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Caveatemptor:
THE BIBLE ON SLAVERY.
we all agree that slavery is bad and morally unjust.
From this premise it will be assumed a religious book would condemn such an action. Does the bible in any shade or form condem this abominable act?
No in fact the bible supports slavery of human beings in all forms and even goes further to tell you how to enslave people. Through out the new testament Jesus Christ never for once condemns slavery. Christ performs many noble actions,gives a lot of advise on how to be a good person and how to attain the kingdom of heaven but does he for once condemn slavery? No he does not. What about Peter his disciple? Does he condemn slavery? No he does not!

This is not in the bible abi?
1) if a slave escapes do not return him. Deuteronomy 23:15

2) Leviticus 19:18 "Thou shall not steal (whether persons or things. Exodus 20:15/17 expanded its scope) neither deal falsely".

3) Leviticus 25:17 "Ye shall not therefore oppress one another; but thou shalt fear thy God:"

4) Exodus 23:9 "Thou shalt not oppress a stranger:

5) Exodus 20:21 "Thou shalt neither vex a stranger nor oppress him:

6) Exodus 20:22 "ye shall not afflict ...a fatherless child".

7 ) Exodus 23:2 "Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil:"

Exodus 23:6 "Thou shalt not wrest the judgement of thy poor in his cause"

SO YOU ARE A BIG FAT LIAR!

Dem go still delete this thread again. If you look well well you will see that jw is an atheist society created for people cursed by God with poverty to co-operate with themselves so as to escape from poverty with the condition that they never leave else they would be declared Òsù

Which is why you see lying and twisting and all the satanic characters as played by Max and co is done.

Caveatemptor:
However I don't want to derail this thread so I challenge you to open your own thread and tag me so we can quote Bible passages and critically examine the bible.

Threads have been raised just like the one i showed you addressing these allegations and you people have no reasonable counter just like this one, so I answer your challenge and tell you to counter my thread on slavery of you can.

E.g.counter this.

said if a slave escapes do not return him. Deuteronomy 23:15

Meaning He is Free.

Another Proof that God is Against Slavery and Sought the freedom of Slaves

Caveatemptor:
Keep burying your head like an ostrich as usual.
The problem I always have with Christians is refusal to see errors in the Bible and rationality explain these errors. You guys would rather turn a blind eye to all the contradictions and evil teaching in the Bible and attempt to explain it away in a circular kind of way.
See no evil and hear no evil

Once again I repeat the bible does not condemn slavery and promotes misogyny, genocide, human sacrifice, rape,mass murder,lies,incest,destruction of entire civilisations amongst other evil deeds. That is why so many pastors and religious leaders are able to engage in paedophilia and sexual abuse of their female members. ...

Look,I know it is hard for you to accept these things but deep down in your heart you know all what I wrote is true. .

You are the one clearly wearing a blindfold and earplugs unseasonably refusing to accept the reasonable explanations given for these allegations you make. And even after explaining them and you had no reasonable counter just like your Marcion issue, you choose to act dead horse. Rather repeating yourself as though you are a public announcement.

See no reason and hear no reason.

Deep down you know you know that the bible has spoken the Truth which is why you do not have any reasonable counter to our explanations exactly how Truth is, but because you are the type of person it has cut off, you are therefore looking for anything to use against it.

Caveatemptor:
However I don't want to derail this thread so I challenge you to open your own thread and tag me so we can quote Bible passages and critically examine the bible.

Threads have been raised just like the one i showed you addressing these allegations and you people have no reasonable counter just like this one, so I answer your challenge and tell you to counter my thread on slavery of you can.

Caveatemptor:
Answering to the emboldened while ignoring the rest.....
The bible is a book full of contradictions celebrating: Slavery,misogyny, rape,genocide, human sacrifice, destruction of entire civilisations,incest,and lies amongst some many other crimes.

This thread is about one of what you people call contradictions and as you have seen, it is explained. And the contradictions are not even bad. Just a proof that devils will reveal themselves by their talks.

Secondly, the bible is the first to condemn slavery and order the release of slaves.

https://www.nairaland.com/7554359/god-condemned-slavery-7-bible

Thirdly, it condemned all the evils you mentioned, rapist, incest, liars and entire evil nations were punished, so nothing wrong here.

Caveatemptor:
You have started engaging in your circular way of thinking that everything in the Bible is good. It's your right as an adherent to reason so. I grant you that however the bolded statement is where I disagree with you.
Please can you empirically prove this your bolded statement?
Can you prove the existence of this your incinerator and where is it based? Is this fire in the sky or deep in the bowels of the earth? Or is this fire in outer space?
I wish to be enlightened.

This is not the topic.

So I take it that you have nothing to say about my response to the Marcion error.

Can you show something in the bible which is bad?

jaephoenix:
How is this crap related to my point?

You got it that i said that the bible is meant to be confusing to devils

Caveatemptor:
I suggest you start your search from Marcion of Sinope. He was the first man/theologian to create a bible before the current council of Nicaea bible you are currently clutching on to.
The problem with Christians is your refusal to read and do research and in cases where you research your refusal to recognise the truth even if it slapped you in the face.
Your circular form of reasoning prevents you from accepting any truth contrary to" the truth in the Bible ".

For your information before the council of Nicaea, Marcion compiled and created his own bible and his own philosophy of religion in which there were two different gods. The evil wicked inferior demiurge god of the old testament and the loving superior god of the new testament and the father of Jesus.
The church elders and the Romans declared this man's bible heresy and his bible and books were destroyed and burned by the Roman government of the day and the current bible created with more books.
Read up. These things are all over the Internet if I am telling lies but the problem is you reason in a circular way. Any thing in your Roman created bible is true,no matter how ludicrous it sounds.
Good luck.

At least it is not Marcion who wrote the bible. Like jws he just gave it his own twisted understanding (philosophy).

And common sense even tells you that Marcion was full of shit and lack of understanding for his so called "loving superior god" did not do anything superior the so called new testament.

So clearly, he had a crooked understanding and therefore his works failed for it is clearly written "A man shall not be established by wickedness: but the root of the righteous shall never be moved"

And God is righteous from the old till forever thus why the whole world sees the kjv standing imovable.

So it is not the Romans who created the bible but some righteous man who God gave wisdom and understanding just like the disciples to decode and complile His messages creating it exactly how God wanted it to be for God does not give His kingdom to everybody. Mathew 13:11

So anyone who does not understand the bible should already know that he is cut off from God and has a part in the fire in which Satan and his people are cast into.

jaephoenix:
And the inspirator cannot inspire them uniformly knowing the book may confuse future generations?

Do you do things uniformly? Did you not also hear that the bible is written so that devils are cut off?

MaxInDHouse:
So he couldn't be pleased with the songs sang for the glory of the same God he detests His word!

His wahala!

englishmart:
Their accounts aren't the same. Or didn't they see the same thing?

That is why I said "2 witnesses different angles and viewings. Obviously they saw the same subject matter at different times. Hence why I said "One sees 10,000 and left while the other sees 40,000 before he left.

MaxInDHouse:
The OP isn't a believer so if anyone could sing for him to like such song yet he's not interested in what the song says then it's not for the gospel. Songs meant for the praise of God can never ever sound nice to the world because Satan is the ruler of the world so they are against holiness!

No where did he say they sang for him.

LordIsaac:
Meaning neither of them was ‘inspired’ ? I ask because the HolySpirit cannot lie.

Clearly the inspiration is to tell us what they saw.

MaxInDHouse:
Stop running!
Quote the song God's people sang for the pleasure of unbelievers.

See. Now you have run from the other rubbishes you were raising to the issue of the thread now twisting it by adding "for the pleasure of unbelievers" whereas those songs are exactly like Psalms and a praise and worship to God which any one who hears or reads them like the Psalms is drawn and inspirited to worship God too.

But of course as the satanist that you and your jw satanic cult are, you people are tortured and annoyed when people start worshipping God.

It is one of the worst things a people can do to you devils even supporting crazed filled and sin filled worldly music.

This just proves that jws are one of the many demons screaming when God is being worshipped!

onumadu:
Since you neither have any experience on the matter, nor any information different, you will be IGNORED henceforth.

There are quite a few of such people that I avoid on nairaland for the fact that engaging them on any level is toxic for the soul.

I guard my psycho-spiritual space very sturdily, and it is in fact a MAJOR part of my strategy to living a life of DOMINION over all forces of darkness.

I've read too many books on people like you who actually need Exorcism, but want to claim moral or leadership authority.

Most times sef, I defeat the devil by pure human intelligence, logic and common sense. I've said so in another thread in this religious section.

So, bye from me.
IGNORED HENCEFORTH.

As is in your power to do.

I am just sharing my own information and what things I saw in the bible which saved me from this rubbish. It may be valluable to another person as it was for me. That is all.

MaxInDHouse:
You will rush, quote people who knows better than you to criticize them but after you've been proved wrong you will be looking for ways to escape.

Did Jesus teach his disciples to keep the Sabbath?

See you who claims to know better yet you did not know that it is clearly written in the bible that the disciples kept the Sabbath even after Jesus died. Clearly they did it in front of Him and He did not say it was wrong.

Even Jesus respected the Sabbath by dodging it and resurrecting immediately after it.

As i said, the kingdom of God is not for you.

MaxInDHouse:
Are you keeping the Sabbath (Saturday)?
If not then you're not keeping the laws God gave the Israelites.
Those laws ended when the promised Christ arrived to teach them how to gain salvation.
That's what God promised them through Moses! Deuteronomy 18:18-19
It's not the same laws!

Did you not see God complaining throughout that they did not keep the Sabbath?
Did you not see that the disciples even after the death and resurrection of Christ obeyed The Law and kept the Sabbath?
Did you not see that even Moses knew that they are like you? Deuteronomy 31:27

Anyway, you are already marked for the lake of fire.

onumadu:
@Dtruthspeaker

You win.

I think the thread is being derailed from its intended goal...

The goal of this thread is to share information/experiences by INFORMED people, or people who dealt with and surmounted (or not) the problem.

If you have had the experience, or helped someone solve this problem, please share your experience.

And I have shared mine and dealt with it by understanding what God does to women who go a whorring and avoided them completely.

'If you think abstinence is hard try breaking a soul tie"

onumadu:
Ever wonder why wickedness and societal destruction have been accelerating in Nigeria with the increase in number of churches?

Secretly, you wish God did not exist else you would have known that surely His Word in Mathew 24:12 will certainly happen, which you have now seen that it has indeed come to pass.

onumadu:
@[b]
People like you are exactly why Jesus said "Judge not, that you be not judged".

My last advice to you is to pray that you or someone you know never encounter life situation that would also attract people like you judging blindly.
It is usually what happens.

Exactly what people say when their conscience judges them.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus ended the covenant God had with Jacob's descendants and started another one with anyone that believes in his ransom sacrifice so it's not the same laws!

It's the other way round. Jacob's descendants nullified and cast aside The Law and covenant, Christ brought it back with an upgrade.

englishmart:
I thought it was inspired.

Inspired to testify what they saw.

jayAjoku:
na only Africans e Dey befall abi

You no dey see say even before Africa, oyibo don fall since? You no see say the "I no fit marry" curse wey dem be dey get since 1980 don enter Africa?

MaxInDHouse:
Fool!
Jesus wasn't talking about the law God gave Israelites through Moses rather he was talking about the laws God is giving enter mankind as a New Covenant through himself as the mediator.

See most high fool!
So in Mathew 15:9, Jesus was not talking about The Law God gave Moses? Or is His mediation itself is it not based on The Law God gave Moses? Stupid condemn condemn.

jayAjoku:
Who made sex ?
what about the people that have sex a lot and it’s not destroying them and they’re not Christians how about them ? It is because you are tiny brained and susceptible that’s why your religious leaders are using your head worst of all you are a hypocrite acting like you don’t have sex on a regular basis you bloody religious people are the biggest hypocrites

See cry and noisemaking. You thought people do not see all the disasters which fall on you fornicators and adultery.

MaxInDHouse:
Stupidity at it's peak!

Moses that never heard or lived by the law of Christ is a Christian!

See high quality fooliish condemn condemn!
Christ Said anyone who keeps my Father's Commandment (Law which God gave Moses) is His brother and sister and friend.

ufotunang:
..abi...a hungry man has no choice 🙄

Ah! You never sacrifice before if not you for know say no normal hungry man go chop am.

englishmart:
Two stories, different message. This is worrisome

No. Just 2 witnesses different angles views.

englishmart:
2 chronicles 9:25 and 1 King 4:26 are obviously talking about the same thing, but they don't add up, or maybe I'm wrong.

2 chronicles 9:25 says "And Solomon had 10,000 stalls for horses and chariots and 12,000 horsemen"

2 Kings 4:26 says "And Solomon had 40,000 stalls of horses for the chariots, and 12,000 men"

First says, "10,000 stalls for horses and chariots" while the second says, 40,000 stalls of horses for the chariots.
The semantics is befuddling. Could someone help me construe this?

That is how witnesses report looks like. One sees 10,000 and left while the other see 40,000 before he left.

Sales boys have shown you. One says he saw 10,000 the other saw 32,550 in the same shop.

jayAjoku:
it’s not your religious leaders have just brainwashed you into believing it is .

See the-evil!
So people are blind and do not see how people have been destroyed by sex?

Fab21:
Profound!

But my question is, how about those who indulge in it and yet, they're still prosperous. They're progressing in career, academics etc.

What do you think?

They do not prosper forever. Keep watching them you would see that their lives must change to a horrible miserable one even if they are still rich.

You will see that they are never happy, they can never have good marrisges, and they always frustrated.

That is how their curse would look like. If it is not poverty, then it is this one.

samefiok:
Bro,no matter how holy one is, when the flesh says it wants something,it takes the grace of God & determination to say no, as a youth I'm finding it peaceful in my path of solitude & Abstinence but I no go lie there are days where my head go dey bang like mad,my body go just dey Hot anyhow until I masturbate before the heat for my body go calm down,Omo this flesh is an obstacle to our Goals

My post is for you. Do not have sex with anybody until you marry her. It's your life and death!

Basicend:
Madam,

If you are very spiritual person, you will easily understand that women have very weak stamina when it comes to upholding the just laws in the spirit. That is why they cannot stand in the midst of refining fires of purity for a long time.

That is the issue.

I am sorry.

That is what you stupidly think. Women know more than you what is going on for if you knew all the things they have done then you would understand why they are always running all over the place looking for prayer.

Alexprech:
Na u dey deceive yourself

He don die now e no know.