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alBHAGDADI:
Hello,

There's this wrong believe among Christians that the Bible supports drinking alcohol but only in moderation. They say we can drink alcohol but we shouldn't get drunk. Well, I will be using Bible verses to show that Christians are not to look at alcohol not to talk of drinking it. Also, this thread will debunk common lies told to support drinking alcohol e.g Jesus turning water to wine.

The word wine is mentioned 231 times in the Bible. But the mistake we make today is that we think the wine mentioned is just alcholic wine. Half the time wine is mentioned in the Bible, it is about fruit juice.

In the Greek and Hebrew languages in which the Bible was written in, the word translated as wine was used to refer to alcohol and also fruit juice. So when those who translated the Bible into English did so, they had to look for an English word which could mean alcoholic beverage and fruit juice. That word is wine. You might wonder why the translators didn't make things easy for us by just writing fruit juice when the verse is talking of fruit juice and write alcoholic beverage when it's about alcohol. The thing is, doing such would mean they are injecting their own idea into the Bible.

Now, in modern times, we have this believe that wine means an alcoholic drinks. That's why we think the word wine in the Bible is always referring to alcohol. Let's me show you that wine in the Bible doesn't always mean alcoholic beverage but fruit juice.



As seen above, wine is found in the cluster i.e wine still in the cluster of grapes. This is purely fruit juice and not alcoholic.

However, grapes usually have a white powdery film around it called yeast. It is that yeast that is made use of to make alcoholic wine. They crush the grapes and in the process the yeast mixed with the fruit juice that was inside grape cluster. Next fermentation takes place then the result if alcoholic wine. Most times, wine makers add more yeast to attain the desired alcohol level. So you see, wine moved from normal fruit juice before it became alcoholic wine after yeast was added.

Now, there are two types of wine as explained above: The alcoholic and fruit juice. There's a certain type of wine the Bible said we shouldn't even look at, not to talk of touching our lips with it. Read the passage below.



The verse above is talking about alcoholic wine. It even describes fermentation process. It says we shouldn't even look at that type of wine. Yet some folks say we can drink it in moderation.



It describes the feeling one gets after drinking alcohol. It's a horrible feeling.



Have you ever had alcohol such that after taking it, women whom you would never touch with a ten foot poll suddenly start looking attractive to you? The above verse describes it as the effect of alcohol. It also describes how you start saying all sorts of junks which you would not normal say.



Remember when you lie down after taking alcohol and the whole bed seems like you are swimming, and also you feel like you are floating and your eyes being dizzy. That's the feeling described.



After the whole horrible night and you wake up to hangover, what's the cure drunkards usual prescribe? They say to cure hangover, start drinking again. That's what the above passage described.

Yet, some people say we can drink alcohol in moderation and that it only becomes a sin when we get drunk. Sorry buddy, the Bible says don't even look at it.

The Bible doesn't say we should drink alcohol in moderation. It says we should be sober at all times (1 Thessalonians 5:6 Titus 2:3).

Now let's see the common verses people love to twist to try to say we can drink alcohol

The first is found in the passage where Jesus turned water into wine. They fail to realize that it was fruit juice kind of wine, not the alcoholic or fermented one. Let's examine the passage carefully.



According to some people, it was alcoholic wine Jesus turned water into and gave the people at the wedding to drink. However, a closer look shows that not to be the case.

Pay close attention to verse 10 where the Bible says when men have well drunk. Let's see how the New International Version (NIV) renders that verse.



If it was alcoholic wine Jesus turned water into, then it basically means he wanted to destroy the guests at the wedding. After they have had too much to drink, Jesus decided to give them more. That means if there were cars back then, many would have accidentally on their way home. Remember the passage in Proverbs 23 which talks about the horrible effects alcohol. If we say these people were already drunk on alcohol, then Jesus just helped them double those effect in their life by giving them more. This means they would start to behold strange women and say perverse things. Now, tell me, who would want to listen to Jesus preach the next morning after the "alcoholic wine" he gave them to drink made some of the men to sleep with their housemaid to the anger of their wives? Made them to saw perverse things to their boss? Made them to sleep in the gutter? Yet you say Jesus gave people alcohol to drink.

Jesus didn't give anybody alcohol to drink. Doing so would mean he's a liar. Remember what he said in the passage below.



If it was alcoholic wine Jesus turned water into at the wedding in Cana, then he abolished the law and the prophet which spoke against alcoholic wine in Proverbs 23:31. So clearly it wasn't alcoholic wine he turned water into but fruit juice.

Another passage people love to use for an excuse to drink alcohol is seen below.

Mathew 11:18-19
18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

The above passage talks about a false accusations against Jesus who pointed out how they also falsely accused John the Baptist. Yet, some people will say because Jesus was accused of being a drunkard then it means he use to drink alcohol. Was John the Baptist possessed with a devil? No, but he was accused of such. I now wonder why you believe Jesus drank alcohol due to some false accusations. Remember, the accusation is that he was a drunkard. So if you use this verse to justify drinking alcohol, then don't get angry when some tells you that Jesus use to fall into gutter after getting drunk; he use to behold strange women and say perverse things. Can you see how wrong they are with their interpretation of the passage?

Another verse they use is seen below.




They pick the verse out context and say God is telling us that we can buy alcohol and drink it. If you read the previous verses, you will see that the context is about tithing. Those items listed alongside strong drink are to be brought to the temple for sacrifice to God. Some are eating, but it excludes the strong drink because nowhere in the above passage does it say drink the strong drink, same way it doesn't say drink the oil. Now, see what the strong drink is used for.



The strong drink or wine is poured out onto the Lord for a drink offering. It is not to be drank at all. But people have twisted the verse in Deutoronomy 14:26 to mean God is saying we can drink alcohol even when he said in Proverbs 23 that we shouldn't even look at it.

Guys, drinking alcohol is a sin and every Christian should abstain from it. Don't let anybody fool you into think moderation is the key. A little sip sends your good sense of judgment out the window. That's when another glass or bottle won't seem like a bad idea. And note, wine has tripple alcohol content that four bottles of beer. So don't think drinking a glass of wine is sophisticated. You are emore alcoholic than the beer drinker.

femooshad:
lol.. When you make claims like this. Please attach proof. 40%

femooshad:
See IGR.. With all the allocation.. SHELL khor BOX ni

Kinematics:
Willie gbe! You dey here too
These Ibos just can't leave us alone.
They want to brand us Ibos.
See that Idiot want to teach you your own name. A whole son of Amachree like you, they want to force their ibo aba made version on you.
I wish we could see this idiots face to face in PH.

Dedetwo:
You are a dumbass dingbat for uttering the above crap. Ama is a compound and Ikiri is name of animal. Most dude of the era in discourse use to take names after certain animals such Odum, Agu, Ikiri, Azumiri, Ediabali, Ekee, etc. Go read your recorded event if you even actually know your name. There are many rapscallions from so-called Rivers State who do not know how the word, Kalabari or Ijo, emerged. By the way, there is absolutely nothing Ijo have that Igbo would want to claim.

Dedetwo:
You are too young and ill-educated to even understand your background. I guess the manner in which Amaikiri (Igbo) later became Amachree (Ijo) or whatever this means.

hammer6:
The 80% is probably through marriages. The one thing that is consistent with ijaw is marrying from other tribes.

In Ondo and Delta, that was how the itsekiri, Apoi, Arogbo,(mixed yoruba and ijaw) Bini Ijaw and Isoko were created or though the Isoko are also mixed with Igbo and Urhoboo.

I dont see how Ijaw can be claiming people that share other ethinicity as Ijaw.

TonyeBarcanista is even claiming Eastern Obolo people or Andoni as Ijaw. They are in actual fact Ibibio subgroup.

People that live on land that the ijaws never reached both in Rivers and Akwa Ibom states.

Ijaw would have even claimed Ogoni if not for war between them and Okirika.

Rivers state is not ijaw, their are igbo sub group, igbo mixed with ibibio subgroup and igbo mixed with ijaw sub-group.

The main body of ijaw speakers are in Bayelsa.

Ikechukwuni6:
Dude none of us are aware if ogu-bolo truly are ijaws. Did you see any ijaws provide any evidence to back up their claim..

If you have been in this forum long enough, you would known that is how ijaws are. They did the same exact thing during discussion about ndoki and egbema. Literally even when people quoted the community in question, they still till this very day maintains those people are them. Recall few weeks ago the urhobo actually had a protest over ijaws claiming one of their territory.

Like I said before, believe ijaws claim of any land with a grain of salt.

The Ogu-obolo could well be igbo or even after ethnic group that is neither igbo or ijaws until proven otherwise..

Jaideyone:
wailers and their foolishness. the total campaign fund for Clinton wasn't even up to 700m dollars and buhari contributed 500m out of it? how more foolish can these guys get?
they can't even play opposition properly. yet they want power back by 2019. bunch clowns.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/709815/hillary-clinton-how-much-spent-campaign-net-worth-bill-rich

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/campaign-finance/

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/

foolish PDP minions

QuotaSystem:
This is a weak and very poor analogy for several reasons;

1. The Niger Delta never dug the well, and never had & still doesn't have the capacity to do so.

2. The Niger Delta by law does not own the water in the well, Nigeria does, so there is nothing like "allowing neighbours out of goodness of the heart".

3. The Niger Delta itself benefits from the "water" from the well, even with an added derivation of extra buckets which other neighbors don't enjoy, but the parents of the house are fond of wasting and stealing it so members of its household then start dying of thirst in anger thinking it's due to the neighbors activities.

4. In trying to damage the well dug by the neighbors, the members of the household end up flooding and killing themselves.

What a tragedy brought about by unmitigated stupidity of the household and wickedness of the parents.

SpicyJosBabe:
It is extremely embarrasing that someone can say Urhobo or Ijaw are the 4th largest tribe in Nigeria.
Where did the person put Kanuris, Tivs and Nupes?
Urhobos are found in only Delta central.

Nupes are the only minority group who have produced governors of 3 different states (Kwara, Niger and Kano).
And the same Nupes are also all over Kogi state and Federal capital territory.

Kanuri people are the only ones who produce governors in Borno and Yobe states. They are the largest tribe in the north-east. They are also found in Jigawa, Bauchi and Gombe states.

Tiv people are all over Benue, Nasarawa, Taraba and even Cross river state where they are among the majority groups. They are also in Cameroon in large numbers.

Gwari people have produced 2 head of state in Nigeria (Babangida and Abdulsalami Abubakar). Gbagyi (Gwari) people are among the largest tribes in Kaduna, Niger and Nasarawa states, they own majority of FCT and they are also found in Kogi.

The problem is that most southernerns think the whole north and middlebelt is Hausa-fulani which is very very wrong and ignorant!

wiseoneking:
Thanks for pointing out kalabari ijaw been one but as i read in their wikipedia, some ijaws believed that kalabari is a different language. For ijaw been the dominant group is a great Fallacy. Thanks

iSlayer2:
Another example - The arrest warrant (released online days later) of the DSS for the abducted judges. I can bet all my money that warrant is fabricated.

New Evil Introduced By APC. by DrWillie(m): 12:58pm On Jul 13, 2015
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There is a new evil that have been introduced to our already dirty and corrupt politics. It is called propaganda. Propaganda as defined by Google is ''information especially of a biased or misleading nature used to promote a political cause or point of view".
Nigerians have been blind to notice how this might change everything for the worse. Governments have been known to use this means to deceive their citizens. We had a little of it in this country until desperate politicians used it for their own selfish agendas.

This affects everyone of us irrespective of your party affiliation( PDP, APC, LP). Every politicians now know how gullible Nigerians are and will milk that avenue in any way they can. Our gullibilty as Nigerians is due to many factors ranging from tribal, religious, educational level to party affiliations but the most important one is enlightenment. Being educated does not mean you are enlightened, If not how else will one believe that Buhari has never ever used his positions in government before to his benefit(corrupt). Who was the head of PTF when Abacha was stealing our money? How could someone who is anti corruption even work in a government like that? My Dad that was far from Abacha excesses had to retire from federal service just because he couldn't stand how corrupt and evil Abacha was and Buhari said Abacha never stole a dime notwithstanding the evidence. That alone should have let an enlightened person not to buy into all the lies. I am not even talking about the corrupt people he befriended just to win elections. SMH.

Anyway, now that this new evil is embedded in our polity and seems to be working, don't be surprised when you notice how lies and counter lies will be filling our ears everday distracting us from what really matters. There is practically going to be no way to know the truth any more. What should I believe and what not when everything is said for the benefit of some crook somewhere.

Please Nigerians try to use the brains you were given. And get a truth filter so you don't swallow all they say hook, line and sink.

Pls be respectful if you need to comment. That will show you are enlightened. *lol*

tundexijim:
Oga leave that thing. Who dey cheat them. Se their states no dey receive allocation ni, 13%, Niger Delta ministry and NDDC. I'm not against restructuring o but if they can't show anything for the little they have been getting then there won't be any difference if they have total control..

tundexijim:
Oga leave that thing. Who dey cheat them. Se their states no dey receive allocation ni, 13%, Niger Delta ministry and NDDC. I'm not against restructuring o but if they can't show anything for the little they have been getting then there won't be any difference if they have total control..

DaBullIT:
Now Buhari is stepping up the game , this is good news , Ive got to call on my uncle if i can get a live feed or recorded version


These people have frustrated every citizens and all the world observers and if it does lead to a full scale war, we'll see who loses more


No tribe should be allowed to hold Nigeria to ransom and the people better start evacuating because no Criminal court, Local or international will try Buhari after having more than a year's patience to reason with these people

omenka come see

mrvitalis:
13% of that money went to the Niger Delta alone
And they got atleast another 20% of that money.. In terms of allocation, NDDC and ministry of Niger Delta
That's 33% of the total oil revenue since 1999 to 2016 that's will give u over 15 trillion naira for the Niger Delta... Given to the leaders of the region and yet nothing or little to show for it
Instead of the so called intelligent youths who school in eastern Europe to ask there youths for accountability the are looking for who to blame
Lagos State generate more than 800bn a year... Yet how much do they receive?

After I visited Jigawa year back... My eyes opened... If lamido could achieve those things then. .. we southerns have no one to blame but our leaders

mrvitalis:
It's obvious u don't stay anywhere close to Rivers State.. .. So shhh move away boy

odimbannamdi:
So i was invited to a job aptitude test in Surulere 2days ago. 3 questions caught my attention. Even though i was quite sure of the answers i provided, i still want to ask guys here for their perusal on them


Here they are:

1. A glove and cup both cost 110naira. The cost of the glove is 100times more than that of the cup. How much is the cup?

2. If it takes 10 machines 10minutes to make 10doughnuts, how long will it take 100machines to make 100doughnuts?

3. A man wants to venture into business so he buys a dozen eggs for 5naira and sells them for 3naira. From his calculation, if he sells 20eggs daily, in 1year he will be a millionaire. And his calculation is correct. How is that possible?

Pierocash:
Asari bragged and ranted than u did, today he is dumb cos everybody knows this government is nt smiling.
If u have any evidence that Obj, Tinubu, and PMB stole tender it to EFCC.If obj stole why didn't Jonathan probe him,and why didn't he expose him evn when obj accused him of corruption, that makes Jonathan evn more dumb and clueless.PMB is nt clueless, so he is doing d needful by preparing a prison for all d goats that ate all our yams, and Jonathan Is d chief he-goat.They wil jail him, or he refunds every loot and plead for leniency nothing short of that.
d Wailers can keep wailing it doesn't change d price of recharge card.