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Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 5:31pm On Sep 10, 2016*

orisa37:
A Helper is not equal to A Help Meet. This is Grammar.

"meet" there is old King James english for "qualified" or "good enough" or "fit"

Politics › Re: Peter Obi Visits Vatican For The Canonization Of Mother Teresa by donnie(m): 9:53pm On Sep 09, 2016

DorisK:
Sorry, post was too long for me to read

But you can sit and say 50 Hail marys, with Our Father, I beleive, hail holy queen, etc without complaining? Abgeg make I hear

Christianity Etc › Re: Chris Oyakhilome Preaching Witchcraft, Author Blasts Over Anti-feminist Sermon by donnie(m): 8:41pm On Sep 09, 2016

Topgainer:
Are you the next Gombs and J. O Agbaje? You chose that your warped judge not and touch not my anointed as it pleases you especially to shy away from the fact that false teachings must be exposed.
That woman I am seeing is healthier than your god Pastor Oyaks and will see heaven before your Chris except Chris repents from deceiving people and preaching messages Jesus didn't teach.

^^ Another sick fellow

Politics › Re: Lai Mohammed Pictured In A Queue For #ChangeBeginsWithMe by donnie(m): 2:58pm On Sep 09, 2016

That young guy on a black jacket in front should be one of nairaland's zombie e-worriors

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Christianity Etc › Re: Chris Oyakhilome Preaching Witchcraft, Author Blasts Over Anti-feminist Sermon by donnie(m): 2:52pm On Sep 09, 2016

She is sick, she needs help. ThAt message was preached almost a decade ago.
She resemble who him husband go talk one she go talk two...dats if she get husband.

TV/Movies › Re: Throwback: Olu Jacobs In "The Dogs Of War" (Pics/Video) by donnie(m): 10:41pm On Sep 08, 2016

Keneking:
Ok...

1. What does the film analyse?
2. From what perspective is the film enacted?
3. What is the epistemological relationship towards Africanness?

PhD thesis... grin

Politics › Re: Peter Obi Visits Vatican For The Canonization Of Mother Teresa by donnie(m): 7:03pm On Sep 08, 2016*

cyrilamx:
...the idea of sola scriptura(sctipture alone) promoted by the first protester- Luther doesn't even has scriptural backing...and do u know that the church existed 300 years without the Bible, so where did the early Christians based their authority?

You lie! Or rather, you beleived a lie. The scriptures have always been sacred to God's people as they were regarded as God's Word. Early in history, God began the construction of a book which became the medium of His revelation of Himself to man. It began with the Ten commandments which were written on stone. [Deut 17:18] Moses' laws written in a book were put in the Ark [Deut 31:24-26]. As Early as the days of Samuel, the first record of Israel's history was preserved in the School of the prophets where there was both academic and religious training. [2kings 22:8; Jeremiah 36:32; Zechariag 1:12].

However, the progression of the Canon of the Old Testament books was gradual. The Pentateuch was recognized as canonical when Ezra read the Torah to the people publicly. [Ezra 7:6, Nehemiah 8:5]. Ezra and Nehemiah were social and religious reformers who desired clear and definite guidiance for the people and so set up the Pentateuch as the standard for faith and moral instruction.

The Jewish tradition believes that Ezra, the renowned scribe and reformer was the first person to compile the Old testament.As these books were written beginning with Moses, they were at the time recognised as inspired by God and placed in the tabernacle or the temple along with the collection of sacred writtings. During the Babylonian captivity, they were scattered, and many copies destroyed.

It is believed that Ezra after returning from captivity, re-assembled these scattred copies and restored them to their original place in the temple. From the temple other copies were made for the synagogues. So Ezra the prophet led the first recognition council.

The complete works of Josephus asserts that the Old Testament cannon was fixed during the reign of Artexerxes (the time of Ezra).

His words... We have but 22 books containing the history of all time, books beleived to be divine. Of these, 5 belong to Moses, containing his laws and the traditions of the origin of mankind down to the time of his death. From the death of Moses to the reign of Artaxerses the prophets who succeeded Moses wrote the history of events that occured in their own time, in 13 books. The remaining 4 books comprise hymns to God and precepts for the conduct of human life. from the days of Artaxerxes to our times every event had indeed been recorded; but these recent records have not been deemed worthy of equal credit with those which preceded them, on account of the failure of the exact succession of prophets. There is practical proof of the spirit in which we treat our scriptures; for though so great an interval of time has now passed, not a soul has ventured to add or to remove or to alter a syllable; and it is the instinct of every Jew, from the day of his birth, to consider these scriptures as the teaching of God, and to abide by them, and, if need be, cheerfully to lay down his life on their behalf."

This testimony is held in very high regard. Josephus who was born in AD 37 in Jerusalem, was from the Hasmonean (priestly) aristocracy. He received an extensive education in Jewish and Greek cultures. He was governor of Galilee and military commander in the wars with Rome.

These words of Josephus unquestionably concurs with:
1. The beleif of the Jewish nation of Jesus' day as to what books comprised the Hebrew scriptures.
2. The belief that the collection of books had been completed and predetermined for 400 years preceeding his time.

PRINCIPLES GUIDING THE CHOICE OF CANONICAL BOOKS:

1. They were books that had been in existence for a considerable time and were well known.
2. They were books associated with some great names e.g. Books of Moses, Psalms of David, the Proverbs of Solomon.
3. They were books closely associated with national history or with national festivals.
4. It was believed that the voice of God was heard in all the books admitted into the canon, as He had spoken to the Patriachs, leaders and prophets of the Hebrew race.
5. They were recognized or quoted by Christ or the apostles.

UNCANONICAL BOOKS Historically many wrote novels and fantastic stories about Jesus Christ; His life and His parents, and other Bible chracters. This became a problem for the early church to decide which books were inspired until the final settlement at the council of carthage in 397A.D. There were also a group of fable books which were rejected from the present canon of scriptures.

REASONS FOR REJECTING UNCANONICAL BOOKS

1. They were not written by prophets and there were no prophetic elements is them.
2. The jews did not recognize them as inspired and part of scriptures.
3. They were not recognized or quoted by Christ and the Apostles.
4. Most were written during the space of the silent 400 year period between Malachai and the birth of Christ. It was so called, because of the gap in the biblical record and the silencing of the prophetic voice.
5. The authors do not claim divine authority.
6. The books contain statements at variance with bible history.
7. They are self contradictory and in some cases directly oppose the doctrines of scriptures.
8. Josephus who lived during the time of the apostles did nit recognise any of the books. He stated that the old testament in our present version was the only inspired writing.
9. The apocryphal were not a part of the ancient versions of scripture.
10. They reveal free use of the imagination which led to preposterous stories.
11. The genuineness of its apostolic origin could not be proven.

THE APOCRYPHA Apocrypha literally means,"that which is hidden". This the name usually given to the 14 books contained in some bibles between the old and new testaments.
They originated between the first to third centuries BC, mostly of uncertain authorship. They were added to the Greek Septuagint, which was a Greek translation of the Old Testament written in that period. They were not co-opted into the Hebrew old Testament, because they were written after Old Testament prophecies, oracles and direct revelation had ceased.

Josephus rejected them as a whole. The jews never recognized them as part of the Hebrew scriptures. Neither did Jesus or any of the other New Testament writers ever quote from them. They were not accepted as cononical books.

In the council of Trent in 1546 A.D. THE ROMAN CATHOLICS accepted these books and added them to their modern version of scripture known as the Douay Version. These books are: 1Esdras, 2Esdras, Tobit, Judith, Rest of Esther, Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, Song of the Three Young Men, Susanna, Bel and the Dragon, Prayer of Manasses, 1Maccabees, 2Maccabees.

These books were declared uncanonical because they possessed little or no evidence of divine inspiration and authority; neither did they have bearing with redemption by faith. Hence they are not a part of the scripture as a rule of faith for every christian.
It must be understood that the bible is not an authorised collection of books but it is a collection of authorised books.

IN THE DAYS OF JESUS They had The Scriptures which they read from and which later became known as The Old Testament. The people commonly regarded it as having come from God and as the Word of God. Jesus recognized it thus [Luke16:29] and it was read publicly and taught regularly in the synagogues [Luke 4:21].

THE EARLY CHURCH: As the writings of the apostles appeared, they were added to the Jewish scriptures as were held in the same sacred regard. Each church wanted not only what had been addressed to it, but copies of writtings addressed to other churches. The collections of writings of the apostles for the church began while they were still alive and were personally supervised by them. They were placed with the old testament as the Word of God.

PAUL declared that his teachings were divinely inspired [1Cor 2:7-13; 24:37; 1Thes 2:13]. From his epistles, it was obvious that his intention was for them to be read in the churches. [Col 4:16; 1Thes 5:27].

PETER (your pope) wanted them to have these things always in their remembrance [2Pet1:15]. PETER referred to Paul's epistles in his epistle as scripture [2Pet 3:15-16].

Now let me come to you. I would not have taken time to give you all this information if you hadn't begun to refer to protestants as without a definite history or connection to the apostles and prophets while pretending and protraying yourself and your Roman catholic church as custodians of the scripture.

Time will not let me delve into the many attrocious activities and the attempt by the roman catholic church to conceal the scriptures during the dark ages (a period or worldliness where corruption, greed and politics ruled the church).

The bible as we have it today came to us by the blood of many who were killed as heretics by the Roman catholic authorities because they beleived that eveyone should have apportunity to hear and read the truth of God's Word. As long as people are uninformed and in the dark with little or no knowledge of God's word, you can tell them anything and they will beleive. They even sold indulgences to those who could afford for the "forgiveness of sins" and to reduce the days they will spend in purgatory.

Since their failed attempt at concealing truth, and in order to continue in their corruption unchallenged, they carried out Plan B: To water down the truth such that it looses its relevance as divinely inspired and a guide for faith, society and everyday living. They would rather that the Papacy maintained its wicked control, giving dictates as the so-called vicar of Christ. They introduced uncanonical books and mixed heathen cultures and traditions with the faith handed down by the apostles of the Lord.

You my friend unfortunately want to sell the same lies. But it will not work.

Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 5:27pm On Sep 08, 2016

neocortex:
Yes if an organisation has a discriminatory rule that prevents you from being the boss no matter how
intelligent, qualified and skilled you are, then you are no different from a slave, a pawn to be used and
discarded at will.

Interesting! Meaning that these feminist movements have in their agenda the hope that they will someday overthrow the men and become husbands?

Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 5:01pm On Sep 08, 2016*

sirliu:
If you're taking relationship advice from a man who has failed in his marriage and has gone against the bible in leaving his wife, then you're stupid. It's like taking financial advice from someone who just got bankrupt.

Did he leave his wife or his wife left him?
If you know the truth correct yourself otherwise we can safely conclude that you are not only a liar but too stupid to realise that your deception will easily be uncovered.

Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 4:52pm On Sep 08, 2016

pippimp:
Guy. The fraudster/pastor is talking rubbish. Husband means "PARTNER" not master. They both compliment each other. What he should have said was, traditionally, the husband is expected to "LEAD". It is normal for one of two partners to lead. That's just how it is. But to claim that the man is the master is just stupidity on his part. I wonder why people listen to people like this?

Husband means partner to you? Meaning you can call your business partners your husbands?

You called him a fraudster, stupid... we shouldn't listen to Pastor Chris but to you?

You need help, maybe brain surgery.

Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 3:46pm On Sep 08, 2016

diva90:
I didn't even bother to read... This is probably the reason why his marriage failed! And any husband that thinks this way is a complete failure who has refused to appreciate the worth of a woman by his side. Your wife shouldn't be your slave, she should be a companion and helpmate.

Ok now you can go back and read. Dont feel bad afterwards, just correct yourself.

Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 3:41pm On Sep 08, 2016

repogirl:
I pity people who swallow the words of their pastors hook line and sinker instead of reading the Bible for themselves in order to understand it.

So, my husband is the master while I am slave abi? Very funny.
I understand that the husband is the head of the household, just as how Christ is the head of the Church.

Now, Christ the Lord and saviour who is the head of the church and son of God Almighty brought him self so low that he washed his disciples feet. Now which master /Slave relationship works that way?

These men are deluding themselves, megalomaniacs looking for respect and worship by force. God has made men and women equal heirs to his kingdom, how much more here on earth.

Granted men and women play different roles in the family but saying a wife doesn't qualify as an adviser or what not is totally wrong. Both should work together, the man doing his part and the woman supporting him where ever he needs support, not just pleasing him like a freaking puppet or doll.

This Pastor sounds as if women are to become 'oh yes master' all the time even if she is dying within, even if the husband is a violent monster who keeps battering her because he enjoys it. Or if he is a drunk womaniser who doesn't take care of his family.

Respect is very well earned and not by force or not because one so called man of God tells you that you are the master. Even masters need good counsel from subordinates all the time, so what is one so called man of God who could not hold his marriage together talking about?

did you read the post at all?

Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 3:15pm On Sep 08, 2016

mikolo80:
no, it means choose your master with sense

comedians everywhere grin

Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 3:08pm On Sep 08, 2016

AnonyNymous:
'Anointed' and 'commissioned' by who? Were you present at the anointment ceremony? Or are you unaware that any 15 year old eloquent speaker can claim to be anointed? Mental Slavery at its finest.

Were you present when your mother gave birth to you? As soon as your mum put to bed, they took her baby away to "wash" then they later handed you over to her and told her you were her's and she believed. They told you same and you believed.

Are you not aware that many women have been given other people's kids for theirs? You must be a mental slave.

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Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 2:56pm On Sep 08, 2016

ever811:
worshiper of man,where is his own wife?

She is busy at her office. I should bring her to nairaland and show you?

Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 2:39pm On Sep 08, 2016

Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 2:35pm On Sep 08, 2016

ladja2013:
Are you married at all? If yes ,I can understand wia u a coming from. It wife call the shot .Period.
If u a not married ,give the script to ur would be wife to read and digest. Then conduct a test for her to be sure she gt the point straightforward. If possible hang it in ur bedroom as a perpetual reminder.

ROTFL!

Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 9:55am On Sep 08, 2016

ifenes:
Do you know why feminists are on the rise? Those are women who are tired of the "godly principles" They want to be free from the role forced on them by naive men who created a silly book to enslave them.

Its just one of the signs of the las days... not just for women.

2Timothy 4:3-4
For the timewill come when men will not tolerate sounddoctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their owndesires.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by donnie(m): 1:42am On Sep 08, 2016

dyydxx:
wow,i must say this is an interesting read.I have never been part of Christ embassy or it's programmes but what worries me is the so called blatant disregard of the word by this so called man of God. it makes the level of hypocrisy stink to high heavens and I just wonder how true believers with clean consciences can come and defend this pastor and some of his actions. Bible says by their fruits you shall know them. Okay let me give an instance.

Bible says in 1 tim 3:1-7 the qualifications for leading the house of God.

1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 one that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (for if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil

The word is very clear on the requirements to lead the flock of God. it says the overseer must be a husband of one wife and can rule his household well including having his children in subjection to his authority. It then goes further to say that if an overseer cannot achieve this, how can he rule over the flock of God? Now what baffles me is how CE die hard loyalists somehow feel that Pst Chris is exempt from this rule. How can Pst chris that is divorced now lecture the church on marriage? He can't even keep his wife or home yet he's the role model of some of these followers? what does he want to teach them about marriage? The same secrets that made his marriage a failure. the levelof hypocrisy is just stunning

I feel your pain and frustration bro

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Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 11:29pm On Sep 07, 2016

ifenes:
So you get to speak for women? Let them speak for themselves. Many of them are oppressed by selfish cultures and religions.

So you have the exclusive right to speak for women? There are many women who are enjoying their marriages having understood these godly principle of submission.

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Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 10:38pm On Sep 07, 2016

ifenes:
And that's barbaric. Well it's up to s woman to accept that. Some do based on religion and that sucks

Babaric? Maybe to you, definitinely not to the good wife who feels safe, secure and well catrered for by her strong and loving husband.

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Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 10:30pm On Sep 07, 2016

MrPresident1:
A good marriage is the perfect master-servant relationship, there can not be two captains on a ship. The man is the head of the house, in Hausa he is Maigida meaning owner of the house, in Yoruba he is Iba-ile meaning father of the house, in Igbo he is Nnaanyi meaning our father.

The old word from husbondi from which husband is derived means Master of the house.

Any woman who is not ready to submit to the law of the man she wants to marry should not ever ever consider getting married. The master of the wife must love his wife to the extent of being able to put down his life for her. This is the model of marriage presented by Christ.

Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 10:29pm On Sep 07, 2016

ifenes:
Preside over what? The male and female are equals. But religion generally look down on women. A Master is the opposite of a Servant.

As master, the man has control over his entire household, his wife inclusive.

Jokes Etc › Re: Imagine If A Nigerian Owned Facebook. This Is How He Would Introduce Himself by donnie(m): 10:02pm On Sep 07, 2016

wellstryme:
This post is depressing..what is the purpose of this poo

Say the truth... You were depressed before you saw this post.

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Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 9:51pm On Sep 07, 2016

ifenes:
If you are a boss, you preside over workers. Spit it out! Say it! The woman is a slave according to your bible.

"Preside" is definitely not a synonym for "enslave"

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Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 9:42pm On Sep 07, 2016

ifenes:
It meant a woman shouldn't speak or give a speech in a church! Any woman who wants to be free should boycott Christianity. It isn't for them.

The opposite of Master is Slave. Women are slaves according to the bible.

So if you are not the boss in the organization where you work, you are a slave?

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Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 9:32pm On Sep 07, 2016

ifenes:
What religion said a woman should be silent? What did my Christ Embassy mean by a husband is the master? You have failed to answer the question so far.

The woman should be silent, not disturbing the meeting trying to talk to her husband (women and men sat seperately those days). She should rather wait till they get home., then she can go on and on talking, "ehen my Lord, did you see so so and so's wife, hmmm hypocrite woman..."

grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 8:46pm On Sep 07, 2016

HMZi:
oga i no get energy 4 endless banter,so u go figure out the 'word' his adding.

Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 8:39pm On Sep 07, 2016

Greatzeus:
Just like Adeboye said,his teachings on marriage is not for everybody.Even so what Pastor Chris is saying is not for everybody.
So no need to work yourself up,his message is for Christians,whose sole authority in all matters of life is the Holy Bible.Those who wants to please God,not some bunch of hypocrites who hide behind their Phones and PC to spew trash at those they will never ever measure up to in life.
They will soon come and pour out their frustration on life and personal failure on Pastor Chris,the way they did on Pastor Adeboye's advice on marriage.

GBAM!

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Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 8:35pm On Sep 07, 2016

chisco82:
If u re not a femnist you out to have seen where he said a woman is a helper.

Thank you jare

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Christianity Etc › Re: "Husband Means Master" - Chris Oyakhilome by donnie(op): 5:20pm On Sep 07, 2016

HMZi:
Is this what happened to his marriage? Pastors should stick to the word of GOD and stop including additions of their own...yes the husband is the head of the house but master? is the woman the slave or servant?..

So what Word of God are you sticking to and which one is the MOG adding? Can you be specific?

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