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AuthenticKing:
Yen yen yen, the Bible is a book of fictions, legends, plagiarism and of course, some history. Your Bible issa copycat, simple!

Now you are repeating yourself, means you can not counter.

AuthenticKing:
Lol lol lol. You're making this statement based on your strong beliefs that the Bible is the true word of God but 'thank God' your Bible came after these existing laws so your assumption is completely false.

Immaterial as long as this now shows that you have no reasonable counter.

AuthenticKing:
Yen yen yen, I've observed you keenly on this platform, you're an expert rubbing your beliefs on people and you use all sorts of devices to achieve that, by sounding authoritarian and not just insulting them but cursing them with the name of your God, of course you also try to engage in healthy arguments sometimes but you do more of the authoritarian and cursing tactic.
But let me give you a very simplistic analogy on how truth works, e.g. 1 + 1 = 2, it's a universal truth and remains the same all round the world, you can't argue against it and no one resorts to cursing others who don't agree with it, they simply show them proof on why it is so but you know one problem with your "truth" (there are so many of them), there's no raw evidence of it

Go look again I only curse people who curse God. But if the issue stays on a matter of position, I simply make my point and leave. Only returning to point out flaws and errors in their further argument if necessary.

And I am happy you used "1 +1 =2 all over the world" exactly as I said Law aka Morals is all over the world and some of your people disagreed, and I answered them, and not a single curse was there, even when some insulted me.(and you did not tell them that it is wrong to insult me o)

Judas1X:
First of all. Don't ever edit my posts in your miserable life. I never used a simile in my post...

First, every one can see that I edited it to show the direction of my mind, since of course, you did not know what I have in mind when I made my statements but I'll try to avoid amending your posts.

Judas1X:
I was specific about the existence of the sun. Look at you twisting my words to create a different question for yourself.

It is not reasonable for you to be specific as to the sun as the sun is not the only thing in existence in which people may or may not even argue about.

Therefore, I am free to use other things in existence to make my point.

Judas1X:
Second, your post was about disagreements about where the bus was headed, not the existence of the bus (object)

My post was about the existence of the agglomerates of fact that G.A.M means a bus going to or coming from Warri. (Object)

Judas1X:
So we've established that you also don't know the meaning of "obvious" . It is obvious that the vehicle is a bus. What is not obvious is where it's headed. You may speculate based on certain things, but you can't know for certain

Portharcourt-Lagos Road travellers know that G.A.M is obvious. But there is always one fellow traveller who opens his mouth in his lack of knowing to say things he should not say because he does not know. Which is the point I was making!

Judas1X:
An insult is an insult no matter how hard you try to twist it, so don't start wailing whenever I give you what you rightly deserve

There is no twisting in calling a very filthy person, "a pig" and in defamation, (The Law against Insults) calling a very filthy person, "a pig" is not an insult (defamation).

AuthenticKing:
You said the issue of man making laws has been obliterated and I insisted that it hasn't, man makes laws.

You said we can look beyond man and that's where the Bible and God takes the lead and I insisted the both are irrelevant since they appeared after existing laws.

The issue is the history of Law morality and we have both arrived at the place where man is seen to have made law (legal) for the first time.

And we see that Law was still above man even before he made his legal. So man, creating legal is now no longer in issue. And it is now time to look at records which goes beyond this point, which is where the Bible and God takes lead.

So, you are free to bring any good evidence which we can reasonably examine together, in comparison to the Bible.

Judas1X:
[b]Don't try too hard. Take a look at your grammar ...

You got the message, so no issue.

Judas1X:
Everybody can now see that you cannot read. Hahahahahaha . Abeg what was the question again? The world bears me witness to your intellectual handicap

And your word doth bear me witness that I did verily answer you.

"If it was commonly seen and known, then arguments about its existence wouldn't exist. Unless you can prove me wrong by showing me anywhere you see people arguing about the existence of "commonly seen and known," (like) the sun?

And the bus bearing G.A.M is as the sun.

Judas1X:
It's almost funny how you call me a demon and think you've made a damning insult that will make me feel bad if I read it . I insist that I'm a DEMON. A one man legion. You can't run from me. The fact that you call me a demon only shows your fear and cowardice. You know you can never outlast me in a verbal duel. I always drag you into the mud . You know that whenever we cross paths, I run circles around you and leave you looking more clueless than when we started. You're no match for me..

o I wish you people would learn that calling a very filthy person, "a pig" is not an insult.

Secondly, I did give acknowledge your title "king of the verbal filth" so, no one is challenging your throne!

Judas1X:
What is this trash?

I asked where you've seen people arguing about the sun and look at your response. Is this not "Change Of Post™", hmmmm?

And I did more than show you what I saw! I showed you the case I saw.

Judas1X:
[b]Yeah it's so little that you're bitching behind their backs about how they're causing you pain. A grown man moaning about people who don't even bother with him

Yet, you got the mention notice. That is not a behind your back.

Judas1X:
Remember this quote DMumuSpeaker? Hehehehehe ...

Somna suffers insanity, everyone knows that. While all the others you mentioned are the same parties in a suit (plaintiff) in the same case where I am the Defendant. And I answered them all.

Parties in a suit can not be Judges.

Judas1X:
Hahahahahaha. The coward doesn't even have the balls to mention my moniker properly. I have now taken the liberty to correctly spell...

Shows how 'little' I acknowledge that you guys exist!

Judas1X:
[b]If it was commonly seen and known, then arguments about its existence wouldn't exist. Unless you can prove me wrong by showing me anywhere you see people arguing about the existence of the sun?

No recent example here in nairaland so here is one.

A fully loaded bus printed G.A.M.seen along Lagos-Ibadan express way. And someone's says that bus reminds me of Warri, hmm yummy. I won go Warri.

Then one idiot would then ask how you take know say that bus dey go Warri? .

AuthenticKing:
Lol. My statement was based on fact that your Bible borrowed from the codes of Ur-Narmu, Hammurabi, Eshuanna and other codes that existed before it and the Americans supposedly based their morality on this Bible.
Those codes are also verifiable just like the Romans too and of course, the Romans had gods before your God appeared.

As reported.

Where it is also a situation of the Bible simple giving it's own report of the statutus quo like a new newspaper, joining the other newspapers to give reports of events.

And the Bible is a compilation of reports which could also have come earlier than the Hammurabi and co, especially as Ur, the city Ur Nammu appropriated to himself, is also captured in the Bible and put in a position where we see that it is what we would call an early period.

But, the Bible went further back than It and Ur-Nammu, which the records also confirm that all the places and societies we call countries and states today all started with people coming together and claiming the land they see under their feet, as the Bible had reported.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/asia-and-africa/ancient-history-middle-east/ur&ved=2ahUKEwic3dT7otL6AhUSWBoKHWquDjYQFnoECCwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2fLTOPTkQWPPCJy3N5SsEm

So, you see the Bible still leads in history and Natural Law history and in man manufacturing their own law (legal) history.

Judas1X:
You mean you tried obfuscating matters with equivocations and lies. Unfortunately you were caught and called out numerous times...

Everyone sees that you are so full of shitss. that you have nothing tangible to say.

chryssanthe:
And here, ladies and gentlemen, you have the argument of: "God is good, you are evil. Stfu!". This time without any further backup. He not even tried to argue why his good is good. Just some baseless claims.

Back up is not given to things that are commonly seen and known, even if you ignore that knowledge.

chryssanthe:
As i predicted, he didnt even try to rehabilitate his gods untenable position. His approach is to tear the opponents position down, by poisoning the well. No attempt of rational discourse, just baseless claims.
How very pathetic!

As I have always said, atheists are blind and almost never see what is in front of them, especially criminal atheists

Judas1X:
An employee can choose not to work for his employer, a slave cant make such a choice.

The point is even servants are flogged and flogging is part of ordinary living.

IrepChrist:
As a Christian if you have 2 women under your roof you are still an adulterer:..

Very Clear!

But would they hear?

chryssanthe:
.. but i think many (Abrahamic) theists are fully aware of the problems with their gods morality and actions (genocide, rape, incest, death for collecting sticks on the wrong day, etc), and the impossibility to defend any of this, thus the extension from all powerful to benevolent.

And I have proven that all these allegations made are either Lies or False Representations or circumstances which any and every reasonable person understands that actions are supposed to have their corresponding consequences in accordance with Law and Just-is.

But we all know that in the eye of criminals, Law and Just is, is unfair because criminals desire a state where they commit crimes and consume the fruits of their crimes yet no one punishing them for it, which is why they hate God and speak lies and everything evil against Him.

But let a crime be done against a criminal eg steal from a thief. The world no go hear word again.

chryssanthe:
#2 Might makes right
He created everything, thus he can do what he wants, aka. "right or wrong does not matter". The base problem being the same: How to defend the indefensible? Claim it does not need to be defended at all.

When you have one day gone to the courts of the ants who have accused you of killing them because they trespassed your phone, maybe you paid damages to them there, then you can come and speak on this issue. Till then The Law states

"He who exercises his rights, does no wrong"!

chryssanthe:
...but conflate their gods absolute morality with this. "God says so" is not objective, without a reason why he says so. Dont ask me why. Probably some snake oil sales men sold it to them. But as i understand it all boils down to 1): He is right. Dont ask, period. The abrahamic religions are imho extremely authoritarian, and its no wonder

On one hand their god makes proclamation about absolute morals (thou shalt not kill) and then proceeds to commit genocide.

As I always say, you can not give an order that everyone in your house should be in your house by 10pm and that law would apply to you. Impossible

Your Law covers only those lesser than you, which is why The Law giver is always above The Law.

The Law is a servant of The Lawgiver and a Master to those it is greater than.

So, God's Laws do not apply to Him the same way the laws of your car and phone and even your children do not apply to you.

That is what we God Fearers, know!

KnownUnknown:
Tell “Just-is” to lend you the rest of $72.79, then come back and post your challenge.

You have already blown up yourself with your confession, so no $100 or $28 for you. It has now moved to the next contestant

KnownUnknown:
Of course, just like the house called world.

Just like this House called the world!

KnownUnknown:
Lastly, laws are not based on religion. Religion can of course influence laws and morality.

You have said that before and it has been rebutted and challenged and you are not able to counter, so this is no thing.

KnownUnknown:
Law is not morality because laws are judged based on their morality. It was once a “law” in parts America that people had to use different fountains, then said law was judged immoral and struck down.

do you not see that this confession has already killed you?

Law is based on morality, like a house is based on foundation. And foundations are always parts of the house.

See it! You have already destroyed your assertion with your own bomb!

KnownUnknown:
$28!!!!! Look at Mr. Deep Pockets!!

I could make it a $100 in physical American dollars but "just-is" tells me this is excessive and wrong, and that your answer would not be any different if the take is increased,

so take up the challenge or rest, that is your right.

KnownUnknown:
We are not talking about Law but morality and no one is going to argue based on your nonsensical definitions.

That is what you do not know and what you do not want to know, as is your right.

But right now, I am The Authority on this subject for I went as far as is possible to understand the distinction between them as is commonly taught and I authoritatively say to the sum of N20,000k that

Morality is Law and Law is Morality.

And that N20k is for anyone who can show and prove by lawful and valid reasonable argument if I am Wrong

Offer lasts till end of Sabbath 4:00pm

KnownUnknown:
People.

Wrong!

It is The Law.

Secondly, none of you have still not presented any people whose origin of Law is not founded on religion.

KnownUnknown:
Moral codes would be present in groups before religions were developed just like moral codes are present in groups without religion...

And which came first, (Law) Morals or people?

Secondly, none of you have still not presented any people whose origin of Law is not founded on religion.

LordReed:
LoLz! I didn't know you were a coward. Bwahahahahaha!

You estimate thyself too highly for one of the easiest things in living is to tell a devil that he is a devil.

If only you knew what that complaint means.

Hmm! God is greatly to be Feared.

His Words are so perfectly accurate.

The devil is desperate as his end truly is drawing nearer and nearer.

Let him who has an eye to see, let him see and overcome!

AuthenticKing:
You claimed our understanding of Justice and society is based on religion and that is what I don't agree with you in.
Of course, man made religion to comfort themselves after the death of a loved one, to explain things they couldn't understand and so on. But before mainstream religions, many made laws independent of religion and these are what created our understanding of Justice. Rituals predates religion and religion predates the secular, yes I agree with you but religion didn't initially have any influence on our understanding of Justice, men did.

As far as is possible to see those countries which have undisputable and defined legals, all have their legal history based on God (Religion) whether America o eh American Declaration of independence (1776) already shows you that God was in it where it said

"We hold THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT, that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, that THEY ARE ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN UNALIENABLE RIGHTS, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

English legal history started around the 1100's.

And this is where the Romans Lead for they have the oldest verifiable and settled legal history greater and better than all the countries in existence today which has its history starting as far as 449BC

So, the facts say that you are not correct.

AuthenticKing:
It hasn't. Man makes laws regardless of religion.

Deviation of post! I did not say anything about man making laws regarding religion.

AuthenticKing:
The Bible and the Bible God are very irrelevant here because they were creatures of men centuries/millennials after existing laws.

Another Departure from Post! The issue is not whether men created the Bible after existing laws. (One would say whose existing laws? But this is not the issue either)

AuthenticKing:
The bolded made me laugh How does that prove your Bible is true? Your Bible came centuries/millennials after existing laws and you're saying this proves your Bible is true.

Yes!

The fact that the Bible came after and started giving reports of past is its great value and in it, we see it showing us The Law in place, which no man made and when men began to go against The Law and fiddle with it.

AuthenticKing:
The writers of your Bible are just clever borrowers.

Or the others borrowed from them. This Truth, we would never find.

AuthenticKing:
Mtchew. You're the one who loves to change posts and insult. You'll never see yourself as someone who loves to insult others because they don't agree with you because you have 100% convinced yourself that you have the truth and others are wrong. That's dangerous.

That is the most untrue statement. There is a difference between saying something that is unpleasant and that which insults.

And I never leave the issue on record and most especially when everyone now knows that I would raise "Change of Post" when there is one, so, I know everyone is alert to my own change of post, if I ever truly change post.

Thirdly, the essence of an argument is to find out that which is Naturally True or True in Nature which we can use to live on it and not fall or get into trouble. So agreement has no place here. Just Truths! Truths we can all use gainfully and profitability.

AuthenticKing:
The old testament proves that your God is just like the men you mentioned and I don't know why you love to categorize atheists as evil people, it's indeed very wrong. The bias is overwhelming.

I disagree with those who say old/new testament. They are same testament and the Bible is One. (But this is not the issue)

Secondly, the Bible did say that God made men to be like Him, therefore, you confirm this Truth. However, we also see where men are not being like God.

And thirdly, even here, most atheists here have proven that they are evil by their ease and willingness and even pleasure in the doing of that which is evil.

This is even flowing from the fact that it is also proven beyond doubt that even ordinary people are given towards doing that which is not good even though they have some fear of retaliatory harm, which at least slows their willingness. So how can a person who does not care about his own direct harm, with the same desire for being wicked, therefore not be more evil than the regular ordinary folks?

The way they are wicked and very wicked even in here has already settled this.

AuthenticKing:
Lol. Does that prove your God made those laws?

At least, It's a very good place to Start and the issue of man making The Law has been obliterated..

So we can now start looking beyond man which is where the Bible and God have a very big lead in this consideration.