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Judas1X:
...Deceased weasel

Sweet! My words were that accurate that it completely blew open your filthy soul as you have cast away every semblance of reasonability .

Judas1X:
Actually I did. I think everyone did too..

Your people were there. And I won't go through the hell to find out the threads so I am leaving it for one of my many enemies like you to dig it up and find it for me.

DeusXmachina:
Ok, at least you're honest about this.

So, do you have a method by which you learn and arrive at what is true?

My Personal text:
By Doubting, we are led to Questioning. By Questioning, we arrive at The Truth

Yes!
The same way and process by which a just Court discovers and uncovers and pursues Truths in every matter and arrives at the Truth that is True, which when everyone hears its judgement, they shout in awe as they applaud the Court's decision and praise The Law as no reasonable person can find any fault or unfairness with that judgement.

And how did that just court arrive at the decision?

1) By Knowledge of The Natural Relevant and Applicable Laws covering the subject matter

2) By Knowledge of what things are evidence. Law of Evidence.

3) By knowledge of how evidence being given are rendered unusable as evidence of Truth because they are faulty or bad Evidence must be pure and naturally/reasonably unfaulty to be accepted as Truth. This is where The Law against bad oral evidence aka arguments (called testimony) comes in play called FALL'acy, (like Supreme-acy, immed-acy, intric-acy etc) and Law or Rebuttal or Cancellation or Silence because of inability to give a True Rebuttal evidence because there is none aka inability to counter etc, Law of change of Post/Deviation from Post etc.

All these come in what is called cross-examination.

And after all these filterations of evidence, arguments and Law, any evidence or series which stands in support of an allegation or proposition, is The Pure Truth.

Because.my Signature:
There is No Valid Argument Against The Truth!

He says
"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."
Arthur Conan Doyle

I say!
Eliminate all the eliminatables, whatever remains, no matter how unpleasant and uncomfortable the finding is, is the truth.

And this is because I love Truths even if it kills me

But unlike me, as my thread proves, people do not love Truths.

While some others only want the pleasant ones whilst they cast away and reject the unpleasant one

https://www.nairaland.com/7206212/oya-talk-true-like-truth

And unfortunately for them, they have to first go through this beast and kill it, if they like.

"The truth will set you free, BUT FIRST IT WILL MAKE YOU MISERABLE."
James A. Garfield

Steep:
In conclusion, should we be involved in ecumenical cooperation with other Christian churches and other groups of believers? If there is no doctrinal compromise

The only ecumenical instruction is "Do good and do not evil"!

LordReed:
If you know them then you thought of them.

And we know the one that can not come from a man.

LordReed:
LoLz. That's because that is the solid fact, all stories were thought of, told and written by humans.

And we know the one that can not come from a man

aisha1314:
Is atheism prohibited by law in Nigeria? Can someone be executed for being an atheist like in countries like : Afghanistan, Iran,Pakistan,Saudi Arabia, Libya, and Yemen.

Law is not the same as legal.

Legal is the rules made by humans.

Therefore, is atheism prohibited under Law? Not really.

But is it prohibited by your Nigerian men? May be in the north but in the south, I don't think so. But since men are your gods, then one of them can just wake up one day and do whatever they like. One can say prohibit and another can say unprohibit and back and forth.

Hence unstable court judgements and injustice because your life depends on what man wants and not according to Law!

But una like am like dat, so make una no dey complain say just is no dey dis kaintree and dat the judiciary is kwarupt

Na una kwarapt am.

budaatum:
Nature decides these things for helpless you and your children you seem not to want to nurture or imbue with skills. That's how you and I differ, DT.

Insult me all you want it does not change my very sweet living which Nature has led me to and brought to me fully filling all i wanted and desired from this world, up to the point where I do say, "i have a very good and sweet life" exactly as Written.

So I sing !
"Amazing grace, How sweet the words, that saved a helpless like me".

So, continue your aluta continuaness it's your food

"We each walk the path, that we've chosen" DMX and you alone consumes whatever you find there whether good or evil

LordReed:
All the stories we know were written by humans.

Now you are repeating yourself (Proof that you have nothing else to say ). And we know the one that can not come from a man

So, No Road!

LordReed:
All the things we say were thought by human minds.

And we know the things that men can never ever think of! It is impossible for them.

delkuf:
how I wish I could give you 1000 likes for this.

blushing!

Judas1X:
[b]Please link me to these verifiable evidence you provided for the existence of your god. We must have missed it, else there'd be no ..

Nope you did not miss it. Saw you on the page. (maybe then,you did not hate me as much as you do now ) They were popping up then almost as if one spirit was desperately going round telling your people to keep raising the issue. I think worckh and hardmirror raised one.

Every one saw how the threads died!

Tamaratonye even helped us in one of the threads to prove that indeed as the Bible had Prophecied, Isreal truly returned to the land God gave them.

Judas1X:
Deep down, if you are really sincere to yourself and not just defending your religion blindly, you know that your religion is no different from that of other religions in terms of how much objective evidence can be presented to support its claims. You know that the majority of the assertions made by your Holy Tales by Moonlight are in stark contrast with what science has discovered.

Deep down, you know everything you said is not True. For since 2019 when I entered, I have been presenting evidence that are admitted by Law Courts all over the world, AND NONE OF YOU COULD VALIDLY COUNTER SINCE THEN, TILL TODAY.

Your respectable members take the option of silence while the rest go into attack mode, which is what happened to you for it was when you saw that none of your people could validly counter me, as I truly insulted them (in those days when nairaland religion was insult land religion, so you resorted to insulting me.

So, you see, you did not say The Truth!

Judas1X:
Because religion is faith based, it doesn't care for facts. Its what makes a surgeon to argue with non-surgeons about surgery . That's why it makes me laugh seeing Christians trying to use science to prove gods[/b] .

It is church goers (semi anti-God) and their pastors who have misled you all because they did not understand what faith, practically means.

Faith in Christianity means "Acting on Knowledge" and not acting on a dream/hope.

So Christianity is exactly science which is to act on knowledge and information. Which is why you people have many problems with me because I always deliver the specific knowledge and you all get shocked and angry in surprise of how Christianity is the Ground.

Judas1X:
[b]Atheism is simply the lack of belief in deities. Daz all . There's no beliefs, dogmas or doctrines inherent to atheism.

You deceive yourself. You hold on to the belief of "refusal to believe in God". That is your dogma if you even know the meaning of dogma.

But, this is not the issue.

Judas1X:
[Why does it bother you that atheists are in a religion section? Discussions about religion should include any and all persons with or without religious inclinations.

See, why I say you people suffer blindnes? You did not read to see that your brother in anti-Godness wrongly technically asked us why we preach here and why we are dogmatic, hence my answer.

But I understand, sometimes your comprehension delays in arriving

DeusXmachina:
Do you believe in empiricism?

empiricism
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nounPHILOSOPHY
the theory that all knowledge is based on experience derived from the senses.

I think no!

1) Not all knowledge is acquired by experience or senses.

2) There is knowledge and then there is Truth. That is Truth in Nature or Natural Truth.

I am more interested in Truths that I can use to improve my good and sweet living than in knowing every sense and none-sense out there.

LordReed:
Sure, writing stories is well within what humans can do.

True! But we know what stories a human can write as different from those he can never ever write!

LordReed:
Exactly. There has nothing happened in history that wasn't a result of either what men thought and did or attributed to a god.

True! But we very well know all those things which which men can think of as different from the ones which no man can think to say.

LordReed:
Nope all written by men. Just a local spin on differing bits of ancient mythology which of course are the stories men told themselves to try to explain the world around them. No religious book has demonstrated any sort of capability that is beyond human capacity.

We know the difference between what men can concoct/produce FROM THOSE THINGS WHICH IT IS BEYOND THE ABILITY OF ANY MAN TO PRODUCE.

WE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!

AntiChristian:
Few days ago...
May we not go astray… Ameen...

Correction! The thread should be when a church goer questions an ex-church goer!

A person ought to know that he has gone astray after he has traveled from Lagos to Benin city and it has taken more than 10 hours of continuous driving, yet he has not reached Benin.

"We each walk the path, that we've chosen" DMX

BadRadio:
Can prayer cure sickness?

Has anyone ever been cured from a sickness by praying?

Doctors have always said it "we only treat but God does the healing,"!

AuthenticKing:
It didn't talk about them to invalidate them, that's not exactly my point. My point is that your Bible consistently declares all gods as false gods (Deuteronomy 12:30-31 is a very good example), declares all spiritual practices

The bold settles our previous argument so your complaint about the Bible declaring "other gods as false" is a different issue, which requires it's own attention with a thread of its own.

AuthenticKing:
Looking at the first and third definition, what's the difference between that and the definition I gave?

Your first definition wickedly and wrongly described it as "laid down by an authority" whereas dogma comes from satisfaction as a result of acceptance of proof of a proposition or recommendation or theory".

AuthenticKing:
I can't help but laugh. You claim I hate the Bible but do you know your problem sir? You have a deep hatred and problem with those who refuse to accept your ridiculous claims. If you can't rationally defend your claims but continuously condemn those who don't accept it, then suit yourself!

I have severally said it here again and again, THAT WITH ALL MY SOUL AND LIFE I HATE PEOPLE WHO ARE BAD, WICKED AND EVIL. And nature shows that any one who is against a good thing, proves that he is a bad and wicked person. That is what it means when people speak against Law (Morals), Equity and Just is. Which is basically what the Bible even specifically advocates for, even if it's presentation is not easily comprehensible coupled with the fact that it disagrees with the way of living that men are accustomed to.

AuthenticKing:
I won't repeat myself on this, until you guys[b] stop forcing your beliefs on us on the streets, in our houses, on motor parks, on every public place[/b], on the internet, etc.

I expected this! I have always said it here, you have a right to challenge them.

But in here in nairaland religion section by the wordings of the opening header

Religion: Share your faith and belief in God or higher powers here. Ad Rate: ₦7,589.52/week (56.6% discount)."

WE ARE FREE, TO BE FREE!

AuthenticKing:
There's no verifiable evidence for a god, even if there's a god, the Abrahamic god is highly improbable.

first, in 2019 you people use to say "no proof!

We gave undefeatable proof

In 2021 you guys changed your statement to say no verifiable evidence.

And we gave verifiable evidence and many of your people have fallen silent.

So, this is you having not gotten the memo, for we have to the Glow-ry of God settled this matter, so this issue no longer exists in here in religion section.

LordReed:
Same way my 3 year old can concoct a tale and tell me it was from god. LoLz.

True! But your 3 yr old and all men FAIL BECAUSE WE ARE OVER FAMILIAR WITH ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY CAN EVER CONCOCT OR CREATE. WE KNOW HOW MEN THINK AND MUST THINK.

SO MAN CAN NOT CONCOCT OR CREATE SOMETHING BEYOND AND OUTSIDE HIS IMAGINATION OR THINKING. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR HIM AS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A 2022 TOYOTA COROLLA TO DRAW ITSELF!

budaatum:
And how is one supposed to know what nature rightly decides if one does not do one's own research by asking questions?

Even without a child asking questions, we have many times seen in which direction Nature has set for a child eg a child who loves animals is likely to be an animal farmer or animal doctor. The child that likes to settle quarrels would naturally be a judge/lawyer etc.

And Nature decides these things.

LordReed:
And where was the god giving these views? Wait, don't tell me, I know. From a book written by other men. LoLz.

It's human beings doing human things and that's what it has always been.

we know very well human beings and all the things that they do/capable of doing and what/how they think for they have also taught us to do those same things and think in that very same pattern.

So, we all are experts in human thinkings and doings.

And here comes God and His Son, with His Thinkings as revealed to and through a selected few humans and Pow, We are now gifted a Thinking which even our professional human knowledgeable selves everywhere in the world, say they do not agree with them.

Therefore, we automatically and immediately know that even though some men wrote what is called the Bible, The Powerful Messages in them DID NOT EMANATE FROM THEM.

budaatum:
DT, when is questioning "unnatural and unnecessary"?

Can you understand if you do not question?

That is why the word "Natural" is opposite to "unnatural". Nature rightly decides these things and it is not for men to dictate and decide this this.

budaatum:
Humans are not programmed to be logical in our thinking at all. All human programming starts from when humans are born, and the programming one receives depends on those doing the programming.

In Nigeria we are actually programmed to believe what we are told without questioning, while the education system in say UK teaches one to question and critically consider things instead of just believing. And that is why UK has light, while Nigeria has NEPA.

"teaches one to question" even when sometimes questioning was unnatural and unnecessary.

Anyway
"We each walk the path, that we've chosen" DMX and whatever we collect.

IrepChrist:
You don't have to derail an obvious truth.

Kobojunkie is as Satan! He is anti-Truth.

In fact over the weekend, on this issue, I just saw another phenomenon that I have noticed before but I did not pursue it then, which is, ...

There is a way the Bible writes "wives". There is something in it.

mrZENographer:
I want to warn atheists here, God is real. The miracle healings in The Lord's Chosen Church and other true churches prove it.

ETERNAL DAMNATION IS REAL

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

They know!

They know dia own don cast finish like Esau (Hebrews 12:17), so only Fire is waiting for them.

So they are just being the children of Satan that they are to do as their father Satan has done and does, they are here fishing to catch and take as many stupid people that they can get to die with them.

As we have seen when a devil gets into trouble, he is always dragging other people to enter that same trouble with him.

LordReed:
You learnt that in other to believe in the Jewish deity you need to adopt gullibility and allow your mind to be shaped by fables so that you can readily "hear" from a god who never speaks except in your mind or "see the finger" of a god that never does anything except that which you attribute to the deity.

It's all in your mind.

No Satan!

He learnt that in other to understand God, he tabulated all his sense and intelligence on one side while placing God's own views on the other side and compared them.

And he saw for himself that men's sense and intelligence was great stupidity and destruction.

That God of Abraham, Issac and Isreal was by far too much better and greater!

So Satan no customer for you!

LordReed:
LoLz! Yeah archaeological artifacts were made by nonexistent civilisations. Bwahahahahaha!

Yeah, like my 30 yr old sand sculpist can not fabricate those things and claim archeological findings.

Yeah, they are fabrication proof.

AuthenticKing:
Then I ask you Mr DTruthSpeaker, should a new newspaper completely change the essence of an information, insert parts that could validate it (thereby invalidating those that came before it), then stealthy claim that it is the right newspaper with the right info and declaring others wrong without evidence? Being different from others does it give the newspaper the right to claim to be the only true source of information while others had it wrong without any evidence? I could go further with my questions but I'll stop here for now.

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1) The essence of information IS TO PASS INFORMATION!

Did the Bible specifically talk about Hammurabi and Ur to invalidate them?

Even at that, it is still normal to see one report controvert another eg the covid is real vs the covid is not real reports and counter reports. Normal.

2) Where did the Bible say it is the only true source of information?

This is just you fighting against Truth, as I have always said that you atheists do not like Truth. Which is why people say "Truth is bitter" as proven by your hatred for the Bible. So it is not me you are fighting against but Truth. And Truth is God!

AuthenticKing:
Hahahahaha, indeed very hilarious.

Do you know what a dogma is?

A quick Google search shows that a dogma is a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true. .

Your definition is the atheist corrupted version. The true meaning of dogma is

Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com › ...
Dogma Definition & Meaning
noun ; a · something held as an established opinion ; b · a code of such tenets ; c · a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative

Key word is "something held as established" eg Traveling in God is Good Motors" 2020 Toyota Hiace from Abuja to Lagos is a very sweet traveling experience. Therefore it is established as a good way of living in my travel. Therefore, it is a dogma of good travel. So I am okay not to consider the use of Atheist Mass Transit at all, most especially how I see how they all have accidentals and die. Impossible.

That is how it works.

AuthenticKing:
A dogma means telling the whole world that they were created by a God, not just a God but the God of the Bible.even when there's no evidence to support this claim. ...

Brothers and sisters following this thread, please judge, who is imposing dogmas on others?

As I told you, THIS IS RELIGION SECTION. A PLACE FOR US AS SHOWN BY ITS TOP HEADER

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SEE IT! "SHARE YOUR FAITH AND BELIEF IN GOD..."

So, this is a place of dogma and if you do not want God, then do not come here!

Of which we have given proof and evidence severally BUT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO THING ANY MAN CAN DO TO MAKE A PERSON WHO DOES NOT WANT TO ACCEPT EVIDENCE, TO ACCEPT IT. ABSOLUTELY NO THING.

SO IT IS NOT AN ISSUE OF NO EVIDENCE BUT THAT ATHEISM NON ACCEPTANCE OF PRO-GOD EVIDENCE!

OF WHICH WE ALL KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH OF WHY YOU PEOPLE NEVER ACCEPT IT. WHICH IS BECAUSE YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT YOU ARE GUILTY OF ALL CRIMES ALLEGED AND THAT YOU CAN NEVER QUALIFY FOR AMNESTY AND PARDON OR EVEN PAROLE.

So you guys just come to lament your disqualification and seeing that you are guilty criminals under our Laws, therefore you are here to recruit to yourselves more members so that you can feel safe by your numbers.

So it is you people who are trespassing in our land.

Olambees:
...However, one should not forget the compassionate attitude of Pilate who never wanted Jesus to be crucified in the first place. In the case of Jesus Christ, scourging was mild and no mention is given in the four Gospel account...

The soldiers' mockings already tells us that it was not mild and this is in addition to fact that Pilate was also trying to make the Jews happy, and since they hated Jesus, therefore, great pain must be given. I even think he personally thought that after they had seen that Jesus had suffered, that they would have been satisfied and left.

Any way all these is outside your insane postulation.

tctrills:
The bible clearly declared that Jesus died on the cross. Is that not enough for you?

How can the Bible be enough for an anti-Christ?