Almighty God!
only menorah is ever called "most high", and to show you that Jesus is not the most high, the scriptures on several occasions tell you Jesus is sitting at the right hand of the most high. the one who is said to be, who claims to be, who the scriptures identified as the most high told Jesus to sit at his right hand
THE MOST HIGH WAS NOT TALKING TO HIMSELF!

Let's see if you can answer :

Da 7:13“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.

solite3, pls tell, who is the son of man and who is the ancient of days

Ac 7:56and he said: “Look! I see the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at God’s right hand.”

pls tell , who did Stephen see, who did he call God and who did he call the son of man?

If Stephen, full of holy spirit , could identify and separate Jesus from God, why don't you want to accept it.
Stephen indicated Jesus as being at the right side of God, therefore, Jesus is not the God he is at the right side of, now if you claim Jesus is that same God, did Stephen see a wrong vision?

DoctorAlien:
JWs claim this verse is talking about GOD the Father: Rev. 1:8 "I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

They also (falsely) claim that this verse is talking about GOD the Father: Rev. 22:13 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." (See v.12).

Now, the Almighty is the Alpha and the Omega in Rev. 1:8. That same Alpha and Omega calls Himself the First and the Last in Rev. 22:13. It is now clear that the Almighty is the First and the Last.

Now, JWs admit that the "First and the Last" in Rev. 2:8 is Jesus Christ.

Does this not mean Jesus Christ is GOD? Can there be two "Firsts" and two "Lasts"?

If there can be, then that exposes another false JW doctrine: that Jesus was created.

How can GOD be the First and Jesus is the First too? Isn't this equality with GOD?

Note: Jesus doesn't say He is the First to be resurrected to immortal. HE IS THE FIRST!

continue to spew falsehood!
rev 1:8
New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

New American Standard Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

International Standard Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," declares the Lord God, "the one who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty."

NET Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God--the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come--the All-Powerful!

you can even go and study who the "Lord God " is in your bible.
I've told you to read and study verses 1-8 but you refused!, why ? cus you know the answer is there!
from genesis to revelation, the scriptures has told you several times who the Almighty is. not once has Jesus been said to be Almighty God!

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

the matter of concern has been posted many times
if you want to discuss other matters and broarden the discussion then do so

stop being cowardly and running away from the quoted text and the comments about it.

the natter under discussion is the paragraph, pls post the full text of the paragraph, then we will examine it!

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

you are not willing at all as you said, are you, but are like a broken record
repeating the same thing over and over again

but of course when you speak a lie you are speaking naturally

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

if you had done the right thing, their will be no repetition!
If you really want to discuss the issue about that paragraph, pls post the full text of that paragraph.

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart
There again in bold and enlarged, is brocab's quote from day's ago, of the w/tower paragraph word for word,
and to which you have been evading, saying again and again post the text,
that's what is called, "being fully entrenched in lies".

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

stop acting as if you have issues with understanding words, I asked anyone of you two to post THE FULL TEXT OF THE PARAGRAPH, not sentences in the paragraph that is punctuated by wrong understanding!

solite3:
Jesus is not the same person as the father but they are one God Jehovah!

false teachings , prophecies shows jehovah, talking about his servant , jesus fulfilled those prophecies. jehovah was not talking about himself
jehovah when talking about himself uses I , me , and other words to signify hims elf as only one person, jehovah is not 2 persons talking as one I person!
The scriptures tells us that jehovah is the most high , jesus is sitting at the right hand of the most high, thus jesus is not the most high!

solite3:
buhari has a domain in which he is the president, Obama can't be the President of that domain and vice versa.

God's domain is his creation

God cannot be the m ighty God of his domain and yet another being is also the mighty God.
Dolphinheart can it happen?

the reason or area in not what we are discussing , if buhari is in the U.S, he will still be called the president!

your logic is false, you say jesus is not the father , so jesus is not the same being as the father, so we have 2 beings, yet both are called mighty God!. false teachings cannot stand scrutiny!

DoctorAlien:
I simply asked a question: who is to come, according to Rev. 1:8?

can you find "who is to come"as a sentence in rev 1:8. If that sentence only comes about through your modification of a title, pls don't ask me dubious questions!

DoctorAlien:
Baba tell us who is to come according to Rev. 1:8.

omo, don't cut a title so a to find a different meaning to it!, leave the title the way it is recorded in several parts of the scriptures and ill tell you who that title is referring to.
imagine cutting parts a titLe off so as to find a different meaning, what dubious method wunt you employ!

DoctorAlien:
LOL

you are a very dubious fellow, resorting to comittING forgery and laughing at himself, thinking he has done a good job

DoctorAlien:
Exod. 20:2 "I am the Lord thy GOD..."

Please, "The Lord" translates what in Hebrew?

now I know Imy talking to someone who does not know that his bible had altered God's name in that verse. This is a big problem for you and your quest in knowing God!. Go AND STUDY THE HEBREW TEXTS

solite3:

Dolphinheart Do you now agree that Jesus is Jehovah God?

why should I agree that Jesus is jehovah God? IS JESUS THE SAME PERSON AS THE FATHER?

DoctorAlien:
Rev. 1:8 is not talking about Jesus? Please, who is to come?

don't cut the title , leave it the way it is and I'll tell you who rev 1:8 is referring to .

solite3:
If shade is called the mighty girl then kemi cannot also be called the mighty.

The article ' THE' has made it impossible for two people to bear the same title. Eg
If Buhari is The president then it is impossible for Lola to be called [b]The [/b]presisdent

wrong analogy, Obama is called the president, buhari is called the president, Obama is not buhari!
kemi is the beautiful girl, shade is the beautiful girl it does not mean that kemi is shade, it does mean that both are called the beautiful girl.
The father is not the same person as Jesus or is he?