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brocab:
You may have checked {Matthew 17:21} in other bibles-You should look up the rest of the scriptures, I have given you, and then tell me, if all the other bibles you have mention, had twisted or removed those scriptures as well.

I've said I will handle the scriptures you feel are omitted, removed or altered one by one, I've checked Matthew 17:21, it has been discovered that it's the key that's at fault. I've given you what is said about that verse while you have not been able to give any explanation in defence of the kjv.

If you have no evidence to present concerning Matthew 17:21 , but still feel their are other verses you have issues with, plus present one of them ,we will be handling them one by one. so I will wait if you will put up another verse to claim it's been omitted.

but you never looked it up out from the KJV bible-and yet when it comes to Jehovah's name you agree fully that the KJ's hold the secrets to God's name.
Hypocritical isn't it.

haha, I know it pains you that you can find the name of God in your bible, but there is nothing you can do about it, you can refuse to quote that verse , but it is there. moreover, whichever translation I use, as long as it exposes your false beliefs, you will have issues with it, you are now finding fault in my use of the kjv to expose you.

You check the KJ's for an argument every time you feel you need to prove a statement, but not this time-the KJ's doesn't even receive a mention.

yes, because in this case, the kjv did not translate correctly(read the prove given by the scholars)

The 1611 bible was copied first, and the JW's had the KJ's bible printing on their pressers. And now you are denying the KJ's holds the truth. Another hypocritical statement.

where was the 1611 bible copied from?. One good thing about how Christians handle knowledge is that if their find some things to be false , they leave it!, more and more translators and scholars are finding out that the kjv contain some false translations, or contain additions made by scribes who copied the manuscripts.

The new century version {Matthew 17:21} as clear as it say's. Some of the others bible's you have mention, I can't seem to trace them down. God's Word?

Google is your friend

Bart D. Ehrman was a Christian for at least 15 years, and return himself back into a atheist, so you are picking up your information from a atheist who thinks he knows the truth.

1. support your statement with prove
2. You don't need to be a christian to examine the authenticity of certain manuscripts , he might not have faith in what it says, that does not mean he cannot spot a false addition.
I might not know french, but I surely know if a word is written in blue or red ink!
he has checked the older manuscripts and came to the same conclusion other Christians (some who believe in trinity have)

Well done good and faithful servant.

thank you.

This is why people in genial read the KJ's bible because it holds all truth..

you have a right to say so, you have a right not to believe the truth supported with facts.

Satan came here to kill, steal and destroy, please continual, because with all the other junk you have written, proves, your not someone who actually believes in the bible, because you receive your information from non believing atheist..
Every Word in the bible is written by God.
Beside's nothing you have written below the bible names, proves there's any truth to it.

Brocab, when one person or group of persons bring a translation out and claim it's accurate, and another person or group brings another translation out ,also claiming it's accurate. You look at the two translations and you find that in some verses, what is written is totally different, what should a sensible person who searches for the truth, blindly believe one over the other or try and search for which one is accurate and which one is false.

I do not believe everything this scholars says, but I do try to look deeper into their conclusions to arrive at my own conclusion.
If you feel that what one of them says is false simply because he is not a christian, then it shows how deep your refusal to accept truth is.
I believe you are educated, do you disagree with what you are taught simply because the teacher does not believe in what he or she is teaching you?
moreover, I quoted more than one scholar, who hold the same view, are all of them atheist!

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

bro has God given Faith, he knows that our Lord Jesus Christ is God in the flesh

I post to you to show up some of your lies, because you are such a big lie lie
and belonging to the church of satan, I just like to do it

does he agree with you that proverbs 8 :22- 30 is referring to Jesus?, if no is the answer, have you tried to tell him the truth? if you have tried to tell him the truth, has he accepted?

I'm not talking about jesus is God in the flesh, I'm talking about proverbs 8 :22-30 .

johnw74:
what a lie lie, I told you that, you love to lie



satan is a god, a false god, just like you say the Word-Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is.



no confused one satan is not God, but he is your god.

good you agreed that Satan is a god, a "thoes".

[quote author=solite3 post=51328967][/quote](go and learn how to quote)

it is a fact that the scriptures :
1. never said or thought us that Jesus is jehovah, in fact, jehovah prophesied about Jesus as his servant. jehovah did not send himself or did he?, I'd jehovah the servant of jehovah?

2.never at any point said that Jesus is the almighty God, the one who is the almighty God is jehovah, he called Jesus his servant, his son, his only begotten SON!

3. never ever said that Jesus and the father are one God almighty, in fact no verse would you find where it is said that Jesus and the father are one God, Jesus identified the father as our God, the only true God, the disciples identified the father as the one God , the scriptures identified the father as the God of Jesus and our God

you refuse to exit that post of yours so that I can reply you, well you have a right to refuse to do it, ill only be replying what I see when I quote you. Let me as you, is Satan a god of these world? The word used in that verse is "thoes" .

you have abandoned your "lion and son analogy after seing it does not help your cause.
You picked a new one which makes it worse, cus you are implying that all sons of God are God.

johnw74:
such a girly

unlike you, we do have God given Faith to know that our Lord Jesus Christ is God

brothers tend to advise each other in case one sees that the other has gone astray when it comes to certain , as a Christian, it will be good to find out what your brother believes about proverbs 8: 22-30, check if such beliefs are right or wrong and endeavor to correct such ones.

I can bet it with you, that even if I, dolphinheart, beliefs in something or teaches something which is wrong on this thread, someone who is my brother will come on this same thread and correct me with evidence, I will examine such evidence and apologize .
But o.y.o is your case , your brother can believe in something different from yours and you will not respond as long as you both have same common enemy!

your fight is not from the scriptures , for the scriptures teaches that Jesus is the son of God and God is the father of Jesus, they are not same person or same being for Jesus is said to sit at the right hand of God, pleading to God on our behalf.
GOD GOES NOT PLEAD TO HIMSELF , JESUS PLEADS ON OUR BEHALF TO HIS GOD, ALMIGHTY GOD, THE MOST HIGH GOD.

johnw74:
he is In this verse which speaks about you:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

good , you are learning, so the god(theos) of this world is Satan. Therefore Satan is a "thoes", or Satan is "theos"

achorladey:
Ask him yourself. I am very sure he will give you a reply to your question.

I've replied him

brocab:
Was completely removed {Matthew 17:21, 18:11, 23:14, Mark 7:16, 9:44, 9:46, 11:26, 16:9-20 all were removed, Luke 1:28, 17:36,23:17, John 5:4, John 7:53, 8:11, Acts 8:37, 15:34, 24:6-8, 28:19, Romans 16:24, Colossians 1:2, 2:2, An important phase and completely removed and of the Father and of Christ, 1 John 5:13, Revelation 1:11, 2:15, 21:24} {1 John 5:7} Completely removed in the JW bible, saying this, "For there are three witnesses bearers"
Now we will hear it from the real bible.
"For there are three that bear record in heaven "The Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost, these three are One.
Yes you and achoriadey do believe in your bible that's written lies and wonders.

brocab, have you ever sat for an exam before, cus the way you answer questions shows you might not have done so.

I said, " give an example", so in line with my question, I'll only examine the first verse you gave, which is Matt 17 :21.

I checked for the verse in a lot of translations and realised that the verse was blank , nothing is written in the verse . such translations include
1. New Century Version (NCV)
2.New International Version (NIV)
3.Contemporary English Version (CEV)
4. New Living Translation
5. English Standard Version
6.NET Bible
7.GOD'S WORD®
8.English Revised Version
I'm such there are a lot more translations that do not have any word written in verse 21.

Below are explanations about that verse.

[b]The verse is not included in the newer Bibles because the older and better manuscripts of Matthew do not include it. The translators of the older Bibles were not as careful in the manuscripts they used. Apparently in the process of copying the manuscripts, someone at a much later date copied the verse from the Gospel of Mark and added it to the Matthew account.



Bart D. Ehrman believes that some of the most known of these verses were not part of the original text of the New Testament. "These scribal additions are often found in late medieval manuscripts of the New Testament, but not in the manuscripts of the earlier centuries," he adds. "And because the King James Bible is based on later manuscripts, such verses became part of the Bible tradition in English-speaking lands."[2] This same sentiment is expressed by Brooke Foss Westcott and Fenton John Anthony Hort.

let's search further

According to The Greek New Testament (4th Edition), edited by Aland, Metzger, et al. (2012), this verse does not appear in the best Greek manuscripts available. In order to save ourselves the tedious task of comparing and contrasting the pros and cons of the variant readings, the late Bruce Metzger has also published the companion volume, which is A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament (2nd Edition, 2012).

On page 35 he writes the following:

17.21 omit verse {A}
Since there is no satisfactory reason why the passage, if originally present in Matthew, should have been omitted in a wide variety of witnesses, and since copyists frequently inserted material derived from another Gospel, it appears that most manuscripts have been assimilated to the parallel in Mk 9.29.

What he is saying, is that the "Editorial Committee" (comprised of the four editors of The Greek New Testament which include Mr. Metzger) had ascribed {A} to their reading, which means that they are "certain" that the verse was not in the autograph.[/b]

So brocab, scholars have said there is no word written in matt 17: 21, that if you find where something is written in matt 17: 21, it's the scribes that put it their and not the author of the book of Matthew!

so that have something written in matt 17: 21, copied from those scribes and not the author of that book, cus the author of that book did not write what the scribes wrote in that verse.

THE CASE IS NOW A CASE OF DELIBERATE INSERTION AND NOT REMOVAL.
If you still feel their is another verse you want to bring forward as evidence, you are free to do so, but I'll handle jus one verse at a time.

brocab:
No, it's not the question I asked-is Jehovah God's name?

YES JEHOVAH IS GOD'S NAME, YOUR BIBLE SUPPORTS THIS ANSWER , READ AND QUOTE WHAT YOUR BIBLE SAYS IN PSALMS 83:81 AND TELL US IF I QUOTE IT WRONGLY, IF THIS VERSE DOES NOT TEACH US THAT GOD'S NAME IS JEHOVAH!
king James Version
Ps 83:18That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

You want to deny your bible, you refuse to quote what it says in that verse!

brocab:
If Dolhinheart believes in the bible fully-then explain why he doesn't believe in {John 1:1} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word God.

Stop lying , did I say I did not believe john1:1?, I've even quoted John 1: 1 to you in this thread!

brocab:
It is only a wonderful response to you-only because you have not been taught the Truth.
Ask your teacher-Dolhinheart why the JW's had twisted or removed so many scriptures from the Word Of God, ask Dolphinheart why the Watchtower wanted people like you, never to find the truth about God.
Now that, I could say will be a good response..

I ASK AGAIN, GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF SUCH REMOVAL!

johnw74:
Such a lie lie, It was God, it was the almighty, it was Jesus talking, John turned to see who it was talking to Him
and he saw one like "the son of man"

Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

You have deliberately removed parts of my post so as to try and hide the truth, you are good at removing scriptures from ones post cus it exposes you.
read rev 1: 1-6
If you had read those verses, you would have known that is was not Jesus that was talking in Rev 1: 8, it was God the almighty, who gave Jesus the revelation.

[b]2. You have added words to the verse rev 1: 8 reads : 
New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

New American Standard Bible 
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

International Standard Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," declares the Lord God, "the one who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty."

NET Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God--the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come--the All-Powerful! 


American Standard Version
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

English Revised Version
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, which is and which was and which is to come, the Almighty.[/b]

The translations of Rev 1:8 above shows their is a big difference between those translations and the KJV. This difference is what johnw74 is trying to hide by removing those translations when quoting me!. One cannot(after looking at those differences) deny the fact that a translation has twisted the original words of John. The question now is, which one of the translations has done so.
scholars had found the twister to be the KJV , it has been seen that the oldest and most reliable manuscripts does not contain the words added in the KJV, and that the KJV itself cannot defend it's source of those words.
If I ask that Johnw74 should defend the KJV and show how those words are in the manuscripts, he might not do so, I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Oh lying one, I copied and pasted the verse from the KJV

Rev 1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

but false jw, lying is what you do, always

I know you copied from the KJV, but where did the KJV get those words that are not present in most other translations from?

again, truly I copied and pasted from the KJV OH false accuser,
fancy false jw saying a Bible is adulterated when they, false jw, have removed "God" from John 1:1 and added "a god" in their adulterated book

Rev 1:11  Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. 

the Lake of Fire awaits all antichrists, twisters-changers of God's word.
Wherever the Bible shows that the Word-Jesus Christ is God, false lie lie jw change it.

Again you removed the scriptures I quoted to you, probably because they are true and its hurting you, hence you had to remove them when quoting my post.

New International Version
which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

English Standard Version
saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

New American Standard Bible 
saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."

International Standard Version
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

NET Bible
saying: "Write in a book what you see and send it to the seven churches--to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."
Those who use those translations should note what he said!

YOu made an accusation, saying that the word "God" was removed and replaced with "a god" in John 1:1, Is this true or just another one of your false accusations ? Let's see.

The word in contention in that verse is "theos" , now let's how the word is being translated.
let's look at strongs concordance
Strong's Concordance

theos: God, a god

Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Short Definition: God, a god
Definition: (a) God, (b) a god,[/u]generally.
LOOK AT THE UNDERLINED AND TELL US IF "THEOS" CANNOT BE TRANSLATED AS "A GOD"

LET'S LOOK AT ANOTHER
NAS Exhaustive Concordance

Word Origin
of uncertain origin
Definition
God, [u]a god
NOW PLS EXPLAIN HOW YOU BECAME MORE KNOWLEGEAGLE THAN THE SOURCES PROVIDED ABOVE.

I'm very sure you don't study, the Greek word "theos" is present in luke 20: 28, see the Greek text below(the Greek word for "theos" has been coloured in red)
Greek Text
Θεὸς δὲ οὐκ ἔστιν νεκρῶν ἀλλὰ ζώντων· πάντες γὰρ αὐτῷ ζῶσιν.

Now let's see the KJV translation of luke 20:28
King James Bible
For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.
JOHNW74, IT IS NOW LEFT FOR YOU TO TELL IF THE KJV REMOVED "God" AND REPLACED IT WITH "A God", CUSU IT'S THE SAME WORD "THEOS" THAT WAS TRANSLATED!

The scholars have proven your accusations to be false, it's now left to you to proof how the KJV translation of rev 1:8 and rev 1:11 is not false!

duh, how can one be so d--b

God gave revelation to Jesus, Jesus through His Angel gave it to John
Jesus gave revelation to John, it is Jesus talking to John and the Churches, not Father
when John turnerd to see who was speaking to Him
he saw "one like the Son of man"

part you removed: "Good, can you see that The son of man in the midst of the lampstand is different from the ancient of days who sits on the throne of God"
You cannot go against the above statement.

look at you own words again , " God gave revelation to jesus" , You could open your mouth and say such and yet you could believe that Jesus is God, the same God that gave Jesus the revelation, haba!
Is Jesus the God who gave Jesus the revelation? no! and the scriptures did not teach us so!
If Jesus could not be the angels or John who he gave the revelation to , I wonder how Jesus could now be God who gave the revelation to him!, God did not give himself the revelation or did he? PLS answer!

The questions where asked in a numbered format, but you know that answering the questions in the format it was asked will expose you.
1 who gave Jesus the revelation
2. did Jesus give himself the revelation
3. who did John call the one who gave Jesus the revelation.

all you do lie lie dolphinheart is lie and twist what the scriptures say

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

I've asked you to provide just one instance of such lie, you refused.

You lie lie dolphinheart do a very bad job of twisting and rejecting the Truth, and you believe your own lies

The scriptures clearly show that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega:

Jesus says "I am Alpha and Omega" and John adds "the Almighty"

false , it was God, the amighty, the one who is ,who was and who is to come that was speaking in rev 1:8, go and read rev 1:1-6 and understand better.

Jesus is speaking to John and the Churches, not Father:
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty

it was not Jesus speaking
this is why rev 1: 8 says :
New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

New American Standard Bible 
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

International Standard Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," declares the Lord God, "the one who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty."

NET Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God--the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come--the All-Powerful! 


American Standard Version
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

Previous verse John is talking of Jesus, "He was pierced":
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Good,Did you read the prophecies about jehovahs servant who will be pieced, that prophecy was about Jesus, who God exalted to his right side!

Jesus is speaking to John and the Churches, not Father:
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

haha! you deliberately jumped the verse after verse 8, cus it was not Jesus that was talking abi, bet if it was Jesus that was talking in the next verse, you would have used it!, you have quickly forgotten how many personalities John said the greetings where from, go and read verses 1- 6 and understand better., your refusal to read those verses is affecting you.

John turned and looked to see who was talking to Him:
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

John turned to see who was talking after God has talked and John himself had talked.
John when identifying who was talking did not call him God almighty, and surely not the ancient of days who the son of man approached I Daniels prophecy.
moreover Jesus was not sitting on the throne of God which God sits!

Again, Jesus is speaking to John and the Churches, not Father:
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Go and read the scriptures and know who was talking in each verse!, Jesus called himself the root of David, have you forgotten what jehovahs said about the root of David? The root of David is not jehovah!
Jesus also told you he is the bright morning star!, did you not read job chapter 38, expecially verse 7? how can you now call Jesus jehovah?

God gave Jesus the revelation, Jesus through His Angel gave it to John

It is Jesus talking to John, It is Jesus talking to the Churches, John saw "one like the son of man" talking

verse 14 "Blessed are they that do his(Father's) commandments,"
"his", Jesus is talking of the Father

Jesus said: "I am the Alpha and Omega" John added "the Almighty"

are you now saying that Jesus is the only one that talked to John? PLS answer o!

what rev 22:14 really says :
New International Version
"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.

English Standard Version
Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates.

New American Standard Bible 
Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
"Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates. 

International Standard Version
"How blessed are those who wash their robes so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city! 

NET Bible
Blessed are those who wash their robes so they can have access to the tree of life and can enter into the city by the gates.

American Standard Version
Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have the right to come to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.

Darby Bible Translation
Blessed [are] they that wash their robes, that they may have right to the tree of life, and that they should go in by the gates into the city.

English Revised Version
Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have the right to come to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.[/b]

johnw74:
false accuser dolphinheart

when will you stop crying

good to note that you and your brother don't share the same belief !

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

duh, theos means god, it usually refers to the one true God
but in greek if satan is called god then of course the word theos could be used
why because it means god, you still so confused

don't worry yourself if one of my brothers and I see some things diffrently
we don't worry about it, I for one have an open mind on what I don't know about
and continue to look into it

false jw have a closed mind, you are told what to believe.

good to note that you agreed that Satan is called theos

[quote author=solite3 post=51308904][/quote](learn how to quote)
no need to go round , the scriptures:
1. never said or thought us that jesus is jehovah, in fact, jehovah prophesied about jesus as his servant. jehovah did not send himself or did he?, I'd jehovah the servant of jehovah?

2.never at any point said that jesus is the almighty God, the one who is the almighty God is jehovah, he called jesus his servant, his son, his only begotten SON!

3. never ever said that jesus and the father are one God almighty, in fact no verse would you find where it is said that jesus and the father are one God, jesus identified the father as our God, the only true God, the disciples identified the father as the one God , the scriptures identified the father as the God of jesus and our God.

lion:
you fight reality cus it does not support your theory.
1. If a lion has a son, it automatically means we have two lions, not one lion. This throws out your trinity doctrine cus it says one God, not two God's. Therefore you can't use the theory of lion and his son to support trinity.

2. This lions are fully lions and are separate entities , even though they are both lions. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME LION!

3. when referring to the father lion and son lion together, you call the lions and not lion, these also throws out the trinity doctrine.

4. The father lion and his son have different minds, structure makeup, expedience e.t.c.
Even though they are both lions , they do not wake and eat at the same time, neither do they have equal strength even though both are strong!

5. The son of a lion can have all the abilities of a lion, but it does not have the same ability as it's father!
in the case of jess, he has told you where all his power, abilities and training come from , it comes from his father, GOD.
Jesus is the son of God, he is a god, just like the son of lion is a lion, jesus is not the same person as the God he is a son of, just as the lions son is not the same lion with the lion it is a son of!

taurus25:
Tracing the geneologies from genesis to the modern day gives roughly 6000 years.

good, but it did not say the earth was created 6000 years ago!

johnw74:
More facts people should know about false jw:


false jw say the Alpha and Omega is not Jesus it is God,
well they are wrong with the first part and right with the second part
Alpha and Omega is Jesus is God


Jesus says "I am Alpha and Omega" and John adds "the Almighty"

Rev 1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty

1. It Was God , the almighty that was talking and not jesus, read rev 1: 1-6

2. You have added words to the verse rev 1: 8 reads :
[b]New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

New American Standard Bible 
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

International Standard Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," declares the Lord God, "the one who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty."

NET Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God--the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come--the All-Powerful! 


American Standard Version
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

English Revised Version
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, which is and which was and which is to come, the Almighty.[/b]

SOME HAVE ADDED WORDS TO THEIR BIBLE SO AS TO USE IT TO SUPPORT FALSE TEACHINGS, AND WHEN ASKED THE SOURCE OF THOSE WORDS, THEY REFUSE TO SHOW IT!

Previous verse John is talking of Jesus, "He was pierced":
Rev 1:7  Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

1. yes, verse 7 was talking about Jesus, Jehovah had prophesied about the piecing of his servant, Jesus , the one who he exalted and who received the revelation from him!

Jesus further says:
Rev 1:11  Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

again, more adulteration of the scriptures by elements who wanted to insert false teachings by force, this is what verse 11 says:

New International Version
which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

English Standard Version
saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

New American Standard Bible 
saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."

International Standard Version
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

NET Bible
saying: "Write in a book what you see and send it to the seven churches--to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."[/b]

John turned and looked to see who was talking to Him:
Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

Good, can you see that The son of man in the midst of the lampstand is different from the ancient of days who sits on the throne of God

Again this is Jesus speaking:
Rev 22:12  And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 
Rev 22:13  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14  Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 
Rev 22:15  For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. 
Rev 22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

In most of those verses, it was God and not Jesus speaking.

Another thing false jw say:
God sent "Jesus His Angel" to testify to John the things in the Churches"

however the above verse 16 shows "Jesus" sent "His Angel"

Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

false jw twist-lie on so much of the Bible-God's word.

I look forward to the day when I see all antichrists thrown into the Lake of Fire:
Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

plus answer,
1 who gave Jesus the revelation
2. did Jesus give himself the revelation
3. who did John call the one who gave Jesus the revelation
answers to those questions will help you understand revelation better!

solite3:
your view does not matter only what the scripture says.
Jesus is Jehovah God Almighty not a god. Jesus and his Father are one God Almighty.
You cant believe the son of a lion should be another animal. So the son of Almighty God is Almighty God.

lies, the scriptures never made any of the above statements.
It never said Jesus is Jehovah
it never said Jesus is almighty God
it never said jesus and the father are one God almighty

the son of lion is a lion
he is not the same lion as his father, but a different lion, no matter the similarities he has with his father.
they are two lions, not one lion, each with his own mind, feets and needs.

achorladey:
Brocab: This is something the JW's don't believe-so how can you lie against the truth, and quote
{John 3:16} when you know in your hearts the JW's partly believe in the Word of God.
Achorladey: Questions for Dolphinheart, Barrister 07, Jozzy4.........Do you believe in the Bible partly? (Yes, No, Uncertain).

No., I believe it fully

brocab:
So is "Jehovah" God's name?

King James Version
Ps 83:18That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.


check you bible and see if the above words are true, if it can be found it the bible you believe in, why don't you believe it!

brocab:
Quoting {John 3:16} won't do-listen to the scripture-those who believe in Me. Which means we have accepted Christ fully in our hearts, mind and soul.
Which means we have accepted "His truth" also means every word that God had written, we believe.
This is something the JW's don't believe-so how can you lie against the truth, and quote {John 3:16} when you know in your hearts the JW's partly believe in the Word of God.
{2 Timothy 3:16} All scriptures is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for instruction in righteousness.
Every word belongs to the lord. And what does the JW's do? They have either twisted or removed, His word from the bible completely.
{Matthew 4:4} Jesus answered and said: it is written man shall not live by bread alone "But by every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God".
{John 12:48-49} He that rejected Me, and receive not "MY WORDS" has that which judges him, the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken on My own Authority, but the Father who sent Me, gave Me a command, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Which of course the JW's had removed the Words given by the "Father" and replaced them with either another doctrine or removed them completely.
Another Sample {John 1:1} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
{John 3:16} Say's whoever believe in "HIM" shall not perish but have ever lasting life.
Which means you lay down your life for Him, as He had laid down His life for you.

Give an example of one verse that was removed from the scriptures, and prove that the words of that verse really existed, that the author really penned those words.

solite3:
Jehovah witness cannot defend their teachings

I have not seen a witness that could stand up and defend their ideology.
what is happening?
Dolphinheart has exhusted his/her lies
Catholics are more united than witnesses plus they have more members, more organised and engage in more humanitarian services. Jehovah witness do not even come close.

GO AND EDIT THAT POST SO THAT I CAN SEE YOUR FULL WORDS WHEN QUOTING YOU IN RESPONSE!

achorladey:
A general question to those still on the thread, According to Jesus' words in
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Do the JWs need to view Jesus as Almighty God before gaining everlasting life.
A. Yes B. No. C. Uncertain D. Don't know.

Please I don't need proof for the answers. The question is self explanatory enough.
Feel free to drop your answers Dolphinheart, Jozzy4, Brocab, Solite3, Johnw74,.......

the answer is B, moreover, no scripture teaches us that Jesus is almighty God.
The scriptures teaches us that Jesus is sent by the one who described himself as the almighty God, and we all know that the almighty God did not send himself.
We also know that Jesus is subjected to someone, and it is a fact that the almighty God is not subjected to anyone.
We also know that Jesus is at the right side of God, pleading on our behalf, Jesus does not plead to himself, the almighty God does not plead to himself or any one, as long as Jesus pleads, it means he is not almighty God!

Jozzy4:
lol, they are not of the same mind . what happen in their case is exactly like what happen to our Lord Jesus Christ.

Herod and Pilate are not really friends , but they became friend because both see Jesus as a common enemy . u get the logic ,


Good work bro . thumbs up


I pray Jehovah continue to strengthen you

yo are right , thanks and amen.

brocab:
No one has proving you anything-in your case like always you are Blind as you are, and blind, you will stay-Did I not say the Word is God, are you still confuse about {John 1:1} Reading all {Proverbs sounds better from 8:1-36}
Not one, none from your organisation knows the truth-only because the truth isn't in you-we have repeatedly explained scripture after scripture, verse after verse-and still none of the JW's can say the truth stands, as the Lord had directed it to be.
Instead you have all tried to turn the word of God against itself.

very simple question, you refuse to answer, I did not ask you if the the word is God, I simply asked you the question:  , BROCAB, ARE THE THE VERSES(PRO 8: 22-30) REFERING TO Jesus?

brocab:
The god of this world is you, and your father is the devil-haven't you not heard of this saying, father like son.

I'm not the one that that scripture calls the God of this world , so answer the simple question you are afraid to answer, who is the god of this world? , remember the Greek word for god their is theos!

brocab:
{My say, this is how I see {Genesis 3:1-24} Had you noticed, Adam and the Lord God-had a long conversation-without looking at each other.
Verse 10 Adam explained why he hid himself, after the Lord God said where are you Adam, Adam heard the Lord God walking in the garden.

keep on digging holes for yourself, when the scriptures make plain simple statements, you refuse to see it the way the scriptures tell you it is, you just alter it to suit your false teachings
did Adam say he saw God? no!
did the scriptures say Adam saw God, no!
so why do you now believe that Adam saw God?

In a bid to hide vital words in the those verses you refused to quote them fully, you are so full of dubious behavoir, did Adam say he heard the Lord God walking in the garden as you wrote above? no
[b]King James Version
Ge 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

King James Version
Ge 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden,[/u]and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself

brocab, must you see God when you hear his voice or when you are talking to him, if no is your answer, then why do you insist that Adam saw God.
sometimes you create your questions out of personal beliefs which are not from the scriptures!

But the scriptures tells us no-one had seen God at anytime-and by Verse 10 the Lord God had found him.

seems you do not believe john's statement that no one has seen God at anytime!
john further identified and differenciated jesus from the God that no one has seen, that's why you could not quote the whole John 1:18

jehovah himself said :
King James Version
Ex 33:20And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

But men, women, children saw jesus, and yet you believe that jesus is jehovah.

It still baffles me when you read( if you read) where jehovah prophesied that he will send his servant, yet you believe that jehovah did not send his servant , but sent himself!

If Adam didn't see the Lord God walking in the Garden, but only heard the Lord God, Then I must ask, why would Adam Hide? God is Spirit and His Spirit roamed across the face of the Earth! By the sounds of this, Adam didn't hide from someone Adam couldn't see" He hid himself from someone he could see. No-one can hide from God, He see's and knows everything, even before we say or do anything.

fortunately, you are not adam, and Adam gave the reason why he hide himself, he was afraid because he was naked!

brocab, if you know someone can see you, but you cannot see him, would that prevent you from trying to hide if you feel the need to?
Thank god you live in a modern world, you are well aware of the fact that even humans can communicate with each other, hearing each others voice, and still not see each other!

But you see it, the way you see it fit-matter of fact Dolphinheart just read it in black and white, this, maybe way beyond your mentality, to even think while you read through the scriptures.

the scriptures tell you that no one has seen God at anytime, the scriptures tells you that no one can see God and live, yet you paint Adams story with colours just because the black and white did not tell you that Adam saw God, can you see where your problem lies? you create thoughts and refuse to adjust it even when it contradicts what the scripture tells you in plain simple manner.

Verses 21-22 The Lord God had even made tunic's of Skin and cloth them-of course both parties had their eye's closed.
And the Lord God said behold the man has become as One of Us, so by your own recognition, Please explain-does "Us" only mean "One"-or does it mean "Two or many"Or was Adam a Man or was he a Spirit like One of Us, Or was Adam both Spirit and Man
{Corinthians 15: 45-49} Shouldn't be a problem..

God was talking to other spirit creatures in heaven, those knowing good and bad!, and their a lot of them, they are the "us" , so it does not matter if you are human or spirit, it's your knowledge that determines if you are in the "us", not your nature!

God could make anything without the man being present!, he could even create it in front of them without them seing him!

johnw74:
Worry about yourself, my post is to you lie lie dolphinheart
not to brocab

seems you and you brother don't share the same beliefs, hence you don't want talk about it it!

johnw74:
duh, yes the theos of this world, your god

It is not yahweh as you believe


2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

We see here that those whose minds are blinded, are they who believe not, and because they believe not, their minds continue in darkness, and are easy subjects for Satan to work on.

It is satan that doesn't want people to know the glorious gospel of Christ, not Yahweh

Good that you agree that there are more than one theos, one of your brothers does not agree to that!

taurus25:
It is impossible for the earth to have existed for just 6000 years. This alone makes everything written in the bible trash.

Evolution have been withnessed. Yes, you heard right, but disshonest and unelightened people call it micro evolution, even though it follows essentially thesame principle and is not even really differentiated from macroevolution biologically.

Not only this, evolution is backed by overwhelming evidences from past discoveries to very modern day observations.

Evolution happens, whether you like it or not, species didnt all appear magically 6000 years ago.

who said the earth has existed for just 6000 years.

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

duh, have you just noticed that I don't answer most of your repeated confusion lies false accusations twisting etc etc

duh again, satan, your father, your god, is the god of this world

duh duh again, theos means god, satan is the god of this world,
does that clear up your confusion?


2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Mat 4:8  Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Mat 4:9  And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 

false jw dolphinheart thinks Yahweh is the god of this world

lie lie your god satan is the god of this world


God will become God of this World when Jesus Christ returns defeating satan and you his followers:

Rev_11:15  And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

so satan is a theos! good.

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

of course those verses are referring to Wisdom-the Word who became Jesus Christ
I told you that long long many moons ago lie lie
the only truths you know are those told you by Christians, most you don't believe

you are so un knowledgeable that you don't even know that the Word is God

an antichrist say's that the Word is "a god"
an antichrist says that "God and the Word is a two headed god"

referring to my God "God and the Word" you said lie lie dolphinheart

"your god is a two headed god"

John said God and the Word is God:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

such a pharisee blasphemer antichrist you are oh lying one

does brocab agree with you, does he agree that those verses is referring to jesus?