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[b]A must read for u all,

Did u say Jesus or his apostles never talked about tithes?  I suggest u get a reference bible  and read carefully then u will see Jesus talk about tithes in His rebuke of the Pharasies and u will see the Apostle talk about tithes in the book of Hebrews. The question i have for u is: Are u a seed of Abraham? If u claim to be a christian, then u are claiming to be a seed of Abraham bc God cut his covenant and made his promise of salvation to abraham and to his seed. That is why we are children of God and heirs of God's glorious blessings and promises...because we are children of Abraham through christ. The bible says, " I f u belong to christ, then are u Abrham's seed and heirs according to the promise".

Galatians 3:16 -" Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ".


It also says that if u are Abraham's seed then u should walk as he did.  Abraham  remember, was given  the promises before ever the old testament began(with Moses)....And he paid his tithes before ever the old testament commanded us to do so. He did so as a man of faith and we as children of faith through him, do the same. So this is not an old testament doctrine but a fatih doctrine ok.

The old testament adopted this docttrine because there are blessings contained in it and also because they were children of Abraham according to the flesh(natural decendants). We are the spiritual children of Abrraham.

So if u ever sing that song," Abrraham's blessingas are mine" be careful because u have to be fully identified with him as your father to experience his blessings.

Besides u are pay your tithes nonetheless ...if not willingly, the devourer  takes it by force in form of sickness, accidents, un forseen circumstances, fraud, robbery etc. so be warned!

Some of you say u have been blessed already in christ...well the chrstian who died yesterday in a car accident was blessed already in christ as well. Also the one who dosn't seem to know what to do with his life as his bills far outweigh his income is also blessed in christ. You must understand that faith without works is dead. You must demonstrate your believing and your faith by your actions. Tihting tells the world, the devil and what ever force or power there may be that your money and belongings have been circumcised, seperated unto God, consecrated...u know what am saing?

God bless u as u learn Gods ways.[/b]

The Spirit is the real man. U are a spirit. You have a soul and you live in a body.

The soul on the other hand is the seat of your emotions, feelings, will etc.

The Spirit lives on after the body is dead and the soul lives on with it.

Hello Mr. Adeoye,

I have a question for u. Are u born again? What do u understand by 'sharing the grace'?. Have u been to the synagouge before? I can tell u with full assurance that u are speaking from what had already been told u...from what seems to b common beleif or saying. U had your mind clouded already either by religon(what u had supposed should b the norm) or misled by the out ward appearance of things. Do u know how many believers in this country and around the world have been tremendously graced by the minstry of this man of God?

Ministers attend his meetings around the world and are energised and graced for grater evangelism. I can bet that u are speaking form wht someone told u and not from what u know. Because to say u know means u have a revelation form God.

TB joshua may not b as eloquent as your favourite preachers but let me tell u, i am a minister myself and i know that what is required to see a move of God in your life and in the life of those around u is not eloquence of speach or fine theology and sermons but a tangible presence and power of the Holy Spirit.

His messages bless my life everytime i watch him  and i can see daily the work of the Holy Spirit who is the master teacher in His life.

He was illiterate, but that is what God needed, one who will not trust in His own abilities whom He can fully use.

Look at his life style. Just like Jesus: simple, generous, humble, and he speaks with plain and yet powerful words just as Jesus did. Talkin about being edified, Let me tell u something: u can prevent yourself from being edified without even knowing it. Jesus said, "u make the Word of God of none effect by your traditions"...what u have thought 'had always  been and should always be'.

Be mindful of what u say about Pastor Chris because I know him very well. The man is led of the Spirit of God. He did not make any mistake. It takes a Prophet to know a prophet. What lesson did u say he learnt ? Pastor Chris' Ministry is growing tremedously daily...His annointing has increased tremedously and the Lord is blessing Him right left and centre. He Holds the Largest meetings in this country ...if u are to be truthful to yourself, God has actually increased Him.

Let me tell u something ...If u read 1cor.12 you will see that the bible talks about diversities of gifts...not every preacher is called to establish churches as such, there are some that the bible refers to as called to work miracles. TB Josuah is a prophet and he is functioning in His office. He really does not Have the calling of a Pastor...If you Understand the five fold minstry. There are many who are pastoring churches today who aught not to.

Pastor Chris Oyakhilome on the Other hand said the Lord said to Him one time that He had given Him a coat of many colours... that is why some see Him as an evangelist, others Pastor, teacher, Prophet or Apostle. This is a rare kind of ministry. he is not a 'Nigerian Pastor'. He is called to reach the nations of the world and that is what He is doing with tremendous results.

He has large meetings in this country and around the world. His meeting in Port Harcourt drew a record attendance of 2.5 million people in a single night's event. His words continue to bless the nations. He has satelite and terrestial stations around the world and  according to Him God is just beginning with Him.

Watch and see what God will do with Him and his ministry in the near future.

When i listen to these men i see Jesus. They do not trust in themselves but Jesus who hath called them.

In case u do not know.Jesus was more controversial than these ones. He  did not agree with the religious folks of His day. They called Him Devil. But He was still strong and God was with Him. That is what i see with TB Josuah and Chris Oyakhilome.

Please do one survey for me... Look around and see if any of those who condemn these men openly in the media have great Power with God as these two. Is Satan more powerful than God? check if they see the same kind of miracles. That should tell u something. They have greived the Holy spirit who hath called them. If they are to be honest with u, they have lost that fresh annointing of the Holy Spirit. Because u see, The Holy spirit is one..If u grieve him by speaking evil against His work, His power cannot stay with u. But if u speak well and support His work, he will annoint u even more. If u say the miracles are fake, then show us the real ones. Those who see miracles in this country and who want to continue to see miracles watch their tongues!

Look around our country...many great men of God who started out with great signs and wonders following them no longer see the power of God in demonstration in their meetings. Why? because of this same thing ....they used their tongues wrongly. Some have now gone into the ministry of condemnation .....condeming the govt, fellow preachers and even members of their congregations. They can no longer bless but curse.

So my friend ....think again, let God teach you. drop your religion and believe God for anything because ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.

If u say the miracles are fake , then perform the genuine ones let us see. That is y u see, the more they challenge the power of God , the more broke of the annointing they become.

Anyway, i will suggest u take a look at this site and see if all thier noise about Banning miracles from being aired is worth the trouble: www.loveworldchristiannetwork.net

Why are the people so concerned about fakes and not about the truth. Jesus said let the wheat and the shaft grow together ...at the end, the lord of the harvest will seperate the wheat from the shaft and burn up the shaft wiith fire. So it is not the responsinility of NBC neither is it the responsibility of any preacher or group of preachers.

in my own opinion, it is either our govt for some obscure political reason is trying to curb the growing influence of such men of god as chris oyakhilome who command so great a followership in order to check 'possible' political power shift( for which these men of God as far as I know them, have no interest) or some fellows (in my own opinion a sect of some so-called penticostals) have fed the presidency with damaging information as regards these great men of God whose growing influence seem to portray them as challenging the status quo.

Anyway, we do not use their own kind of man -made weapons because we trust in the living God who hath said '...i will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it'! They have gathered to fall!

thank u.

can i tell u something mr. seun... the preachers did not take the miracles off air immidiately the nbc placed the bann. in actual fact, the bann had been in effect right from 2002 immidiately after the total experienece crusade that rocked the city of lagos in december that year packing out the national stadium. the tv stations continued to show these programs despite querys and threat calls from the nbc. a particular reference can b made to a statement from one of the bosses of the nbc to the management of AIT as published by the september 2004 edition of the national standard news magazine. it was reminding the management of their failure to honour an earlier intruction sent to them and several other stations instructiong them to discontinue airing of these programs ...while making particular reference to the atmosphere for miracles program of pastor chris.

i am  also aware that there are times that phone calls have been made to these staions even during the airing of the programs commanding the officer in charge to immidiately discontinue the airing of these programs.

These most recent  announcements and futher enforcement  of the bann with request for verification came immidiately after the much talked about  night of bliss program with pastor chris in the city of port harcourt in febuary 2004 drew a record attendancee of 2.5 million attendance ina single night's event.

THIS IS TERRORISM AND THEY MUST BE STOPED!

Point of Correction: NBC and not NCC

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I presently do not know of any preacher  in this country that is as selfless and as sold out for the Gospel of Jesus Christ as Pastor Chris Oyakhilome. Right from his youth, his life has been that of total dedication to the gospel of our Lord Jesus christ ...the one whom he seeks to introduce always with a paasion. Chris Oyakhilome does not have any life of his own but for the gospel. It may suprise u...but the man does not own lands, houses and personal properties as many others do. He lives a very  simple life and as such, the Lord hath so highly annointed Him above his fellows. No wonder The Lord has entrusted so great a followership to him and confirms his message with mighty signs and wonders...because he trusts him. Therefore as many as rise against Him shall surely fall and b destroyed by the lord Himself. Christian or non-christian. Be wise and refrain ur tongue from speaking  evil against the Lord's annointed.

THE UNPARDONNABLE SIN



“It is a show.... an occult practice…black magic… ”…The miracles are stage-managed.”…They are faked…unverifiable…deceiving the people…” Statements such as these can only come from the lips of one who is accursed and headed for destruction. The things of God are not to be used for jesting or spoken of carelessly. Jesus warned in Mathew 12:31-32 that “… the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven…neither in this world nor in the world to come.”



It is important to note that this warning was given by the Jesus in response to the criticism of the Pharisees who attributed a work of healing performed by the Master to devils (Mathew 12:22-24). Unfortunately many of those who criticize miracles today are Christians who claim to know God just as the Pharisees did.



The same warning still applies today for all those who want to make mockery of the acts of God whether Christian or non-Christian. You may say, “ I am not a church person”, well find out what the judgement of God upon an unchurched person could be like in Acts 13:6-11. The bible tells us that the destruction of the transgressor and the sinner shall be together therefore the Holy Spirit stands to resist and fight against anyone who calls his/herself a Christian and yet stands to speak blasphemy against His work ( Isiah 63:8-10). Desist from speaking evil concerning things of the Spirit of God which you do not understand… rather ask God for understanding.



The Lord Jesus is not dead but alive and is still doing what he did in bible days through the hands of those who believe and even greater things for he had said, “He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do…” As you can see, these works have already been spoken of in the Holy scriptures. The world would definitely see more of these mighty works of our Lord Jesus Christ demonstrated through His precious saints who continually reveal God’s Love to our hurting world and no man, demon, angel or authority in heaven, on earth or underneath the earth can stand against this move of God in these last days.



The judgement of God will surely visit the house of any and everyone who calls what He is doing a mere magic trick or advertisement. Whether NBC or no NBC, the same anointing that opens blind eyes, unstops deaf ears and heals the cripple will turn around and become the enemy of such folks, frustrating their lives regardless of how much they pray. The miracles of Jesus have never and can never be (throughout the church age) subject to the verification of man. The testifiers of these miracles themselves are the ones to be sought after if any such verification is to be done. Therefore we will never bring insult to the all-powerful Name of Jesus by subjecting His mighty works to the verification of man before they are published.





Therefore, I consider this recent move by NBC to ban Christian miracle programs an action against Almighty God and not just ‘miracle preachers’. They should therefore be prepared to inherit the diseases, sicknesses, pains, sufferings and poverty of millions who have put their hopes on God-inspired and anointed TV programs such as ‘Atmosphere for Miracles’ by Pastor Chris which bring the presence and salvation of God to them in their homes.



Be wise and GET OUT OF THE WRATH!

I presently do not know of any preacher in this country that is as selfless and as sold out for the Gospel of Jesus Christ as Pastor Chris Oyakhilome. Right from his youth, his life has been that of total dedication to the gospel of our Lord Jesus christ ...the one whom he seeks to introduce always with a paasion. Chris Oyakhilome does not have any life of his own but for the gospel. It may suprise u...but the man does not own lands, houses and personal properties as many others do. He lives a very simple and disciplined lifestyle. He does not even have a house of his own as he lives in a rented apartment when in Lagos. No wonder God can entrust him with so large a followership and so mighty an annointing. One last word of advise guys.... WATCH UR UTTERANCES CONCERNING MEN OF GOD... THEY COULD RUIN UR WHOLE LIFE ...AS IS ALREADY THE CASE WITH MANY. God bless u.

It is a terrible deceptive scheme of Satan that's slowly finding it's way into our nation and which I think if not taken care of will soon evade and eventually sweep away the tenets of this Glorious gospel of our Lord Jesus which have been handed down to us by the Holy Spirit and which we hold so dearly as individuals and as a nation.

We should not let the same evil which evaded the church in Rome where the state ran the church (during the dark ages) and also which is causing the moral decadence in USA and Europe where (as in the US) it is now a crime to make school children say prayers in public.

"Ah is that possible in Nigeria?" u may exclaim....Well who would have thought that in our Nation today where we claim to operate a democry, the government can decide to clamp down on Television Programs/stations which show-case miracles saying that they are "Unverifiable & Unbelievable". Also on their list of offensive programs are those that show large crowds and people falling under the Power of the Holy Spirit.

"Ah that has to so with Pastor Chris and Christ Embassy" u may again exclaim. Certain christians in Nigeria...even so called penticostals cheered the Government on as they continued whith their antichrist-inspired campaign.

Like Paul will say "Who has bewitched u" that u should not believe in the Power of This Glorious Gospel of our Lord enough to Contend for it!


These same set of christians were in shock at the discussions on talk-shows not too long ago held by govt officials and agencies advocating for the institution of 'CHURCH TAX'....On the grounds that the churches make a lot of money and therfore should be taxed. Now how does that sound?

U must understand that when you see the devil showing up and you do not bind him but allow him to take a step...he will on his own take three. This is not about one church or group of churches...it is about our faith. The bible says we should earnestly contend for the fatih which was hande down to us . Do not take this Liberty which we have in our nation for granted. You wouldn't know its value until you loose it.

Where is the Freedom of Expression & Worship which we claim to have through our constitution? This is an infringement on our rights, not only as Nigerians, but as Christians. THIS IS TERRORISM!

Its about time we as christians RISE UP and PRAY, CONTEND, FIGHT and SPEAK OUT for the faith of this glorious gospel of our Lord and resist any attempt by the Devil...whether in the form of a Law or decree of government or by manipulations from religious groups of any sort to steal this Liberty that we have in Christ Jesus.

The devil has not changed ....he raised persecution against Jesus, Paul, Peter, John and the rest of the Apostles for the same reasons. He is still doing the same things today...we shoudn't let him have his way in our nation...let us save this nation and preserve this gospel for our children.

Who knows... today it is miracles and church tax...tommorow it could be that government would recommend what kind of bibles to read and preach from.

WAKE UP AND ACT NOW!

Pastor Chris Oyakhilome's messages on the divine life and the Holy spririt has brought the gospel alive in the hearts of millions who could have been languishing in ignorance of the reality of Jesus and of the power and presence of the mighty spirit of God. That is why as many as rise against him will always fall for the sake of Christ who hath called and empowered him.

I will choose Pastor Chris Oyakhilome any day any time. He is undeniably a gift frm God to the church and to our Nation Nigeria... My prayer for all those who at one time or the other have spoken negatively about this Man of God is that God forgives them because they do not know that the one they Insult and blaspheme against is the eternal Spirit of God who had called and annointed him and given him undeniable proofs in the mighty signs and wonders performed by God through him. Keep up the good work taking God's divine presence to the world and giving our lives mening pastor!