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Olasyke:
How do you know? Any evidence that points to it?

Simple! When your phone dies can it not live again?

Yes!

So the question is when it died, did it really die?

No!

Then where was it's life, when it died?

Answer: "After life"

kingxsamz:
Again, atheists are Atheists because they do not believe in a god/gods. Same way you don't believe in other fairytales. It's as simple as that. Your whole write up is a waste of time.

People who do not believe in a thing do not spend time and energy attacking that non-existent thing.

But once an atheist sees any thing God, boom, he goes nuts! violently berserk shaking and cursing and everything.

Which shows that is a person with a very very big problem with God. Like one who God don do am very strong thing!

Wilgrea7:
How will you simultaneously create a thread to describe atheists, while still getting the very definition of an atheist wrong?

isn't that what you people do when read the Bible and wrongly say rubbish things?

You atheists are very mad! When you attack us, you refuse to take correction and now you are complaining about not taking correction! Very funny.

Wilgrea7:
Nope. You've not refuted a single one of these. Not even close.

As usual, you are blind!

Wilgrea7:
When I asked you questions about whether you would carry out some of these barbaric acts in the previous thread, you were wailing and screaming "change of post" like you always do.

That is what change of post means. Stick to the issue of the debate, is the rule of debate.

Judas1X:
Peeping coward, I'm still around. Stop ducking my mentions like a cheap wh0re. You've been peeping into this thread since I quoted you this morning. ...

I know you are full soakaway of faeces and I do not deal with shits so you are just a burst soakaway who has nothing.

So I come here to see if any one said any sensible worthy of my response. And since there is none, I am free to move on to other sensible posts and threads!

Wilgrea7:
I wasn't planning on saying anything here, considering how well you've been bodied in this thread.. but this one.. i can't let slip by.

1) Your God commanded the Israelites to commit several acts of genocide.. we've been over this before

2) Your God sanctioned the capturing and keeping of virgin sex slaves in the OT

3) Your God hardened the heart of someone and punished him for his hardened heart

4) Your God rewarded a man for his willingness to kill his innocent son

5) Your God commanded people to be stoned to death simply for worshipping other gods, or not being virgins, or working on the sabbath

Your God is NOT the definition of good.

A lot of my friends know I'm an atheist. None have made any attempts to avoid me. Not everyone sees life through the myopic religious lens that you do.

I forgot to add... Your God sanctioned the merciless beating of slaves, just as long as they don't die.

Some great guy init?

I have explained all these things that God and shown severaly that all these things you say are not True. I have rebutted them all several times and NOT ONE OF YOU DEVILS COULD VALIDLY COUNTER.

I HAVE EVEN PROMISED TO PUBLICLY PRAISE ANY ONE WHO COULD VALIDLY PROVE THEIR CASE. AND NO ONE COULD!

So, all you people are doing is simply acting like lunatics in the psychiatric ward repeating what they have said before and not hearing what is going on around them.

midnight378:
Thank you again .
John 13:35 "By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
You're such a Christian . Show me where your Jesus called people "idiots'.
Hypocritical ass-hole.

I have loved you by talking to you and warning you that the way you go is not good, Exactly as The Law said I should do. After that I am free and blameless.

2. Christ called your people "snakes and vipers" when they behaved as those things.

So you have NO THING!

chryssanthe:
See and Exodus 20: 21. "Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result; but they (the slave owner) are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave in their property."

Gee wiz, that so nice for the slave. Big woop.

So if you, Dtruthspeaker*, were my slave - my property, according to Biblical laws I could cut up your arms and legs with a knife and torture you, not so badly that you would die but bad enough that you would go through a shit load of suffering. As long as you didn't die I wouldn't have to face any punished. No attempted murder charges, no assult and battery charges like we have today in our court system. ..

Now you have Changed Post from Leviticus to Exodus.

And of course you do not know that Murder/attempted murder, manslaughter, assault and battery all came from the Bible.

And they are Separate Laws attacking the evil you desire to do to me.

And Exodus 20:12-36 is The Law covering Trespass to Persons which includes Murder, man-killing aka manslaughter, assault and battery is technically Section 309 -329 of today's Criminal Code.

And on this no guilt if a person does not die within the natural lethal time of death (every knows that normally, flogging does not kill), even your legal made it worse for you devils, knowing that you people have taken wickedness to a whole new wicked level and can preserve a person's life while inflicting unending pain (Torture) says

A person is not deemed to have killed another, if the death of that other person DOES NOT TAKE PLACE
WITHIN A YEAR AND A DAY of the cause of death. Section 314 Criminal Code

So, you see, you have NO THING!

FemiAjani:
The answer is no, you are not their slave nor are you not free during those hours and no they do not possess you during those hours. Slavery is inherently oppressive.

And these people have said that you are talking rubbish.

https://www.nairaland.com/5550016/should-drop-bank-job-federal/1#84402668

sakabien:
Is better to work with federal govt than to be a slave

FemiAjani:
Have you ever been late for work? It happens all the time...

Change of Post!, I did not ask about working late

I asked

when a bank or company you work for says you should come in to work at 7:30 and you cannot leave earlier than 4 without their permission, have they not possessed you during those hours?

Are you not their slave for those hours?

Are you free during those hours?

FemiAjani:
As for slavery, it is backed by the law (be it the law of Ancient Hebrew kingdoms) or that of the empires that dominated the region. You yourself quoted verses and passages linked to the practice of slavery in the region.

And I showed that it is not slavery but Contract for work and services (Labour Law) which you do and everyone does

But shall it be a good relationship or evil relationship? That is for you wicked and evil people to decide.

Now I understand why a lot of evil things happen to you people. You all are very evil whether a master oh or a servant. You all are very evil.

Tamaratonye1:
And so approaching 800 posts the answer to the OP question "what does a god add to life that cannot be lived without" seems to converge thus: morality.

Absent god, there'd be no morality. The believer would become immoral, and would behave immorally. Set aside the fact that that's what believers already do - behave immorally - the stupendous irony is that WITH a god, their propensity to behave immorally escalates. The believer's greatest moral aspiration is to do god's will. So a believer will try to kill her own children, as commanded by god. A believer will withhold medical treatment from her own children, as directed by god. A believer will enslave others, as commanded by god. And, of course, a believer will hijack a loaded airliner and crash it into an occupied building, as commanded by god. When god's will is the goal to be attained at any cost, there is no limit to the possible destruction a believer will attempt. There is NO restraint.

To believe in religion is so mentally crippling, it makes a believer volatile, incapable of seeing how potentially dangerous he is - and that very incapacity increases the danger. It is the removal of god, not its addition, that improves life's livability.

What a most wicked and evil and incorrect statement.

No liver on God has done any wicked thing to any one here only you and your kind have.

Which is even proven by the fact that if you tell people that you are an atheists, they will immediately avoid and keep away from you as if you are a suicide bomber.

So, it is you and your fellow evil atheists who are a harmful to the world exactly as madam beater who has confessed her desire of acquiring slaves and beating them up for pleasure.

Obviously, you have no one around you to torture so you have just come here to pour your frustrations and depression and sorrow upon poor believers.

chryssanthe:
The difference between an employee who has been stiffed by his employer and a slave is that an employee can take legal action against the employer. A slave has no rights whatsoever and can seek no legal council.

You mean when the employee escapes his captivity, if he escapes it. A Slave too can also sue

And always has a right to sue as soon as he is free. It is his inalienable natural right

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2002/sep/05/usa.duncancampbell&ved=2ahUKEwjrqJn_gcX6AhWNR_EDHWQABFwQFnoECCIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw25RX_obSWsc001GqZ_Z4ol

chryssanthe:
You're right! It does not say you can "beat a servant", instead it says you can "beat their male or female SLAVE"...."

Every one sees that the beginning says "And if a man beats". But I guess devil's are not capable of seeing whole sentences.

midnight378:
Then it's a crime, but it's not slavery. The employee can walk out any time he/she wants.

Finally. And The Law is against crimes and condemns it

midnight378:
You need to look up the word "legal", and learn how to use it correctly in English.

Knock yourself out
https://www.nairaland.com/7019584/lawyers-every-body-not-deceit

midnight378:
Thank you for the Christian response. So Christ-like . Jesus must really love you, speaking that way to his children,
and you claiming to be a steadfast Christian . Such a saint you are.

LMAO

If you behave as an idiot then I have the right to tell you that you are an idiot!

chryssanthe:
The definition of legal is that which is related to law. If something is a legal matter is is something related to law. If you understand the law then you understand what is legal. They are interrelated!

This STILL doesn't help make your Bible moral. It's full of horrific ethnic genocide!

See it here! I have even called on lawyers to come and prove me wrong but no one can validly challenge it.

chryssanthe:
The definition of legal is that which is related to law. If something is a legal matter is is something related to law. If you understand the law then you understand what is legal. They are interrelated!

This STILL doesn't help make your Bible moral. It's full of horrific ethnic genocide!

The word is "related"!

And as they taught us "a relation is not you".

Your father is related to you but NNPC or banks would never give your father your salary even if he brings your baby pictures.

Same with Law and legal.

https://www.nairaland.com/7019584/lawyers-every-body-not-deceit

midnight378:
No dumbo.
You agreed to "work" for those hours when YOU agreed to work there.
Your analogy is false .

Do you not see that your answer is opposing?

You say "no"

And yet you say "they agreed" which means yes

I think you have run out of your reasonabilty quota of the day. Let the person I asked the question come and answer.

midnight378:
what you say is 110 % false....

These people in career section pray that you will replace them

https://www.nairaland.com/7220920/give-me-job-collect-three#114599306

https://www.nairaland.com/6796546/diary-cheap-labourer-daily-bread#106636628

chryssanthe:
Employment: The state of being paid for your work. You are free to leave and seek other employment

And when an employer deprives an employee his salary and rather raises up guards to prevent the employee from freely leaving, has slavery not commenced, evil one?

chryssanthe:
The Bible says I could beat you nearly to death without any consequences.

And miss Satan, the Bible said "and if a man best"

It did not say "beat a servant" but of course evils like you see it this way after all it is you devils who do it.

FemiAjani:
Contractual work in a free market isn't
possessing someone. It's possessing the fruit of their work not their person.

Sorry sir, when a bank or company you work for says you should come in to work at 7:30 and you cannot leave earlier than 4 without their permission, have they not possessed you during those hours?

Are you not their slave for those hours?

Are you free during those hours?

FemiAjani:
A slave isn't just a person working for another one. It's also a distinct legal
status. A slave cannot break the bond that links them to their master,..

Slavery is not backed by Law for every person has his inherent natural rights. And a right to obtain work is not a right to submit to slavery.

It is wicked people who turn employees (servants) to slave, which is why where you find slavery you must find oppression because the slave must be held in by duress.

And where you find duress, you find would find The Law is breached.

Which is why in the bank an employee always has the option of resigning if he finds his working condition oppressive.

chryssanthe:
Yes, and it wasnt even part of the Roman law. Its just a modern concept, cloaked in Latin, the language of law and medicine.
But why would Dtruthspeaker know any of that?
He is dumb as a pole, and a liar.

Says idiots who never knew the difference between legal and law and that legal is not Law.

midnight378:
Snort.
He thinks if he says it in Latin, then he's all special.
LMAO.

midnight378:
LOL

i love it when the Jesus freaks give up on debate and just start their preaching bullshit.

Meaning! You have nothing to say.

1000WaysToLive:
...Is the source of morality what some subject says, what some society says,

Or facts about a matter under consideration?

What do you think?...

Where there is Law (Morality) then there is The Lawmaker.

The Law can not make itself!

midnight378:
The dates also prove you were WRONG about Roman laws being first.
LMAO
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Rubbish. I was not making a case on the Romans being first but I understand, you are trying to console yourself.

1000WaysToLive:
-In answer to your question, you'd have to be more specific. There are lots of laws, not all of them are good laws, so, conceivably a law being applied to me could go either way.

I laid ONLY ONE LAW for you to determine whether it is good or evil to you, to wit "Pay for services rendered/work done".

so do you think good that your boss or customer should not pay you for work done?

chryssanthe:
Stop bullshitting. I am an atheist. I have no bible.

Immaterial! As long as you are raising the issue from a publicly known document generally called the Bible which has both the good and bad one.

chryssanthe:
So we are finished, you deny what the bible clearly and plainly states:

I deny what you and your bible said

chryssanthe:
That you can own another human being as property, and pass it down to your children.
You are a liar. Your god doesnt like liars!
Want to post your beloved KJV rules for slavery? ...you know the part where it says how "they shall be your possession" or "be your bondmen forever"?

Every one of us have a house where a certain houseboy/housegirl has been serving the owner of the house and his family and even the children of the servant continue in it. And all visitors thought that they were family members for they were treated very well, as God Commanded

So, nothing here.

chryssanthe:
Have you even read your BS KJV bible? Or maybe Exodus 21, where is explains in painful detail how to enslave your fellow Hebrews, forever!?

Because you atheist are void of good (morals) you can not see good. Which is why you do not see that Exodus 21 is the same normal contract of domestic service we all have today. A houseboy comes in alone and goes out alone. If he marries in the house, then he and his wife go out etc

But as you people are void of morals, you can not see this is the very we all do, whether the Bible said so or not!

chryssanthe:
Ah, now its not slavery, its a "labor relationship".

From the beginning I did say Labour Law.

chryssanthe:
Want to be my "employee", so i can beat the shit out of you and pass you down to my children, as condoned by your bible!?

See your evil mind? Isn't this devil speaking? Do we not say atheists are evil?

chryssanthe:
I call owning a human being as property immoral
You dont!

And yet you willingly offer yourself up to be possessed by another person like a property everyday even joyfully too eg by offering yourself to slave for NNPC, Chevron, Davido's house etc, never thinking for a microsecond that this was immoral.

Do you see now that your morality button does not work?

1000WaysToLive:
Agreed at bolded..but how do you, or we, know which laws are the good laws?

Simple!

If The Law was applied to you, would you call it good!

Eg The Law on Contracts says all agreements must be upheld (pacta sunt servanda), so do you think good that your boss or customer should not pay you for work done?

1000WaysToLive:
That's what you think it -should- be.....but...you may not be quite as ethnocentric in your pronouncements as those authors were.

Let's explore that. Why do you think it should be your interpretation of that verse, rather than sociopolitical reality of that verse, or some possibility where god itself said it and meant it in explicitly ethnocentric terms?

Because, since God is Good, then that is His interpretation!

1000WaysToLive:
Why, further down, should we not oppress each other -or- anyone else? Is there something wrong with oppressing people, any people? What?

That is why I love Christ's Answer. If you think it is good to be oppressed, then oppress.

But know this, when thou art oppressed, ye have no right to remedy, for thou didst agree to the law of oppression.

chryssanthe:
The following is a partial list taken from Wikipedia's list of ancient legal codes in chronological order:..

As long as they have dates, it proves my case that men created legal.

And I simply stood on the Roman line because they are oldest in today's present legal world. The others are lost and become stories.

midnight378:
Goodness !
And here I thought you people believed in redemption and salvation.

LOL

Only in mine! You all can go wherever you want.. if you can get there.

midnight378:
Wrong.
If he even "permitted it" (and being an almighty god),

Making another allegation is not a valid response.

midnight378:
BTW, your English is very poor.
You don't know how to use a grammar checker ?
(And someone here said you are a lawyer )

Ad hominem!

midnight378:
unfortunately for you , the Greek word "δοῦλοι" is here and most other places in the New Testament translated as "slave" or at least "bondservant" .

The Jews did not speak Greek.

midnight378:
After you get a real education, you might have some credibility . You have none now . since you are mostly ignorant of Biblical things, you don't know that there are three times the word is translated as "slave", ..

fallacy ad hominem and Change of Post! Off point.

midnight378:
"Ephesians 6:5 reads,
“Slaves, obey your earthly masters ..

Correction
Ephesians 6:5
Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;.

midnight378:
Colossians 3:22 reads,
“Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything;

Colossians 3:22 reads
Servants, obey in all things your masters accord...

midnight378:
1 Peter 2:18 reads,
“Slaves, in reverent fear of God...

1 Peter 2:18 reads
Servants, be subject to your masters

midnight378:
I forgot nothing . Too bad you forgot that YOU MADE IT AN OLD age debate by making the claim that the first laws were made in Roman law.

And you came to say that there was another place with another older date, thus proving my point that on a certain day men woke up and created legal.

midnight378:
I called on you to do no such thing . You're lying .

Denying your own words now that you have run out ground, eh? See you below

midnight378:
...Oh . all assertions and no evidence. ..

Prove it.
You're not very good at this. Is this your first debate ?
No more unsupported assertions (claims) from you without evidence.
You are dismissed unless you support what you claim with evidence or support . Do you even know what that means ?

Gotcha!

midnight378:
It's "the Roman legal system" not "Roman legal", (when you take English...

Change of Post/ Off point.

midnight378:
this is not a sentence in the English language . It means nothing, and is not referenced.

The Romans do not speak English language as their major language but I understand, this is you confessing that you know nothing on law, as I impliedly told you in the beginning.