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He has given to those that believe Eternal life here on earth and after we leave this world. Those who believe recieve that life. We are not mere mortals.

And by the way...i do not have time to spend arguing with those who are hell bent on rejecting the salvation of God and causing others to do the same thereby leaving themselves and their hearers under the condemnation of sin.

Thank you.

Can someone please give me the complete wordings of this hymn.

'My faith has found a resting place...'

'...i need no other arguement, i need no other plea...'

I'll be sooooo grateful

Owo,

May God bless you. It was God's plan to bring the gospel to us through the Europeans bc He knew  they will need us at this moment in time when they feel they have no more use for God. Like you said , their churches were turned to shopping malls and casinos. But thanks be to God for the Africans , particularly Nigerians who are re-evangelising that continent once again.

They are buying back those buildings and whereas some years ago, the biggest churches in Europe had only about 1000 members, the story is beggining to change as God is doing a new thing through the missionaries He is sending to remind them of the God they once knew.

We gulped the gospel they brought to us and we are better off for it! ...thank you.

"...The kingdom of God suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force"

"Go ye therefore and make disciples of all nations..."

...that is what it means to claim or take the world for Jesus. Preach the Word, Demonstrate His power, show forth His glory and win the world.

He is one of the many manifestations of the Holy Spirit in the Holy scritures. The Bible told us in Heb 7 that He remains a priest for ever. And also tells us that Jesus was raised a priest forever after the order of melchiadech.

That means that while we have the Holy Spirit indwelling us as our intercessor and strengthner forever, Jesus remains our intercessor in the presence of the father forever, inteceeding for us.

True talk Joshjosh,

The truth still stands, those who claim to be preachers and do not have the necessary credentails: signs wonders and mighty miracles, ARE NOT CALLED. THEY WENT! ...with all due respect pls.

Because God always backs up the claims of those he sends with signs, wonders and miracles.

Now i know some religious folks are ready to come up with their usual excuse: "the bible says that in the last days false prophets shall arise...."

We know that already, you do not need to remind us. [b]The truth still remains that if you do not have the necessary credentials, you are not called![/b]And by this, i do not mean unnecessary noise making, shouting or conductiing of deliverance services where people are beaten up in the name of casting out devils with no results.I mean genuine miracles. 

2 Corinthians 12:12 - Truly the signs of an apostle(a sent one) were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds. 

1 Corinthians 2:4

" and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power"

1 Corinthians 4:20 -" For the kingdom of God does not consist in talk but in power. " 

Rom 1:4
"And declared to be the Son of God with power..."

He was declared to be God's son with power...not with great Words!

So stop hiding behind the obvious fact that there are false prophets around. 

Joftech,

By your statement:


"The way most of these pastors talk/preach  tithe clearly shows the money is their main source of livelihood. If i am the  president i will outlaw the payment of tithes and some unnecessary levies in churches and i will see if we will still have as many churches as we have now".

... that is why you will never sit in that office of President. Kings and Pharoahs of old, who were more profane than you could ever be, who had tried to oppose God's laws had always failed ...And not without disgrace.

"...The law of the lord standeth sure!..."

That is based on your own interpretaion and not mine...

For a mature man, who calls himself an etheist and yet submits to water baptism, he is actually not an etheist because he has actually submitted himself to be baptised.

By the way, a true atheist who knows what he really stands for will refuse baptism no matter what.

Because before you are baptised as a mature person, you are made to make a public declaration of your fath in Jesus.

So he is actually decieving himself if he still says he is not a christian after babtism.

Anyone who isn't righteous b4 God but yet goes ahead to be baptised only took a bath. He is not saved.

Years ago, during the persecution of the early church, if you said you were not a christain, they asked if you were bptised, if your answer was 'yes', you were killed. Because as far as they were conceerned, you had identified with the death burial and resurrection of jesus.

When you reach the age of accountability like the etheist husband, you are responsible for your actions and so cannot claim your wife's fatih at the judgement.

But a child born to believing parents is holy and righteous as his parents are ... but when he gets to the age of accountability he has to be made to declare for himself the Lordship of Jesus.

Rom 10:8-11

" But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed."

Therefore you are not in covenant with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or Jesus. Do not be decieved.

Jesu died to make the Jews and the gentiles one so that they can both enjoy the blessing of Abraham through christ.

I know you have not studied this scripture before:

Gal 3:7-16

Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham...   for, The just shall live by faith... 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ

Layi,

I see from your arguement that you generally do not see much importance in water baptism. Well before i treat that, let me first reply some of your questions/comments

Like I said in earlier posts, it carries no potency. Its just an outward declaration of your faith. No one would go to hell for not beign baptized.

Your statement that no one will go to hell for not being baptised is like saying "no one will go to hell for not recieving communion or for not  recieving the Holy Ghost. Because these are commandments of Jesus and they have to be obeyed.

I wonder what faith the infant is declaring, by the way...


I ask again...what faith is the baby declaring. Declaring your baby's faith is not within your jurisprudence.

You most probably believe in Child dedications. What faith did the child declare? Did he say he wanted to be dedicated to the service of God?

For the child that is sick and in need of healing from God, who does the believing for healing ...who does the praying?


Babies - weather born to believers or not ARE alive to God.

Did you see this?:

1 Corinthians 7:14 - "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy."

The seed (children) of the fallen angels that were driven out of heaven, who slept with women that bore children for them were evil giants... So evil that they had to be destroyed by the flood of Noah's day.

Genesis 6:4 - There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God(fallen angels) came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 

Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the LORD which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god. 12 The LORD will cut off the man that doeth this, the master and the scholar, out of the tabernacles of Jacob, and him that offereth an offering unto the LORD of hosts. 13 And this have ye done again, covering the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping, and with crying out, insomuch that he regardeth not the offering any more, or receiveth it with good will at your hand. 14 Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant. 15 And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed...

GOD WAS SEEKING A GODLY SEED!

From the same verse you quoted donnie,

[i]Romans 7:9 - For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Paul was alive unto GOD once? Who were his parents then? Were they believers?

Paul was brought up under strict adherance to the  law of Moses. He was Jew, a child of Abraham, and theerfore a child of God.

Phil 3:4-6

"Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: 5[b] Circumcised the eighth day[/b], of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless."

Even though his strict upbringing in the Law of Moses does not convince you that his parents were believers in Jehovah, the fact that he was circumcised the eight day should convince you.

Why do you think those devilish initiations carry more weight than water baptism? Is it because we do not do much chanting and shaking in Baptism? Baptism is a very serious ritual.

The bible tells us in 1cor:10:1,2:

"Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea"

This is significant of the new testament baptism of the Holy Spirit -regeneration/Born-again experience (the cloud covering the Isrealites signified the Holy Spirit) and baptism with water (the sea signified water baptism).

Now, when they were baptised in the cloud, the Egyptians(which are a type of the world) still followed them. But when they were baptised in the sea, that was the end of the Egyptians that pursued them.

When one is baptised, it causes such an undescribable release of His Spirit. The devil can no longer lay claims on anything because he has openly denounced any ties with the kingdom and works of darkness.

Mat 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

You must be baptised!

My prayer is that God will give these candidates, the courage and determination to study and shun all forms of destractions and temptations to cheat, even as He blesses their efforts, giving them sound memories and excellent grades at last in jesus' Name AMEN!

We, non jews only partake in the Abrahamic covenant through the seed of Abraham who is Christ.

Allonym,

You are now denying any ties with Isreal, but you want to share in the covenant of promise that God made with their father Abraham -through Christ.

Training up a child is not just in talk, but in Word and deed. We lead by example. That is a personal problem of such pastors. They are not doers of the Word.

It is not religion but practical christianity. If the pastor was not just a religious fellow but a doer of the Word, the child will necessarily follow in his steps.

Nope, In this case, you have the ability to choose. You should choose right. That choice will either qualify you for baptism or not.

Her believing may cover you in this world from some mishaps. It may shield you from some trouble in this world. It brings the presence of God into your union. But it cannot give you etrnal life since that is a personal thing. Those who get baptised, have eternal life in them.

As for the child, since he cannot choose at his age, the choice is made for him. Later on in life, he will have to accept the truth about his baptism.

The main point in 1cor 7:14 is the approval of God concerning the union of a woman who gets saved while being married to an unbelieving husband. It tells her that she can still continue with the marriage as her belief sanctifies the union and sanctifies their children who are the fruit of that union.

Oracle, Loveth, & Vexy,

Did you say we should give the child a chance to decide first?

Luke 16:8 - "... for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light."

For those of you who live in Africa...have you ever heard of an occult man who asked his baby boy if he wanted to join the cult or not? Many times, children are initiated even before they start talking. The child does not have a choice in such cases.

But when it comes to the worship of the living God, you say we should allow the child decide for himself. The bible dosnt teach that!!

The believing parent can choose for the child:

1 Corinthians 7:14 - "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy."

Proverbs 22:6 - "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it".

It did not say, train him up in the way he wants to go . Or in the way you want Him to go. But you train Him up in the way he should go. In the way of the Lord!

This is the reason we have many great preachers who have wayward children. They allowed them choose what to do with their lives for themselves. They did not train the child up in the way he should go because if they did, he will not depart from it, he will not be wayward.

The child should be taught what to believe, what to do, who to worship, and how to worship. He shouldn't be allowed to choose nothing, especially when he is still an infant.

This is the bible way. Baptize the child, then when he can understand, tell him the significance of that baptism. Tell him, "son, you are not for the devil, but for God".

Queen,

I'll quote you:

Nowhere does the Bible teach that infants should be baptized nor are there any Biblical examples of such.

NO where does the bible teach against infact baptism. At least, you havent yet shown me.

In fact baptizing such infants is contrary to the spirit of what is written.

That is a strong statement o! Contrary to the Spirit? Did you hear that from Him?

For example it is written in 1Peter 3:21 that baptism involves a pledge of a good conscience toward God. But babies make no such pledgee.

Yeah... but their parents can make the pledge for them:

1 Corinthians 7:14 - For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

Layi,

Your quote:
Infant baptism is more like a ritual/rites. It carries no significant potency. Every human have got to choose christ. 

I do not agree that infant baptism carries no significant potency. If i may ask, will taking my baby to a babalawo for tribal marks and cuts or for dedicatin to the gods carry significant potency?

Do the parents wait for the child's acceptnce of or belief in those devils before initiating him? why did they not wait for him to exercise his right to choose?

The child is qualified to be baptised because he is sanctified by his parents fatih.

1 Corinthians 7:14 - "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy."   


There is no disparity or impartiality with GOd.

I agree


If children of believers are saved, what about children of unbelievers?

Like their parents, they are unsaved!

Is GOD partial.

NO!

Baptizing an infant don't make him/her a christian.

I know that... just like baptising an adult don't make him/her a christian.

Aside mere formality...i see it as nothing else.

Do you call baptism mere formality?

It is a sacrament ( an outward demonstration of a spiritual truth). It is a commandment of Jesus.

Romans 6:4 - "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

Dont worry Layi,

They'll be taken care of

I think the culture has its root it the popular practice of gender inequality in most cultures. In this case, the woman or woman child is being denied the right to sexual satisfaction as this practice is believed to reduce her level of sexual activeness if not quench it.

No wonder the practice has found a comfortable home in Africa where women are mostly regarded by tradition as meer objects or commidities to be bought and sold for sex and child production.

I consider this practice babbaric, and it must be stopped not just because it does not have its roots in Christianity or any modern religion but because of the danger posed to those who are mutiliated.

The danger of contacting HIV as many of the condition under which these practitioners carry out their practice are very unhygenic and the risk of total destruction of the woman's reproductive organ.

This is another one of those topics i think we shouldn't have any problem with. In the  old testament this could have been a big issue. But  deffinitely not today.

Unfortunately, there has  been so much contention about what day should be set aside by Christians as Holy. While some say it is saturday, others say it is Sunday. Some even say it is thursday.  As a result, many denonminations have splitted.

Again, i do not have a  problem with this.  I think you are to worship God every day of your life. Every day of your life should be lived for God. The problem i think is in the lack of understanding of the purpose of the old testament sabbath day or the pu rpose of the Old testament as a whole.

The  bible tells us that  the old testament is a shadow of the new:

Col 2:16,17-

" Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ".

I believe the Sabbath was actually a shadow of the 'rest' God had prepared for His people by christ Jesus.

In Matthew 11:28  Jesus said:

"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."   

Heb 4:1-3:

"Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.  For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.  For we which have believed do enter into rest..."

So the rest which the Sabbath signified was  the rest  which  we have in christ. This is the true rest.  This one is  24hrs a day, 7 days a week. For me every day i wake up is  sabbath... Today!         

Heb 4:7

"Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts."

He limited a certain day...TODAY!  This is  my sabbath day!

I have this to say to those who will choose to make this an issue of  contention:

Gal 4:9-11

" But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?  Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.  I am afraid of you!..."

I am waiting for  you...

Well...I think i sound like a christian who studies the word.

2 Timothy 2:15 - "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth".

hmm....

The qualification for baptism is to be at peace with God through the gospel ...and babies born to believing parents are at peace with God since they are sanctified by thier parents.

...so they should be baptised.

Of course i am ... but i dont think G. Peter is yet.

Thanx vexxy for attesting to my contribution

...and thnx G.Peter for yours as well n pls.... keep an open mind in this matter

Baptism does not just wash away sins, it is actually an outward demonstration and public declaration of your fatih in christ.

You are actually declaring to yourself, the world, and the devil that not only are you a believer in Christ, you have actually identified with him in his death, burial and resurrection.

You have to have accepted Jesus in to your heart as Lord and saviour of Your life to qualify for baptism. Baptism marks your final seperation from the world.

Sir K

Ask the ladies they will tell you, you can immerse a baby in water for a second or two if you ensure that his nostrils are closed. Afterall, the babies do not breathe every second when they have their bath... otherwise they could choke.

As for repentance and affirmation of fatih in Christ; if he has believing parents, he is sanctified by their belief. That is what the scriptures teach.

Romans 7:9 - For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.  

Paul is saying here that there was a time in his life (before the age of accountability) when he was alive unto God. But then, when he became accountable by the commandment (concious of the difference between good and evil) sin revived, and he died (spiritual death-seperation from God).

Children born to believing parents, before the age of accountability , are alive unto God. When they get to the age of accountability, they can then be instructed in the way they should go. They shouldn't be allowed to choose nothing...we should tell them what to choose!!! The world is too wicked for that.

Proverbs 22:6 - Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.  

We should not give the devil a chance over the lives of our kids. They should be baptised and when they get to the age of accountabilty, they should be instructed in their fatih as in the significance of that baptism. These days, kids are being initiated into the occult at tender age without even knowing it. We have had reports from even nursery Schools.

I think we should be wise in this regard.

Do you think the apostles were wrong?

As christians, we should live according to the new testament. The scriptures tell us that the old testament is written for our learning. The old testament is a shadow of a better covenant (the new covenant)...founded upon better promises.

I sure do. That is, if it is actually water baptism (complete immersion in water).

Whole households were baptized in the book of Acts and we were not told that children were left out.

Let me know what you believe and the reason for your belief.