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locosis007:
Hbd to him.


Belike Chris embassy pastors like daughter as kids..his 3, pastor Chris 2.

God bless him

That's good na... at least bloggers cannot say "close sources" revealed that he plans to hand over church leadership to his son.

The BLW nation celebrates as one of God's generals and senior Pastor in the BLW nation adds another year.

Today is the Birthday of the highly esteemed Director of Church ministry, Believers loveworld, Rev. Tom Amenkhienan, who is an exemplary leader and follower of the great Man of God Rev. Dr. Chris Oyakhilome.

Thank you Sir for your work and labour of love. Thank you for your example of humility.

youngest85:
why is he dark in ds pix?

Its not a professional pic...low lighting.

Very warm greetings pour in from around the world. Sis Sharon, popularly called CSO, really is an inspiring person, a leader and she does great music too...
Below are a few posts from KingsChat.

Happy Birthday CSO!

LordCenturion:
just tell me what religion has done to help people of this country, just tell me two things.

I already told you, open a thread and let me shame you and your stingy, loud mouthed, frustrated gang by filling it with great reports of good works done by Christians and ministers in and for this country.

LordCenturion:
You see what I said the other day , Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg and the rest are truly men and women of GOD not those useless pastors /imams that call themselves men of god instead of men of Dog, can oyedepo do this in his own country?, or can Chris okotie, or oyakhilome nor oritsejafor or adeboye instead they are ready to collect tithe and offering from that $1 million.... Useless people..... They collect money in exchange for their useless prayers, fraudsters....
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You are very stupid. Talking carelessly. What you said is it based on research or you are merely reiterating useless beer parlour gist ?
When you cannot boldly confront your political leaders to live up to their responsibilities, you choose preachers as your scapegoats abi?

I challenge you to open a thread and I will fill it up with the good works of a few of God's ministers that I know.

the dog resemble wetin electric shock.

Muafrika2:
Well Donnie, bible scholar; Thank God you are here.

Maybe you can help promise10 (and I) with this. This are his posts. Support them with scriptures point by point... you can go back to the original point through the links to the posts...

I'll break them down to points








Promise10 feel free to help you brother in arms here. Scriptures please. Not human theories. Take all the time you need. Or we can directly embark on those vicious cycles I refered to. Your angry friend Gombs can help too. Looking forward to having my limited knowledge enriched

1.Old and new are products of abrahamic covenant.

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Galatians 4:22-28
For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman.
But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise.
Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar.
Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children.
But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.
For it is written, Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear; break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor! For the children of the desolate one will be more than those of the one who has a husband.
Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.

Romans 9:7-8
Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Galatians 3:16-19
Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, And to offsprings, referring to many, but referring to one, And to your offspring, who is Christ.
This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void.
For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
3:19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary.


2.The difference btw old and new is that the old was conditional via keeping of the law.

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Find answer in text provided above.


3. In the new, the old was renewed by the abolishing of the law which made our dividend an UNCONDITIONAL one. (If you've read preceding posts, differentiate this from my explanation.

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Well, that's not my business.


4. Under the law, it was conditional, under grace it was conditional. (This I can find basis so don't bother.)
promise10 :

Please stop! (Ignore)
5. You have to understand what abrahamic covenant is and christ's role towards salvation.
5 A. [color=#000099] God had a covenant with abraham, and not Jesus. As Jesus is the incarnate son of God.
But, bro you are really messing things up, and that atheist is here making fun of you.
Bro, wake up and start reading your bible!(Ignore)
promise10 :
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6. God made a covenant with abraham, of which his ETERNAL descendants were part of.

7. Now, God NEVER ABOLISHED the abrahamic covenants. If you have to prove otherwise, you can go ahead.(you first need to establish the scriptural basis of this allegation)

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The Abrahamic covenant is an EVERLASTING covenant.
Genesis 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

Genesis 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.


8. Under Abrahamic covenant, God freely gives his people UNCONDITIONALLY FOR THE SAKE OF ABRAHAM'S FAITH IN HIM and it was an ABSOLUTE GRACE. (What! )


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Galatians 3:6-9 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.


9. And this happen BEFORE the law.

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Yes the Abrahamic covenant was BEFORE the law. You didn't know that?

Galatians 3:17 This is what I mean: The laws given to Moses 430 years after God had already put his promise to Abraham into effect didn't cancel the promise to Abraham.

Galatians 3:18 If we have to gain the inheritance by following those laws, then it no longer comes to us because of the promise. However, God freely gave the inheritance to Abraham through a promise.



10. The law was asked by the Israelites then, ( they asked? Show me where)


11. When the law came, the dividends of the covenant became CONDITIONAL.
(Hold on. Are you saying the laws of Moses converted the Abrahamic covenant from one form to another? I hope you can show this in scripture, )

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They asked the same question in the bible. The Abrahamic covenant cannot be converted, it is everlasting but the law made access to its blessings conditional upon obedience to the law.
Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

12. ... Now, God in his mercy and love created an incarnate son of himself ... And through this faith, we have an UNCONDITIONAL FREE ACCESS to the beneficiary of the abrahamic covenant.

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You will understand this if you have followed me without pride in your heart.


Romans 4:2 If Abraham had God's approval because of something he did, he would have had a reason to brag. But he could not brag to God about it.
Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 4:16 Therefore, the promise is based on faith so that it can be a gift. Consequently, the promise is guaranteed for every descendant, not only for those who are descendants by obeying Moses' Teachings but also for those who are descendants by believing as Abraham did. He is the father of all of us,

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

No Christian should shy away of judging whatever he or she believes according to the scriptures, regardless of how long he/she has held such beliefs.

Muafrika2:
It's no use. I'll just ask you to substantiate all the points you've made with scripture, to which you will respond with more unsubstantiated statement and exclamations. And it will be a vicious cycle. We've done this before

I have read through posts by promise10 and found them to be scripturally accurate. Its easy to see if you are a bible student.

Peacefullove:
That means difficult times won't end until the Lord start the battle , shey ? Till then, this so called national prayers won't change anything about this difficult times

The battle of kingdoms has already begun. It will culminate at Armageddon. From now until then we remain victorious, unconquerable an prosperous in the midst of tribulations until all the kingdoms of this world become His and He governs this world from Jerusalem.

As for prayer, you actually pretend not to see the reason I gave or you have been blinded from seeing it.

Peacefullove:
Which Kingdom ?

Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing and forceful people seize it.

Shaking the nations is not an issue here, the vital key aspect of Dan 2:44 said this present kingdoms or govts of the world will be broken to pieces and destroyed.

So how many kingdoms of the world have you guys destroyed so far ? Even Kenya una no fit destroy.

The battle is not ours but the Lord's. And every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

Peacefullove:
Lol, so their prayer can't stop difficult times

Peacefullove:
This is why some people claim religion is a disease, prophecy and Prayer are two different things . can their prayers make that prophesy a LIE ? if no, then its a waste of time since difficult times will still continue to abound until Daniel 2:44 is fulfilled !

Prayers helps us remain steadfast and unmovable in this kingdom as we approach the appearing of the king of kings.

Peacefullove:
You can deceive una sef sha, how many kingdoms have you guys break in pieces and have overthrown so far ?

The Lord almighty has already spoken concerning us. You may choose to lie to yourself but its happening already... The shaking has begun... systems and structures are failing.
The nations of the world are confused not knowing what to do

Haggai 2:6-8

For thus saith Jehovah of hosts: Yet once, it is a little while, and I will shake the heavens, and the earth, and the sea, and the dry land;
and I will shake all nations; and the precious things of all nations shall come; and I will fill this house with glory, saith Jehovah of hosts.
The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith Jehovah of hosts.


Isaiah 60:1-5

Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of Jehovah is risen upon thee.
For, behold, darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the peoples; but Jehovah will arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.
And nations shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: they all gather themselves together, they come to thee; thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be carried in the arms.
Then thou shalt see and be radiant, and thy heart shall thrill and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be turned unto thee, the wealth of the nations shall come unto thee.

Peacefullove:
This is why some people claim religion is a disease, prophecy and Prayer are two different things . can their prayers make that prophesy a LIE ? if no, then its a waste of time since difficult times will still continue to abound until Daniel 2:44 is fulfilled !

Difficult times will surely abound as we approach the end of this age. However, we as believers have already overcome the world through Christ and as such we reign and shine as stars in the midst of darkness.

These are the last days and we believers are part of that kingdom (Daniel 2:44) that will break in pieces and overthrow every other kingdom. Prayers helps us remain steadfast and unmovable in this kingdom as we approach the appearing of the king of kings.

oyetpel:
Nigeria: A country where its men of God can ordain a president or a governor as a pastor or deacon at their first coming to there church.

Mention where and when that happened. liar!

Rather its the other way round. It is God who sends ordained ministers to shine the light as politicians. Eg. Engr. Deacon Dave Umahi, Governor of Ebonyi state and Barr. Deacon Kingsley Otuaro, Deputy Governor of Delta state. These two are from Christ Embassy and have been following Pastor Chris for decades. They have also been exemplary as politicians.

gemale:
Hw many idle hands hv these 'brilliant, genius' minds employed?

Hw many of D numerous problems bedeviling our nation hv dey solved? Hw much r dey contributn 2 D national GDP? D honest answer is zilch, zero, nada. 4 Christ's sake, dey dnt even pay ordinary tax. IMO aliko dangote is a more useful, lyf-touching, positively influencing person dan a lot of MOG s in 9ja.

You are very uninformed or maybe you pretend not to see and simply tow the popular line of foolish talkers.

Look, you will need to create a separate thread because this one simply cannot contain the various exploits of Kingdom representatives in and for this country Nigeria if we are to chronicle them.

Acidosis:
All nations pray so keep your mouth shut. Name one reasonable developed nation without a popular Pastor, you inferiority complexed never to do well black unthinking Africans who always associate their unethical backwardness with other peoples' religion.

Just shut up already. Why is Joel Osteen not receiving the blame for America's backwardness?

Why haven't you killed TD Jakes for the backwardness of USA?

Why don't you blame Yongi Cho for the corruption in South Korea you black 'brained' corrupt Africans?

My religion shouldn't be blamed for your redundancy.


White Christian Missionaries gave you schools, they gave you hospitals and all you need, yet you won't stop killing yourselves over nothing. They should have left you all in the dark where you all truly belong to kill twins and albinos for dinner and lunch; kill innocent people for a dead king in tbe name of abobaku while you terrorize your women and widows with oro cultists and never to do well widowhood terrorists in the east; you black, wicked, soul-less and lazy corrupt monkeys.


Without this same religion, where would you all be today?? Answer me?


All nations PRAY, repeat after me sir, ALL NATIONS PRAY!

Hahaahahah kikikiki.....great response! Weldone.
Btw, when i see Pastor Kumuyi on same pulpit as Dr. Oyakhilome, then I will know the rapture is less than a week to go ...lol

plaetton:
Acidosis,
I remember a very memorable quote of yours.
The one in which you wrote
" Common sense is your enemy " ( when it comes to religion) .

With that quote in mind, I see clearly where you're coming from.


Now, back to the issue.

In every nation, there are always a small minority of people who exist and live on the fringes of lunacy. These are not policy makers nor people who influence the direction of national policies.

Joel Olstein, T.J Jakes, Benny Hinn, Crefto Dollar, etc, are the similar set of charlatans that feed fat on the people on these fringes.

Now, here is the problem.

In Nigeria, the far majority of the population are beholden to magical thinking, and are permanently stationed on the fringes of lunacy.

For charlatans like Kumuyi and Oyedepo, these are inexhaustible resources to mine and exploit for huge profits.

In the countries that you mentioned above, men and women whose worldviews are anchored on magical thinking are not allowed to filter through their systems and occupy positions where they make decisions that affect the entire populations.

Aside from being daylight money fraudsters, these two men spread a horrible mental disease that takes many many generations to cure.

It is on nairaland that you find folks who know nothing pretending to be smart simply because they hate the church.

Its folks like these who visit Christ Embassy and feel intimidated by excellent productive, genius and forward thinking minds.

I no blame una, na the rccg bretheren wey bring their in-house family discussion come public forum /court I blame. The Mog as a father advices his children, yet neighbours are complaining.

chiedu7:
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Since our mega star preachers have refused to condemn the killings, it's now left to our naked women to act.

Shame on all the tithe collecting silent preachers

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PS
Thanks Ayodele and Suleiman for speaking up
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Since your representatives have failed you, you turn to your usual scape goats, the preachers ba? Silly child.

Glory to God. Just like at Pentecost, the Lord opened his understanding and he could hear you guys magnify the Lord in his own language.

Its an action music video/movie about a conspiracy against truth. WATCH:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHv0ziHgm2g

Ubenedictus:
And both Jesus and peter spoke aramaic, in aramaic it is 'u are cepha and upon this cepha i will build my church. so stop lying, d aramaic name paul called peter is cepha and it means rock not smal stone.

Lame argument. They spoke Aramic but you weren't there to report it in Aramic and so the writers of the NT reported in Greek. Is it not the English bible you read? You just pick the Aramic Word you think helps your argument. On the contrary, I have studied the original Greek text in which the writers wrote and I gave the exact words used by the writers.

I am telling you the new testament was originally written in Greek and you are here talking rubbish. The old Testament was originally written in Hebrew.

caracas:
For ur info the apostles were the first members of the church.To show further that he made Peter the head Christ when he was about to suffer n die asked Peter do u love me Peter said yes then Christ said" if u love me feed my sheep n take care of my flock"

Lie No 2! The New testament church did not begin until Pentecost when all 120 disciples ( not just the apostles) were born again, filled with the Spirit and therefore became the first members.
You are the one who has been brainwashed.

caracas:
See how u have bi n brain washed
Simple meaning u can't understand "Peter u are the rock n upon this rock I will build my church".
This was not a parable nor any figurative word it was literally spoken,cos the bible tells us that from that day Peter became the head of the apostles.
For ur info the apostles were the first members of the church.To show further that he made Peter the head Christ when he was about to suffer n die asked Peter do u love me Peter said yes then Christ said" if u love me feed my sheep n take care of my flock"

Lie No.1! Jesus Never said, "Peter you are the rock" as you deceitfully misquote scripture. He said, " You are Peter..." meaning: piece of a rock. The New Testament was originally written in Greek, not English. So go and do your Study. Peter was definitely a very senior apostle, evangelist and a great inspiration to the early church; but not the Pastor of the early church. Don't fool yourself.

kentus123:
Are you so sure you read fully about the life and times of Martin Luther, you just quoted.
Jesus gave the authority of the church to st. Peter on whom the catholic faith is founded.
visit the Vatican and see for your self, peter is buried along side other popes at a particular tomb. thus making st. Peter the first pope. you were with the light, catholic, because of your ignorance you chose darkness.
I was of the winners, but now I am of the light, proudly catholic.

They told me all that too. According to church history, James the brother of Jesus ( not Peter) was the pastor of the church in Jerusalem. Read about the church council in Jerusalem and see the role of James in Acts 15:13-23.

Rememebr it was James who sent men who'se arrival caused Peter to withdraw from eating with Gentiles resulting in Paul's rebuke. Gal 2:12.

In Mathew 16:18 Jeus said, "...You are Peter (Greek: "petros" meaning little peice of rock) and upon this rock ( Greek: "petra" meaning a mass of rock) i will build my church.."

The rock is not Peter. The rock is the revelation that Jesus is the Christ as revealed in the previous verse (vs 17). This is the rock upon which the church is built. Refuse to be fooled.

Handsomecole:
Proudly Roman Catholic, church found by no human other than our Lord Jesus Christ himself with Apostle Peter the Ist Pope. Over 2500 years of existence with unbroken tradition with over 4 billion worshippers around every corner of the Earth.

We are Catholics we are Proud...

4billion? big lie

enough promises abeg... just do it!

nnenneigbo:
He's been investigated by hmrc and needs to prove where all the church money goes to.

Is it the first time we are hearing of investigation? The press always celebrate and announce investigation but never announce the results. You know why? We come out clean to their shame and dissappointment.

Last time it was UK. Then that woman from the commision in SA swore they would send Pastor Chris to jail for not opening church books. The next month Pastor Chris was in SA for a mighty crusade at the FNB stadium.

Arrest ko... jail ni.

nnenneigbo:
It is people like you scammers I love in real live not online. Ikiku kuo, ahu Ike okuko.

The so called born agains are so quick to insult, no difference btw non born agains and the born agains.

The difference should be clear as night and day but it ain't. It's like Justin beibers fans, you guys ain't going as Jesus said but just fans of pastor Chris.

What big things are they doing around the world. The pastor is just taking the donations and lining his own personal pocket. Whatever big thing you're talking about is in ur head and dream, not real live.

Abeg goan siddan... you are used to us turning the other cheek ba? Nor worry, we still turn. But i insist, that the accusations leveled on this thread by you can only come from one who is crazy.

If what we do is of no sinificance why not leave us alone? Are we the only church?

Why deceive yourself?

ollah1:
FOOOOOL

How? That is not a prayer... Which God? let him mention the name. Anyways, none of my business. I wish them well... like to see Nigerians become global.

In God's name fire... Mention the name na, if you get liver.