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liveyourlife007:
Sure. Nothing real.

You are real and your words are real and your phone or laptop or tablet which you used to say these words are real. So, don't confuse things

GanagiBitrus:
One of the many Mysteries of Life.

Can never be unravelled until someone provides undisputed evidence of dying & coming back to life.

Any other claim is subject to your beliefs.

Since you real eyes that you need indispensable evidence, then therefore is it not reasonable to believe He Who Came Down from heaven and Who has testified of it even before He died and came back and went back up in the presence of witnesses?

MikeofKd:
Well people fear because it registered in their belief system that there's heaven and hell and they most likely feel like they are gonna go to hell , but someone like me cannot be afraid cause I understand that there's no heaven or hell it's all tales by moonlight to keep certain people well behaved and mannered.

I'm spiritual awakened. Bye

Why did you not clearly say that you are not afraid of death? You cannot because you know that all the guilts you are guilty for, follow you through your life till the point of death. But you are living in denial.

You think you are the first and those who died did not live in denial?

You are joking. Your power of denial vanishes when death is near. Go and check any dying person and see whether they have any power to deny Truth.

liveyourlife007:
😊 Interesting. Do you want us to brainstorm on the Topic.
We can stretch it to reincarnation,Life after death, The 5th Dimension,Quantum physics, Black hole and more.
But I need to know if you are a believer or an Atheist.

When you see this answer then you should know that he is an atheists.

Secondly, there is nothing like reincarnation

Thirdly, 5th Dimension,Quantum physics, Black hole are all conjectures of mathematics. Nothing real.

josielewa:
cAN YOU PROVE THIS OR YOU ARE JUST TALKING AND REGURGITATING WHAT RELIGION TAUGHT YOU. HAVE YOU SEEN ANY MAN GO TO HEAVEN OR HELL...?

So you do not see the great fear and chill people who are about to die have to the point that people around them who are even not yet dying also feel?

Vs

I am sure you have not seen the death of a person who t lived his life righteously. If you had, you would have known that hell is real and a good world people call heaven is also real.

MikeofKd:
But there's no prove that heaven or hell exists ..

So the fear and great chill that occurs when people are about to die does not exist abi?

KingDashx:
..Only the physical body feels pain, emotions and dies.

So when your neighbour gbensh your wife, you no feel am abi?

temmyyem:
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We have to agree that the only terrorist in this country is the system called government

They are the biggest bandits yet people will keep choosing them and their unlawful laws called legal

VOsimhen144:
I swear to God this is injustice

Igbos are the scapegoat! I wasn't born when the civil war occurred, but seeing continually how the Igbos are treated justifies everything 💔

How is it unjust? Did he not do the things alleged?

Kukutente23:
You don't know law
If you know law you won't tell me to ask Google
Why your body dey hot for this matter
This is matter of law not APC
Rest

You are seeing

Count 6 - Made broadcast on 20/8/2020, urging students of Physics, Chemistry and Chemical engineering to make improvised explosives. Contrary to Section 12f of the Terrorism Prevention Amendment Act 2013

And

Count 7 - Importing a radio transmitter into Nigeria, in a concealed container with used household items, so as to be declared as used household items. Contrary to Section 47(2) of the Customs and Excuse Duties Act 2004

And you are still looking for your law or you do not know how to read?

SkengRay:
I understand that Reasoning is Hard for the likes of People like you. But Resulting to insult in a Logical Argument is disappointing. Ok even if I was born in 2008 between the both of us right now you're the one throwing tantrums and acting like a toddler because the truth goes against everything you were spoonfed

Since when did asking pointed questions become an insult or tantrum display?

It is even you who went atrantuming, which is what I was taken in as I expressed in writing.

And of course all these is a distraction as you can now see that you cannot answer the questions advanced which lands exactly on my points and your lack of answer proves how far wrong you are, which you are slowly real eyesing.

As I said, I understand aggression and denials are always the first reactions towards Truth.

So, if you don't have any reasonable question or query, all my points are made especially as I also said you could go check them out to see if they are True or not.

But the records clearly show that you could not answer the questions given you.

SkengRay:
it is pointless going back and forth with you. You prove already that you're an ignoramus, my Debate is forcing you to think but you refuse to. You think you've figured it out. What a clown . Thinking one way won't help you to see things clearly. You can reflect on my comments maybe you might figure it out someday. Peace out.

You say this because you real eyes that you can not answer any of my questions without it disgracing you which is why you are crying.

But i understand, aggression and denial is always the first reaction that follows when Truth is given.

SkengRay:
. all the Rules you are here yapping about are morals of conduct that was created by men.

Tell us when did men sit down and create the law saying "agreements should be kept, every man is entitled to fair hearing, every man should respect the rights of others etc"? And who are the men who you say created morals?

SkengRay:
Man Created Religion ( God Said you should do this and that), man Created Social Rules and legal systems.
The Bible you're quoting here was written by Priest, Historians and the likes and it has been alter over time.

How is this relevant?
Even your maths, chemistry and biology textbooks and your fake manmade laws have been reviewed and revised several times since 1960, so how is this a problem? And how does it address the issue?

You are just looking for new arguments to make
.

SkengRay:
Religion originated from Culture, you can't talk about religion and not talk about culture they are imbedded with one another.
Christianity originated from the Jews it Spread down to the Romans that edited , shaped and Politicized which then became a tool of colonization.

All these are definitely off point!

SkengRay:
A Question to you How did Christianity come by to Nigeria I bet you've never even thought of it. The major Religion ( both Christianity and Islam) were used to keep obedient. It's either you Obey or you perish in Hell that is what is used to keep in World in check.

You obviously think that you are talking to your mate born in 2008. I understand now, you are gen z so you no nothing other than what social media said and what your stu atheists teacher said.

Whereas if you had sense you would have seen that you too have heard about hell and yet you carry hook up, up and down just like everybody else, so how has hell controlled you?

SkengRay:
I can see Ai written all over this you're getting this mixed up. Natural laws are the rules the universe follows by itself examples are laws of polarity, Cause and effect, Laws of Gravity e.t.c. all the Rules you are here yapping about are morals of conduct that was created by men. Man Created Religion ( God Said you should do this and that), man Created Social Rules and legal systems. The Bible you're quoting here was written by Priest, Historians and the likes and it has been alter over time. Religion originated from Culture, you can't talk about religion and not talk about culture they are imbedded with one another. Christianity originated from the Jews it Spread down to the Romans that edited , shaped and Politicized which then became a tool of colonization. A Question to you How did Christianity come by to Nigeria I bet you've never even thought of it. The major Religion ( both Christianity and Islam) were used to keep obedient. It's either you Obey or you perish in Hell that is what is used to keep in World in check. You saying every man knowing what was wrong and whats right is a blatant lie. Jean Jacques said and I quote " Humans were born Free, and everywhere he is in chains. This means we were born with a clean mind we were first taught what was wrong and right by our parents and then the society( schools, churches, mosques e.t.c) or you'd say you knew what was wrong and Right at the Age of 3? Impossible we were imprinted with these morals by society. You didn't even answer the Questions I asked as expected it was direct as as it should be. So it's pointless going back and forth on that topic. Your mind has been altered already and only you can break free from it, like Marcus Garvey said " Emancipate yourselves from mental Slavery no but over selves can free our mind. This Religion has colonized used completely telling us what is Right or Wrong saying it's ordained from God. It's has told us to reject our culture claiming it is evil but asking you lots to cling to it's culture.

It is clear my response shocked you into coma and so in your bid to cope and live you are now trying to dodge and move away from the issue by trying to raise new ones since you see that you cannot counter my answer.

And that is why you wish to blame it on A.i. meanwhile I have said all these several years ago in the different threads including some of my own.

Of which I did a thread on this some weeks back when I met another person like you on the Soyinka Visa thread who did not know and I schooled him. And till today, he still cannot find any valid thing to say.
https://www.nairaland.com/8556733/natural-law-vs-artificial-law#137393653

So, you both are showing how ill educated and misled you people are as you do not know history meanwhile you are thinking law started with your legislators, something that only just started here now now in 1960 which maybe to you 2006 babies sounds like 1900.

https://www.nairaland.com/8551321/visas-privileges-not-rights-us/6#137317320

Go and read up if you like and if you have any reasonable question to ask, drop it, and I'll address it as best as I can.

And do note, it is clear that you are confused as you've got a lot of stu.... & silly untidy sheet running in your mind without order and clarity. For instance anong all the rawb.ish in your mind, in the bold you say "Natural laws are the rules the universe follows by itself examples are laws of polarity, Cause and effect, Laws of Gravity e.t.c"

So, who is the universe, is it you the man and human beings and animals or is it the universe of moon, sun, stars, mercy etc? Let's see what you mind will produce

AntiChristian:
He had the power to avoid formication but not the power to kill Philistines!

If Boko haram could be killing like Samson did, what's the difference?

Is it not all men that have the power to avoid fornication?
And has Boko haram not already proved that they can kill without super powers?

So leave the matter

SkengRay:
I agree natural laws can't be changed but The laws you listed here have nothing to do natural laws these human moral frameworks. Killing someone is Said to be Bad what if I killed someone has an act of self defense? No it isn't.

Natural law also created what is called "self defence" and damages and restitution. And self defence, payment of damages and restitution are all good

Exodus
18 And if men strive together, and one smite another with a stone, or with his fist, and he die not, but keepeth his bed:

19 If he rise again, and walk abroad upon his staff, then shall he that smote him be quit: only he shall pay for the loss of his time, and shall cause him to be thoroughly healed.

(Exodus 22:2–3).

"If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him"

Two basic principles taught in this text are the right to own private property and the right to defend that property, even if it causes the death of the trespasser assailant.

Also self defence came to play and availed Moses when he killed the Egyptian trying to kill his Israelite brother. And that was why God still worked with him.

Black’s Law Dictionary, self-defence is protecting oneself or property against injury attempted by another

AI Overview
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Key Factors in Self-Defense Cases | Justin E. Sterling
Self-defense is the act of protecting oneself, one's family, or one's property from a physical attack, often by using force.

And none of these laws were created by men. Every man was born knowing it and acting under it which is why even right from childhood when our classmate did that chair pulling thing, we did him back.

SkengRay:
in
Deuteronomy 22: 20-21 it talked about stoning to death of female non virgin, my Question to you is 1. Is that Right or wrong 2. Was that Order from God?

First, is being a non virgin good?

Nairaland people have already answered that it is not good as non virgins are rejected as proven by the virgin or nothing fellas.

https://www.nairaland.com/8467761/should-marry-33-year-old-virgin-23-year-old/4#136002571

So you see non virgins are already in the Wrong area.

And remember that Deuteronomy 22:20 starts from 13/14 showing a woman who deceived the man who wanted to marry her that she is a virgin, by not telling him (a fact that till tomorrow still pains all men) where everyone is a virgin, so he naturally presumed that she is one.

13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,

14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:

Now you see why non virgins had to run away from their lands and join a vagabond murderer or thief to go to a place where they can start their own land where fv.ki.ng fornication and adultery must be allowed. So you see where and how your supposed moral disagreement started from?

And this is where towns and cities started from as more criminals running from judgement ran to those places and those places became a haven for them. And that is why you see it is in such places you find brot.hels

And it is them who caused armed robbery, banditry, slavery, colonialism, Taxism, war as that non virgin and her murder causing vagabond husband and the people that follow them must steal and kill and destroy to be rich and to increase their riches

And that is why it is said
We do not look in great cities for our best morality. Jane Austen,

Game of thrones also shows you

Petyr "Littlefinger" Baelish
"Look around you. We're all liars here. And every one of us is better than you."
He delivers this line to Sansa Stark in Season 2, Episode 10, when Sanza stark was lying about going home.

SkengRay:
Interesting point, but if natural law truly forces everyone to know right from wrong, how do we explain the vast moral disagreements across cultures and history? People have justified slavery, war, and oppression were they ‘forced’ to know it was wrong? Even among deeply religious people, interpretations of right and wrong vary widely. If morality were truly innate and universal, such debates wouldn’t exist?

Go and check it. There is no disagreement on all the natural law precepts. Eg in every place it is agreed that fair agreements (contracts) should be kept and honoured. And it is agreed everywhere that cheating and adultery is bad. And it is agreed that it is not right to in slave anyone.

So, you can see the disagreement is always coming from the people who do not have to do the right and good thing.

It is always a Wike. Dperson who after he has in slaved a person who came to serve him that will now say "wetin concern you? Is he your servant? is he not doing my work? You are there complaining instead of you to go and do your own". Or the second circumstance of where a neighbour saw how he was doing, then said he would do his own as he too does not like honour contracts, as they say "e easy to pay salary?"

So this is how the confusion and so called disagreement started.

Meanwhile, the natural law never changed and from ancient days till tomorrow when the world ends, it is always the Law that fair contracts must be kept and honoured and cheating/adultery is bad, no matter what man may say

SkengRay:
What are the Rules Amigo I will like to learn? God Told us bro? Religion has absolutely nothing to do with God. Right and Wrong was decided by humans. You think God has anything to do with the Bible. You so called bullshit rules has no effect on the divine Order. Obeying Rules won't decide you'd have a perfect lasting marriage. And it's ironic your moniker is named truth speaker when you haven't searched for the truth, you just followed what the Society gave you

First, right and wrong was not laid by men. It was God Who did it through what is called Natural Law. And because of it every man is forced to confess the Truth of what is Right as different from what is wrong even when they don't want to. Any opposition here?

SkengRay:
check the new edit @Dtruthspeaker

Oh! I am readdressing it

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SpencerForbes:
The virgin’s ex boyfriend If a virgin hasn’t bonded with a guy sexually, how are you sure she loved him?

Why do you think some men don’t deserve virgins?

There’s no ex boyfriend when it comes to virginity. If she loved him as much as she thought, she wouldn’t still be a virgin. Women prove their love through sex. Bring another argument.

Do you not see how he is shaking because it is ex boyfriend?

It's the law of congo dynamics.

The Congo may not have been shined but the whole body and breast and mouth and the visible part of the Congo has been shined. So now that uncle has taken the honour of opening the road, she now needs full service.

And go and check his threads, I told him 2yrs back that the wife will not be happy that while she was a virgin, he was not. And he went into detail. And now, it is all coming together.

As I said I am just a social scientist watching the going one and I stand to be corrected.

I'm still stuck in Iberia, Alitalia, KLM, Varig and co.

jmoore:
You still dey cry na. Cry us Atlantic ocean

Says the one crying virgin, virgin, so tay d flood form 5 oceans.

SpencerForbes:
What is really the problem Are you feeling guilty?? Because I don’t see what you’re trying to preach. Maybe you’re guilty your wife’s past can come to haunt you both. Not everyone will marry virgins. The few that wants to marry, let them do. I don’t see the need for the post.

Would you rather advise young men should marry a woman with more than 100 body counts, What are you teaching young girls?

Maybe if majority of us were to go back to our forefathers ways when it comes to virginity, maybe we’ll be able to curb the promiscuity of young girls in the society.

Stop preaching rab bish please.

You can see that I don't have a problem rather I am just here wondering how long it would take for people to see that they are f00....s and that they can never get it right.

Let me make it even worser, some people (actually many people are not qualified to marry a virgin and God will never allow them to. And a virgin girl who made the mistake of marrying them is a f000... and she will even later real eyes it and the marriage will still scatter like the one the guy is going through.

And you know the funny thing, the ex boyfriend may even be the one encouraging her to continue in the marriage which is why she would even love him more and will now want to be around him more hence the long phone calls. Ehen, I have made it worse.

SkengRay:
Funny guy . 1. God Doesn't Exist under Any Religion and those rules you claim existed were created by Men like you.

Of course God is above all religions, so that one is moot. But where did you see men telling you not to fornicte? When they are the ones even telling you that if you no mash that babe you fv k up.

SkengRay:
2. No one can forecast the future Most guys clamoring to marry a virgin may not even end up with one, Some may end up not getting married.

There are lots of Pastors with broken marriages even though they abided by the rules of the Bible, They are Prostitutes and damaged people (both gender)that had Solid Relationships. You can abide by rules of the Bible you will still have challenges in one Aspect of Life or Another. Now to Marriage you don't just pick a Random partner they're a lot of factors that are meant to be Carefully evaluated. Being a Virgin or not doesn't determine how strong the marriage is going to last. You partner being a Virgin means she's Sexually disciplined and has sexual purity no more no less? If one chooses a partner solely based on virginity the marriage will fail.

No man can but God has already told us. And today we have all read again and again about all their ends.

And I said being a virgin is a good start, there are still other rules you still have to obey before you get a good, no great marriage.

But for now, i am just saying that all your ways will never work even if the couples are virgins. But as I said, you people always think that you are wiser than God, so, I am here to watch the failures. And for anyone who is about to toe that same way, I am saying failure is waiting for them

Oya, remember.

Come to remember this, you people first said you wanted virgins before only to later cry that non virgins are better. Changing up and down.

https://www.nairaland.com/1451014/men-still-care-virgins#18318516

Re: Do Men Still Care About Virgins? by stan4b(m): 8:46pm On Sep 23, 2013
I don't wish my wife to b a virgin. I want a woman dat will just love nd understand me,nd knw hw to give me a good time in bed,nt some virgins dat will b scared to av good sex nd romance.

https://www.nairaland.com/1140185/nigerian-men-what-shes-not#13502746

Re: Nigerian Men, So What If She's Not A Virgin? by Andrew3(m): 7:31pm On Dec 22, 2012
F uck all virgins, will walk pass even if i see one.

na mama agba i dey look for grin grin grin

Let me just press the refresh buttons.

ZombieDredd:
That phenomenon no concern me in my current state.

I'm alive to Christ, in Christ

I press brake here.

jmoore:
Why are you still crying na?

E dey affect you cos you are wailing.

Says the one who rushed in here crying that I am telling you not to marry a virgin.

our plan no go still work even if you find virgin. You go still cry like your brother wey don do am already while you still dey find virgin since 2 years now.

ZombieDredd:
I'm very much alive.

I can't be tied with people because I did fornication with them in time last.

I'm a free man in Christ

I know you are still here on earth alive and since you say you are a Christian then you are suppose to know that there is a phenomenon we all have seen and confessed where a person is de.ead yet he is still breathing. Revelation 3:1: ,"I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead."

ZombieDredd:
That soul tie thing is rubbish.

I disvirgined 3 ladies at different relationships that lasted long, still didn't soul tie anything.
They are all active on social media we no dey even talk again.

That soul tie na for weak people

You don't know what soul tie is. Plus if you are not feeling it means that you are de.ead.

And the last time you ever noticed it was the first time you had sex and that is why people say 'you don't forget the first'

Moveittothem:
Nature has no morality, humans invented it.

Nature is based on natural selection, it doesn't care what behaves well, it only cares about what's survives best.
To nature, then end justify the means.

We don't respect or fear the authority because it has good character, we fear and obey authority because it has the capacity to cause us damage when we don't.
Do with this information with what you deem fit.
What you fail to understand may never forgive your ignorance.

Now you are saying might is right?