AHCB:
aye.

But I still wonder why he didn't burn Jon though.

Jon should have died on that spot. No matter how close Jon came to Drogon and Rhaegal at some point, he is but a stranger to them even though he is a Targaryen.

That part of the show switched me off completely.

Swtcherries:
I swear with the god of light and the many faced god, dany's death was so easy.

For those saying Drogon should have killed Jon, first of all, drogon is an animal and he doesn't have sense, all his life he has always been directed by his mum(dany), he wasn't there when Jon killed dany and I know drogon thinks Jon loves Dany, he has seen them kiss and cuddle, so dont expect him to think Jon was the one that killed dany, when he reached there, Jon was crying so he automatically assumed that the iron throne knives killed dany.

'Drogon is an animal and he doesn't have sense' but was able to realize the throne is the cause of the hazzle and ended up torching it? Most humans wouldn't have reacted better than Drogon did. Maybe you should use another line.

AryaSand:


Are you my Husband?

It's a terrible ending! D& promised it would be a bitter sweet ending but it turns out to be a confusing one. I'll personally highlight my ideas and points...

1. Dany became the villain and as much as I love her, the cliche of the villain dying had to be respected.
2. Drogon and Jon had no bond whatsoever but how it saw a dagger in Dany's stomach but chose to torch the throne instead beats my imagination. Perhaps it knew all along that Jon is a Targaryen.
3. It was foolish to have allowed Dany alone with Jon. The idea was too predictable. After Tyrion resigned as Hand and knowing Jon is a Targaryen, it was only natural that Jon was kept under heavy watch and not allowed to personally spend time alone with Dany except she states otherwise.
4. Having captured Jon, the Unsullied, in the real sense should have killed him but they stalled for no reason and waited for Lords of Westeros to arrive before Greyworm started huffing and puffing. Lazy writing.
5. Turns out Bran could see the future but he pretended to be an 'archiver' of memories and the past. His words gave him away and almost seemed he influenced the whole Dany madness then made Jon kill her to dim the chances of the latter becoming King.
6. I love the fact that the wheel of rulership is broken. The transition from Dany to Bran with both not capable of birthing is thoughtful and amazing.
7. Samwell Tarly unconsciously introduced democracy but it was laughed at and rebuffed by all.
8. It doesn't make sense that House Stark had more than a representative. The only person fit enough to be at the seat of the Westeros Lord was Sansa. Arya and Bran had no business there save Bran was trying to sell them his sagey Eyes of Horus nonsense but then, he made it known his presence was premeditated. I see him as a villain at this point than anything.
9. The new council seat is a joke. The make up doused the power and the influence of the king greatly.
10. It doesn't make sense that the North seceded and Bran agreed while the other Lords looked on like fools. Worse still is the fact that the king is from the new sovereign state. The North produced the king then backs out as one of the seven kingdoms. Where is that done?
11. The North has Sansa to thank for pushing the secession agenda but it was obvious she was only after power as much as any other power hungry bloke or mare.


Extras
1. Dany was translated to the Biblical Moses; see the Promised Land but never got there... Dany felt the throne but never had the chance to sit on it. Funny!
2. It is strange how Tyrion, as a prisoner dictated to the Lords of Westeros on who should be king and ended up proclaiming Bran before the Lords agreed.
3. With Ser Bronn on the council seat, it was obvious Tyrion would be a shitty hand all over a again. A chance at a clean start and all he did was influence the king to make Bronn Lord of High Garden.
4. Bran would at best been made Master of Whisperers under Dany. That they unanimously agreed to make him king is laughable. All Dany needed was good advisors and she would have been perfect.
5. I still see no reason why Drogon couldn't have torched Jon.

For me... I'd say I prefer the season finale of Into the Badlands to this nonsense!

ChristoBam:

Who the heck is this?? Was Dany poisoned by vary's before he was killed? When I menioned that before, it was me hoping that it was what caused Dany's madness.

Thought as much. Kòtò ayé fans on the beat.

You were saying Cercie planted those wildfires as a fact, which didn't happen at all. There was no mention of it explicitly or in any way.

I'm not one to argue as argument drains me but I'd very appreciate where I claimed Cersei planted those wildfires AS A FACT.

Seun:

Drogon's flames caused a fiery explosion of the city's stone wars. Obviously, they were hot enough ignite wildfire buried underground.


If Cersei's plan had anything to do with wildfire, she would have discussed it with her hand. They discussed the scorpions and the human shield. Cersei didn't expect to lose Kings Landing to Dany. She thought that provoking Daenerys would cause her to attack in a reckless manner thus exposing her dragon to the numerous scorpions that she installed everywhere. Once the dragon fell, Dany would die, and Cersei would've won.

Well, true. With the way the show is being run, it is only proper to conclude some things based on what is seen.

Bulk of the wild fires started and towers above the buildings and not from the ground. It is why I take my cue from the idea that they must have been planted in those buildings.

ChristoBam:

I read it on some sites yesterday that it was planted by the mad king.. There was no mention of Cercei planting anything. Stop trying to create what was not there..

'You read on some sites...' It wasn't mentioned explicitly that Varys poisoned Dany severally before he was killed. That it wasn't never meant it didn't. If you can't think for yourself, you should as well scoot and face front. Peace.

So I discovered one strange thing yesterday, contrary to the belief of many about Arya and one said 'Green eyes' during the conversation of Arya and the Red Woman during in the third episode.

I'd try to recreate the conversation but those who can should revisit that particular scene:

Arya: You said we would meet again
Red Woman: I did...
Arya: You were right... You also said I'd shut many eyes forever...
Red Woman: Yes, brown eyes (Arya looks on), green eyes (Arya nods in agreement) and blue eyes (Arya's eyes brightened like she had got an idea)...

My point is the the 'Green eyes'. I'd like to believe it had happened, probably one of the person Arya killed and she seemed to approve by nodding her head but never did the same for the blue eyes. Fan theories suggest Dany or Drogon would be killed, I say fans are overthinking. I very much doubt Arya would be fitted into the cliché of being a back-to-back protagonist/heroine many believe she'd be. Dany might just go ahead and rule or forfeit the Throne voluntarily. But that she'd die or be killed? Neeeh!

Seun:
The wildfire came from the Daenerys’ Dad, the Mad King, who wanted to burn down King’s landing after he lost the war with Robert, so that Robert would have nothing to rule over. His pyromancer had hidden wildfire all over the city, and was going to set it off when Jaime killed him and the mad king. Most of the hidden caches of wildfire were never found by Tyrion, Cersei and others who wanted to use it.

I beg to disagree. It is common wisdom. If those wildfires were buried underground, they wouldn't have leaked out the way they did. Magma, Napalm or whatever it was Drogon was spitting isn't that powerful to burrow underground and cause a spark. I take my cue from reanimated Viserion who couldn't get past a stone to roast Jon. While we saw the strength of the Dragon in a new dimension in the recent episode, we very much know they don't have the strength to dig out the Wildfires from underground the city. The wildfire is highly flammable but that in itself isn't enough.

I saw the episode again yesterday and it was obvious the wildfires were stored in the buildings that was destroyed. If this was the case, then it makes no sense that residential buildings were locked up and used for wildfire havens during the Mad King's reign and remained that way decades later. There is no sense in it. It would have been discovered by anyone and alarm would have been raised.

I strongly believe Cersei planted them as traps around the city while the unfortunate people of the city were her last line of defense. Scorpions - Wildfires - Human shields. It is a well thought out strategy that never materialized all thanks to Dany's rage. Saying they were planted by the Mad King a long time ago only to burst into flames within buildings as depicted in the episode is unsellable.

Five days later and the arguments are yet to die. Crazy.

I read some persons saying Dany doesn't have a claim to the Iron Throne. Need we remind ourselves that royalty is born and not made and Dany comes from a bloodline of royalty which makes her entitled to the Iron Throne.

Here's what I don't envision happening:

1. Dany won't be killed. It would be so cliché to see the 'villain' die or get killed by a foil character or some protagonist which in this case is likely to be Jon Snow or Arya.

2. Beyond the cliché of having the villain killed, an episode won't be enough to kill a character as Dany, not when there would be a need to focus on the aftermath of the war in King's Landing.

3. Dany's power won't whittle down in any way. According to the episode 6 trailer trending, Dany can be seen walking down an aisle with many soldiers on both sides. I can conclude it signifies her coronation but then, trailers in GOT sometimes don't align or tell anything about the next episode.

4. The show doesn't seem to have a 'happy ending'. A happy ending here would be to see Dany 'pay for her sins' by dying. It has been said or assumed that the show doesn't have a happy ending. Many would probably be disappointed that she won't be killed and would further exhibit disgust at the idea of her sitting on the Iron Throne. While the theory cannot be concocted at this point, the anticipated orgasmic feeling many fans are looking forward to won't happen.

Either way, sentiments won't rewrite the script at this point.

mandysmum:
Nope. The distrust started way before this incident. In the scene where Dany,Jon, Tyrion and others were planning the battle strategies at Winterfell, just before leaving for Kings landing, Greyworm acted really weird. Tyrion had just said Jon and Ser Davis will go by road,with the remaining northmen, Dothraki and Unsullied. As he was speaking,Jon gathered the corresponding stones to him on the battle map. Greyworm walked to Jon and removed the stone for the Unsullied and placed it back with his Queen. Jon looked at him oddly at that moment. That was the moment I noticed a hidden beef from Greyworm.

Jon hadn't even told his sisters at this point, so Tyrion had no clue of Jon's true parentage. Missandei was also alive. So what was Greyworm's problem then?

I noticed that scene but I believe Greyworm saw it as more of a cold power tussle between himself and Jon or felt the need to not stray from the queen. The Unsullied have always been close to her ever since she freed them. I could have cooked up my theory from there but I believe it would be unfair to Greyworm.

They got to King's Landing together and even tried 'outleading' each other. Greyworm forcefully led the army by staying at the fore while Jon tried catching up (on his right) with him and Ser Davos (on his left) followed both closely, even when they broke through their own men to face the Lannister soldiers.

The battle against the defenseless Lannister soldiers passed some subtle messages particularly about Greyworm and Jon. I wouldn't be surprised if Greyworm reveals to Dany that Jon is working against her. Sadly, it's just one episode left and I very much doubt they'd leave room for such little detail.

richie10k:
When Grey Worm speared that soldier after d bell rang,did anyone notice how he turned and was looking at Jon Snow,when he (Jon) appeared not be participatingbin the massacre?
I almost thought he was gonna spearJon too

There is distrust between Greyworm and Jon already. I'd like to believe it started with the secret Sansa spilled to Tyrion and Tyrion to Varys. Greyworm probably knows the secret already and sees Jon as a potential usurper. He stood against Jon when Jon came to see Dany by the fireplace until Dany told him it was fine that she'd love to speak with him.

During the battle at King's Landing, Greyworm looked at Jon with intent and anger when Jon asked his soldiers to back down. Jon almost pulled through with the order until of the Lannister soldiers attacked him and he fought back.

Greyworm's action is no different from Dany's. The Lannister soldiers had surrendered and dropped their weapons. Killing an enemy that has surrendered is similar to killing a defenseless civilian. Greyworm knew this but he didn't care. He was rage and just wanted to kill as many people as he can to console himself. The Unsullied shared his and their queen's sentiments and did just that.

The tears on this thread is almost spilling out of one's screen

Besides, what's with the Arya vs Dany vs Cersei vs Sansa comparison?

They all have their strengths and weaknesses. To be fair Dany commands greater fear and respect than all other female characters all thanks to her Dragons. That doesn't however imply she is some weak ass woman. She has seen so much battles than all of them combined and has shown that she is always battle ready.

In episode three or so, she became so vulnerable after Drogon was overwhelmed by wights but still stood her ground to fight even though Jorah was with her. In all of her battles/fights, I have never seen fear in her eyes for once. Call it the Dragon factor but that is what it is.

I have seen fear on Arya's face during battles in several occasions. And while it might not mean much as she ends up getting the job done on her part, she does not really have that resolve to die fighting. Stealth is her strength, take this away and she is just one regular girl. Her swords play is pretty good and this we saw when she sparred against Brienne but to be fair, we all know Brienne was soft on her, particularly after seeing what she did to The Hound.

Sansa... Let's just say Sansa is useless. No skill, no strength, no sense, just envy and sheer, unjustified hatred. Plus the fact that she can't keep a secret after swearing on her life tells a lot about her psychological/mental state.

Cersei... The best schemer of all the females in the show, after Olenna. Her only weakness is her excessive love for her offsprings, which propels her to do things which aren't really convenient. Regardless, despite not having any battle skill or strength, she very much covers for this via her schemes.

Whether she raved like a lunatic in the last episode isn't enough. I feel D& painted Dany that way to reveal that she can't force everyone to love her and where she lags in that area, fear must come to play therein. I personally feel her character development has been fascinating.

I once heard that an exam marker once failed two candidates on purpose because they shared the same first name (Kayode) with her fiance who jilted her for another woman. . If there were more persons with the name Kayode, she would have failed them all on purpose. Such is the mind of a messed up person.

Crucify Dany all you want. I feel D& had focused on her character enough to make us know where she is coming from. Amidst her calm demeanor, she has always been very fierce when she gets angry and her Hand haven't really done well in managing her.

Dany is Dany and she won't change the way D& have designed her to be whether we rant from now till tomorrow. I am still hoping she gets to Dracarys Sansa's being. It would be back to back of orgasmic episodes

solomonbrown64:


....I don't remember quoting you. The person who mentioned me posted that the ratings were lies and I gave him proof. He also posted about people's expectations not going the way they wanted, hence the low ratings and fans whining which was why I replied that he doesn't know more than the people who down voted the episode.

....I lifted contents and I acknowledged the source. So?

....My main aim was to tell him about the truth of the ratings which he called lies. You already acknowledged that the ratings are quite low. E.O.D .....the epistle wasn't necessary.

....I am not glued or whatever you call it. I[b] only watch the show because of Aegon, nothing else.[/b] When the guy called people whining fans, you didn't see that, yet you called me out for what's not even an insult. Baba, make I no vex for you oh.

The emboldened sums up everything.

solomonbrown64:


According to review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes, 'The Bells' is the lowest-rated episode in the show's history to date, with a 50% score at time of writing.

The site's own summary of the critics' consensus states that "too much plot in too little time muddles the story and may leave some viewers – and maybe Cersei – feeling its conclusions are a little unearned".

....Twitter is currently more ablaze than King's Landing, with many people also claiming that the showrunners David Benioff and DB Weiss have 'ruined' the characters of Daenerys Targaryen and Jaime Lannister with last night's plot developments.

The final season has been a hugely divisive one so far, with people criticising the writing and plot now that it has moved away from George RR Martin's books, and the rushed pacing.
The jury's still out on how this one's going to end – and end it will in just a few days' time...

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a27450770/game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-5-reviews-worst-show-history/

..... Baba if you don't know something, you find out.

... Seriously?? This is beyond expectations yada yada, it's just that common sense isn't even in the works anymore especially this season. I don't think you know more than the people who thumbed down the episode.

You lifted contents from A BLOG on a report concerning the recent episode. Quite true, it is horribly critiqued at the moment on Rotten Tomatoes, largely because of Dany's actions. Most feel she shouldn't have killed innocent children and women and all but then it happened anyways.

Just so you know, one major reason 'The Bells' has the worst rating ever in the history of the show is not because of the plot. It is so linear that there are no twists whatsoever in the plot. So I'm wondering where the 'too much plot' is coming from.

To round off, if you want to point out something, do so without forcing your viewings or passing insults. The emboldened is pure fallacy. Critics on Rotten Tomatoes are regular people just like you who applied to be one on RT. The negative reaction of this very episode stems from emotion than anything. Last week, I was angrier than you can ever be today because Viserion and Missandei were killed. Some shared the same sentiment while some felt nothing went wrong. Generating mixed feelings as this is needed. It tilts every week and no matter how buck nakked you might be, you'd still be here next week rushing to either say a thing about the season finale or look for an early leaked link. Either way, you are glued. So, relax!

JhyMedex:
Som1 shld pls help me clarify d scene whr Tyrion was asking Jaime to escape..

Jaime was adamant abt passing thru d iron fleet like dey were gon attack him n Cersie...My question is ..

Is the iron fleet not led by Euron who is loyal to Cersie ?..So y d fear of attack?.

It was from a psychological viewpoint. Do you know what it means to fight for someone who is trying to flee? Had Drogon not destroyed Euron's fleet and they saw Cersei fleeing, they would have all abandoned King's Landing which translates to losing.

A leader is supposed to stand his or her ground during a war. It is in her subject's place to decide whether or not she or he should be evacuated, just like Qyburn eventually suggested.

Jamie is a soldier. He understood the concept of psychological warfare far than Tyrion.

Yonce:



I hear you but I still disagree.
It was out of character.

After those bells rang and she still burnt those innocents, I had to pause to understand what fuckery was going on.

She went from fighting the dead to save the living to singlehandedly burning the same people she tried to save in 2 episodes.
She went from zero to genocidal tyranny too fast.

Not forcing my opinion or Dany's actions on you but rage and anger are always out of character. When it sits on someone, tendencies are that one would do things that are out of character, caution or not. There is a reason they call them temporary madness. It's like being drunk and losing one's self completely.

I can't deny it, this episode is highly orgasmic and I very much love the fact that Dany did what she did.

Yonce:



Dany burning the city is completely out of character for her.
This is a girl we watched grow up and free slaves.
The earliest significant memory I have of Dany was when she abolished raping captured women while Khal Drogo was still alive. . . .she saved that witch woman from being raped, an act that eventually cost her her womb, her child and her husband.
She killed the woman responsible.
She didn't kill the woman's people who were innocent.

Dany calls herself the breaker of chains, she's fred slaves in every town she touched down in Slaver's bay. Even renamed the city.
She stopped killing of innocent children.
She's Mysa. . . Aka mother.

She repeatedly asked the Tarlys to surrender before killing them.

The Lannisters willingly surrendered. The bell was rung.
What could she have possibly acheived by still burning down the city? ? ?
He beef is with Cersei not the people of Kings Landing

It was extremely out of character for her to do so especially when she has never showed a single trait of madness so far.
Never wonder why they kept going over how when a Targaryan is born the gods flip a coin. . .the lazy writers inserted that dialogue there to justify her going mad out of the blue.

This isn't out of character. One thing that must be taken into account in this very episode is GRIEF! She was hurting on almost every side. Her army was depleted, the Starks had issues with sending their men, she lost Viserion, lost Missandei in a gruesome manner even when she had no intention of warring. All she wanted was to take the throne.

This is a poor lady who isn't experiencing just loses to death but love. Jon is slipping and there is the Sansa snake to contend with. We all have our breaking points as humans. Some of us would have done worse with just a loss.

Her action was irrational, no doubt. But taken into account how she battled with herself even after the bell tolled... She struggled, wept and got to her breaking point. I'd raze the city to the ground if I were in her shoes.

I love Arya a whole lot but the way the show runners project her makes her look overrated. One minute, you left Winterfell with the purpose of killing Cersei, only to rescind on the decision with eyes like that of an adorable puppy.

The amount of fear she shows at the brink of death is overwhelming and shocking for a top notch assassin who fairly knows death. And to think that she had some flash-like powers to kill the NK is interesting amidst all the fears she exhibits.

Dany is everything!

I predicted this was going to happen and knew King's Landing wouldn't be spared.

Several factors fuelled her rage and she would have found comfort or calmed her freyed nerves had Jon been able to love her back. Sadly, she took solace in her rage and turned everything around.

So many highpoints in the new episode!

1. Varys' Death
2. The less-than-five minutes destruction of Euron's fleet and the quick destruction of the ballistas strategically positioned to take down Drogon.
3. The swift ending of the Golden Company. Damn!
4. Greyworm's first attack on surrendered enemy soldiers (it was a moment of emotion and rage).
5. Dany and Drogon's rampage on King's Landing.
6. Cersei's tears when she realized she had lost (I love this part! )
7. Qyburn's plastering on broken bricks. It was soooo swift!
8. Euron and Jamie's face-off. Two pussy-whipped clowns. Lol!
9. The Clegane brother's face. It was so poetic!
10. Arya looking like Charlie Chaplain when she got up from the rubbles
11. Cersei's ending. Poetic but swift. I would have loved that she groveled and begged for her life at the hands of someone before dying. That would have given me so much satisfaction

The Mad Queen inspires fear! Well, I felt for the unfortunate, innocent souls of King's Landing. Sadly, there are always casualties in war. It could have been avoided in this case but it isn't just about winning sometimes.

I just hope the Mad Queen reaches for Sansa and show her this aspect of her craze. Sansa needs to fall in line.

trustbaba:

Ok.. Jon snow dieing and coming back again is not also an indication abi?? I don't know why people like u talk pooo... No body is saying that she should give up the throne. Even the legitimate heir says he doesn't want.
Dany story doesn't stop u from helping people, it only teaches that when something doesn't belong to u then it doesn't no matter how hard you try.

It seems you haven't been seeing GOT let alone understand the perspective of resurrected folks with some said purpose. Beric, for example... Beric was resurrected severally by the lord of light to save Arya, according to the Red Woman. I could cook up a theory and say Jon was resurrected to assist the other, last living Targaryen - Dany. But then, it is all ideas cooked up in my head, just as yours.

See, long back and forth bore me. I don't even have the time... If you failed to learn from Dany's plight as you walk your way through life then I have no words for you. Just in case you missed it, the greatest lesson Dany's story taught us don't go about solving people's problems when yours is unsettled.

I have been trying hard to make sense of your post, the part I emboldened and I just can't. I can't recall seeing your name as one of the producers or the co-director to have concluded on an ongoing show. So it is safe to imply, going by your peppersoup ideology that Dany is not fit for contending for the Iron Throne? What a Wawu!

While the recent episode taught me a huge lesson about sticking my neck out for people, this very thread has taught me a greater lesson that humans are not deserving of help.

Dany is presently running at a huge loss. In the space of a little time, she has lost a whole lot. A hoarde of Dothraki, over half of his unsullied soldiers, if she didn't venture into the North, Viserion wouldn't have been speared from the sky. Although we weren't told what would have happened to humanity if Bran had been killed by the NK but what I do know is that the the entire North would have been leveled in an instant the NK went beyond the wall had Dany not sacrificed to be there.

She could have easily taken the Iron Throne but suspended the idea to fight with the North. Jon Snow would have known he was a Targaryen before the arrival of the Night King but he would have perished and we wouldn't be having this back and forth over Dany being selfish.

Perhaps people don't understand that Dany believes she is sent by some whatever to be the liberator of the people. The walk through fire reinforced that belief, not just within her but those who witnessed it.

I don't want to concern myself with who gets the Throne for now but should Dany turn out to be a Mad Queen then I say so be it! Most humans would break and cave in if the things happening to her were to happen to them in reality.

Those who would be able to relate to what Dany is passing through right are those who have stuck out their necks for people and got burnt terribly in the end. You'll never understand her if you don't picture yourself in her shoes.

She is obsessed about the Throne, no doubt. She has lost soldiers, and trusted friends because of her kind act. Asking her to forget the Throne is similar to saying one should give one's dream for whatever reasons there are.

Vivipop:
Jon did? Ewo! It has be for my Danny. Now I know the nephew-aunty relationship disgusts Jon. He definitely feels weird about the whole thing, Varys was right; Jon isn't used to the Targaryean ways. No wonder he kept on saying "Queen", nothing endearing anymore. No "Danny", No "southern girl", no "I love you". Just "you are my queen", those words haven't sounded any colder than it just did now in my ears. Poor Danny, she is in for the real winter/cold. I hope I am wrong.

This isn't really true. It is true that Jon was the one who pulled away from the kiss but it wasn't because of incest. Rather, the quest for the throne. I am presently seeing the episode again as I type this and Dany feels threatened and the idea unsettles Jon.

Jon on several occasions assured her but she wouldn't calm her nerves because she feels she has worked so hard to lose at this point. You'd notice that when the Mumu Sansa and Dany had a little confrontation during the council meeting, Jon jumped in and assured Dany that the Northmen is hers to command and that they would do her bidding. Dany smiled immediately while Arya looked at Sansa, though slowly.

I believe Jon isn't bugged by the incestuous act going on between them. The insecurity of Dany worries him and he is trying at every turn in proving he isn't interested in the throne.

Cybertext:
It seems as if Jon doesn't love Dany (Lust yes! but not Love), Jon to me is behaving like a fvckboi... He has never really declared his love to Dany; any small thing he will just grab Dany's waist and be kisssing...

Dany has countless time express love to Jon, and also saved his ass more than twice. What is Jon's plan??

Jon isn't a man of many words. You should have seen that already.

RuthlessLeader:

What do you mean? Jonathan peacefully handed power to buhari when it was confirmed he lost.

You miss the point. Jonathan wasn't supposed to run. The agreement he had with the PDP was to complete a term then hand over power to the North since Yar'Adua never completed his tenure and Jonathan used two years from it. He disregard the agreement and went ahead to contest. That singular act destroyed the PDP.

The females weren't the only ones who destroyed him, nor were they the cause of the destruction. There were many reasons Jonathan failed.

Many, many reasons. The 'women rule' was one of the primary reasons. He wasn't in control and his garrulous wife got louder than ever, up until he was ousted.

Let's not derail the thread please. We could do this in the politics section.

Magnifico2000:

Jon snows story is like that of ex-president Goodluck Ebele Jonathan.
Just like Jon, he never struggled to attain power.
Remember Jon snow was chosen by Lord commander Mormont as steward because he saw qualities in him. Likewise GEJ was chosen by some PDP chieftains because they saw qualities in him too.

Jonsnow didn't allow his background(bastardof winterfell) to deter him, likewise GEJ. He didn't allow his tribe as minority group to hold him back.

Jon snow is having an affair with someone higher than his status(Daenerys Targyrean). GEJ is also married to a woman richer than him (Ebele) from trusted sources.
They are both humble and sometimes naive and slow to take actions.

Jon Snow knew when to relinquish power but GEJ didn't. He collapsed the 'gentleman agreement' he agreed to.

Jon Snow was wise not to take counsel from Sansa even though Arya reminded that he is family. GEJ allowed his government to be run by females who ended up destroying him.

Magnifico2000:
GOT Trivia!
Who said this, whom and where was it said?
A queen that inspires whores and priestesses is worth taking serious.

Bald headed, ball-less Varys to Tyrion. I think this was the episode where a LovePeddler dressed like Khaleesi. The quote was in reference to Dany.