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solite3:
author=dolphinheart post=52271869]

@ bold so that chapter has false views? What are the false views? Is the bible no longer inspired or it is just views





you are not attending to issues raised.
How come the writer uses the same psalm 102 that was used to address Jehovah to address Jesus?
I remember in one of your post when you said Jehovah just used Jesus to create things but Jesus is NEVER said to be the one who made all things. Well, haven't you been proven wrong?

Yes Jesus is the Master worker you have said it All.




this you have said my friend shows just how dangerous watch tower brainwashing can be.
The bible does not give room for this absurdities.

Read again slowly
Ps 102:25-27Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth, And the heavens[b] are the work of your hands[/b].26They will perish, but you will remain; Just like a garment they will all wear out. Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away.27But you are the same, and your years will never end.
the scripture didn't just say the heavens and earth are his works but the work of his hands.

Using your analogy, can you tell your friends that your house is the work of your hands?



yes, is it not bibilical? Yet you couldn't fault it.

1. I did not say the chapter has false views , look at what I said again :
solite3, if you read those scriptures without trying to understand the context and what the the bible says in its entirety, you will come to the false understandING you are trying to potray .

2. It should be noted that you tried to omit yourself from answering the question asked, this question is vital to understandING Hebrews chapter 1:
[b] First of all, who is talking in that verse? and who does that person say he is in relation to Jesus? The answers to those questions which I will expect that you will not provide when you reply(let's see if you will prove me wrong ) will help you to understand what that verse is saying.

you proved me right again by refusing to answer that question.

3. You refuse to respond to this statement and verses:
[b]you have read the relationship the person talking in that verse and Jesus when it comes to creation, earliar that same chapter had cleared Any false views of what it will say later , look at heb 1: 1-2.
Heb 1:1 Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways
Heb 1:2 Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.

4. I am attending to the issue raised I'm telling how the quote of psalms 102: 25-27 can be applied to Jesus in Hebrews 1: 10-12 when the psalm says that it is addressed to God. The answer is that it is because the Son is the one through whom God performed the creative works there described by the psalmist. (See Colossians 1:15, 16; Proverbs 8:22, 27-30.)
It should be observed in Hebrews 1:5b that a quotation is made from 2 Samuel 7:14 and applied to the Son of God. Although that text had its first application to Solomon, the later application of it to Jesus Christ does not mean that Solomon and Jesus are the same. Jesus is “greater than Solomon” and carries out a work foreshadowed by Solomon.—Luke 11:31.

5. It is evident that in Hebrew chapter one, the God that the writer is refering to as saying all this is not Jesus.

6. pls you need to support your statement with facts, pls show where I made the statement you claimed you remembered I made.

7. It is good that you accepted that Jesus is the one being referred to in proverbs 8: 30, your brother brocab refuses to accept, hope you will teach him that truth.
I also hope you accept the other things said about Jesus in that chapter.
The verse said, I was beside him as a master worker, hope you understand that statement?

8. yes I can tell my friends that the foundation where the works of my own hands , the bricklayer can say the same thing, it is left for the listener to understand the statement , it does not mean the bricklayer and the owner are same person.
A similar expression was used by Solomon , let's read it
Ec 2:4 I undertook great works. I built houses for myself; I planted vineyards for myself.
Ec 2:5I made gardens and parks for myself, and I planted in them all sorts of fruit trees.
Ec 2:6I made pools of water for myself, to irrigate a grove of flourishing trees.
* you can continue reading to verse 11

In reverence to verse 4, 1Ki 7:1 says : And it took Solʹo·mon 13 years to build his own house, until his whole house was completed.
The scriptures above says Solomon built his own house, Solomon said he undertook great works and built his house. We all know that despite this statement by Solomon, we could not say he physically built the house by himself , we all know he employed people to build his house for him. despite this well known facts that Solomon employed workers to build his house for him, look at what he said in verse 12
Ec 2:11 But when I reflected on all the works that MY OWN HANDS had done and on all the hard work that I had toiled to accomplish, I saw that everything was futile, a chasing after the wind; there was nothing of real value under the sun.

now let me ask you solite3, did Solomon say he accomplished those works he mentioned earlier with his own hands? does it mean he physically did the construction? pls answer , you are the one who brought up the issue of own hand as if it negates the lay man's example I gave you.

9. you did not respond to this question :
You are very confused , so Jesus was God that was talking in those verses of Hebrew chapter 1?

10. IF you believe you said something biblical and you want me to know or respond, pls mention me when you say it.

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

you should re read your posts, but then you would be blinded to all of your confusion everywhere


you say some of "the first and last verses" are Jesus talking because He was the first resurrected
and you say some of the Alpha Omega verses are Father God talking


Here Jesus say's He is the first and last:
Rev 22:13  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


You lie lie say this is Father God:
Rev 1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Alpha and Omega of course is Greek for "the first and the last"
is Father God also the first resurrected? ha ha

no, the testimony of Revelation is the testimony of Jesus Christ.


"the Alpha and Omega" "the first and the last" "the beginning and the ending:
all mean the same thing

duh dum dolph

[b]rev 1:8

New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

New Living Translation
"I am the Alpha and the Omega--the beginning and the end," says the Lord God. "I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come--the Almighty One."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Berean Study Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, who is and was and is to come--the Almighty.

Berean Literal Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says Lord God, the One being, and who was, and who is coming, the Almighty.

New American Standard Bible 
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Holman Christian Standard Bible
I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "the One who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty." 

International Standard Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," declares the Lord God, "the one who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty."

NET Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God--the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come--the All-Powerful! 

New Heart English Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
I am The Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
"I am the A and the Z," says the Lord God, the one who is, the one who was, and the one who is coming, the Almighty. 

New American Standard 1977 
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

American Standard Version
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

Darby Bible Translation
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith [the] Lord God, he who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.

English Revised Version
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, which is and which was and which is to come,

Weymouth New Testament
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "He who is and was and evermore will be--the Ruler of all."

World English Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."[/b]

THE BEST AND OLDEST AVAILABLE MANUSCRIPTS DO NOT HAVE THE WORDS "BEGINNING AND ENDING" IN REV 1:8, PLS TELL US WHICH MANUSCRIPT DID YOUR BIBLE USE TO GET THOSE WORDS IT ADDED?

WE KNOW IT WAS GOD WHO GAVE JESUS THE REVELATION
Re 1:1 A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John,

WE know Jesus is not the God who gave him the revelation, in fact in revelation he Called that God " my God".

We also know that from examinING revelation 1: 4-6 , the one who is who was and who is to come is not Jesus as much as Jesus is not the seven spirits.

brocab:
Listen to this solite3 and Johnw74
Dolphinheart it seems you aren't tuned in very well when it comes to the scriptures, the NWT Bible {Matthew 1:20-23} tells us clearly who Im-man-u-el is, the angel appeared to Joseph and said, do not be afraid and take "Mary" home for what has been conceived in Her is the Holy Spirit.

you know who Immanuel really is? , now pls tell us, was the first Immanuel in Isaiahs prophecy God? Go and read the prophecy and see how it was first fulfilled!

{V's 21} She will give birth to a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.
{V's 22} All this actually came about to fulfill what was spoken by Jehovah" through His prophets-saying-Look!
{V's 23}The Virgin will become pregnant and will give birth to a Son, and they will call Him Im-man-u-el which means, when translated
"With us is God.
What this means Dolphinheart the prophesy is fulfilled.
Listen to the prophets they seen the future before it happened, God revealed who the virgin is' and who Jesus is to the prophets beforehand.
A true believer knows the Old Testament are full of prophesies that happened, and still more to come.
Trying to work this out in your own mind doesn't suit my mentally-Dolphinheart the scriptures tells us the truth-not your mental state of mind..
I suppose this is why you can't accept { John 1:1 "or" 1 Timothy 3:16}

go and read the scriptures shown to you brocab, you will understand better, that Jesus bears the name Immanuel does not mean that Jesus is God,
we all know that God was with jesus, telling him what to do and say and giving him the power to do so!.

The words I told you are not false, but truth:


[b]Paul did not say "god was manifest in flesh, Paul did not use the Greek word " theos"

go and read the prophecy, go and read it's first fulfillment, come back and tell us if that first child called I'mmanuel is God. 

God's son became flesh and took on the likeness of men, that's what the scriptures teaches.
The scriptures teaches that God sent his son, not himself to become flesh, so God did not become flesh, his son became flesh and dwelt with mankind!

With this foremost representative of Jehovah among mankind, Matthew under inspiration could truly say, “With Us Is God.”
Jesus at various times during his life on earth told us how God was using him among mankind. 



Who Was Immanuel?
Some names of individuals in the Bible were prophetic and describe the work the person would do. For example, the prophet Isaiah was inspired to write: “Look! The maiden herself will actually become pregnant, and she is giving birth to a son, and she will certainly call his name Immanuel.” (Isaiah 7:14) This name means “With Us Is God.” Some Bible commentators have tried to link the first fulfillment of this prophecy with one of the Israelite kings or one of Isaiah’s sons. However, the Gospel writer Matthew showed that Isaiah’s prophecy was completely fulfilled in Jesus.—Matthew 1:22, 23.

Some have claimed that by applying the name Immanuel to Jesus, the Bible teaches that Jesus is God. However, by this logic the young man Elihu, who comforted and corrected Job, was also God. Why? His name means “My God Is He.”

Jesus never claimed to be God. (John 14:28; Philippians 2:5, 6) But he did reflect his Father’s personality perfectly, and he fulfilled all of God’s promises regarding the Messiah. (John 14:9; 2 Corinthians 1:20) The name Immanuel well describes Jesus’ role as the Messianic Seed, a descendant of David, the one who proves that God is with those who worship Him.

God sent Jesus to save his Faithfull ones. God spoke to us through a son( heb 1 : 1,2), Jesus tells us that the father told him what to say! and gave his sheep to him.[/b]

brocab, in Nigeria here, the southwest people have a name they give to their children, the name is " oluwapelumi", it means " God is with me"
We all know that though the child bears that name,it does not mean that the parents think that the child is God!
names have deeper meanings than to look it at face value, the isrealites understand this too when they add God to their names. There is a son of heman called eliathah, his name means "GOD HAS COME" , brocab, does it mean the son of heman is God cus his name means God has come?, If you could answer this question(though I know you will not), then you will understand better about names.

brocab:
Since the KJV is only a favoured to you-when {Psalms 83:18, Exodus 6:3} is written Jehovah, but you won't accept the KJV which wrote God was manifest in the flesh.
But your bible accepts, "Mary" had a Son {Matthew 1:20-23} His name shall be called Im-man-u-el meaning when translated "With us is God" this is hypocritical on your behalf, it has me wondering why your bible has this information written down, if you yourself don"t believe it's true.
Does this mean your bible scholars are lying?
Or maybe you are lying-because their is no truth found in you..

YOU WILL DO AND SAY ANYTHING TO AVOID ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS, I DID NOT ASK YOU WHO DID KJV FAVOURS, OR DONT YOU WANT TO ANSWER BECAUSE YOU THINK THOSE VERSES FROM THE KJV FAVOURS ME?

up till now you refuse to answer this questions cus it will prove your above statement as false and will show you are a liar, thus you avoid answering those simple questions.
1. what bible translation(s) are you using?
2. Is your bible translation printed by the jw?
3. can you quote psalms 83: 18 and exodus 6:3 from that verse?
4. do you accept how your translation translated those verses?

If you answer those questions your lies become evident, if you refuse to, your dubious nature becomes more evident!

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

Revelation is the testimony of Jesus Christ, not Father God:
Rev 1:2  Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Chris, and of all things that he saw.

Jesus testified:
Rev 1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending
John added:
the Almighty

John heard a voice behing him saying:
Rev 1:11 I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

John turned to see who was speaking and saw one like the Som of man:
Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man

Jesus said:
Fear not; I am the first and the last: 
Rev 1:18  I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. 
Rev 1:19  Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; 
Rev 1:20  The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Jesus speaking:
Rev 22:7  Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Rev 22:12  And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 
Rev 22:13  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 

Rev 22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Rev 22:20  He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. 


Jesus Himself made it clear more than once that it is He the Alpha and Omega that is talking, but you antichrist dolphinheart
say those Alpha and Omega verses are Jesus, but the Rev 1:8 Alpha and Omega verse is Yahweh.
That's ridiculous, especially with John saying that Revelation is the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Even if all the Alpha and Omega verses were Jesus talking except for the Alpha Omega verse 8 being Yahweh
then that would show that Yahweh the alpha and Omega is Jesus the Alpha and Omega,
so either way your lies fail you.


You way heap big lie lie antichrist dolphinheart.

Do you even notice all the things you get wrong?
yes you do because you either don't reply to them, or you twist everything around in confusion,
yet you love to continue in your lies oh phony one.

you should know by now that I will not resort to your mode of discussion, only people who cannot respond to certain things will erase such things when responding to somethings post.
This issue you raised above has been responded to by me more than once!, you could not respond to it but decided to erase it when quoting me.
If you had left my post in full out resorting to removing certain scriptures and explanations, you will have see the truth. As long as you use this method to any of my post, I will not respond to you, I'll assume that the parts you erased are true, thus you could not respond to them!

brocab:
What do I know about God's name, the Last time I looked in my bible-God has many fruitful names, Jehovah is Just one.

which one of those names did God directly tell you "this is my name"?

You must show me where you believe you have been teaching me? Maybe your mistaken-finely for once in your life, you are actually reading the Word of God, and this must rip you apart every time from the inside out-just picking up the bible would be a great struggle for you, But reading the truth isn't really what you expected, you really believed we Christians will listen to you-knowing you had signed your life away to "A" god-not the God we know.

have I not thought you what psalms 83: 18 says, where we were told God's name?
pls check and study the definition of the Greek word "theos" , I've posted it earlier!

So we have {Luke 1:31} that's written in the NWT Bible, and we have {Matthew 1:23} written in the NWT Bible as well, are you preferring that the NWT Bible is lying when both have said the Son's name will be called Im-man-u-el or Jesus "meaning "With us is God" just as your bible had written He is?

the bible does not lie, and I've explained those verses to you.

on Luke 1:31 , this is what I said :
" like I said, I was beginning to suspect you know little about the name jehovah, you just comfirmed it. I will not teach you further , but I will leave a clue, go and read the 1611 edition of the KJV, post what luke 1: 31 says here, tell us how that translation spelt the name of the son of God in that verse and why you , a defender of that 1611 translation do not spell the name in that manner!

your refusal to quote that verse from the 1611 version and explain why you don't spell the name in like manner will show how deep into falsehood you really are!"

YOU HAVE REFUSED TO DO SO, YOU AGAIN SHOW DEEP IN FALSEHOOD YOU ARE ANYTIME YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER CUS YOU KNOW IT EXPOSES YOU.

How much do I know about Iehouah or Iehovah these were also named after alters and places Abraham or Gideon had built.
And if Jehovah was really God's name Abraham wouldn't dare to build an Image, let alone bow down to one-that is forbidden to do..
{Exodus 20:4} God said you shall not make any images in Heaven on Earth or under the earth.
And yet it seems Jehovahjireh and Jehovahshalom were made in Jehovah's image..

broad is this (below) the verse you are referring to? if it is ,then you confirm more and more that you know little about jehovah!

gen 13:4
King James Bible
Unto the place of the altar, which he had made there at the first: and there Abram called on the name of the LORD.

The questions one needs to ask you is
. where did the scripture say Abraham built an image.?
even if God's name is not jehovah, would that make it right for Abraham to build and image for worship?
did Abraham build an image for worship?

solite3:
I want dolphinheart and all other witnesses to read heb 1:10-12 and psalm 102:25-27.

Ps 102:25-27Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth, And the heavens are the work of your hands.26They will perish, but you will remain; Just like a garment they will all wear out. Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away.27But you are the same, and your years will never end.

Heb 1:10-12And: “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands.11They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out,12and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”

solite3, if you read those scriptures without trying to understand the context and what the the bible says in its entirety, you will come to the false understandING you are trying to potray .
first of all, who is talking in that verse? and who does that person say he is in relation to Jesus? The answers to those questions which I will expect that you will not provide when you reply(let's see if you will prove me wrong ) will help you to understand what that verse is saying.
you have read the relationship the person talking in that verse and Jesus when it comes to creation, earliar that same chapter had cleared Any false views of what it will say later , look at heb 1: 1-2.
Heb 1:1Long ago God spoke to our forefathers by means of the prophets on many occasions and in many ways
Heb 1:2Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.

solite3 did you read those verses before getting to verse 12? do you understand what it says?
God spoke to mankind through prophets in time past( Ex 24:3, Nu 12:8, Jer 7:25 )

God later spoke to mankind through his son Jesus (Mt 17:5)

God used his son Jesus to create the world.
can you see how Jesus was involved in creation, he saw used by God, his father to create.
We can find further explanation in the scriptures below
1Co 8:6there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
can you see how the scriptures described Jesus role in the creation? that is why the scriptures describe Jesus as God's master worker.

[b]Pr 8:30 Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;

let ,everyone give a lay man's example, if I asked a bricklayer to lay the foundation of a house , after he does so, I tell my friends and family that I've layed the foundation of my house, do you think I'm wrong to say so? Please answer O,

the bricklayer meets another client and that client ask him, have you layed any foundation before? The bricklayer says yes and after showing him the foundation I I asked him to lay said "I layed that foundation" , do you think the bricklayer is wrong to say that? pls answer O.

Both I and the bricklayer both said we layed the foundation, a discerning mind will not just turn and conclude that I and the bricklayer are the same person, he will try to understand why we both said so, this you had failed to do when it comes to creation!

Those verses are a proof that Jesus is Jehovah God, here the creation of the heavens and the earth is attributed to Jehovah in psalm 102 but in Hebrew 1 it is attributed to Jesus.

Since the scriptures told us that only Jehovah created the heavens and the earth then Jesus is Jehovah God.

You are very confused , so Jesus was God that was talking in those verses of Hebrew chapter 1?

Jehovah is a trinue being consisting of three persons.
Each of this person is Jehovah Almighty but different persons.
You can read up my post to understand the trinity.

Jesus is Jehovah God!
Happy Christmas

This is false doctrine.
Jesus sits beside the almighty God, exalted by the almighty God, subjected to the almighty God. Jesus is not the almighty God.
We have only one Almighty God , not three almighty God's talking to each other.

If you want me to reply your post,mention me in it.

brocab:
You are arguing over a name that not even you can prove Jehovah is God's rightful name.

I've talked about the name Jehovah and why people who speak English (including the kjv) use it.

I would have to accept it, if you had corrected the name out from the 1611 which wrote Iehovah in its bible-the switch may have been done when the KJV was printed on your pressors-like the American Standard bible, the other bibles that were switch in this matter.

up till now you refuse to answer this questions cus it will prove your above statement as false and will show you are a liar, thus you avoid answering those simple questions.
1. what bible translation(s) are you using?
2. Is your bible translation printed by the jw?
3. can you quote psalms 83: 18 and exodus 6:3 from that verse?
4. do you accept how your translation translated those verses?

If you answer those questions your lies become evident, if you refuse to, your dubious nature becomes more evident!

On top of all that, who gives a hoot about how you feel and what are your thoughts about this issue, you can't change the word of God while its already been written.

who told you to care about how I feel.

If it says "He or God is manifest in the flesh, its the same to me, my mind heart and soul knows everything God has written is the truth. And everybody that changes or removes the scriptures is already condemned.

Get this brocab, their is no "if it says" about that verse, their is no probability? Paul did not make two sentences, he only made one, he did not write "God", he wrote "he". If you feel that that he is God , no problem, but it's a grevious sin to now go and try to alter what Paul said because of your beliefs!
Paul did not use the Greek word "theos" in that verse!

Your problem is, you can't understand it only because you refuse Jesus-you believe Jesus is Michael in the flesh. With this sort of teaching I myself would be confused too, no wonder you are all over the place when you are trying to turn the word of God against itself.

cant understand what, the questions I've asked you that you refuse to answer or the scriptures I shown you that you try to ignore.

So I would go back to the bases, and read the bible myself, if I couldn't find the truth in your bible-i would search the scriptures and find my findings elsewhere-I have already found scriptures in your bible-that not even you, nor your comrades believe.
Which proves-you should be searching the scriptures, {Matthew 1:23} would be a good example to search, not even you believe The virgin had a son and His name is Im-man-u-el which means when translated "With us is God"
Of course you would rather prefer if the scripture said With us is "A" god.
Which of course is different to your bible beliefs.
I would be searching the scriptures to prove how wrong your teachings are, even if I had to risk my serves with the JW's.
I always believe the truth will set us free..

yes, the truth will set us free, go and read what I told you about Immanuel.

brocab:
YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, are you still confused how is God's name pronounce "YHWH" the 1611 bible wrote Iehovah no "J" was mentioned, and you are trying to prove to me Jehovah is God's rightful name
LAIR.........................................................................................................

1. God's name is not pronounced "YHWH"
2. PLS show where I said the 1611 edition said jehovah.
3. do you know the difference between Iehovah and jehovah? I surely don't thing so.

like I said, I was beginning to suspect you know little about the name jehovah, you just comfirmed it. I will not teach you further , but I will leave a clue, go and read the 1611 edition of the KJV, post what luke 1: 31 says here, tell us how that translation spelt the name of the son of God in that verse and why you , a defender of that 1611 translation do not spell the name in that manner!

your refusal to quote that verse from the 1611 version and explain why you don't spell the name in like manner will show how deep into falsehood you really are!

brocab, you are desperately trying to run away from the issue again, we are talking about 1 tI 3 :16. you can change the topic all you like but listen to what I told you about that verse :

[b]"When it comes to translation, one word is not as good as the other, if the wrong or different word is used, it will give a different meaning. The Greek word used by Paul means "he", it does not mean "God". There is a greek word for God and Paul did not use it in that verse.

If I asked that a letter I've written should be copied and the one who copied it make a mistake in one or two words or sentences in that letter, I do not condemn the whole letter, I'll just make corrections where the mistake are made. likewise the kjv, I do not condemn the kjv as a whole, but I try to make sure that the verse I'm quoting is as accurate as possible. If i feel a verse is wrongly or falsely translated, I state it and give reasons why!. Thank God we can all check the manuscripts and try to decipher which translation is correct when two bible translations give different sentences and meaning in the same verse.

haba!, you never stay in one place, always changing your beliefs, you just said how the Hebrew word for Lord was substituted for God's name by those who were afraid. you initially claimed the word " jehovah is a mispeling, now you accept it's a name used for God. 

Paul did not say "god was manifest in flesh, Paul did not use the Greek word " theos"!

brocab:
Its funny the JW's make me laugh always, every time you write something Dolphinheart nothing makes sense. Don't you ever study your own bible?
This is what is say's in {Matthew 1:23} From the NWT bible
{Matthew 1:23} "Look a virgin will become pregnant, and will give birth to a son, and they will name him Im-man-u-el which means when translated With us is God..

good, you are learning the truth small small, did the verse say Mary will give birth to God, no it says she will give birth to a son WHOSE NAME WILL BE WHEN TRANSLATED " WITH US IS GOD".

go and read the prophecy, go and read it's first fulfillment, come back and tell us if that first child called I'mmanuel is God.

And yet they don't believe God is manifest in the flesh

God's son became flesh and took on the likeness of men, that's what the scriptures teaches.
The scriptures teaches that God sent his son, not himself to become flesh, so God did not become flesh, his son became flesh and dwelt with mankind!

With this foremost representative of Jehovah among mankind, Matthew under inspiration could truly say, “With Us Is God.”
jesus at various times during his life on earth told us how God was using him among mankind.

And your own bible believes {Matthew 1:23} has all the answers, hypocritical on your behave isn't it..
The NWT Bible say's "With us is God" "Meaning Im-man-u-el"

Who Was Immanuel?

Some names of individuals in the Bible were prophetic and describe the work the person would do. For example, the prophet Isaiah was inspired to write: “Look! The maiden herself will actually become pregnant, and she is giving birth to a son, and she will certainly call his name Immanuel.” (Isaiah 7:14) This name means “With Us Is God.” Some Bible commentators have tried to link the first fulfillment of this prophecy with one of the Israelite kings or one of Isaiah’s sons. However, the Gospel writer Matthew showed that Isaiah’s prophecy was completely fulfilled in Jesus.—Matthew 1:22, 23.

Some have claimed that by applying the name Immanuel to Jesus, the Bible teaches that Jesus is God. However, by this logic the young man Elihu, who comforted and corrected Job, was also God. Why? His name means “My God Is He.”

Jesus never claimed to be God. (John 14:28; Philippians 2:5, 6) But he did reflect his Father’s personality perfectly, and he fulfilled all of God’s promises regarding the Messiah. (John 14:9; 2 Corinthians 1:20) The name Immanuel well describes Jesus’ role as the Messianic Seed, a descendant of David, the one who proves that God is with those who worship Him.

God sent jesus to save his Faithfull ones. God spoke to us through a son( heb 1 : 1,2), jesus tells us that the father told him what to say! and gave his sheep to him.

part two
CAN YOU YOUR SELF SEE HOW FAR YOU HAD TO EDIT MY POST TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE I MADE JUST ONE STATEMENT? IT IS NOT BY FORCE THAT YOU MUST REPLY, IF YOU CANT ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS OR EXPLAIN THOSE SCRIPTURES , WHY CANT YOU JUST LEAVE THE POST ALONE. EDITING PEOPLE'S POST SHOWS WHO YOU TRULY ARE!

johnw74:
duh, a/c dolphinheart how can one be so dum,
God gave Jesus His Revelation, Jesus gave it to His Angel to give to John,
it was Jesus speaking to John through His Angel.
Rev 1:1  The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 
Rev 1:2  Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 
Rev 1:3  Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. 
Greeting to the Seven Churches
Rev 1:4  John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; 
Rev 1:5  And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 
Rev 1:6  And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
verses 1 and 2 Jesus sent His revelation to John through His angel Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, (not who bare record of Father and testimony of Father) 

verses 1 and 5, John sent greetings to the seven Churches from Himself and from Father and Jesus Christ, but the testimony is from Jesus through His angel
Rev 1:7  Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 
Rev 1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. 

verses 7 and 8, John shows that the one coming is Jesus, the one who was pierced
Jesus said I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, remember this is the record of the word of God the testimony of Jesus Christ, not the Father.
and John added "the Almighty"

Rev 1:11  Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. 
Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man

John heard a voice saying I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last:
and John turned to see who was speaking, it was one like the Son of man
it was Jesus speaking through His Angel, not the Father.
Jesus said I am Alpha and Omega the same as when he said in verse 8 I am Alpha and Omega
remember, to which John added "the almighty"

you still read those scriptures and you still do not understand, let me just point out some simple facts you deliberately omitted
verse 1. The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

[b]God gave the revelation to Jesus, Jesus sent this message through his angel.
the above, to a sincere person , would have shown you that God who gave Jesus the revelation is not Jesus. God and Jesus(according to rev 1: 1) are not the same just as Jesus is not same with the angel he sent the revelation through. If God could GIVE revelation to Jesus, then God is not Jesus.

verse 4 : John, To the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne,

The above verse shows that John gave greetings from two different sources, (1) the one who is, who was and who is to come , and from (2) the seven spirits before his throne.

from john's writing we know that the seven spirit is not the one who is who was and who is to come, in fact John said the seven spirit is before HIS THRONE.

does John add another source to the greetings, yes , he added a third personality

verse 5 : and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
John has listed greetings from three sources.
1. The one who is who was and who is to Come
2. The seven spirits before his throne
3. Jesus the faithful witness.

For as long as Jesus is not the seven spirit before his throne, then Jesus is not the one who is who was and who is to come.
We also know that this three all had a say in the revelation as a whole, we have also noticed that john and the angel spoke in the book of revelation, it is now left for us to determine who is speaking where.

verses 6 and 7 : and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

7“Look, he is coming with the clouds,”b

and “every eye will see him,

even those who pierced him”;

and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.”c

So shall it be! Amen.

those verses support the fact that Jesus is not almighty God cus
1. Almighty God cannot die , so he cannot be first born from the dead
2. Almighty God was not pieced, his son was.
3. Almighty God does not have a God superior to him, that he is subjected to.

so with all we have learnt from the preceeding verses , we know that the one talking in verse 8 is not Jesus but the almighty , who is who was and who is to Come, some translations had added extra false statements to that verse, those statement had been proven to be false, hence it had been removed , those who use it know it is false addition , but removing it will affect their false teachings, hence they stick to it even though they can't provide evidence as to where their translations got those words from.
moreover it was the one who is who was and who is to come that said he is the almighty. The only one in the scriptures who had claimed such title is JEHOVAH.


Some will jump to verse 12 and 13 to claim that the one talking in verse 8 is Jesus, they did not read john's own words in verse 9 to 11.

9I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, 11which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”

It was this voice and statement in verse 11 that John turned to see the one who spoke it. Did he say he saw God almighty, no he saw some one like a son of man. Did he see jehovah? for jehovah himself said (unless you want to say jehovah lied):
But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."
we all know that just still lived after recording verse 12.

Secondly we know that God almighty sits on his throne, the throne of God, did John see Jesus on that throne ? no.

cus of size, I've split this post into two : part 1


IT'S EASY TO SEE YOUR MANIPULATIONS, YOU CAN ONLY REPLY ME ONLY AFTER EDITING MY POST, ONLY AFTER REMOVING CERTAIN SCRIPTURES CERTAIN EXPLANATIONS AND CERTAIN QUESTIONS WHICH SHOWS YOU TO BE FALSE .
BELOW IS THE FULL POST OF MY RESPONSE TO YOU, SHOWING WHAT YOU SAID AND HOW I RESPONSE, YOU EDITED MY POST , ONLY TO COME UP WITH SOME OF THE SAME THINGS IVE ALREADY RESPONDED TO.

1:15pm On Nov 24

johnw74:
Such a lie lie, It was God, it was the almighty, it was Jesus talking, John turned to see who it was talking to Him
and he saw one like "the son of man"
Rev 1:12  And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 
Rev 1:13  And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

You have deliberately removed parts of my post so as to try and hide the truth, you are good at removing scriptures from ones post cus it exposes you.
read rev 1: 1-6
If you had read those verses, you would have known that is was not Jesus that was talking in Rev 1: 8, it was God the almighty, who gave Jesus the revelation.

[b]2. You have added words to the verse rev 1: 8 reads : 
New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

New American Standard Bible 
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

International Standard Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," declares the Lord God, "the one who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty."

NET Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God--the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come--the All-Powerful! 


American Standard Version
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

English Revised Version
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, which is and which was and which is to come, the Almighty.[/b]

The translations of Rev 1:8 above shows their is a big difference between those translations and the KJV. This difference is what johnw74 is trying to hide by removing those translations when quoting me!. One cannot(after looking at those differences) deny the fact that a translation has twisted the original words of John. The question now is, which one of the translations has done so.
scholars had found the twister to be the KJV , it has been seen that the oldest and most reliable manuscripts does not contain the words added in the KJV, and that the KJV itself cannot defend it's source of those words.
If I ask that Johnw74 should defend the KJV and show how those words are in the manuscripts, he might not do so, I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Oh lying one, I copied and pasted the verse from the KJV
Rev 1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
but false jw, lying is what you do, always

I know you copied from the KJV, but where did the KJV get those words that are not present in most other translations from?

again, truly I copied and pasted from the KJV OH false accuser,
fancy false jw saying a Bible is adulterated when they, false jw, have removed "God" from John 1:1 and added "a god" in their adulterated book
Rev 1:11  Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. 
the Lake of Fire awaits all antichrists, twisters-changers of God's word.
Wherever the Bible shows that the Word-Jesus Christ is God, false lie lie jw change it.

Again you removed the scriptures I quoted to you, probably because they are true and its hurting you, hence you had to remove them when quoting my post.

New International Version
which said: "Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea."

English Standard Version
saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

New American Standard Bible 
saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."

International Standard Version
saying, "Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."

NET Bible
saying: "Write in a book what you see and send it to the seven churches--to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea."
Those who use those translations should note what he said!

YOu made an accusation, saying that the word "God" was removed and replaced with "a god" in John 1:1, Is this true or just another one of your false accusations ? Let's see.

The word in contention in that verse is "theos" , now let's how the word is being translated.
let's look at strongs concordance
Strong's Concordance

theos: God, a god

Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Short Definition: God, a god
Definition: (a) God, (b) a god,[/u]generally.
LOOK AT THE UNDERLINED AND TELL US IF "THEOS" CANNOT BE TRANSLATED AS "A GOD"

LET'S LOOK AT ANOTHER
NAS Exhaustive Concordance

Word Origin
of uncertain origin
Definition
God, [u]a god
NOW PLS EXPLAIN HOW YOU BECAME MORE KNOWLEGEAGLE THAN THE SOURCES PROVIDED ABOVE.

I'm very sure you don't study, the Greek word "theos" is present in luke 20: 28, see the Greek text below(the Greek word for "theos" has been coloured in red)
Greek Text
Θεὸς δὲ οὐκ ἔστιν νεκρῶν ἀλλὰ ζώντων· πάντες γὰρ αὐτῷ ζῶσιν.

Now let's see the KJV translation of luke 20:28
King James Bible
For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.
JOHNW74, IT IS NOW LEFT FOR YOU TO TELL IF THE KJV REMOVED "God" AND REPLACED IT WITH "A God", CUSU IT'S THE SAME WORD "THEOS" THAT WAS TRANSLATED!

The scholars have proven your accusations to be false, it's now left to you to proof how the KJV translation of rev 1:8 and rev 1:11 is not false!

duh, how can one be so d--b
God gave revelation to Jesus, Jesus through His Angel gave it to John
Jesus gave revelation to John, it is Jesus talking to John and the Churches, not Father
when John turnerd to see who was speaking to Him
he saw "one like the Son of man"

part you removed: "Good, can you see that The son of man in the midst of the lampstand is different from the ancient of days who sits on the throne of God"
You cannot go against the above statement.

look at you own words again , " God gave revelation to jesus" , You could open your mouth and say such and yet you could believe that Jesus is God, the same God that gave Jesus the revelation, haba!
Is Jesus the God who gave Jesus the revelation? no! and the scriptures did not teach us so!
If Jesus could not be the angels or John who he gave the revelation to , I wonder how Jesus could now be God who gave the revelation to him!, God did not give himself the revelation or did he? PLS answer!

The questions where asked in a numbered format, but you know that answering the questions in the format it was asked will expose you.
1 who gave Jesus the revelation
2. did Jesus give himself the revelation
3. who did John call the one who gave Jesus the revelation.

all you do lie lie dolphinheart is lie and twist what the scriptures say
Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

I've asked you to provide just one instance of such lie, you refused.

You lie lie dolphinheart do a very bad job of twisting and rejecting the Truth, and you believe your own lies
The scriptures clearly show that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega:
Jesus says "I am Alpha and Omega" and John adds "the Almighty"

false , it was God, the amighty, the one who is ,who was and who is to come that was speaking in rev 1:8, go and read rev 1:1-6 and understand better.

Jesus is speaking to John and the Churches, not Father:
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty

it was not Jesus speaking
this is why rev 1: 8 says :
New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

New American Standard Bible 
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

International Standard Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," declares the Lord God, "the one who is, who was, and who is coming, the Almighty."

NET Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God--the one who is, and who was, and who is still to come--the All-Powerful! 


American Standard Version
I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

Previous verse John is talking of Jesus, "He was pierced":
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Good,Did you read the prophecies about jehovahs servant who will be pieced, that prophecy was about Jesus, who God exalted to his right side!

Jesus is speaking to John and the Churches, not Father:
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

haha! you deliberately jumped the verse after verse 8, cus it was not Jesus that was talking abi, bet if it was Jesus that was talking in the next verse, you would have used it!, you have quickly forgotten how many personalities John said the greetings where from, go and read verses 1- 6 and understand better., your refusal to read those verses is affecting you.

John turned and looked to see who was talking to Him:
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

John turned to see who was talking after God has talked and John himself had talked.
John when identifying who was talking did not call him God almighty, and surely not the ancient of days who the son of man approached I Daniels prophecy.
moreover Jesus was not sitting on the throne of God which God sits!

Again, Jesus is speaking to John and the Churches, not Father:
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Go and read the scriptures and know who was talking in each verse!, Jesus called himself the root of David, have you forgotten what jehovahs said about the root of David? The root of David is not jehovah!
Jesus also told you he is the bright morning star!, did you not read job chapter 38, expecially verse 7? how can you now call Jesus jehovah?

God gave Jesus the revelation, Jesus through His Angel gave it to John

It is Jesus talking to John, It is Jesus talking to the Churches, John saw "one like the son of man" talking

verse 14 "Blessed are they that do his(Father's) commandments,"
"his", Jesus is talking of the Father

Jesus said: "I am the Alpha and Omega" John added "the Almighty"

are you now saying that Jesus is the only one that talked to John? PLS answer o!

what rev 22:14 really says :
New International Version
"Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.

English Standard Version
Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates.

New American Standard Bible 
Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
"Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates. 

International Standard Version
"How blessed are those who wash their robes so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city! 

NET Bible
Blessed are those who wash their robes so they can have access to the tree of life and can enter into the city by the gates.

American Standard Version
Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have the right to come to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.

Darby Bible Translation
Blessed [are] they that wash their robes, that they may have right to the tree of life, and that they should go in by the gates into the city.

English Revised Version
Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have the right to come to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.[/b]

brocab:
I can't really understand you-matter of fact I don't believe you understand yourself?
You strongly believe Jehovah is the rightful name for God in the KJV, but yet you refuse God was manifest in the flesh in the same KJV.
One Word is as good as another..

When it comes to translation, one word is not as good as the other, if the wrong or different word is used, it will give a different meaning. The Greek word used by Paul means "he", it does not mean "God". There is a greek word for God and Paul did not use it in that verse.

If I asked that a letter I've written should be copied and the one who copied it make a mistake in one or two words or sentences in that letter, I do not condemn the whole letter, I'll just make corrections where the mistake are made. likewise the kjv, I do not condemn the kjv as a whole, but I try to make sure that the verse I'm quoting is as accurate as possible. If i feel a verse is wrongly or falsely translated, I state it and give reasons why!. Thank God we can all check the manuscripts and try to decipher which translation is correct when two bible translations give different sentences and meaning in the same verse.

Jehovah to me is just a name used for God-its like El, Elohim, and every other name people would like to call Him-God will always be Lord, this is the proper way to address our creator.

haba!, you never stay in one place, always changing your beliefs, you just said how the Hebrew word for Lord was substituted for God's name by those who were afraid. you initially claimed the word " jehovah is a mispeling, now you accept it's a name used for God.

So really you are acting as a hypocrite. Really Dolphinheart You come back with the silliest answers, everyone who speaks the truth of God-is inspired by God..{Every Christian knows that. I did say Christian"}
It is either English or Greek or Hebrew God speaks all languages, and there is always a interpreter.
Paul didn't call God Jehovah in English-nor in his own language, but a Spanish Monk in 1278 called Jehovah God's name.
Do you agree?

you are trying to change the issue again, we are not discussing about if Paul called God jehovah, we are talking about the true words that Paul used in 1 timothy 3: 16, Paul did not say "god was manifest in flesh, Paul did not use the Greek word " theos"!

brocab:
To be honest it doesn't matter-the names not important-its just a name used-what is more important is getting to know God-like I have said bibles have been corrected since the seven hybrid names were written in the KJV, it must be some kind of a joke to only find seven names in the entire hole bible, which doesn't make a difference at all-we all know the name-as YHWH Yahweh or Lord and God.

(1.)Whenever you realise how wrong you are, instead of apologizing and listening to the truth, all you do is try and change the issue under discussion, you have shifted from "mispeling" to "it does not matter" in the twinkling of an eye, the moment you realised that they defended the use of "jehovah" in their bible.
The most interesting part is that you could not fault their defence, you could not even tell if their defence is true or false.
If truly their defence is true, then the use of the word "jehovah" is true, but if there defence is false, then they lied.
Whichever answer you give, it will not argue well for you, so to save yourself from the shameful position such defence has put you, you refuse to talk about, saying it does not matter.

well it does matter, it matters to faithful witnesses of jehovah in that time and now, if it does not matter, God would not have given it, his followers would not have used it.
[b]Isa 42:8 I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images.

The psalmist, a faithful servant of jehovah wanted people to know his name, it was recorded in the inspired word of God, showing that it meets God's approval
[b]King James Version
Ps 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth

God himself said he wanted his name known, but you say it does not matter, false doctrines has eaten deep into you.
[b]Ex 9:16But for this very reason I have kept you in existence: to show you my power and to have my name declared in all the earth.

Every time I see Jehovah written I think of Jesus. knowing Lord means Jehovah.

Go and study the Hebrew and Greek words used, the word transliterated to jehovah is totally different from the word translated to Lord!

You yourself know that the Tetragrammaton has been substituted with LORD in some English bibles, the Tetragrammaton does not mean LORD. The Hebrew word used for God's name is totally different from the Hebrew word used for LORD!.

The name Jehovah came from a Spanish Dominican Monk Raymundus Martini around 1278 who then wrote the Latin work PUGIO FIDE.
A small dose of Jehovah was used not only in the KJV 1611-but it was also used in the Spanish Valera in 1602-The portugese ALMEIDA version of 1681-And German ELBERFELDER in 1871-And the American Standard version in 1901-But it appears that the Jerusalem Bible was the first one to use "YAHWEH" Instead of Lord and Jehovah. They didn't dare to take His name in vain {Deuteronomy 5:11} You shall not take the Lord your God the name in vain, for the Lord will hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.

that small dose that the kjv used , is it right or wrong? answer, cus the kjv said it is right!
Secondly what is the Hebrew word that the kjv translated to Jehovah?

The early Jews didn't dare to say His name for fear of taken it in vain, they didn't even write it, but today we find God's name used in every conceivable way.

That fear was a plan from the devil, God himself told them his name and said he wants his name declared throughout the earth, his faithful servants wrote down his name hundreds of times in the scriptures. But when people like you came to the scene in times past, they decided it was not good to say that name again as numerous faithful servant had done in the time past, so they decided to hide it, altering the name and substituting the name with Lord when they saw it in the scriptures.
don't worry , jehovah words will be carried out, his name will be declared throughout all the earth no matter how you try to hide it using fear as an excuse!

Most Christians would not think of cursing by using God's name, but yet the JW's still take His name in vain.

Give an example , liar!

So now we are going back the the basis, we either follow after the Jews and call His name God or we call His name Lord "YAHWEH" Or we listen to the JW's and take His name in Vain?[/color]
follow the scriptures brocab, follow what the scriptures teaches you, follow the example of Faithfull servants of God who used God's name. follow God himself who wanted his name known. Don't follow the Jews whose actions was later condemned by jesus.

calling on God's name is not taken his name in vain, faithful servants of God call on God's name all the time, and they recorded how they did it. substituting God's name will not help.

[quote]Lets read and see for ourselves and read some past history below.
Yahweh the God of the Israelite's, His name being revealed to Moses, as four Hebrew CONSONANTS {YHWH} CALLED THE TELREGRAMMATION AFTER THE EXILE {6TH CENTURY BC} and especially from the 3rd century BC on, Jews cease to use the name "YAHWEH" for two reasons. As Judaism became an universal religion through its proselytizing in the Greco Roman world.

see, you yourself admit that the Jews cease to use God's name, disobeying God's directive that his name should be declared all around the world. Can you see the people you follow? and you will still claim to read the scriptures!

The more common noun "ELOHIM" meaning "God" tenders to replace "YAHWEH" to demonstrate the universality sovereignty of Israels "God" all over the others.
At the same time the Divine name was increasingly regarded as to sacred to be uttered, it was thus replaced vocally in the synagogue ritual by the Hebrew word "ADONAI" {MY LORD} Which was translated to "KYNOS" {LORD} in the septuagint, the Greek work of the Old Testament.

Good, you yourself have revealed that the word "Lord" does not mean God or God's name, it was used as a substitute by those who where afaid of calling on God's name.

The Masoretes, who about from the 8th to the 10th century. worked to reproduce the original text of the Hebrew bible, replaced the vowels of the name 'YHWH" with the vowel signs of the Hebrew word "ADONAI" {Lord editor} Or "ELOHIM" {God editor} {Thus the artificial name Jehovah} "YeHoWaH"{Emphasis ours,ed} Come in to being. Although Christian Scholars after the renaissance and the reformation periods used the term Jehovah for "YHWH" In the 19th and 20th centuries biblical scholars again began to use the form "YAHWEH" Early Christian writers, such as Clement of Alexandria in the second century, had used a form like "YAHWEH" and this pronunciation of the Telragrammation was never really lost.
Other Greek transcription also indicated that "YHWH" should be pronounced "YAHWEH"

The question is , is Yahweh an English word?, how do you pronounce the Tetragrammaton in English.
you say jesus, John, Joshua, etc when you speak English, knowing fully well that that is not how those names where pronounced in Hebrew. The people who knew those personalities pronounced their names differently. You do not see any problem with that, but when it Comes to how God's name is pronounced in English, you went bunkers.
If you are truly sincere, you should go and search for how God's sons name is being pronounced by people's in the first century and stop pronouncing his name as jesus in English, but I know you are not sincere

brocab:
The KJV only defends Jehovah seven times-not bad going-when Jehovah is un-noticeable to the readers.
Try putting more of your time getting to know the Lord-instead of trying to know a hybrid name.

so the kjv is defending a mispelled word from the 17th century till this moment! wow!.

I said you will refuse to answer the questions when you reply, you proved me right once more, the spirit you claim to be in you cannot help you out when bible based questions are asked or when answering a question will only lead to exposure of your false teachings.

johnw74:
a/c dolphinheart

Here are some verses showing that you are wrong about the Word being "a god" in John 1:1

it was not me that defined the greek word "theos", I know sincerity is not in you, you must have checked the Greek word "theos" and seen it can be translated as "a god" hence you could not talk about that. If those who had vast knowledge in Greek could tell you that "theos could be translated as " a god" , I don't know what authority you have to say they are wrong.
2316. theos ►

Strong's Concordance

theos: God, a god

Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Short Definition: God, a god
Definition: (a) God, (b) a god, generally.

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was "God"

john 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

The word cannot be with God and still be the God he was with!

Joh 20:28  And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my "God".

Jesus did not ask Thomas any question, talk less of question about his divinity, Thomas exclaimed , not that he answered a question.
A lot of people do what Thomas did when they are being told something spectacular or beyond normal , after hearing what the person had to say they respond with the word "oh my god!, or "jesus" or "father Lord". There response does not mean that the person who was talking to them is their god, or father or jesus, it was just an exclamation.

some translations tells you its an exclamation while some will put the exclamation Mark to show you what Thomas statement is.

New International Version
Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

New Living Translation
"My Lord and my God!" Thomas exclaimed.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Thomas responded to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Thomas responded to Jesus, "My Lord and my God!"

There are some translations who in a bid to support the false doctrine of trinity will tell you that Thomas answered a question that jesus did not ask.
The interesting fact is that jesus did ask his disciples about who he is, let's look at jesus question and the answer the disciples gave.
King James Version
Mt 16:15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

LOOK AT THE ANSWER GIVEN:
King James Version
Mt 16:16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

The disciples know (including Thomas ) that jesus is not the living God, he is the son of the living God sent by the living God.
Did jesus say that what Peter said was wrong , no! , look at what jesus said to that answer that Simon gave.
King James Version
Mt 16:17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Did jesus later alter this belief and later told them he is their God, no, in fact he made sure he sent messages to then after his resurrection to remind them who their God is, look at the verse below
King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
jesus once again sent messages to his disciples, telling them who thier God is.

did Thomas get the message? Yes
King James Version
Joh 20:18Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.

Did the disciples teach otherwise, different from what jesus taught them about who their God is ? The answer is no! look at what they said at different occasions below!

King James Version
1Co 11:3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

King James Version
Eph 1:17 [Color=blue]That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory,[/color] may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

Col 1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,

The disciples has taught us what they learnt from jesus and thus they say this :

1Jo 4:15 Whoever acknowledges that Jesus is God’s Son, God remains in union with such one and he in union with God.
Jehovahs witnesses acknowledge that jesus is God's son, they Do not add any derived, false analogy to that simple statement from the scriptures.

Psa 45:6  Thy throne, O "God", is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 
Psa 45:7  Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore "God", thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O "God", is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 
Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore "God", even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
^^^
Psalm and Hebrew verses, Father calls Jesus "God"
and both Father and Jesus are called "God" as in John 1:1

when you read the scriptures , do you try to understand what you read or you are just looking for words that support your beliefs, the person talking called jesus God and in the same breath called himself the God of jesus? how far has the search of words affected your understanding of what is being said.

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with "God", and the Word was "God". 


Now mendacious dolphinheart show all the verses where Jesus is said to be "a god"


mendacious: telling lies, especially habitually; dishonest; lying; untruthful:
a mendacious person

the person who is with someone cannot be the same person with the one he is with!.
moreover , God does not have a beginning!
I can see you are much confused with the use of capital letters when theo's is being translated to English.

brocab:
It was the Spirit of God who inspired Paul to say-God was manifested in the flesh.

LIES!, Paul never said " God was manifest in flesh", it was those who were desperately trying to alter what Paul said so as to find support for their false doctrines that made those changes to later manuscripts, they had been discovered and found to be false!.

Paul couldn't say words such as these without having the Holy Spirit directing him-Every word that's said-every scriptures that's quoted is given by Jesus Himself..
But of course you wouldn't know this information ..
kJV GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH {1 Timothy 3:16}
Not my words but God's words..
I don't speak on my own authority-but the Word Of God that is in me..
KJV bible "GOD" WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH- Justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed in the world, taken up in Glory.
Amplified bible bible "He {Jesus Christ who was revealed in human form.
CEV bible Christ came as a human.
DARBY bible God has been manifested in flesh.
ERV bible Christ was showing to us in human form.
GNV bible God is manifested in the flesh.
Jubilee bible God was manifest in the flesh.
AKJV bible God was manifest in the flesh.
Living bible Christ came to earth as a man.
Modern English version "GOD WAS REVEALED IN THE FLESH..
"He" was manifest in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached among Gentiles, believed in the world, taken up in Glory..

It seems Paul now knows how to speak English abi?, brocab, go and study, go and check if the Greek word for God can be found in the oldest most reliable manuscripts , go and study how it was discovered that the word for "he" had been altered.

Barristter07:
dont mind those 419's , if truly brocab believe the statement God was manifest in flesh . what stops him from accepting Mary as the mother of God ? Or is it not God that was manifest in the flesh that Mary gave birth to ?

I told him a long time ago, to protect one lie, you have to give another, when one lie crumbles, down goes all others.

brocab:
Of course you believe what you are taught-but the problem is, it's man teaching you alone. The problem we have here is you believe on the things that happened from 1874, while the bible was written at a much earlier date the New Testament was around the 150 AD and before that the Old Testament was surely around in Jesus's time.
So whom are we to believe-the New age bible such as the NWT that was written somewhere around 1874-or do we seek after a bible that was written before 150 AD. A bible that holds the truth about Jesus, a bible that many men and women died for-trying to get the Word of God out in all languages, so everyone can receive the love of God's glory, and be saved.

Pls tell me, which bible translation was written before 150AD.? I wonder when you will end your lies.

I'm beggining to feel that you know nothing about what you are saying.

When comparing the 1611 an authorised KJV bible to your own bible NWT-nothing from your bible tells us any history, and of course no-one can say people risks their own lives for.

brocab, pls give us the story of the authorised king James version o. let's see those who risked their life for it.

We all know the text the KJV used in translation, we all know that their is a consensus that the text was full of errors, even the authors had to do some later editing to correct some of the errors.
We also know how late the manuscripts used where, compared to older, better manuscripts.

People that carried the KJV were murdered because of their faith they had for Christ-just to help save another life.
There is no true foundation history said about your bible? Only it's a cult.

Give us examples brocab. I don't need to tell you the horrors jehovah's witnesses faced for their beliefs, its well known.

So I don't dealt you, when saying you believe in the left over scriptures that's left laying around in your bible.

I don't claim any spirit teaches me, I claim the Holy Spirit teaches me, haven't you not heard test the spirits {1 John 4:1-2}

and so do tens of thousands of other people whose beliefs are different from yours. your kind plenty for naija here.

{1 John 3:24} He that keeps His commandments dwells in Him, and He in Him, we know by that, He abides in us, by the Spirit which He has given us.
It seems you are again not in the habit of understanding, we know we both listen to two different Spirits. Your organisation believes they listen to angels. Which of the angels?
You believe the Holy Spirit is some kind of an active force, and you believe Michael the archangel is Jesus? Where about in scripture who knows?
I am sure {Jude 9:6} can answer this one for you-their wasn't two archangels Michael's who asked the Lord to rebuke the Devil that day.
So I would be reading the bible that has been through the mill-the bible that many risks their lives for, and died for, this bible is the truth. Jesus said those who believe in Me will be persecuted {Matthew 10;22, 24:9, 2 Timothy 3;12}

The scriptures has been used to expose you, and whenever such exposure occur, you run from the topic, refusing to answer questions, trying to change the issue under discussion.

brocab:
Jesus died to be raised again-He gave up his Spirit on the cross-that doesn't mean He is finished..

1. you lied against me, saying I said something I did not say, I know you will not apologise.
2. I do not know where you got the above statement from.
3. good you accept that Jesus gave up his spirit , he died like the scriptures say people die when their spirit goes out. JESUS GAVE HIS LIFE, HE DID NOT STILL HAVE IT WHEN HE DIED!

brocab:
I am not missing the point man-I see things differently from the way you see things differently. The Word "HE" was written after the first statement, the first statement is from the beginning, Jesus said {1 Timothy 3:16}

Jesus did not say what was recorded in 1 timothy 3:16

God was manifested in the flesh-the latest version said "HE" was manifested in the flesh.

BROCAB, PAUL NEVER WROTE "GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH IN 1 TIMOTHY 3: 16, THAT STATEMENT IS A DISTORTION OF WHAT PAUL WROTE. STOP ALTERING PAULS STATEMENT BECAUSE OF YOUR BELIEFS.

Both sentences had given the same passage-but because you don't believe God was manifested in the flesh-and "HE" was-it doesn't mean either sentences are wrong..

brocab, both sentence where not given or written by the writer of that verse the writer only wrote one statement down, not two different statement. Go study the Greek texts and see what Paul wrote down.

{1 john 1:1} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
In your case the Word was a god.
So who are you to believe-Your bible-or the bible written before your bible?
I say follow your heart Dolphinheart-and if your heart deceives you, God will never deceive you {1 John 3:20}

I believe the truth as written in the scriptures , go check the strongs dictionary for the Greek word "theos" and see it possible translations.

brocab:
Dolphinheart-I wish I knew where you are coming from at times-but as sadly as this sounds I don't know.

if you read the scriptures I posted, you will know, I believe you know, but believe in your false doctrines wunt allow you to accept

{1 Timothy 3:16} Makes no difference to me, both the NIV and the KJV are correct.

This is the excuse given by someone who want to twist the truth, who is afraid that his own version of that verse is false. The writer of that verse did not write the two different statements of that verse found in the KJV and NIV, he only wrote one statement. The statement must either contain the Greek word for "God" or the Greek word for "he". It has been proven that the correct word written by the author is "he", but because it affects your false doctrines, you had to reject the truth brought forward with facts and defend the falsely added word. We all know that both translations cannot be true, one is true and other is false, but you had to accept both cus it helps you.

I really can't see your problem in these two bible verses-either it's "He" or "God" both "He or God" are talking about One Lord.

the writer did not write both sentences, the writer did not write "thoes". So get the true translation and then try to understand it's meaning.

Jesus {"He or God"} was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, Received up in glory...

the Greek word for he and God are two different words, it cannot be interchanged for each other.

NIV-He appeared in the flesh. KJV-God was manifested in the flesh..
These scriptures are so simple to understand-Dolphinheart refusing to see God in the KJV-is not my concern, what concerns me, is the KJV recognises the truth, who Jesus is.

The KJV added word to that verse deliberately, the scriptures is supposed to be a translation, it is not supposed to change words and give it a different meaning, it's not supposed to add or change words based on his own view of the truth.
The Greek word in that part of the verse cannot in any way be translated as God.

This is why this bible is so popular, this same bible takes charge over every other bible that's written.
It is only people like you, who will always disagree, only because like the rest of these so called bible scholars, everyone of you, are afraid of the truth that stands in the KJ bible.

brocab, a lot of bad things are popular.

The KJV is used as a tool, only for the believers, without fear, we live by faith, and receive the glory of God Himself.
I have found no other bible that I can say is true to it's word, these other bibles written by inspired so called bible scholars had either twisted the scriptures or they had removed them completely, in fear..
So people like yourself who listens to people like these so called bible scholars-will someday end up all together in your own condemnation in Hell.

your opinion. but we know you can't support it with facts.

brocab:
As I said the bible is accurate. I call Jehovah a misprint, before or after it was printed by the JW's on their own pressers..

(1) the translation is accurate, but it contains a misprint? I don't think you know what you are saying.

(2) if it contains a misprint, why has it not been corrected for hundreds of years?

(3) why does the KJV still defend the use of Jehovah if it's a misprint?
kjvtoday dot com
[b]“Jehovah” or “Yahweh” in Exodus 6:3 et al.?

"And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." (Exodus 6:3, KJV)


"JEHOVAH" is the translation of יהוה with the Masoretic vowel points.  These vowel points were put in place by the Masoretes many centuries after the composition of the Hebrew Bible.  It is commonly believed that the Jews in the Second Temple period took the vowel points of "Adona" (Lord) and placed them in .

Many scholars today believe that the original pronunciation of  was closer to "Yahweh".  This is a theory based on how some writers in the cognate languages and Greek pronounced the name (e.g. Clement of Alexandria, The Stromata, Book V, 6).  These other languages had vowels written before the Masoretes gave vowel points to the Hebrew, and it appears that some early writers in these languages wrote the name as something resembling "Yahweh".

However, there is more to the story.  Our Lord's Hebrew name "Yehoshua" (יהושׁע) means "Jehovah saves" and is derived from יהוה.  This Hebrew name became "Yeshua" in Aramaic and "Ἰησοῦς" (Iesous) in Greek.  As clearly seen, by the time of our Lord Jesus the part of"Yehoshua" (יהושׁע) which corresponds with  was pronounced like the first two syllables of "Jehovah".  Whether or not the original pronunciation of  was "Yahweh", Jews pronounced the name as "Jehovah" by the first century.  And neither our Lord Jesus nor the New Testament writers indicated any dissatisfaction with this pronunciation.

Other Hebrew names were also derived from compounding יהוה (or a portion of it) with another Hebrew word: e.g. Jehoshaphat, Jehoiada, Jehoram, Jehoiakim, etc. The way these names have been pronounced throughout history suggests to us that יהוה was pronounced like "Jehovah". In any case, the fact that the psalmist was comfortable using the short-form “Jah” (Psalm 68:4) indicates that the Jews were not particularly legalistic about the pronunciation of the Divine Name.  Pious Jews did not even utter the sacred name.

The theory of the pronunciation as "Yahweh" is a theory at best.  In any case, the KJV is a translation of the Hebrew Masoretic text, which gives the vowels of "Jehovah".  As such, the KJV is a faithful translation of the preserved Hebrew text.

Lasty, some critics despise the hard “J” sound in “Jehovah,” but many Hebrew names (e.g. Jesus, Joseph, John, James, Jude, Judas, Jeremiah, Jonah) are pronounced in English with the hard “J” despite them not having the hard “J” in Hebrew or Greek. It would be hypocritical to insist that one must pronounce יהוה as “Yahweh” while permitting the Anglicized pronunciations of other Hebrew names (including “Jesus,” which contains the name “Jehovah.”).[/b]

can you see the KJV defending itself, their statement had just debunked your "mispelt" theory. It has exposed your falsehood, no wonder you could not bring up any evidence to surport your theory.

(4) this are simple questions I've asked before and ill ask again
A. What bible translation are you using
B. Is your bible printed by the jaw
C. what does exodus 6:3 and psalm 83: 18 say in the bible you are using.

I know you will not answer the questions when you reply this post, but I added it to show sincere Christians the spirit you claim to have.

The name Jehovah didn't reach it's mark throughout all of the KJV, seven times it was mentioned in the Old testament, not once it was mentioned in the New Testament.

For your statement to be true, the name of Jehovah must have a mark, Pls what is the mark of that na me that the kjv did not reach?
refusal to answer the question will show your statement to be false.

you just said the name "jehovah" was mentioned In the old testament, this shows that truly the name did exist in the bible, it was not mispelled.

One word doesn't make a difference, because I already know the Lord's name is correct-when His name is the Word and the Word was God,
I AM THAT I AM, YHWH Yahweh..
What you are not understanding you are to busy worshipping the Jehovah name, instead of reading the scriptures, and still you don't know who your God really is?
It is far to important to know God through faith in Jesus Christ, then it is to know the correct pronunciation of His name in Hebrew.
With all of that said, it is not crucial to the Christian faith for the proper pronunciation of YHWH to be knowing both of the Old and New Testaments, inspired by God, use generic terms for "God and Lord" including EL, ELOHIM, and ADONAI {HEBREW} and THEO'S, and KURIOS {GREEK}
If the authors of the scripture, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, were allowed to use these terms, it is not wrong for us to refer to Him as "God and Lord.

Good that you know that "LORD" is a generic term.

brocab:
Well you say you are a believer in bible knowledge-well you work it out.
Or do I have the rights to judge you-by your fruits, because I say you are confused-you say it isn't about understanding, and yet you don't understand-between the man is good or the boy is good.

unfortunately, you keep missing the point, I don't know if it's deliberate or not.
The issue is about the content of the verse we are supposed to understand and not the understanding between two different sentences.
first one has to know which sentence is true and which is false before one has to understand the true sentence.

let me explain to you with another example. A thousand years ago , a man made a statement, a thousand years later, some people said the statement made a thousand years ago was "the boy is good", others said it is not so , that the statement was " the mamost is good". We all know the man did not make both statements, he only made one statement, therefore one of the two statement is false.

fortunately the man wrote his statement down, so brocab , pls tell me, what better way is their than using the record of that written statement to know which of the two statements is true, cus we know both cannot be true.

It is after such verification that you can now try to understand the statement.

such verification had been done on 1 timothy 3:16, the word "he" has been discovered to be the true word in that verse. mind you , before you claim it's the spirit that thought you, both sides can lay claim to the spirit teaching teaching them too.

Every sentence comes with understanding, some people call men, boy's-meaning they are preferring to the same sentence.

The issue is, what is the true statement , did the statement say "boy" or "man". Yes, you can understand the statement in different ways, depending on your truthfulness and aim, but the fact is, there was only one statement, not two, so which one is it.

Ask and you will receive, knock and it will be open, seek and you will find {Matthew 7:7}
Meaning ask God and read from the bible that suits you and find your answers...
This is the problems we have in this world-people writing bibles twisting or changing the word of God out from them, confuses people like you..
As I have said many times we need the Spirit of God to show us all truth..

But the scripture also encouraged us to study, if you ask God for the truth, he wunt give you contrary details to what is contained in the scriptures .

Those you accuse of changing the scriptures also accuse you of adding to the scriptures in certain verses while saying it's the spirit of God that is guiding them. Even the text in which those accused got most of their words from had been found to be full of errors, even the author of those texts had to bring out numerous editions to correct some of those false words discovered.


riptures daily to see whether these things were so.

[b]Acts 17:11 King James Bible
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

brocab:
I don't have to prove that {John 1:1 the Word is God} "EXIST" all I have to do is believe.
And the other, the evidence "lies" with you.

I also believe that John 1:1 said the word was a god, but unlike you, I have evidence to support my believe, my believe did not come out of strong head devotion, it came out of study, knowing fully well that what I'm being taught is the truth, truth as revealed by the scriptures.
If you claim a spirit teaches you, but the spirit teaches you something contrary to what the scriptures says, then that spirit is a bad spirit . If the spirit makes you vehemently refuse to answer scripturally based questions, then that spirit is false. If the spirit encourages you to lie on this thread , then that spirit is not the hope spirit.

brocab:
Well then you don't believe in the bible..Which of course you don't believe in Jesus.

all you needed to do is to show that my answer is wrong about John 1:1.
pls try and do so.
You brought two options, I chosed one of them, pls proof that my option is wrong.

brocab:
By the word of God every word is written..
Because you don't understand-it doesn't mean we don't understand it.
If Solite3 or Johnw74 see's the Word differently then I, it doesn't mean it isn't there. God speaks to us all-in ways we understand the Word of God. Don't forget we are His children, and we are all made different.
Pretty simple to understand..

brocab, the issue in not about understanding, the issue is about the words written, before you talk about understandING, you must first know the words written.

The words "the man is good" can be undertood by different people in different ways, but if someone comes and now says the real word is " the boy is good", how do you know which of the two different sentences is the right one, because it is after knowing which sentence is right and which one is false, that you can now start trying to understand it's meaning.

so now brocab, now if someone says he too asks God for answers and God told him that that the words of that verse where not inspired by him, what will you do, how do we know which one of you is right?

brocab:
When you write your post-no-one can edit it-only in green it shows-your post still stands in white..
Sample below

where do you think the editing took place, go read my post carefully and understand. I said he edits my post when quoting me!. When you quote someone, does the post you quoted come out in green or in white, everyone knows it's in green, so your excuse is untenable.

brocab:
Why would you want to examining the NIV with the KJ? You swear by the NIV Bible it's true and correct, you prefer bibles that have twisted and missing scriptures.

stop lying against me, no where have I sweare that the NIV bible(as a whole) is true and correct.
missing scriptures?, I prefer to call it removal of false additions to the scriptures. They are not in the best oldest available manuscripts, so they are not missing customers they are not their in the first place.[/quote]You said it yourself-all these other bible's are correct, leaving the KJV standing.[/quote]so me where I said so, I'll explain to you what I said since you are trying to twist the meaning of my words.

No I don't want to study with you-until you receive the Spirit of God-you have no chance..
Plus your best bet is to study with your own cult..Those who refuses the Word Of God with a passion..

I don't want to study with you until you drop those dubious behavior, until you start to read the scriptures with a sincere mind, until you stop avoiding verses that exposes you.

brocab:
This is something you can't do is ask God which bible is true and correct?
First ask the Lord into your heart-receive the Holy Spirit and believe.
Without the Lord-you will always go door knocking-trying to find any truth that comes your way-without receiving it directly from God Himself.
And we both know the KJV is the rightful bible-because we both, you Dolphinheart and I brocab use it all the time Quote....

I'm not going to follow your unprovable claims, some like you, use such statements and will say the NIV is right and the KJV is wrong when you look at 1 ti 3: 16.

some pastors here, anytime they want to lie, they will tell you it's the spirit of God that is talking to them. They use such method like you are trying to do cud they know it cannot be easily verified.

The truth about 1st timothy 3:16 can be verified all one has to do is look at the manuscripts available that contain that verse. You will see their is no Greek word for " God " in that verse.

brocab:
Does not your god tell you, to love one another-and show respect for each other.
This is one the many things I have never seen you do?

To respect you does not mean I should not tell you the truth, expecially my view of your character and actions.

Doesn't your god teach, correct those in love: I myself find no fault in Johnw74, matter of fact i would rather pat him on the back, for putting up with the liking's of you.

There is a big difference between correction and commendation, you are commending something that is wrong.

Is this how you punish your own-ripping into them, condemning them, calling them lairs and abusing them, judging them, against your god.

I punish no one, if you lie, I tell you that you lied, and I'll show you where and when you lied. It's not in my place to punish anyone.

Have you not read, first pull the speck out from your eye-before you pull the speck out from someone else's eye.
I already have read how your mind works, I have seen the evidence, changing other quotes is your own doing.
Dolphinheart your organisation must be proud.

pls provide evidence.
you have added mind reading to your claims
yes, they are proud in a good way.

brocab:
Prove I didn't quote {Psalms 83:18} KJV I accept to the point without the hybrid name Jehovah, but the NWT no-one accepts.

haha, so you don't accept every word in the KJV, yet you say it is accurate. you twist all the time brocab, you are not rooted to a stand.