brocab:
Does this mean you are running out of things to say, I have already explained Isaiah's Prophecy, and why was it prophesied.

You are the biggest liar I've ever met, just because you don't want to talk about that prophecy which spans more than one verse, you had to lie.

Maybe if you had just paid a little attention in the first place, and stop playing the dummy, we could have stepped up a little, and continualed on the next paragraph in the bible.
You may believe your comrades are laughing with you-but I assure you Dolphinheart-they are laughing against you.

Your thoughts are running wild again, thinking someone is laughing.

After speaking with many JW's and showed them your pages-none of them agree you even come close in knowing the word of God.

You are quick to make statements that cannot be verified, probably because it's a lie.

Many of them said you are a try hard without any knowledge-until you believe in any of the truth-all I can say is this.
{Matthew 10:14} And whoever shall not receive you, nor Hear your words, when you depart from Dolphinhearts page, shake the dust of your feet. {And of course run.}

You will do anything so as not to tell us about that that prophecy, what Isaiah said and why he said it.

Any time you quote me, and you edit my words, I will not respond, that's what I did for your previous posts before this one.
I will not go down to that debased level with you.

johnw74:

lie lie dolphinheart

These verses are clearly saying and referring to the Father as never been seen by man:

what the the scriptures say, did the verse say no one has seen the father at anytime? no
the scriptures was specific, it said no one has seen God at any time. It is now left for you to understand who God is. If you say God is the father, then you are right , jesus, the disciples and the scriptures in general say that God is the father, the father of jesus and our father who resides in the heavens.
King James Version
Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
King James Version
1Jo 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

The scriptures say no one has seen God AT ANY TIME, since people had seen jesus, it simply means that jesus is not God.

so who is God that people has not seen, he is the father, our father, the father of jesus Christ, our God, JEHOVAH
has anyone seen the father? no
has anyone seen JEHOVAH? no
has anyone seen God? no

1. To confirm that God is the father , examine what the scriptures say about who sent jesus to the earth
King James Version
1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins
The "he" underlined above is God, the he underlined above is the father!

[b]Joh 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him.
ing James Version
1Jo 4:14And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.[/color]

THE FOLLOWING ARE FACTS FROM THOSE SCRIPTURES ABOVE
A. God sent jesus: we know that no verses says God sent God, no verse says God sent himself, so we know that jesus is not God that sent him.

B. The father sent jesus: since we know that the scriptures say that God sent jesus and also say that the father sent jesus(the scriptures does not lie), the only reasonable thing to believe is that God is the father. no one else is God with him.
This believe aligns with the fact that no one has seen God, and no one has seen the father!

2. To confirm that God is JEHOVAH, The father we look at the following scriptures

Ex 33:20But he added: “You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.”
JEHOVAH says no one can see him and live, the scriptures say no one has seen God at any time, it also says no one has seen the father. A sincere mind will agree that JEHOVAH, the father, God are the same person.
JEHOVAH sent his servant who we know to be jesus, God sent his son who we know to be jesus , the father sent his son into the world, you read all this fact and our still don't know who God is.

who God is is cemented if you add other facts from the scriptures:
[b]2Pe 1:17 For he received from God the Father honor and glory when words such as these were conveyed to him by the magnificent glory: “This is my Son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
Col 1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
1Ti 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,[/b]

NO DERIVED ANALOGY CAN ALTER WHAT THIS SCRIPTURES TEACHES.

Referring to Father:
Joh 1:18  No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Good you know who God is, he is the father who no one has seen!

Clearly saying Father:
Joh 5:37  And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Another confirmation that God is the father, the God of jesus, our God, the almighty who no one has seen. He sent jesus as his representative, people saw and heard jesus.

Clearly saying Father:
Joh 6:46  Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

No one has seen the father , no one has seen God, no one has seen JEHOVAH, jesus does no fulfil any of the three, jesus is not JEHOVAH, not God and not the father.

Referring to Father:
1Ti 6:16  Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Referring to Father:
1Jn 4:12  No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

The father is our God, just as the the scriptures stated.

Because no man has seen or heard Father, this verse is obviously God the Word who appeared and spoke:

Exo_6:3  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

I will post what I told you earlier .

I will point out 3 reasons why you are totally wrong 
1. your statements contradict itself : You claim that the one those forefathers saw(which is wrong anyway) is Jesus, the word of God, if they saw Jesus, it means Jesus is not God, because no man has seen God at any time. If they saw Jesus, it means Jesus is not Jehovah cus Jehovah said no one can see him and live. 
so if you say Jesus is God, Jesus is Jehovah , then you are contradicting yourself.

2. Your statement contradicts the scriptures: The scriptures say no one has seen God , no one has seen the father, no one can see Jehovah and live. 
now you are trying to claim that Jesus is Jehovah, the God almighty talking to moses about his forefathers seeing him.
It is either the word "appeared" in ex 6:3 means the forefathers saw Jehovah and lived (which goes contrary to what Jehovah himself said ), or the word does not mean they saw Jehovah.
The first one contradicts the scriptures, while the second one proves your theory that Jesus is Jehovah to be false. I prefer the second one. 

3. You do not understand how Jehovah acts or passes info to mankind, but I will give you some some scriptures to understand if you can 
Ex 3:4When Jehovah saw that he went over to look, God called to him out of the thornbush and said: “Moses! Moses!” to which he said: “Here I am.”
Ac 7:35This same Moses whom they had disowned, saying: ‘Who appointed you ruler and judge?’ is the very one God sent as both ruler and deliverer by means of the angel who appeared to him in the thornbush

Ge 16:7-11Later Jehovah’s angel found her at a spring of waters in the wilderness, the spring on the way to Shur.
Ge 16:13Then she called on the name of Jehovah, who was speaking to her: “You are a God of sight,” for she said: “Have I here actually looked upon the one who sees me?”
read also genesis 22:1,11,12,15-18

God Almighty-Yahweh, is God, God and the Word is God, the above verse is obviously not Father, but is of course the Word of God.

one question (though I know your false believes will not allow you answer): 1.are you saying those forefathers saw almighty God.
2, are you saying they saw jesus.

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

The word cannot be with God and be the same God he was with.

Joh 10:30  I and my Father are one.

so will jesus disciples be one with jesus and the father, just as jesus is one with His father, it does not mean they will all be one God, or one person.
We know that the father is greater than jesus , and the head of jesus is God.

Joh 20:28  And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Thomas made an exclamation, if you think Thomas answered a question plus tell us the question.

Thomas, like the rest of the disciples know who jesus is:
King James Version
Mt 16:15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
King James Version
Mt 16:16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God
King James Version
Joh 11:27She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

the disciples know who their God is
King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

THIS FACTS ABOVE IS WHAT THEY EMPHASISED, PREACHED AND TEACHED THROUGHOUT THEIR LIFE'S.

Isa 7:14  Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel(God with us).

yep, his name is Immanuel, Immanuel means God with us, it does not mean the person bearing that name is God, just like it does not mean that the person bearing eliathah or elihu is God.

Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

yes, jesus is a mighty god, but he is not almighty God. The scriptures shows he has a God who is superior to him, who is called God almighty , who he is subjected to.

Php 2:6  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Php 2:6who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.
jesus, unlike you, and even though existing in God's form, did not think of being equal to God, he knew that God is superior to him and he remained humble, this is what the apostle was teaching us. The scriptures teaches us that jesus remain subjected to God who made him his heir and exalted him.

Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 
Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

hope you read verse 10 which shows that the person talking in verse 8 and 9 is God to jesus, a superior God. who jesus is subjected to , who jesus calls my God

In those two verses Father calls Jesus God twice, but because Father also said that He is the God of Jesus,
false jw say that Jesus cannot be God. And so false jw because they have no understanding of things of the Spirit, as good as call Father God a liar

I once taught you how to understand that verse
John is a manager
Peter is a manager
John is manager to Peter despite Peter being a manager
Peter is not equal manager to John
Peter is not John's manager
John can call Peter manager but not my manager
Peter can call John manager and my manager.

 

and all you can do antichrist dolphinheart is change-twist-lie about what the scriptures clearly say.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

so try and make sure you get into the book of life.

brocab:
I find you quite strange at times Dolphinheart, listen I do realise you don't read the scriptures, as much as you would like too, but there has to be a fine line somewhere between us, about your silly demands.
Where else do the prophets retrieve Prophesies such as these from, the Lord speaks through the prophets, These are signs and wonders God had given to His people to spread the good news around the neighbourhood.
Everything lined up about the coming of Jesus in the Old Testament-and everything in the New Testament lines up about Jesus once more.

brocab, tell us about the prophecy of Isaiah
what was the background to the prophecy?
what caused isaiah to give that prophecy?
who was isaiah directing the prophecy to?
was the prophecy fulfilled in Isaiahs time?

though I know you will not answer those questions, but I know others will examine them and come to a better knowledge about that prophecy and it's fulfillment.

brocab:
There is only one bible that has Jehovah's name written all through it, that is your bible. But if you are looking for answers in the 1611-you won't find any, Iehovah is the correct English spelling in this bible. ""J" isn't used in the 1611 English version.
The KJV says Iehovah in the 1611 {Psalms 83:18}

does your bible use the word "jehovah"?
does your bible defend the use of the word Jehovah?
If your bible uses that word when translating YHWH(the tetragamaton), then it is 100% hipocrisy to accuse other translations of doing the same, no matter how many times they did it!

Please tell , Iehovah is the correct English spelling of what?. You yourself see how you continue to use your own words to expose yourself, if Iehovah is the correct English spelling of the name of God, WHY ARE YOU NOT USING IT!?

If one follows your word, one will never find the truth, you are always contradicting yourself , below is what you said about jehovah and the 1611 kjv
brocab: 12:44am On Dec 23, 2016
: A small dose of Jehovah was used not only in the KJV 1611-but it was also used in the Spanish Valera in 1602-The portugese ALMEIDA version of 1681-And German ELBERFELDER in 1871-And the American Standard version in 1901-But it appears that the Jerusalem Bible was the first one to use "YAHWEH" Instead of Lord and Jehovah. They didn't dare to take His name in vain {Deuteronomy 5:11} You shall not take the Lord your God the name in vain, for the Lord will hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain......

I asked you a question about the 1611 kjv bible you still refuse to answer :

did not tell you to answer Luke 1:31 , look at what I asked you to do below: 
"Go and read the 1611 edition of the KJV, post what luke 1: 31 says there, tell us how that translation spelt the name of the son of God in that verse and why you , a defender of that 1611 translation do not spell the name in that manner!

{Isaiah 42:8 } in the 1611 version, "says I am the Lord.
{Jeremiah 23:5} No Jehovah or Iehovah in the 1611 version.
{Jeremiah 33:15-16} No Jehovah or Iehovah written in the 1611 The Lord our righteousness

You are funny, you yourself know that the translation had replaced or substituted God's name (the tetragamaton) with a title when translating it in most parts of the bible. or have your forgotten what you said about that title? Look at it again:
 brocab: 2:31pm On Dec 21, 2016
[b] The more common noun "ELOHIM" meaning "God" tenders to replace "YAHWEH" to demonstrate the universality sovereignty of Israels "God" all over the others.
At the same time the Divine name was increasingly regarded as to sacred to be uttered, it was thus [upreplaced[/u] vocally in the synagogue ritual by the Hebrew word"ADONAI" {MY LORD} Which was translated to "KYNOS" {LORD} in the septuagint, the Greek work of the Old Testament.
The Masoretes, who about from the 8th to the 10th century. worked to reproduce the original text of the Hebrew bible, replaced the vowels of the name 'YHWH"with the vowel signs of the Hebrew word "ADONAI" {Lord editor} Or "ELOHIM" {God editor} {Thus the artificial name Jehovah} "YeHoWaH"{Emphasis ours,ed}Come in to being. Although Christian Scholars after the renaissance and the reformation periods used the term Jehovah for "YHWH" In the 19th and 20th centuries biblical scholars again began to use the form "YAHWEH" Early Christian writers, such as Clement of Alexandria in the second century, had used a form like "YAHWEH" and this pronunciation of the Telragrammation was never really lost.
Other Greek transcription also indicated that "YHWH" should be pronounced "YAHWEH"[/b]

You where desperately trying to find fault with the use of jehovah as God's name, you did not realise that you exposed yourself further, now you re defending the word"Lord" after previously admiring that it is a replacement.

you did not only make that claim, you also said the word "Lord" Is a substitute of God's name, the original name of God written down thousands of times by his faithful servants in the scriptures.
 brocab: 1:49am On Dec 27, 2016
What happened was the Jews piously substituted for the name "Y-H-V-H" The title "Ad-on-ai" "My Lord".
you speak from two sides of your mouth, please tell us ones more, is the word "Lord" God's name or a word used to replace, to substitute God's name"?

IF YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, IT SHOWS HOW DEEP IN FALSEHOOD YOU ARE!

[Dolphinheart> HOW CAN YOU READ ALL THIS PROPHECIES FROM JEHOVAH AND SAY JEHOVAH IS THE ROOT OF DAVID.
There are even more prophecies about jesus in which jehovah called jesus his servant!]

Good, go and read then and accept that jesus is a servant of jehovah, one who always does Jehovah's will!

Firstly I have never said Jehovah is the root of David? To be honest I thought Jehovah was supposed to be God-so how can you say He's the root of David.

1. Please point out where I said you said jehovah is the root of David.
moreover, if jehovah is not the root of David and the scriptures said jesus is the root of David, it means jesus is not jehovah get it!?
2. You need to show where I said jehovah is the root of David, you liar!
3. If jehovah is supposed to be God and can't be God if he is the root of David, you are innavently confirmed that the root of David cannot be God!

Unless you believe God is Jesus incarnated..

no I don't believe

{Isaiah 11:1-3, 53:2} I can't find the Jehovah nor Iehovah written in the 1611 version.
{Revelation 5:5, 22:16} Nothing in the 1611 is written Jehovah or Iehovah.
I really don't know, in what way are you trying to prove your point

quote what those translations say in that verse, then go check the manuscripts to see if they are correct. After doing that, you will (1)understand my points and (2)see the words that where substituted!

[Dolphinheart The questions one needs to ask you is . where did the scripture say Abraham built an image.?
even if God's name is not jehovah, would that make it right for Abraham to build and image for worship?
did Abraham build an image for worship?]

I asked you those questions, but you refuse to answer.

I wish you would make up your mind? Is God's name Jehovah or not

Your question will be only relevant if I've ever given you more than one name as God's name.
The scriptures and I say that God's name is jehovah(In english).

Firstly you ask me where Abram built an Alter, and I gave you the scripture {Genesis 13:4 and now I am adding Genesis 22:14}
And with a slight twist, and a little trickery, you are now asking me where "Abraham built an image?

I DO HOPE FOR THE DAY YOU WILL STOP LYING
 On Dec 27, 2016, I asked you about the image.
The questions one needs to ask you is 
. where did the scripture say Abraham built an image.?
even if God's name is not jehovah, would that make it right for Abraham to build and image for worship?
did Abraham build an image for worship?

now please show me where I asked you about the alter that Abraham built before that date, if you refuse to do so, it shows you are a lair!

up till today, you still refuse to answer the question.

Abram built an Alter-naming it Jehovahjireh.

go back and read the scriptures again. Abram did not name the alter Jehovahjireh, he named the place where he sacrificed the ram, not the altar.
With the scriptures you mentioned, it is seen that neither the altar or the place was named "jehovah" , jehovah and jehovahjireh are two different words, with different meaning. furthermore you are expanding the use of the word "jehovah" as part of other Hebrew words more and more, yet you claim the word is not correct.

But really Dolphinheart-all you need to do is read the bible yourself-no-one is interested in your trick questions.
Every Image that's made are some sort of Structure-are we not made in the image of God.

You could not answer simple questions cus it exposes you. calling it trick questions.

You ask did Abraham use this place of worship-I think you should be reading your bible and see it for yourself-if Abraham had built an image.

stop lying brocab, the question was : did Abraham build an image for worship?, let's hope you will answer!

johnw74:
^^^ reply to above posts


lie lie dolphinheart


ha ha all that mostly repeated confusion
read your post again and see all the confusion, twisting-lying there, if that's possible for the blinded

such confusion comes from constant twisting-lying

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.



I will again simply put my case, see if you can simply-honestly reply, instead of your usual many many words of confusion and lies
the reason you use many many confused words is because you don't have a true reply

Ecc 5:3  For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

Pro 15:2  The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness. 

Pro_26:11  As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
^^^
returns to his folly, you do that all the time lie lie, definitely talking of you




No man has seen or heard Father:

Referring to Father:
Joh 1:18  No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Joh 5:37  And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 

Joh 6:46  Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Referring to Father:
1Ti 6:16  Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Referring to Father:
1Jn 4:12  No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

You read those verses and still refuse to understand what it tells you because it does not support your false doctrine look at the facts in those verses you posted and the verses below
1. No one has seen God at any time- John 1:18
fact: people saw jesus, no one has seen the father.
The father is God who no one has seen.

2. The Father sent jesus, the father borne witness of jesus. Referring to the people he was talking to , they have not heard or seen the shape of the father - John 5:37
Fact: A. The father sent jesus, the scriptures Below say God sent jesus, this is more fact to show that the father is the God that sent jesus. jesus is not God that sent jesus.
1Jo 4:10The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.
Ga 4:4But when the full limit of the time arrived, God sent his Son, who was born of a woman and who was under law,

If the scriptures tell you that the father sent jesus, jesus could tell you that his father sent him, the scriptures could tell you that God sent him, and yet you could not Decipher that the father is God that sent jesus, then falsehood had taken a firm grip of you.

Even if you do not believe those facts in (A), other facts were added for you to see.
Fact (B) father boure witness of jesus.
Mt 3:17Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”
Lu 9:35Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying: “This is my Son, the one who has been chosen. Listen to him.”
2Pe 1:17For he received from God the Father honor and glory when words such as these were conveyed to him by the magnificent glory: “This is my Son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved

I'll also advise you to go study the prophecies about jesus said by Jehovah.
Ps 2:7Let me proclaim the decree of Jehovah; He said to me: “You are my son; Today I have become your father.
Ps 2:7Let me proclaim the decree of Jehovah; He said to me: “You are my son; Today I have become your father.
Isa 42:1 Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.

Because no man has seen or heard Father, this is God the Word:

Exo_6:3  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

I will point out 3 reasons why you are totally wrong
1. your statements contradict itself : You claim that the one those forefathers saw(which is wrong anyway) is jesus, the word of God, if they saw jesus, it means jesus is not God, because no man has seen God at any time. If they saw jesus, it means jesus is not Jehovah cus Jehovah said no one can see him and live.
so if you say jesus is God, jesus is Jehovah , then you are contradicting yourself.

2. Your statement contradicts the scriptures: The scriptures say no one has seen God , no one has seen the father, no one can see Jehovah and live.
now you are trying to claim that jesus is Jehovah, the God almighty talking to moses about his forefathers seeing him.
It is either the word "appeared" in ex 6:3 means the forefathers saw Jehovah and lived (which goes contrary to what Jehovah himself said ), or the word does not mean they saw Jehovah.
The first one contradicts the scriptures, while the second one proves your theory that jesus is Jehovah to be false. I prefer the second one.

3. You do not understand how Jehovah acts or passes info to mankind, but I will give you some some scriptures to understand if you can
Ex 3:4When Jehovah saw that he went over to look, God called to him out of the thornbush and said: “Moses! Moses!” to which he said: “Here I am.”
Ac 7:35This same Moses whom they had disowned, saying: ‘Who appointed you ruler and judge?’ is the very one God sent as both ruler and deliverer by means of the angel who appeared to him in the thornbush

Ge 16:7-11Later Jehovah’s angel found her at a spring of waters in the wilderness, the spring on the way to Shur.
Ge 16:13Then she called on the name of Jehovah, who was speaking to her: “You are a God of sight,” for she said: “Have I here actually looked upon the one who sees me?”
read also genesis 22:1,11,12,15-18

God Almighty-Yahweh is God, God and the Word is God, God and the Word is God Almighty-Yahweh

The fact that you tried to claim that people saw jesus shows he is not God or Jehovah that no one can see.

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

The word cannot be with God and be the same God he was with!


The scriptures and jesus himself identifies who our God is, the one no one can see, the father , Jehovah, who he and his disciples pray to.
[b]Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.
Joh 16:28 I came as the Father’s representative and have come into the world. Now I am leaving the world and am going to the Father.”
1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
Col 1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

YOU READ THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE AND YOU FAILED TO REALISE THAT GOD IS THE FATHER, THE FATHER OF Jesus, THAT THE FATHER IS JEHOVAH WHO NO ONE HAS SEEN OR CAN SEE AND LIVE!. THAT IT IS GOD THAT SENT HIS SON AS HIS REPRESENTATIVE, GOD BEING THE FATHER AND THE SON BEING Jesus, HIS SERVANT.

We also know that since jesus sits at the right hand of God, the father, jehovah, the most high God, God almighty , he cannot be the same person as the one he sits besides:
Ps 110:1 Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
Eph 1:20which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,
Heb 12:2as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

johnw74:


antichrist dolphinheart

You don't reply to many of my posts because many of your replies are just repeated twisting-lies and confusion etc. etc.
if you wasn't so un ashameable you wouldnt post at all, ever

if you learn how to be truthful , not editing my post when replying, I will respond.
you say I repeat things , well the truth cannot change no matter the angle you attack it from, the scriptures and explanation I gave will not change, as long as you challenge them, I'll only have to show them to you again.

achorladey:

It baffles me many times when response are giving to question asked and the individual asking the question can't think deep enough to decipher that the answer requested had been supplied. Isn't it simple enough. You see God = Death. Yet some believe some saw God and live. Perhaps God is the liar here.

the guy was just being mischievous, unless he is not a christian, he should not have asked those questions, trying to claim the scriptures said two opposite and different things concerning seeing God.
Some might come up with false clame that God changed and allowed humans to see him, forgetting that the scriptures says that no one has seen God at anytime.

DoctorAlien:


Why are you charging me with the crime of making the Scripture appear to be lying? Have you no answer for my question?

If you don't have any answer for now, you can go and think about it.

you are trying to claim the scriptures is lying when you tried to say it said two different and opposite things.
If you believe the question you are asking, then you believe that the scriptures is lying
if you don't believe the question you are asking, then you created the question just to cause mischief.

DoctorAlien:
dolphinheart,

The Bible says no man has seen GOD at any time. Exod. 24:10 says the leaders of Israel saw the GOD of Israel. Who did they see?

are you trying to say that the scriptures is lying? If not then why are you asking such questions?
its either one sees believes no man has seen God or man has seen God, you cannot have both!
So if you accept that it's true that no man has seen God at anytime, then the leaders of isreal did not see God, they did not see Jehovah and live!

Johnw74, I know you are making several posts mentioning my moniker, but as long as you do so while editing my posts, I will not respond to you, if I'm to respond, I'll just probably show you the parts of my post you removed.
I'll not bring myself to that level.

FULL TEXT OF MY POST BEFORE IT WAS HEAVELY ERASED
"read verse one and see who gave Jesus the revelation

Re 1:1 A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John,

it was the one who is who was and who is to come that is talking
John never added "the almighty" to that verse, it was the one who is who was and who is to come that is talking in that verse, Jesus cannot be that person inasmuch as Jesus cannot be the seven spirits.
This is what Rev 1: 8 says:
[b]New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."
English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
New American Standard Bible 
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
Holman Christian Standard Bible
I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "the One who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty." 
International Standard Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," declares the Lord God, "the one who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty."
NET Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God--the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come--the All-Powerful! 
New Heart English Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
I am The Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty.
Darby Bible Translation
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith [the] Lord God, he who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.
English Revised Version
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, which is and which was and which is to come, the Almighty.[/b]

Before john turned behind him, this was the words he heard:

Revelation 1:11 ►

New International Version
which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

New Living Translation
It said, "Write in a book everything you see, and send it to the seven churches in the cities of Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

English Standard Version
saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

Berean Study Bible
saying, "Write in a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

Berean Literal Bible
saying, "What you see, write in a book and send to the seven churches: to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamum, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

New American Standard Bible 
saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."

Holman Christian Standard Bible
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea." 

International Standard Version
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

NET Bible
saying: "Write in a book what you see and send it to the seven churches--to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea." 

New Heart English Bible
saying, "What you see, write on a scroll and send to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Which said, “Those things which you have seen, write in a book and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesaus, to Zmurna, to Pergamaus, to Thawatyra, to Sardis, to Philadelphia and to Laidiqia.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

New American Standard 1977 
saying, “Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

American Standard Version
saying, What thou seest, write in a book and send it to the seven churches: unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamum, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Saying: What thou seest, write in a book, and send to the seven churches which are in Asia, to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamus, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea. 

Darby Bible Translation
saying, What thou seest write in a book, and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and t

Weymouth New Testament
It said, "Write forthwith in a roll an account of what you see, and send it to the seven Churches--to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyateira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

World English Bible
saying, "What you see, write in a book and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

The words "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:" has been discovered to be later additions to those verses by proponents of the false doctrine of trinity 

good for you to realise that John did not say he saw God, John saw Jesus, no man can see God and live.


Good for you to read that Jesus said he was dead, God can never die!

different personalities spoke in revelation chapter 22 

The title Alpha and Omega occurs at Revelation 21:6, and the following verse identifies the speaker by saying: “Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.” Inasmuch as Jesus referred to those who are joint heirs with him in his Kingdom as “brothers,” not “sons,” the speaker must be Jesus’ heavenly Father, Jehovah God.—Mt 25:40; compare Heb 2:10-12.

The final occurrence of the title is at Revelation 22:13, which states: “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” It is evident that a number of persons are represented as speaking in this chapter of Revelation.
Verses 8 and 9 show that the angel spoke to John.
Verse 16 obviously applies to Jesus.
The first part of verse 17 is credited to “the spirit and the bride,”
The one speaking in the latter part of verse 20 is manifestly John himself. 
“The Alpha and the Omega” of verses 12-15, therefore, may properly be identified as the same one who bears the title in the other two occurrences: Jehovah God.
The expression, “Look! I am coming quickly,” in verse 12, does not require that these aforementioned verses apply to Jesus, inasmuch as God also speaks of himself as “coming” to execute judgment. (Compare Isa 26:21.) Malachi 3:1-6 speaks of a joint coming for judgment on the part of Jehovah and his “messenger of the covenant.”(at least you must have read about the new covenant Jesus gave and how he acted as a messenger for God)

johnw74:


To be accurate no man can see Father and live, as verses below show.

unfortunately for you, the verse did not say father, look below:
we all know it is Jehovah talking here :
Ex 33:20But he added: “You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.”

People saw Jesus and lived, no one can see Jehovah and live, one more evidence to show that Jesus is not Jehovah.

good that you can admit that no man can see Father and live, or can you?

read slowly what I said :

good for you to realise that John did not say he saw God, John saw Jesus, no man can see God and live
don't try to give my statements different wordings. I used "God" the way the scriptures used it, so that we can identify who God is.

so can you now admit that it is the Word of God who is speaking in these verses and who appeared to Abraham and Isaac and Jacob, and whose name is God Almighty, Yahweh
can you now admit that it is the Word of God and not the Father speaking and who appeared?

NO! I cannot admit to false teachings. The one who appeared to abraham and Jacob is Almighty God, whose name is Jehovah.
Ex 6:2Then God said to Moses: “I am Jehovah
Ex 6:3And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them.[/quote]

Jehovah is Almighty God, Jehovah alone is also the most high
[b]Ps 83:18May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, [color=blue]You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

Exo_6:3  And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of [b]God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

We know that Jesus is not the most high, the scriptures say he is the " son of the most high"

we all know that jehovah is almighty God and most high, we also know that jesus sits at the right hand of God, who is most high, almighty God, majesty on high. This knowledge helps us to understand this verses below .
Ps 110:1 Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
Ro 8:34Who will condemn them? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, more than that the one who was raised up, who is at the right hand of God and who also pleads for us.
Eph 1:20which he exercised toward Christ when he raised him up from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,
Heb 12:2as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Referring to Father:
Joh 1:18  [b]No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

As you yourself has seen, the father is God and not Jesus. no wonder Jesus could say this
[b]Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.
Joh 16:28 I came as the Father’s representative and have come into the world. Now I am leaving the world and am going to the Father.”

No wonder the disciples could say this :
1Co 11:3But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.
Eph 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory,[/blue] may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
Col 1:3 [color=blue]We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

YOU READ THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE AND YOU FAILED TO REALISE THAT GOD IS THE FATHER, THE FATHER OF JESUS, THAT THE FATHER IS JEHOVAH WHO NO ONE HAS SEEN OR CAN SEE AND LIVE!. THAT IT IS GOD THAT SENT HIS SON AS HIS REPRESENTATIVE, GOD BEING THE FATHER AND THE SON BEING JESUS, HIS SERVANT.

you refuse this straight forward verses only to follow verses which you had alter or propose derived analogy about so as to arrive at a false doctrine.

Joh 6:46Not that any man has seen the Father, except the one who is from God; this one has seen the Father.

can the one who is from God be the same God as the one who he is from?

Joh 5:37  And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

You just indicated that the father sent Jesus, the scriptures indicated that God sent Jesus and you can't put two and two together!

Joh 6:46  Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Referring to Father:
1Ti 6:16  Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Referring to Father:
1Jn 4:12  No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

no one can see Jehovah and live, no one has seen the father, no one has seen God at anytime, yet you could not decipher that this is referring to the same person , that the father is Jehovah that the father is God almighty, that the father is greater that Jesus, that the father is the most high God.

You could not decipher that Jesus was seen and heard, Jesus was sent by the father, Jesus was sent by God, Jesus called the father his God. You could not use this info ton realise that Jesus is not the father, Jesus is not God almighty, Jesus is subjected to God, Jesus does his father's will, Jesus is not Jehovah.

No man has ever seen the Father, yet God appeared to men, it was God the Word that became the Lord Jesus Christ who spoke and appeared to men.
Yahweh of the old Testament is the Word of God-the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

no one can see Jehovah, no one can see God, no one has seen God, no one can see Jehovah and yet live. This facts can be found in the scriptures.
If Jesus is God and Jesus is Jehovah, thenot it means that those scriptures are lying. but since we know that Jesus is not God who sent hime to earth, that Jesus is not the father who sent him as his representative, and that Jesus is not Jehovah who prophesied about him as his servant, then those verses are telling us the truth

johnw74:


antichrist dolphinheart

of course just the same old repeated lies and confusion over and over again
denying the lord Jesus Christ and the Bible.

whenever I tell you something, I usually quote the scriptures to support what I say

I don't have a problem with Bible translations other than the NWT
but you do and you pit translations against translations, particularly against the KJV Bible, such is the evil of satans church

then you should have no problem believing the translations I quoted who had removed the false words added by the false scribes to support the false trinity doctrine.

I do not pit translations against translations, if the translations are the same, then their can be no pitting, but if they are differentering, then their is something wrong, a sincere person will search for what is wrong and get to know which one is true and which one is false, it is clear that both different translations cannot be true.

Where God is speaking in revelation, it is the Word Jesus Christ, plain as day,
but you lie lie dolphinheart choose darkness

Good that you now admit that God spoke in the book of revelation.
The one who is who was and who is to come is almighty God, jesus is not that one.
God gave the revelation to jesus , jesus is not God who gave the revelation to jesus.
In revelation, jesus has a God he calls my God, almighty God does not have a God superior to him.

This of course is Jesus again speaking in revelation, to you
Truly this is the record of the word of God, and the testimony of Jesus Christ, to you lie lie dolphinheart:

Good you stated those 2 sources.

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Good, so stop doing those things!

brocab:
I just told you God had showing me His name in the word of God-it's ether God the Father or Jesus-these two names are His name.

continue, I'll rather follow the words of the psalmist
Ps 83:18 May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

And to God himself
Isa 42:8 I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images.

Obviously you are blinded by the light, I have answered {Luke 1:31} followed by {Matthew 1:23} correctly.

YOU CAN LIE!!
I did not tell you to answer Luke 1:31 , look at what I asked you to do below:
"Go and read the 1611 edition of the KJV, post what luke 1: 31 says here, tell us how that translation spelt the name of the son of God in that verse and why you , a defender of that 1611 translation do not spell the name in that manner!

But you haven't given me any extermination that concerns these scriptures, I am still waiting for your answer that you have refused to do,

I do not wish to give you any extermination.

And because of your denial to answer as such, I call you out to be a false prophet and a lair of the Word.

show me the question you asked that I did not answer.

{Isaiah 9:6, which follows with Matthew 1:23, and of course follows up with Luke 1:31-34}

Are you saying I've never talked about these verses?

Firstly before I start, please try and corrupt my page, just the same as you always do Dolphinheart having great pride amongst your own-twist the Word Of God against itself-and make up words as you read with the times.

in what way do I currupt your page, do you have a page?

In the prophecy of the virgin birth {Isaiah 7:14} the prophet Isaiah declared "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign, The Virgin will be with child, and will give birth to a Son, and will call Him Immanuel" This prophecy refers to the birth of Jesus

you have not read the prophecy, go and read it again, you are just stating the sign associated with the prophesy, go and read all that Isaiah told the king. not just one verse.

{Matthew 1:22-23} And all this took place because of the Word, the Lord said to the prophet.

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The Virgin will be with Child and give birth to a Son, and they will call Him Immanuel, which means God with us.
"This does not mean, however, that the Messiah's name would actually be Immanuel.

But the scriptures say he will be called by the name Immanuel, so are you now saying no one is called by that name?

Their are many names given to Jesus using this phase, "He shall be called, both in the Old and New Testament.
This was a common way of saying that people would refer to Him in these various ways.
Isaiah prophesied of the Messiah, His name should be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of peace {Isaiah 9:6}

Good, do you also know other prophecies of Jesus by isaiah, Jehovah called Jesus his servant, he will guide and approve him, he will exalt him.

None of these titles were Jesus actual name, but these were descriptions people would use to refer to Him forever.
{Luke 1:32} tells us Jesus shall be called the Son of the highest {Luke 1:35} and the Son of God, but neither of these was His name.
Two different places the prophet Jeremiah say's in referring to the coming Messiah "And this is His Name, by which He shall be called "YHWH" our righteousness {Jeremiah 23:5-6, 33:15-16} now we know that God the Father is named Yahweh, Jesus was never actually called Yahweh as through it was His name, but His role was that of bringing the righteousness of Yahweh to those who would believe in Him, exchanging that righteousness for our sin {2 Corinthians 5:21} Therefore this is one of the many titles or names which belong to Him.

Your falsehood becomes more evident every time you mention the scriptures let's look at the verses you mentioned

1.jer 23:5“Look! The days are coming,” declares Jehovah, “when I will raise up to David a righteous sprout. And a king will reign and show insight and uphold justice and righteousness in the land.

brocab, look at what the verse says, Jehovah is saying he will raise up to David a root. A person with a sincere mind will realise that Jehovah, who is talking their is not the root that will be raised. It is clearly evident that Jehovah is talking about about someone else, not himself. This fact is surported by the following scriptures below:
Isa 11:1A twig will grow out of the stump of Jesʹse, And a sprout from his roots will bear fruit.
Isa 53:2 He will come up like a twig before him, like a root out of parched land. No stately form does he have, nor any splendor; And when we see him, his appearance does not draw us to him.
Jer 33:15, 16 In those days and at that time I will cause to sprout for David a righteous sprout, and he will execute justice and righteousness in the land.16In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will reside in security. And this is what she will be called: Jehovah Is Our Righteousness.’”
Zec 3:8“‘Hear, please, O High Priest Joshua, you and your companions who sit before you, for these men serve as a sign; look! I am bringing in my servant Sprout!

HOW CAN YOU READ ALL THIS PROPHECIES FROM JEHOVAH AND SAY JEHOVAH IS THE ROOT OF DAVID.
There are even more prophecies about jesus in which jehovah called jesus his servant!

The issue of kingship is mentioned in that verse, let's look at what the KJV says about that
King James Version
Lu 1:32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Brocab, whichever name you call the Lord God, watever the argument is about the name, it is cLear that the "Lord God " who will give jesus the throne of his father David is not the same person as jesus!, therefore jesus is not the Lord God.


look again at another part of that verse which talks about upholding justice and righteousness in the land. If we examine the prophecies of isaiah, we will see that jehovah cannot be the root of jesse, the root of David.
Isa 11:1A twig will grow out of the stump of Jesʹse, And a sprout from his roots will bear fruit.
Isa 11:2And the spirit of Jehovah will settle upon him, The spirit of wisdom and of understanding, The spirit of counsel and of mightiness, The spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.
Isa 11:3And he will find delight in the fear of Jehovah. He will not judge by what appears to his eyes, Nor reprove simply according to what his ears hear.
read also
Isa 53:2
Re 5:5
Re 22:16

did jesus fufill this prophecies? Yes!
JEHOVAH'S SPIRIT SETTLE UPON JESUS
[b]Isa 42:1 Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.
Joh 1:32John also bore witness, saying: “I viewed the spirit coming down as a dove out of heaven, and it remained upon him.
Ac 10:38about Jesus who was from Nazʹa·reth, how God anointed him with holy spirit and power,and he went through the land doing good and healing all those oppressed by the Devil, because God was with him.

HE FINDS DELIGHT IN THE FEAR OF JEHOVAH
Heb 5:7 During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear.

JESUS IS THE ROOT
[b]Re 22:16“‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright morning star.’
BROCAB, YOU READ ALL THIS VERSES AND YOU STILL HAVE A CONSCIENCE TO SAY JESUS IS JEHOVAH?


2. Jer 23:6In his days Judah will be saved, and Israel will reside in security. And this is the name by which he will be called: Jehovah Is Our Righteousness.”

if you read the scriptures, you would have understood why he was called "jehovah is our righteouness".
Isa 54:17No weapon formed against you will have any success, And you will condemn any tongue that rises up against you in the judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of Jehovah, And their righteousness is from me,” declares Jehovah.

A further understanding comes when we examine it's use in jer 33: 14-16
[b]Jer 33:14 “‘Look! The days are coming,’ declares Jehovah, ‘when I will fulfill the good promise that I have spoken concerning the house of Israel and the house of Judah
Jer 33:15 In those days and at that time I will cause to sprout for David a righteous sprout, and he will execute justice and righteousness in the land.
Jer 33:16In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will reside in security. And this is what she will be called: Jehovah Is Our Righteousness.’”
hope you can see that "jehovah is our righteousness" Is not the name of any person. There is a reason a person or place bears that title!


jesus was not called yahweh/jehovah because he is not yahweh/jehovah, it's as simple as that. jesus brought people to the the almighty God who is Yahweh/jehovah and not to himself , he is the way to God, his father, jehovah , almighty God.

In the same way to say Jesus will be called "Immanuel" means Jesus is God, and that He Had dwelt among us in His incarnation and that He is always with us, Jesus was God in the flesh.

The underlined is false.

Jesus was God making His dwelling among us {John 1:1, 14} 'No Jesus was not Immanuel" But Jesus was the meaning of Immanuel. "God with us" Immanuel is one of the given names for Jesus a description of who He is...

Jesus was a god, a mighty god, but he became flesh and dwelled with mankind. He was a man when was on earth. If jesus was God while he was on earth, it would have proven Satan to be right, that no perfect man can serve God till death. because jesus will be more than a perfect man.

Immanuel" is a name given so we know when the Prophet Isaiah prophesied and calling Him "Immanuel" he is referring to Jesus..

Go and read the whole prophecy of Isaiah, not just the sign.

you responded go my post, but you refuse to answer the questions asked :
" go and read the 1611 edition of the KJV, post what luke 1: 31 says here, tell us how that translation spelt the name of the son of God in that verse and why you , a defender of that 1611 translation do not spell the name in that manner!

your refusal to quote that verse from the 1611 version and explain why you don't spell the name in like manner will show how deep into falsehood you really are!"

YOU HAVE REFUSED TO DO SO, YOU AGAIN SHOW DEEP IN FALSEHOOD YOU ARE ANYTIME YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER CUS YOU KNOW IT EXPOSES YOU.

The questions one needs to ask you is 
. where did the scripture say Abraham built an image.?
even if God's name is not jehovah, would that make it right for Abraham to build and image for worship?
did Abraham build an image for worship?

johnw74:



lie lie dolphinheart

of course the same repeated twisting-lies much confusion false accusations and denying the Lord and saviour Jesus Christ etc. etc.


Revelation is the testimony of Jesus Christ, not Father God:
Rev 1:2  Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Chris, and of all things that he saw.

read verse one and see who gave Jesus the revelation

Re 1:1 A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John,

Jesus testified:
Rev 1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending
John added:
the Almighty

it was the one who is who was and who is to come that is talking
John never added "the almighty" to that verse, it was the one who is who was and who is to come that is talking in that verse, Jesus cannot be that person inasmuch as Jesus cannot be the seven spirits.
This is what Rev 1: 8 says:
[b]New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."
English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
New American Standard Bible 
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
Holman Christian Standard Bible
I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "the One who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty." 
International Standard Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," declares the Lord God, "the one who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty."
NET Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God--the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come--the All-Powerful! 
New Heart English Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
I am The Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty.
Darby Bible Translation
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith [the] Lord God, he who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.
English Revised Version
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, which is and which was and which is to come, the Almighty.[/b]

John heard a voice behing him saying:
Rev 1:11 I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Before john turned behind him, this was the words he heard:

Revelation 1:11 ►

New International Version
which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

New Living Translation
It said, "Write in a book everything you see, and send it to the seven churches in the cities of Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

English Standard Version
saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

Berean Study Bible
saying, "Write in a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

Berean Literal Bible
saying, "What you see, write in a book and send to the seven churches: to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamum, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

New American Standard Bible 
saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."

Holman Christian Standard Bible
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea." 

International Standard Version
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

NET Bible
saying: "Write in a book what you see and send it to the seven churches--to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea." 

New Heart English Bible
saying, "What you see, write on a scroll and send to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Which said, “Those things which you have seen, write in a book and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesaus, to Zmurna, to Pergamaus, to Thawatyra, to Sardis, to Philadelphia and to Laidiqia.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

New American Standard 1977 
saying, “Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

American Standard Version
saying, What thou seest, write in a book and send it to the seven churches: unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamum, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Saying: What thou seest, write in a book, and send to the seven churches which are in Asia, to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamus, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea. 

Darby Bible Translation
saying, What thou seest write in a book, and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and t

Weymouth New Testament
It said, "Write forthwith in a roll an account of what you see, and send it to the seven Churches--to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyateira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

World English Bible
saying, "What you see, write in a book and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

The words "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:" has been discovered to be later additions to those verses by proponents of the false doctrine of trinity 

John turned to see who was speaking and saw one like the Som of man:
Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man

good for you to realise that John did not say he saw God, John saw Jesus, no man can see God and live.

Jesus said:
Fear not; I am the first and the last: 
Rev 1:18  I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. 
Rev 1:19  Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; 
Rev 1:20  The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Good for you to read that Jesus said he was dead, God can never die!

Jesus speaking:
Rev 22:7  Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Rev 22:12  And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 
Rev 22:13  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 

Rev 22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Rev 22:20  He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. 


Jesus Himself made it clear more than once that it is He the Alpha and Omega that is talking, but you antichrist dolphinheart
say those Alpha and Omega verses are Jesus, but the Rev 1:8 Alpha and Omega verse is Yahweh.
That's ridiculous, especially with John saying that Revelation is the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Even if all the Alpha and Omega verses were Jesus talking except for the Alpha Omega verse 8 being Yahweh
then that would show that Yahweh the alpha and Omega is Jesus the Alpha and Omega,
so either way your lies fail you.


You way heap big lie lie antichrist dolphinheart.
 

different personalities spoke in revelation chapter 22 

The title Alpha and Omega occurs at Revelation 21:6, and the following verse identifies the speaker by saying: “Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.” Inasmuch as Jesus referred to those who are joint heirs with him in his Kingdom as “brothers,” not “sons,” the speaker must be Jesus’ heavenly Father, Jehovah God.—Mt 25:40; compare Heb 2:10-12.

The final occurrence of the title is at Revelation 22:13, which states: “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” It is evident that a number of persons are represented as speaking in this chapter of Revelation.
Verses 8 and 9 show that the angel spoke to John.
Verse 16 obviously applies to Jesus.
The first part of verse 17 is credited to “the spirit and the bride,”
The one speaking in the latter part of verse 20 is manifestly John himself. 
“The Alpha and the Omega” of verses 12-15, therefore, may properly be identified as the same one who bears the title in the other two occurrences: Jehovah God.
The expression, “Look! I am coming quickly,” in verse 12, does not require that these aforementioned verses apply to Jesus, inasmuch as God also speaks of himself as “coming” to execute judgment. (Compare Isa 26:21.) Malachi 3:1-6 speaks of a joint coming for judgment on the part of Jehovah and his “messenger of the covenant.”(at least you must have read about the new covenant Jesus gave and how he acted as a messenger for God)

solite3:
[author=dolphinheart post=52359862]

it is clear you have a problem. How does this above relate to what I requested.
I didn't reply cos it will derail the thread. How can you be bringing so much unrelated topic at the same time.
@ bold u see how u have descended into the abyss? The subject of discussion is how did heb 1;5b first apply to Solomon. The writer of hebrews didn't quote the whole verse of 2 Samuel 7;14, he only took the portion that referred to Christ. In contrast the whole of psalm 102:25-27 referred to Jesus.

the writer of Hebrews never said the whole verse 2sam referred to Jesus. The part that applied to Jesus never applied to Solomon never

U don't even know what you are saying.

u don't even know the meaning of foreshadowed.

Definition of foreshadow
transitive verb
: to represent, indicate, or typify beforehand

how did Solomon foreshadow Christ?

this is unrelated to the topic at hand. Stick to issues


'Work of our hands means what we do. He didn't say 'his own hands' but 'his hands'.



@ bold solomon didn't say he builded the houses himself.



Ecclesiastes 2:11 Then I looked on all the works that my hands had wrought, and on the labour that I had laboured to do: [/b]and, behold, all was vanity and vexation of spirit, and there was no profit under the sun.
Solomon did not say he builded those houses by himself did he say so?

But Jehovah said he made the heavens and the earth by himself


Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the [b]earth by myself;.
Dolphinheart Jehovah said he made the heavens alone and spread the earth himself. How can this be possible if he used Jesus?




stop adding to the word of God. If God never called any angel his begotten son how come you think Jesus is an angel?

and yet he did it himself .

go back and read my post of trinity and stop asking unintelligent questions.

1. solite3, I do not know your request, please state it again.


2. Once again, I state it with facts that I did not say that "that chapter has false views neither did I claim that " the scripture is misleading"[/b]
this is what I said : : solite3, if you read those scriptures without trying to understand the context and what the the bible says in its entirety, you will come to the false understandING you are trying to potray.
I do not think that that sentence should be too hard for you to understand.


3. It should be noted once again that you tried to omit yourself from answering the question asked, this question is vital to understandING Hebrews chapter 1: 
[b] First of all, who is talking in that verse? and who does that person say he is in relation to Jesus? The answers to those questions which I will expect that you will not provide when you reply(let's see if you will prove me wrong ) will help you to understand what that verse is saying.
you proved me right once more by refusing to answer that question.


4 all questions are related , we are discussing the context sorrounding hebrews chapter one, we must understand what Paul is saying and who was talking, this will help us to understand what is being said. also its good to use other related scriptures to gain better knowledge. so pls answer the question, if you can't answer it with reply, separate it and answer it in subsequent post:
you have read the relationship between the person talking in that verse and Jesus when it comes to creation, earliar that same chapter had cleared Any false views of what it will say later , look at heb 1: 1-2.
Heb 1:1 Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways
Heb 1:2 Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.

(5)you made the statement : "@ bold u see how u have descended into the abyss? The subject of discussion is how did heb 1;5b first apply to Solomon.

I do not know if you are peeping into the abyss to see who is their, but I know you are confused about that issue, no where have I said heb 1:5b was referring to solomon or first applies to solomon.

again look and read carefully what I said below:
It should be observed in Hebrews 1:5b that a quotation is made from 2 Samuel 7:14 and applied to the Son of God. Although that text had its first application to Solomon, the later application of it to Jesus Christ does not mean that Solomon and Jesus are the same.

solite3, the text in heb 1: 5b is a quotation made from 2 Samuel 7:14.
The text in heb 1:5b applies to Jesus.
The text in 2 Samuel 7:14 applies to solomon.
That the same text is found to apply to two different persons does not mean the two different persons are the same person.

You also said : "The writer of hebrews didn't quote the whole verse of 2 Samuel 7;14, he only took the portion that referred to Christ. In contrast the whole of psalm 102:25-27 referred to Jesus.

Im surprised by your argument, the writer of Hebrew quoted a text from the writer of 2 Samuel, chapters and verses where not yet added to the scriptures at this time, so quoting whole verses or part of verses is not something you should bring up. The text that was quoted and who it applies to is what's important.

now let's look at second Samuel 7:14 again, we shall split into into two parts (blue and red)

2Sa 7:14 I will become his father, and he will become my son. When he does wrong, I will reprove him with the rod of men and with the strokes of the sons of men.

Now please solite3 tell me, are you saying that the person jehovah was talking about in the blue part is a different from the one he is talking about in the red part?

If the writer took portions that refers to Christ from the book of second Samuel, pls tell me who that portion was referring to in 2 Samuel 7:14?

you said : " the writer of Hebrews never said the whole verse 2sam referred to Jesus. The part that applied to Jesus never applied to Solomon never
It is good to see you are learning small small, you can see that I also did not say that the verse in 2 Samuel applies to Jesus. now the next question is, who is 2 Samuel 7: 14 applying to?



7. you defined "foreshadowed" now tell me after reading those scriptures did solomon typify jesus?
are some of their actions identical, even though that of Jesus was on a more grander scale?
If you read those verses , you will see how solomon foreshadowed Jesus.


8. The folowing sentences bolded below is very much related to the topic at hand, and very much part of the general topic , we are talking about creation, i posted a verse that also talk about creation and the actions of those involved in creation.:
rule, and he will also be a priest on his throne, and there will be a peaceable agreement between the two.[/b]
you failed to show where I made you claimed you remembered I made. 
you refuse to respond to this : "It is good that you accepted that Jesus is the one being referred to in proverbs 8: 30, your brother brocab refuses to accept, hope you will teach him that truth.
I also hope you accept the other things said about Jesus in that chapter. 
The verse said, I was beside him as a master worker, hope you understand that statement?"

9. (A)pls what the difference between "my hands" and "my own hand"
(which of the two sentences is more similar to "your hands" or "thine hands".

you said : "@ bold solomon didn't say he builded the houses himself."
look at what the kjv say :
King James Version
Ec 2:4I made me great works; I builded me houses;I planted me vineyards:

you asked : Dolphinheart Jehovah said he made the heavens alone and spread the earth himself. How can this be possible if he used Jesus?

This is what the verse says:
Isa 44:24This is what Jehovah says, your Repurchaser, Who formed you since you were in the womb: “I am Jehovah, who made everything. I stretched out the heavens by myself, And I spread out the earth. Who was with me?

The above statement does not negate hebrews 1: 2 or does it ?
You question has been answered , I've Shown you with scriptures how God used Jesus in creating the heavens and the earth. Jehovah is the creator, he used Jesus to create.

10. pls show me where I added to that word of God.


11. once again, you refuse to answer the question : 
You are very confused , so Jesus was God that was talking in those verses of Hebrew chapter 1?

12. which trinity post, pls show time and date you made the post.

solite3:
. Dolphinheart, lie lie dolphinheart there was no child born that was called Emmanuel in the old testament.
The name Emmanuel describes Jesus nature as God not that he was to really bear that Emmanuel when he was on earth.
The name was just his character.

so you are saying the sign giving by isaiah to the king concerning the prophecy did not occur?
and the prophecy got fulfilled in that time without evidence of the sign? you had a long way to go solite3, go and read the whole content of Isaiahs words to the king.

[quote author=solite3 post=52356459][/quote]

I believe I've responded to that post .

solite3:
Dolphinheart stop playing the ostrich go and respond to my posts

which posts are you talking about, just give time and date that you made the post ill check it if it's directed at me, and if it's not , then you are the one playing the ostrich.

brocab:
And I read the prophesy in {Isaiah 7} And it was a sign like every other prophesy that's given until it is fulfilled.
And it was fulfilled when Jesus came.

what was the background to the prophecy?
what caused isaiah to give that prophecy?
who was isaiah directing the prophecy to?
was the prophecy fulfilled in Isaiahs time?

though I know you will not answer those questions, but I know others will examine them and come to a better knowledge about that prophecy and it's fulfillment.

brocab:
You should write your own bible-opp's sorry you have written one. Dolphinhearts diary, the book without scriptures.

pls show the bible that dolphinheart has written o!

Fortunately the scriptures did give us that probability, and identifies who Jesus is.

the scriptures does not, any probability you cook up is from derived analogy, from verses that has been Currupted by proponents of the false trinity doctrine. even after concrete evidence has been presented, some will still hold on to those falsely added words.

One apostle Thomas confirmed Jesus is My Lord and My God..

it has been shown to you that Thomas made an exclamation, jesus did not ask him any question about his divinity, on the matter of who is the God of the disciples , jesus had send a message to them which was delivered, in that message , jesus told them who their God is!
King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, AND YOUR GOD
this fact above is what the apostles taught and wrote down in the scriptures, that jesus is the son of God.
God has a son, jesus does not.

Those who truly believe in Jesus knows Him to be God.

look at what those who believe jesus call him




King James Version
Joh 11:27She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world
King James Version
Mt 16:16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
King James Version
Ac 9:20And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

Brocab, you don't agree that jesus is the son of God, despite that fact being repeated several times in the scriptures.
1Jo 4:15 Whoever acknowledges that Jesus is God’s Son, God remains in union with such one and he in union with God.

The angel told Mary she will have a son, and she shall call him Im-man-u-el meaning With us is God..

yes that the meaning of the Hebrew name Immanuel, it does not mean that the bearer is God.

And the bible confirms Jesus is the Mighty God, The everlasting Father and the Almighty.
It is also said we live by faith..

lies, the scriptures does not say jesus is the Almighty!

The scriptures tells us In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God..

the scriptures tells us that In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
The word, who was with God cannot be the God he was with!

Paul did say those words-The KJV said God was manifest in the flesh..

Paul did not say those words, he said "he" not "God". It has been proven that the word "God" found in some translations if false, a word not said by Paul but deliberately added by scribes who wanted to make the verse support trinity.

But because it doesn't say it in your bible-don't worry nothing in your bible makes any sense-listen to yourself you refuse to believe Jesus was born-and His name is Im-man-u-el..

pls show where I said jesus' name is not immanuel, you have started lying again!

The following facts are true, you cannot disprove them, they are facts supported by the scriptures
1.The angels told Mary that Jesus the son of the most high and his father would give him a kingdom
2.Those who believed in Jesus call him son of God
3.The disciple confirmed Jesus as the son of the living God 
4.God from heaven confirmed that Jesus is his son three times.
5.The apostles confirmed that Jesus is the son of their God
6.The scriptures confirmed that Jesus was told by God to sit at his right hand
7.the scriptures tell us that the God of Jesus is our God, the one God, Almighty God.

you are running away from Isaiahs prophecy, refusing to tell us if the prophecy and it's sign was not fulfilled in isaiahs time.

brocab:
God had never told me Jehovah is His name-never, even when I read the Word Of God-He had never told me Jehovah was His name.
I never felt to ask God what is His name-I have always Called Him Father God, and of course Jesus will always be Jesus in my heart.
I am sure if Jehovah was truly His name-He would have said so, but He didn't-knowing He knew I already call Him by His rightful name. God or Jesus is the names written in every bible that's written.
These two names are His name.
Every man and his dog knows about the JW's and the false religion you carry-and of course once again no-one is interested in your bitching and winching.

and I can bet he will never tell you, cus he had told you through his word in the scriptures, yet you disagree.
no wonder you could not pick up your 1611 bibLe and answer the questions below, even after it has been asked numerous times. when facts expose you, you resort to an unverifiable source.

" like I said, I was beginning to suspect you know little about the name jehovah, you just confirmed it. I will not teach you further , but I will leave a clue, go and read the 1611 edition of the KJV, post what luke 1: 31 says here, tell us how that translation spelt the name of the son of God in that verse and why you , a defender of that 1611 translation do not spell the name in that manner!

your refusal to quote that verse from the 1611 version and explain why you don't spell the name in like manner will show how deep into falsehood you really are!"

YOU HAVE REFUSED TO DO SO, YOU AGAIN SHOW DEEP IN FALSEHOOD YOU ARE ANYTIME YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER CUS YOU KNOW IT EXPOSES YOU.

The questions one needs to ask you is 
. where did the scripture say Abraham built an image.?
even if God's name is not jehovah, would that make it right for Abraham to build and image for worship?
did Abraham build an image for worship?

again you still refuse to answer that question, then I'll assume you are trying to lie against a faithful servant of God.

solite3:
author=dolphinheart


@ coloured brown you still repeated same thing claiming the scripture is misleading




heb 1;5b never applied to solomon. There was never a time Solomon called God his Father and God called him him his son.
U are funny which work did Solomon 'foreshadowed'.

see what denial has done to you? How can you say the foundation were the work of your hands when it is the bricklayer's work. Try saying something like this to someone and here his reply.



Solomon didn't say the work of his hands was constructing his house. See how confused you are!
Solomon worked hard to accomplish what he did . Did he say he built his house himself? Even if 'the work of his hands'did not mean he did by himself But Jehovah said he created the heavens and the earth himself.


Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?


1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

1:8 But unto the Son he saith[b], Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: [/b]a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Did you read these verses? Has God called any angel his only begotten son? God said all angels should worship the Son, did you see that?
God called the Son God Respond to this.





Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the[b] heavens alone[/b]; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Jehovah went further to tell you he created all things by himself. Yet you are looking for explanation. It is either you believe Jehovah or you don't?
Your organization is of the devil they lie and twist Jehovah's word he never said he used anybody to create things he said he did it himself he said there was no god with him yet your organization said there was a god with Jehovah who is now the liar?
@ bold nothing biblical cause you are been exposed.
Dolphinheart you have been exposed.

Job 9:8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.

(1). your first accusation : @ bold so that chapter has false views? What are the false views? Is the bible no longer inspired or it is just views
you modified and brought another one : @ coloured brown you still repeated same thing claiming the scripture is misleading

solite3 , I did not say the chapter has false views neither did I say it is misleading. once again look at what I said : solite3, if you read those scriptures without trying to understand the context and what the the bible says in its entirety, you will come to the false understandING you are trying to potray

I do not think that that sentence should be too hard for you to understand.

(2). It should be noted once again that you tried to omit yourself from answering the question asked, this question is vital to understandING Hebrews chapter 1:
[b] First of all, who is talking in that verse? and who does that person say he is in relation to Jesus? The answers to those questions which I will expect that you will not provide when you reply(let's see if you will prove me wrong ) will help you to understand what that verse is saying.
you proved me right once more by refusing to answer that question.

(3). You one again refuse to respond to this statement and verses:
you have read the relationship the person talking in that verse and Jesus when it comes to creation, earliar that same chapter had cleared Any false views of what it will say later , look at heb 1: 1-2.
Heb 1:1 Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways
Heb 1:2 Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.

(4.) You made this statement: [b]heb 1;5b never applied to solomon. There was never a time Solomon called God his Father and God called him him his son.
In the need to find fault with my words, you failed to read my words, understanding what I said and then responding. I did not say heb 1:5b applied to solomon, look at what I said below:
It should be observed in Hebrews 1:5b that a quotation is made from 2 Samuel 7:14 and applied to the Son of God. Although that text had its first application to Solomon, the later application of it to Jesus Christ does not mean that Solomon and Jesus are the same.

If you had looked at 2 Samuel 7:14, you would have understood what I was saying and how both sentences can be applied to both Jesus and solomon, and yet they are not the same person.

There was never a time solomon called God his father and god called him his son? then why did jehovah make that statement concerning solomon in 2 Samuel 7:14.
[b]2Sa 7:14I will become his father, and he will become my son. When he does wrong, I will reprove him with the rod of men and with the strokes of the sons of men.
we all know that Jesus is perfect and could do no wrong, therefore jehovah could not be referring to Jesus. so solite3, let me ask you a question which I know you will not answer : who is jehovah referring to that he says he will reproof when he does wrong?
If you don't answer that question, it shows how deep in falsehood you are!

Before you answer , I'll will show you another scripture which exposes you Further
1Ch 28:6“He said to me, ‘Your son Solʹo·mon is the one who will build my house and my courtyards, for I have chosen him as my son and I will become his father.

(5) you said : "U are funny which work did Solomon 'foreshadowed'"
ill prefer that you study the scriptures to understand better.
read the verses below, expecially the underlined

2Sa 7:11from the day that I appointed judges over my people Israel. And I will give you rest from all your enemies. “‘“Also, Jehovah has told you that Jehovah will make a house for you.
2Sa 7:12When your days come to an end and you are laid to rest with your forefathers, then I will raise up your offspring after you, your own son, and I will firmly establish his kingdom.
2Sa 7:13He is the one who will build a house for my name, and I will firmly establish the throne of his kingdom forever.
Sa 7:19As if this were not enough, O Sovereign Lord Jehovah, you also speak about the house of your servant down to a distant future time; and this is instruction for all mankind, O Sovereign Lord Jehovah.

After reading those verses, you then read the ones below, maybe, just maybe you will understand how solomon foreshadowed jesus

[b]Lu 1:32, 33This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father,33and he will rule as King over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end to his Kingdom.”
Isa 9:7To the increase of his rulership And to peace, there will be no end, On the throne of David and on his kingdom In order to establish it firmly and to sustain it Through justice and righteousness, From now on and forever. The zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.
Ac 2:30Because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath that he would seat one of his offspring on his throne,
Zec 6:12, 13And say to him, “‘This is what Jehovah of armies says: “Here is the man whose name is Sprout. He will sprout from his own place, and he will build the temple of Jehovah.13He is the one who will build the temple of Jehovah, and he is the one who will assume the majesty. He will sit down on his throne and rule, and he will also be a priest on his throne, and there will be a peaceable agreement between the two.[/b]


(6) you failed to show where I made you claimed you remembered I made. 

(7) you refuse to respond to this : "It is good that you accepted that Jesus is the one being referred to in proverbs 8: 30, your brother brocab refuses to accept, hope you will teach him that truth.
I also hope you accept the other things said about Jesus in that chapter. 
The verse said, I was beside him as a master worker, hope you understand that statement?"

( as shown to you earlier solomon in verse 4 said he undertook great works some of those works include
building houses for himself
planting vineyards for himself
making pools of water for himself
acquiring and accumulating both living and material things.

In verse 11 he said : Ec 2:11 But when I reflected on all the works that my own hands had done and on all the hard work that I had toiled to accomplish, I saw that everything was futile, a chasing after the wind; there was nothing of real value under the sun.

We know that solomon did not physically build those houses by himself, but when he refered to those houses he said it is the work of his own hands and the accomplishment of his hard word.

(9) no , God did not call any of those angels except jesus his only begotten son. You question proves that the God talking in Hebrews chapter 1 is person from jesus , that God also claims to be the God of jesus , eliminating any thought of them being the same God.

(11)Hebrew 1: 2 says God did the creation through his son.

12. once again, you refuse to answer the question :
You are very confused , so Jesus was God that was talking in those verses of Hebrew chapter 1?

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johnw74:



Emmanuel, means God with us, so Jesus is God with us
Emmanuel doesn't mean "a god" with us, so Jesus isn't "a god" with us
Jesus cannot be called "a god" as you antichrist dolphinheart call Him

G1694
Ἐμμανουήλ
Emmanouēl
em-man-oo-ale'
Of Hebrew origin [H6005]; God with us; Emmanuel, a name of Christ: - Emmanuel.
Total KJV occurrences: 1





Even correct grammar alone shows that God's Son cannot be "a god"

however "a god's" son can be "a god"

Immanuel means God with us, it does not mean that the person who bears that name is God.
my friends name is oluwapelumi, when his parents gave him that name, they did not mean that my friend is the God that is with them.

Father is God, Jesus is the Son of God

You are correct.Jesus is not the God he is son of

haman is not Father God and eliathan is Not Father God's Son

there is no comparison except to a fool.

Pro_13:16  Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.
Pro_18:2  A fool hath no delight in understanding....
Pro_24:7  Wisdom is too high for a fool....
Pro_26:11  As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
Ecc_2:14  ....but the fool walketh in darkness:....
Ecc_5:3  ....and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.


eliathan
H448
אֱלִיָּתָה    אֱלִיאָתָה
'ĕlı̂y'âthâh    'ĕlı̂yâthâh
el-ee-aw-thaw'    el-ee-yaw-thaw'
From H410 and H225; God of (his) consent; Eliathah, an Israelite: - Eliathah.
Total KJV occurrences: 2

eliathan = God of (his) consent = a false god
however he could be God to you a/c dolphinheart

elaithan comes from el which can be used for God or can be used for any diety-false gods,
lie lie dolphinheart eliathan is not God, but a false god.

el
H410
אֵל
'êl
ale
Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity): - God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might (-y one), power, strong. Compare names in “-el.”
Total KJV occurrences: 242


duh you a/c are so dum, or should I say evil,
both is true.

You just displayed your folly, so eliathan is a false God.?
you fail to realise the reasoning behind the question, eliathan is a name given among the isrealites, it does not mean that the bearer is a God, a god , a true or false God. same as elihu, it does not mean the name is God.

Their was a child named Immanuel during the time of immunuEl, go and read that prophecy and its fulfillment during that time, it does not mean that the child is God.
You are very much confused about God and god, you forget they come from the same Hebrew and Greek word with no difference in capitalization.

johnw74:


@ green
duh, Alpha and Omega means "beginning and ending", "first and last"

your own view

also you have a problem with Father giving Jesus revelation, and so think that it's Jesus speaking about Father,
duh, have shown that's not the case, but will show again for the pleasure of others seeing just who false jw is

I did not say "father giving Jesus revelation" , if i said such please show me and others , and if i did not say so, then its you that have just shown others how false you are.
You are always thinking I said something, not reading what I actually said. I said "God gave Jesus the revelation" and i quoted the verse where such knowledge can be found!

Re 1:1 A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John,

such a confused antichrist, but you cannot be any other way

your chosen verses don't make any diffrence lie lie

It's still Jesus talking:
New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty"

good you could quote from a translation that tried to remove false words from that verse.
It was God ,the Almighty that was talking , not Jesus, also John did not add the Almighty it was God that said the Almighty,look at the sentence there is no break in the qoutation marks to signify someone else said "the Almighty".
verses 4 to 6 has shown us that Jesus cannot be the one who is who was and who is to come, in the same sense that Jesus cannot be the seven spirit.

Jesus said: I am Alpha and Omega, John added the Almighty

wrong

Jesus said: I am he that liveth, and was dead, this was not Father speaking,

and neither did I say so, we all know God cannot die , but Jesus said he was dead!

nor is it Jesus speaking about the Father, but about Himself

their are certain times he spoke about his God, calling him "my God" , we know who that God is, In John 20: 17, he identified his God as his father!

revelation is Jesus speaking through His Angel, but twist away antichrist

you omit the part where the revelation was given to Jesus by God.
In the book of revelation we have other personalities apart from Jesus talking.

Jesus said: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches"
it's Jesus talking not Father, and not Jesus talking for Father, or about Father
and Jesus sent His Angel, Father didn't send Jesus Angel to John

The revelation that Jesus used his angel to send to John was given to him by God!

Revelation is the testimony of Jesus Christ, not Father God:
Rev 1:2  Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Chris, and of all things that he saw.
Jesus Angel gave John the testimony of Jesus, not the testimony of Father

but lie away oh blinded one

you yourself had said it, their are two sources:
who testifies to everything he saw--that is, (1)the word of God and the (2)testimony of Jesus Christ.

Jesus testified:

John heard a voice behing him saying:
Rev 1:11 I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Revelation 1:11 ►

New International Version
which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

New Living Translation
It said, "Write in a book everything you see, and send it to the seven churches in the cities of Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

English Standard Version
saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

Berean Study Bible
saying, "Write in a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

Berean Literal Bible
saying, "What you see, write in a book and send to the seven churches: to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamum, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

New American Standard Bible 
saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."

Holman Christian Standard Bible
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea." 

International Standard Version
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

NET Bible
saying: "Write in a book what you see and send it to the seven churches--to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea." 

New Heart English Bible
saying, "What you see, write on a scroll and send to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Which said, “Those things which you have seen, write in a book and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesaus, to Zmurna, to Pergamaus, to Thawatyra, to Sardis, to Philadelphia and to Laidiqia.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

New American Standard 1977 
saying, “Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

American Standard Version
saying, What thou seest, write in a book and send it to the seven churches: unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamum, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Saying: What thou seest, write in a book, and send to the seven churches which are in Asia, to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamus, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea. 

Darby Bible Translation
saying, What thou seest write in a book, and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and t

Weymouth New Testament
It said, "Write forthwith in a roll an account of what you see, and send it to the seven Churches--to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyateira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

World English Bible
saying, "What you see, write in a book and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."

The words "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:" has been discovered to be later additions to the scriptures by proponents of the false doctrine of trinity

John turned to see who was speaking and saw one like the Som of man:
Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man

Yes, the same Son of man that Daniel saw approaching the ancient of days who gave him power and authority and kingship.

Jesus said:
Fear not; I am the first and the last: 
Rev 1:18  I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. 
Rev 1:19  Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; 
Rev 1:20  The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Jesus is first to be resurrected to evaluating life, the firstborn from the dead. jesus is last to be resurrected directly by God, all other resurrection to life will be done by Jesus. This statements are true.

Jesus speaking:
Rev 22:7  Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Rev 22:12  And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 
Rev 22:13  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 

Rev 22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Rev 22:20  He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.



Jesus said He is "Alpha and Omega"
and I have no objection if you say Father is Alpha and Omega, because He is,
God is the Alpha and Omega, Father and Son is Alpha and Omega, but revelation is the testimony of Jesus Christ
it is Jesus speaking, and when He say's I am Alpha and Omega He is speaking of Himself
and when Jesus say's "I am he that liveth, and was dead" Jesus is speaking of Himself, not about Father, and it is not Father speaking.

different personalities spoke in revelation chapter 22

The title Alpha and Omega occurs at Revelation 21:6, and the following verse identifies the speaker by saying: “Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.” Inasmuch as Jesus referred to those who are joint heirs with him in his Kingdom as “brothers,” not “sons,” the speaker must be Jesus’ heavenly Father, Jehovah God.—Mt 25:40; compare Heb 2:10-12.

The final occurrence of the title is at Revelation 22:13, which states: “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” It is evident that a number of persons are represented as speaking in this chapter of Revelation.
Verses 8 and 9 show that the angel spoke to John.
Verse 16 obviously applies to Jesus.
The first part of verse 17 is credited to “the spirit and the bride,”
The one speaking in the latter part of verse 20 is manifestly John himself. 
“The Alpha and the Omega” of verses 12-15, therefore, may properly be identified as the same one who bears the title in the other two occurrences: Jehovah God.
The expression, “Look! I am coming quickly,” in verse 12, does not require that these aforementioned verses apply to Jesus, inasmuch as God also speaks of himself as “coming” to execute judgment. (Compare Isa 26:21.) Malachi 3:1-6 speaks of a joint coming for judgment on the part of Jehovah and his “messenger of the covenant.”(at least you must have read about the new covenant jesus gave and how he acted as a messenger for God)

You way heap big lie lie antichrist dolphinheart.

 
Revelation is the testimony of Jesus Christ, not Father God:
Rev 1:2  Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Chris, and of all things that he saw.

The Angel's record was of the Word of God, it wasn't the record of Father
It was the testimony of Jesus Christ

duh so clear but not for blinded a/c

you know English, but you refuse to use it when it does not support your doctrine, God spoke, jesus testified.
its the use of "word of God" is to signify the same person as jesus, the words "and the" which separates them would not have been used.

Recoverd:
Talking about blood, have spent years in hospital, I know over 36 Jehovah's witnesses who at the point of death started begging for blood. I also know many who did blood transfusion in secret. You guys do take blood... Only most times in secret. Who wan die?

you said it yourself, they took it in secret , they are afraid to die.
They do not remember the scriptures when faced with death .

Joh 12:25Whoever is fond of his life destroys it, but whoever hates his life in this world will safeguard it for everlasting life.

Re 12:11And they conquered him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their witnessing, and they did not love their souls even in the face of death.

They loved thier life, so they did it in secret.

Recoverd:
Hmmmmmmm....always wondered why you guys erased the word "HELL FIRE " everyplace its written in the Bible. How come you do not believe in the same miracle's Christ did when the bible said greater things we will do than Christ?

please, I think you will need to point out where the words " hell fire is in the bible and the bible that contains that word.

brocab:
Don't try and twist the subject Dolphinheart-the prophets were talking about the virgin who conceived a son.
No-one is interested in your question, just answer the truth.. Jesus rightful name is Immanuel meaning "With us is God..

he asked me a question and I answered, I also reminded him of the issue at hand, I've told you to read isaiah's prophecy to the king, not just a verse in it, and tell me if the prophecy was not fulfilled in isaiah's day. Isaiah gave a sign in that prophecy , are you saying the prophecy was fulfilled without the sign?

I also asked you a question, I hope you will answer :
one of heman's son is called eliathah. can you tell us what that names means and can you tell us if it means that the person bearing that name is god?

brocab:
Do you expect me to answer this again, what don't you understand what is written in the NWT Bible {Genesis 13:4} To a place where he previously built an Alter. Therefore Abram called on the name of Jehovah.
Abram built an Alter. Abram used this place, like we do with Churches to call out to God.

brocab, I hope you still have a conscience.

you had been totally against the word "Jehovah" for a while now look at what you said below

brocab: 11:01pm On Dec 18
Using "Yahweh as Jehovah" any church that uses Jehovah is misinformed and using this name for God is unbiblical
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brocab: 11:19pm On Dec 19
The name of Jehovah is not the real name of God, let me explain, in the Hebrew language God is expressed by four letters "YHWH" These four consonants are also known in academic circles as the Tetragrammation .
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 brocab: 3:42pm On Dec 20
Prove I didn't quote {Psalms 83:18} KJV I accept to the point without the hybrid name Jehovah, but the NWT no-one accepts.
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 brocab: 12:43pm On Dec 21
I had found In the World English bible-praise "Yahweh's" And in the King James Version praise "YE" the Lord. And of course I found No Jehovah in either.{Psalms 68:4} "JAH" is used, but still no Jehovah..
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brocab: 1:31am On Dec 21
As I said the bible is accurate. I call Jehovah a misprint, before or after it was printed by the JW's on their own pressers.



BY  1:38pm On Dec 21, I SHOWED YOU HOW THE KJV DEFENDED THE USE OF THE WORD JEHOVAH, YOU COULD NOT TELL IF THE KJV DEFENCE IS TRUE OR A LIE BECAUSE EITHER ANSWER WILL NOT HELP YOU. SINCE THEN YOUR STANCE HAD BEEN CHANGING GRADUALLY, LOOK AT WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE WORD JEHOVAH FROM THAT TIME ON.

YOU TRY TO MINIMISE THE DAMAGE TO NUMBERS.
brocab: 2:49pm On Dec 21
The KJV only defends Jehovah seven times-not bad going-when Jehovah is un-noticeable to the readers.


YOU TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK AS IF IT'S NOT IMPORTANT ANYMORE
brocab: 12:44am On Dec 23
To be honest it doesn't matter-the names not important-its just a name used -what is more important is getting to know God-like I have said bibles have been corrected since the seven hybrid names were written in the KJV, it must be some kind of a joke to only find seven names in the entire hole bible, which doesn't make a difference at all-we all know the name-as YHWH Yahweh or Lord and God.

NOW IN SUPPORT OF THE WORD " JEHOVAH
brocab: 3:39am On Dec 23
Jehovah to me is just a name used for God-its like El, Elohim, and every other name people would like to call Him-God will always be Lord, this is the proper way to address our creator
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brocab 12:22am On Dec 26
What do I know about God's name, the Last time I looked in my bible-God has many fruitful names, Jehovah is Just one.

Brocab, can you see your folly, you are smoke blown in any direction by the wind, no solid foundation.

you have now turned to attacking the faithful servant of God, saying he did something you could not provide proof that he did!
Gen 13: 4 did not say Abraham built images, talk less of naming those images or the place Jehovah. stop lying brocab.
Ge 13:4to the place where he had previously built an altar. There Aʹbram called on the name of Jehovah.

These a images-You need to realise God doesn't meet us in buildings, nor places, nor Altars. Abram needed a place only because God could find only the very few that will call on the name of the Lord, back in those days.

Haha, see explanation, because they where few, that why the alter was built? habA!

These day's we don't need images, because {1 Peter 2:5} We are living stones built up in a Spiritual house.
{Genesis 22:14} Abram built an Alter to meet with the Lord, and He called it Jehovahjirah as it's said to this day,in the name of the Lord, it shall be seen.

it seems you are very confused, your words can only be true if that alter or churches are the only place to talk to God or if God only listens to you in such places.
There is also a very big difference between alter, churches and images, go and check on the three and clear your confusion.

Ge 22:14And Abraham named that place Je·hoʹvah-jiʹreh. This is why it is still said today: “In the mountain of Jehovah it will be provided.”
can you see that Abraham did not name the place Jehovah?

The question you should now consider is was Abraham right to use the word jehovah as part of a name he gave a mountain?

{ Matthew 1:20-23} Matches up with {Luke 1:31} in the 1611" "And where do you go from here?

Dubious dubious dubious, still refusing to answer the question asked.

" like I said, I was beginning to suspect you know little about the name jehovah, you just comfirmed it. I will not teach you further , but I will leave a clue, go and read the 1611 edition of the KJV, post what luke 1: 31 says here, tell us how that translation spelt the name of the son of God in that verse and why you , a defender of that 1611 translation do not spell the name in that manner!

your refusal to quote that verse from the 1611 version and explain why you don't spell the name in like manner will show how deep into falsehood you really are!"

YOU HAVE REFUSED TO DO SO, YOU AGAIN SHOW DEEP IN FALSEHOOD YOU ARE ANYTIME YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER CUS YOU KNOW IT EXPOSES YOU.

Do I have to repeat this verses again NKJV {Psalms 83:18} That they may know that your name is the Lord, are the most high over all the earth.
KJV That they may know that your name is Jehovah.
So which is it "Lord or Jehovah" or both? If you say both-then it proves Jesus is the most high over all the earth.

it is you that will tell me which translation is correct , cus now we know that both can't be correct.
We Know the Hebrew word for Lord we know it does not exist in that verse!

brocab:
Thank you-Dolphinheart=even if God's name is not jehovah,

another evidence to show that you will do anything to avoid answering those questions, I asked you a question, you are trying to convert it to a statement.
which names did God directly tell you "this is my name"?

" like I said, I was beginning to suspect you know little about the name jehovah, you just confirmed it. I will not teach you further , but I will leave a clue, go and read the 1611 edition of the KJV, post what luke 1: 31 says here, tell us how that translation spelt the name of the son of God in that verse and why you , a defender of that 1611 translation do not spell the name in that manner!

your refusal to quote that verse from the 1611 version and explain why you don't spell the name in like manner will show how deep into falsehood you really are!"

YOU HAVE REFUSED TO DO SO, YOU AGAIN SHOW DEEP IN FALSEHOOD YOU ARE ANYTIME YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER CUS YOU KNOW IT EXPOSES YOU.


broad is this (below) the verse you are referring to? if it is ,then you confirm more and more that you know little about jehovah!

The questions one needs to ask you is 
. where did the scripture say Abraham built an image.?
even if God's name is not jehovah, would that make it right for Abraham to build and image for worship?
did Abraham build an image for worship?

again you still refuse to answer that question, then I'll assume you are trying to lie against a faithful servant of God.

brocab:
If the scriptures say Jesus is God-then Jesus is God.

fortunately, the scriptures never gave us that probability, it identifies who Jesus is:
The angels told Mary that Jesus the son of the most high and his father would give him a kingdom
Those who believed in jesus call him son of God
The disciple confirmed jesus as the son of the living God
God from heaven confirmed that jesus is his son three times.
The apostles confirmed that jesus is the son of their God
The scriptures confirmed that jesus was told by God to sit at his right hand
the scriptures tell us that the God of jesus is our God, the one God, Almighty God.

And if Paul didn't say God was manifest in the flesh-then these words came from God Himself. who spoke through Paul.

there is no probability, it has been proven Paul never said those words either personally or through inspiration. Those words were false additional to the bible by those who were fustrated that their is no direct support to their false doctrine in the scriptures. The word "theos" cannot be found in the best and oldest manuscripts.

KJV {Isaiah 7:14} Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign, "Behold a Virgin will conceive and bear a Son, and she shall call His name Immanuel.
The NWT Bible it say's-Therefore Jehovah Himself will give you a sign, Look the young woman will become pregnant and will give birth to a son, and she will name Him Immanuel..
There is no maiden name-not even in your bible, Mary was the Virgin the prophets spoke about In {Isaiah 7:14}
Dolphinheart not even you can change the prophesies..
And on top of all this, call your children what you like. Your children don't match up with the prophesies, some children are called Jesus-but theirs only One Jesus, He that lives on from the beginning, If calling your child a name that's relevant to God-then by their fruits we will know them.

brocab, read isaiah's prophecy, what you quoted was just a small part of the prophecy , read it and tell us if that prophecy Isaiah gave to the king was not fulfilled then, then tell us is that first Immanuel is God.

solite3:

Dolphinheart



Did you read what brocab wrote?

What does Emmanuel mean?
A. God is with us
B.a god is with us.
C. No idea

yes I read it, did you read my reply, do you understand my reply?

The answer is A
the issue is not about the Greek word "theos", Isaiah told us the meaning of the name "Immanuel" not "theos".

I asked him a question, I like to ask you too, hope you will answer
one of heman's son is called eliathah. can you tell us what that names means and can you tell us if it means that the person bearing that name is god?