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An insightful thread, just ignore the messenger omokri and take the message.

https://www.nairaland.com/7446591/dangers-tinubus-wealth-without-enterprise#118613141

Oasis003:
Can lake Chad be recharged or not?

Every propaganda you post, you put smiley emoji thinking people are not seeing the deception for what it is.

How foolish does one have to be to impersonate a former governor and highly placed individual?? What kind of a candidate is tinubu? How many peoples identity has this man stolen?
Has tinubu killed all the people who knew him growing up?? I mean the fact that nobody has come forward to say who he really is is very troubling. Has he threatened them all? Just who is this man? Who is bola Ahmed tinubu? Who is amoda ogunlere?

Oasis003:


Where is the App? Name of the App?!

Oasis, my dear brother can you explain these?

https://www.nairaland.com/7446723/picture-used-young-tinubu-documentaries#118615234

The comments on this thread na something else. laugh wan burst my belle. ;https://www.nairaland.com/7446723/picture-used-young-tinubu-documentaries#118615234

chrisooblog:
I haven't scrutinized Atiku maybe I'm backing unifier.

I haven't criticized Kola Abiola I guess I'm supporting him too.
I haven't spoken about Kwankwaso and Sowore I assume I'm their biggest backer abi?
Anyway it's a free world love and light.

Oga stop dey shalaye. All your post's on this thread are channeled against one candidate! People are calling out your hypocrisy. Once you hear obi name, your prick go stand, you begin look for holes to pick, tinubu go drop bomb, your prick go soft, you go into hiding, only to be seen again when anything against Obi comes up, who is deceiving who??
If you support the yellow teeth-stained drug baron, come out with your full chest, own that shit up, no dey hide for corner.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]You are putting more effort in defending yourself (something i don't care about), instead of understanding me.

But then, like you said, Love and Light

I prefer Light though[/color]

Why you no choose love over light?

This man is a CRIMINAL!!!!
Everything about him is completely fraudulent.

After all these revelations, you can't tell me that those supporting this man have the best interest of this country at heart.
Chai!! Who we offend like this?? Imagine having to steal another person's pictures?

Larride, oasisx toyindipo come and explain this abeg. We're begging you to come and explain this nonsense.

seankafor:
how about this

This one na village people.

Some people get better luck oo.

A001:
This your comment is why it's clear most are still under the British rule.

It seems you see being a slave or being colonized as something to be proud of. Many countries, including GB itself, were once colonized in the past by more powerful empires, but they strove hard to break free from colonial rule.

I'm appealing for your post's to be precise and concise. You usually end up going off a tangent when addressing a particular subject.

One minute I'm asking the importance of my tribal identity, the next minute I'm being termed a slave, how we got to that point, I know not.

A001, in our country alone, we have more than 700 different ethnic groups. Nigeria is a place where for every 20 kilometers you walk, you see a different ethnic group with different culture. Over the years, many cultures have died off as there is more acculturation that takes place. In our quest to be united as a society, we have to sacrifice our separate identities to meld as one. Why do you think one has to fightbto maintain his cultural identity? What if i wanted to see myself more as yoruba man than an Igbo man? Will it be wrong?

Nezzjnr:
Obooooooooiiiiii

What did I just read

Which of my points do you object to?

StarchAndBanga:
I don't have an issue if one derives pleasure in fvckin his fellow guy but don't shove it down our throats as "Fundamental Human Right".

Again, being fvcked in the yansh is not a fundamental human right

Please what do you understand by the term "fundamental human right" because the contradiction in your post clearly indicates you have no idea what the term means. You just said you have no issue with people being gay but they don't deserve fundamental human rights, can you reconcile the statement?

liveLongNprospa:
They should not be killed but at the same time they should be respectful of boundaries created by other societies

The world is bigger than the where ever they come from.

Plus I think this outrage is just ironic, when you consider that majority of the clothes worn by these people are from brands who have been accused of using cheap human labour outside the US.

Do you recognize that this was the exact same argument that pro apartheid groups in south Africa used?
When the western countries railed against apartheid in south Africa, some people would say the west should mind it's business after all blacks in America were not treated much different, that it was hypocritical of America to talk against apartheid and racism in South Africa while america was experiencing same.

Well, 2 wrongs don't make a right, you don't use a negative to justify another negative. So because the west isn't perfect mean they shouldn't campaign against other imperfections?? Why can't we address both issues separately? We can campaign against the 2 negative issues separately.

StarchAndBanga:
Being fvcked in the yansh is not a fundamental basic human right

It shouldn't be in your place to determine what people choose to do with themselves.. they should have the freedom to do what they want and then live up to the consequence but they certainly don't deserve to lose their lives over it.
And mind you, anal sex which you described can be done by anyone, whether between males or male and female. Do you think that a guy and a girl who have anal sex should be killed?

izzou:
[color=royalblue]I don't think so, sir. A good number of abroadians still practice their culture, over there. Remember where Ekweremadu was lynched in Germany? It was a cultural festival

Most abroadians prefer to come in July for my village festival than December sef

For me, i just against some of the babaric practices of culture. Identity is important, but we need to get rid of some of the inhumane practices in the name of "culture".
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I know that some abroadians still cling to parts of their culture but I'm saying that for most, it's just farcical at best.

It's very practical to adapt to your new surrounding than clinging unto your old identity. A001 did not address my question adequately.
I'm asking him what is really the importance of one's cultural identity and he's yet to be downright specific.

A40:
We have teachers in schools tricking kids into taking injections to permanently alter their gender. Kids being taken to drag clubs. We have movies now with all gay characters and gay characters in cartoon
Don't tell me there's no agenda going on. If you insist on choosing naivete that's your choice but don't sell me that there's no agenda going on

I don't believe anyone should be killed for their sexual preferences but what does wearing rainbow gear have to do with that? You think Tran Dan and Bikini Bob wearing rainbow colors is what it will take to change these things. Jay said it best 'Do you wanna be a trend or do you wanna be Ralph Lauren?"

Which Western country does not have a history of killing or plundering black people. Lol abeg talk something new. This is the more reason we are pointing out their hypocrisy. You should hold the leaders of these countries and their footballing bodies to account for taking their monies. Almost every major league in Europe has Qatar or Saudi money or both. They were well aware of their laws and religious beliefs while taking their money
Just like kneeling was useless, wearing a bunch of armbands is also useless and does nothing to address these issues at it's core. Deliberate and organic action and not performative nonsense is what brings real change

Who told you Russia has no issue with LGBT lifestyle? Russia is passing anti LGBT propaganda in their media space as we speak and Brazil have their laws too. Those activities are bigly frowned upon there

One thing you have to understand is that these countries eastwards still believe in the traditional type of family which LGBT lifestyle is of course against. So you're never going to get to the level of the West in that respect.

What activists should do is to push for the society to show more tolerance via the appropriate mediums and processes. You can see how Saudi are giving women more rights. It's not by disrupting a tournament with your rainbows and bongos and other agenda that is being pushed by majority of people who are not even football fans and keep pushing for the disruption of the tournament.

These people have not said you should not be gay. They have said don't do it in their premises. I'm sure if I came to your house even in your house you have your rules and regulations. I can't just enter your kitchen and start taking meat from your soup pot or light my Colorado or Arizona and start smoking

I mean I do agree with you that there are some extreme elements on the liberal side of this, but it's never wise to use extremism to define a position. It's just iike you advocating for religious tolerance and I start listing the extreme points of religious zealots and painting all religious people as extremists that want to bomb everyone that doesn't agree with their religion. That's exactly what you're doing.

I mean, just look at this plainly, in Qatar, if a gay person is caught, that person is a 100 percent guaranteed to die!! That's extremism by definition. That you have a culture that kills people purely on the basis of sexual orientation in the 21st century is alarming.
This wasn't an issue in other world cups because none of them share such an extreme position. Yes, there are varying degrees of tolerance about the issue but none of them have this extreme plurality in their society. One where gay people are guaranteed death and have to live in fear all their lives.

At this point, I ask you directly, DO YOU THINK LGBT PEOPLE SHOULD BE KILLED FOR EXPRESSING THEMSELVES??
That question above is very important because it defines your ideological stand and position on this argument.

A001:
What's the advantage of you breathing? Have you seen any human that survives without breathing?

Just like no man can survive without breathing air, no one can also survive without having a culture.

You need need a culture (specifically language, one of the elements of culture) to interact with others, and if you don't interact with others, you can't survive alone.

You mentioned the advantages for you as an Igbo man. The basic needs of humans are the same across various cultures and races around the world: food, shelter, air and water.
Without interacting with others using a language, you can't get these basic needs whether you're Igbo, Yoruba, English, or Arab.

Okay, very good that you've started being a bit specific, now you mentioned language being a key part of culture.
Now remember that my first question was; as an Igbo man, why is my Igbo identity important? You've replied that culture is as important as breathing, it's something we can't do without, that If I'm not igbo, then I'm definitely adopting another person's language.

To which I will now ask you, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT??
I mean, I imagine that Nigerians having a common language like English, even though it's not any of our indigenous language, has been much better for all of us, I mean here we are, both communicating, speaking and writing in English and being better for it, our cultural identity (language) playing zero roll whatsoever.

I mean, many cultures have been lost to time and we (the human race) are still waxing strong.
Is anything wrong with all of humanity losing the very different aspects of culture and adopting a unifying culture or identity??

I imagine that many normal abroadians here have entirely adopted their new culture and have shed most of their old cultural identity and are thriving because of this. They speak the language of their host country, they eat the meals that are indigenous to their host country, they dress in the attire of their host country, I mean for the most part, they've shed all shreds of their African identity and I ask you, is anything wrong with that?

Emmynator:
Yay or nay

Very good. I support this.

A40:
A lot of these individuals are not actual football fans. They just want to indoctrinate this lifestyle into every single sphere of life so you cannot escape it anywhere you turn. This is another notice me on the internet seeking clout. Nothing consign these ones with the actual football on the pitch

Think about it. How many world cups have we had why is it this one that we are hearing of rainbow and flags all matter wey no concern ball wey we wan watch. That's my problem with the whole inclusion, diversity and butt bongo business is that the game is now open to all sorts of people that can't point out a Kylian Mbappe on TV.

A loud annoying minority who are not even actual fans. Just another set of people who see the World cup as a platform for agenda. Like they have done with movies and even kids cartoons

Nobody wants to "indoctrinate anyone" into any lifestyle.
They are just asking for fundamental basic human rights of queer people, is that really such a terrible thing?? Do you really believe that gay people should be killed for their choices, in this 21st century?

Think of it this way, if we had very rich country host a world cup but had a historical culture of killing people on basis of their skin color, ie killing black people, wouldn't you chime in advocating for the global platform to be used as a means of sensitizing others to the danger of the issue??

LGBT rights have not been an issue in the last few world cups because gays are not killed in the countries that have hosted them and the host countries have had no issue with LGBT fans. From Russia18, to Brazil14 to south Africa10 and Germany 06, all these countries are quite receptive to LGBT people.

But you have this in a country where gay people are publicly hanged to death. the country is hostile to gay people which means that fans who used to go to the world cup with their partners would be unable to do that. Common man, that's not right.

A001:
You want the Igbo tribe and culture to die? If you don't uphold your native culture, it'll die.

Do you want that to happen? If many Igbo people behave like that, the Igbo culture will soon die a natural death.

You can't do without a culture. If you feel otherwise, show me a man without a culture?

Even if you discard the Igbo culture, you'd still adopt another culture which will most likely be a Western culture.

You uphold your culture for self-preservation and self-determination of your people.

To function well in a society, everyone needs some sort of programming, which is what cultures are.

But there are bad programs (bad aspects of a culture) in all cultures that people should condemn.
And one should learn to learn, unlearn, and relearn to get rid of any bad programs they got from the social conditioning of culture.
It's not realistic to say that people should do away with culture.
It's like saying a person should stop breathing, that they would survive without air.

It's simply impossible. Your culture is your identity. It's what defines your personality, whether you like it or not.

This is too broad and theoretical.

I'm asking you to be more specific about the advantages of me upholding Igbo culture.

What is the advantage of me having an Igbo identity?
Please note that I'm very specific about my tribe here? You could also answer using your own tribe as the example if it suits your answer better.

A001:
You may not like my takes on other issues, especially as regards religion. I'm an agnostic, but I use my posts to promote the use of scientific method and the local cultures (the good aspects).

Can you point out specific advantages of the "local cultures"?

A001:
Thanks for letting us know your culture has no good thing in it. Is there anything good in your tribe at all?

Your tribe is the worst or one of the worst on Earth because your masters (the Arabs) say so?

Better go and research the history of your religion and your people and see the truth so you can emancipate yourself from mental slavery.

I know the culture of Arabs is the best in the world as far as you're concerned because it's the culture of Mohammed, the best of mankind. Lols

Some experts would soon coin a name for this sort of mental illness exhibited by fanatics.

Please answer me this in few words.
What are the advantages of upholding traditional cultures? As for me, I'm a liberal, which means I advocate for constant change, progress and upheaval to the status quo. I always think we should strive for better change, but I digress.

Back to my question, can you tell me tge advantages of me being an Igbo man? What do you think being Igbo means to Igbo people? What are the benefits of being Igbo? Why should I maintain my identity as an Igbo man?

Spy360:
Dayo needs to make a public apology for making those comments if he hasn't done so. Those comments are terrible. If he doesn't apologize I won't blame you for calling him out.

However, you have made your point. No need to continue. Your fight here has been seen and records taken. Let this go. You have done your job.

Finally!!!!
Someone that gets me!
Why I've been been sooo persistent on this is because I think people still do not understand the motive behind the points he makes here especially pertaining to politics.

I want it to be extremely clear to the blind that dayo's motives for political support does not come from a place of primarily wanting to see Nigeria work but just purely on the basis of tribalism. Nigeria working is just a secondary benefit to the first.

You see me lamenting about abroadians as pertaining to this election because people here don't yet seem to grasp that these individuals virtually have no stake in these elections. We are just numbers for their viewing pleasure and satiety.
They are very far detached from the consequences and realities of a bad decision taken during elections.

Look at dayo who consistently and staunchly campaigned for buhari across the board here, rather than hide his face in shame after seeing the disaster than buhari turned out to be, he is doubling down now and still misleading people and people can't still understand that this person is a tribal warrior.
I want to make sure that that point is solidly driven home before the elections are here

reccy:
Truly, I have seen the examples of downsides or negatives of Culture sha. But this your example no just follow because I know where it stems from. You know now and you know that I know and you also know that I know that you know.

Secondly, for the fact that he said those things in politics section ( you and I know how rough the section is) should tell you he might probably responding or giving it in kind to one animal there.... I have known egbon from Chelsea, and bayern threads, I have not seen an element of this from him even when politics or other issues was being discussed.

I invite you to shield this and let this slide. No dy reason am like that. Kosi werey leko.
O ye ko ti jasi now.............

I want you to do just one thing.
Click on this posts below and tell me who or what provoked these extreme talking points? When you're done you will recognize how inane it is to try and justify this amount of hate.
Just check out these posts below and be baffled.

https://www.nairaland.com/2170484/fashola-got-tongue-lashed-saying#31140690

https://www.nairaland.com/1018933/ojukwu-killed-lt-col-banjo/9#11864997
https://www.nairaland.com/2001202/oba-ikotuns-mother-died-what#28097212

raumdeuter:
What are some of the dangers of being a rapist and the guys you raped who placed a curse on you

Dayo can you define rape and how this post of mine depicts rape??
And last I checked, you were the one defending actual rapist's on this forum. Once you hear any girl has been raped, was your first course of action not to blame the victim and defend the perpetrator??

raumdeuter:
Life has set you up to be the butt of all jokes and anything that has to do with failure

You have been quoted on this forum that you joined to rappe and beat up young boys that they were sent to the hospital, What could be worst than being a rapist?

You will watch terrified little boyz, take them to the bush beat them till they are sore, rape them and you have the guts to mention hate
You are a criminal a rapist and a failure in life. I can wager than some of those boys you molested placed a curse on you and you cannot escape it

You see dayo, you see how you have to invent narratives against me, while I'm literally using YOUR OWN WORDS.
I don't need to twist words or manufacture false narratives or evidence, I'm literally using YOUR OWN WORDS.

Dayo when I say you are formenting hate across the internet, your words below prove me right, when I call you a black Hitler, your own words below prove me right. Hitler hated an entire group of people, people with a "certain blood". Then he sent them to labor and concentration camps where they died. Hitler deported Jews that had lived in the land for more than 100 years, here you are, advocating the same.
Man, I'm not the one painting you black, your own words are doing the work for me.

raumdeuter:
Have you noticed that the mental patient is the only one formenting trouble everytime

And when he gets bitchslapped as usual he will be bleating like a baby goat

He has posted the screenshot and no one gives a shit any longer about it now in unrelated post he must find a way to drag Dayo into his madness

It's not unrelated man, we're talking about the perils of tribalism and you are it's poster child. You are all that is wrong with people clinging on to meaningless tribal identities.

Fostering tribal wars while being secure from it's consequences.

raumdeuter:
At 2am when most people are sleeping Dayo is still giving someone sleepless nights.

Long may your woes continue in this life and the next if there is one

Unfortunately man, you set yourself up to be the epitome of all that is wrong with our society. Your post's which depict a begrudging hate towards an entire group of people will continue to be used as an example of what people shouldn't be.

A good and successful person would never ever ever say these things.

Ibime:
Na today I first hear say Morgan Freeman get sexual allegations against am

These people really carry Qatar for mind. Dem go soon drag all David Beckham mistresses out the closet since he decided to be ambassador for Qatar

Wait, against who was freeman accused?

reccy:
For a moment, I wanted to ignore you but bro is there need to bring anybody's comment or screenshot to this? Are you seeking for my opinion to validate your stance here? I'm not in for any problems you have with anybody here.....
For whatever that comment means, I have reservations on that.

You see that jude of a boy/man, he has a different way of playing with words and he has good handwriting! I always enjoy his take especially on international politics and economy.

If there is anything I hate aside being idle, its Culture especially the ones display in my state. Whoever experiences the so culture from my tribe will know that, that shit has caused more harm, segregation, pains, loss, death and injustice to the women than good. I mean, what is the benefit of tagging one awkward shit as a culture to inflict pain on someone Are you mad or stupid or both

I hate it when one stupid entity tells me its OUR CULTURE! That is how it's been since time immemorial by our forefathers!
Oh! Spare me that gilberish!!!
such a wicked forefather that could not think of better thing as culture than killing?

That concept- Culture, is an illusion, I mean, it's never exist, It's a human design, it's a human construct to show their societal characters to us. They just tacitly add language in their definitions.


When I did that course in 100 level,( Nigeria people and their culture) I nearly cried. Thank God I managed to pass it. I cannot see myself studying shits that is not adding up nor is it making sense.

As to your first point, I don't have a problem with anyone. I was making a point about tribalism and I gave you an example of one of it's downsides or negatives. I was highlighting how tribalism breeds unnecessary division and disharmony.
Further more, let's even suppose that I have a problem with the individual, does it still take away from the message passed? Does the messenger have anything to do with the substance of the message?

Let's say you have an enemy who you hate Soo much, if that enemy of yours brought a message of warning that perhaps someone poisoned your food which you were about eating, will your hatred of the messenger make you not take his warning and act accordingly??
In short, does my "supposed problem" with dayo have anything to do with the fact that he engaged in extreme hateful rhetorics and warmongering while being 10000 kilometers away from the problem?

As to your second point, seems we both agree with each other, tribalism should be eliminated as soon as possible. Tribal identities are completely useless and even inimical to our modern society.
I know of an old Igbo class mate of mine in uni who had a long standing relationship with his babe who was a gbagi girl. Gbagi is a minority tribe around abuja and niger state, because of their religious and tribal differences, the parents forbade and rejected the marriage.

Tribalism is terrible.

reccy:
When I read your write up, I'm left with the kind of brain you are wired with!!!!

Weird takes!!!

That was actually a very brilliant take from Jude.
Few days ago here, someone was saying that there is nothing like being detribalized and I could only laugh at such an inane take.
Myself and I'm sure many others here have spent most of our lives in cities which are by nature diverse. Throughout our lives in this modern era, we've been exposed to different cultures, different habits, different foods, people of diverse backgrounds etc etc.

Many of us here had teachers from very diverse backgrounds and denominations, we had friends from different tribes, such that our tribal identities have been shed to a very large extent.

For me as an individual, my name may be the only tribal identity I possess. I barely dress in Igbo traditional attire, my meals are a blend of different traditions, I barely speak my language because I'm in a city. I mean I want to think that I'm as detribalized as can be. I'm not defined by my tribal identity and I don't carry my tribe for head.
Afterall, my great great grand parents were killing twins for fun. They were sacrificing their fellow human beings to invisible deities, they were segregating amongst themselves (osu). Should I be proud of such a culture??

What is the benefit of belonging to a particular tribe? What is the natural advantage an Igbo person has that a Yoruba person doesn't and vice versa?
Tribe is a human construct that needs to he cast away as soon as possible. Tribalism is simply a tool of division amongst the human race. How do you explain a person who claims he's successful in life harboring an opinion such as this?

A001, I asked earlier. Does Islam as a religion forbid alcohol? And if it does, what is the punishment?