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Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by Dtruthspeaker: 6:26pm On Oct 07, 2022

AuthenticKing:
It hasn't. Man makes laws regardless of religion.

Deviation of post! I did not say anything about man making laws regarding religion.

AuthenticKing:
The Bible and the Bible God are very irrelevant here because they were creatures of men centuries/millennials after existing laws.

Another Departure from Post! The issue is not whether men created the Bible after existing laws. (One would say whose existing laws? But this is not the issue either)

Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by Dtruthspeaker: 6:18pm On Oct 07, 2022

AuthenticKing:
The bolded made me laugh How does that prove your Bible is true? Your Bible came centuries/millennials after existing laws and you're saying this proves your Bible is true.

Yes!

The fact that the Bible came after and started giving reports of past is its great value and in it, we see it showing us The Law in place, which no man made and when men began to go against The Law and fiddle with it.

AuthenticKing:
The writers of your Bible are just clever borrowers.

Or the others borrowed from them. This Truth, we would never find.

AuthenticKing:
Mtchew. You're the one who loves to change posts and insult. You'll never see yourself as someone who loves to insult others because they don't agree with you because you have 100% convinced yourself that you have the truth and others are wrong. That's dangerous.

That is the most untrue statement. There is a difference between saying something that is unpleasant and that which insults.

And I never leave the issue on record and most especially when everyone now knows that I would raise "Change of Post" when there is one, so, I know everyone is alert to my own change of post, if I ever truly change post.

Thirdly, the essence of an argument is to find out that which is Naturally True or True in Nature which we can use to live on it and not fall or get into trouble. So agreement has no place here. Just Truths! Truths we can all use gainfully and profitability.

AuthenticKing:
The old testament proves that your God is just like the men you mentioned and I don't know why you love to categorize atheists as evil people, it's indeed very wrong. The bias is overwhelming.

I disagree with those who say old/new testament. They are same testament and the Bible is One. (But this is not the issue)

Secondly, the Bible did say that God made men to be like Him, therefore, you confirm this Truth. However, we also see where men are not being like God.

And thirdly, even here, most atheists here have proven that they are evil by their ease and willingness and even pleasure in the doing of that which is evil.

This is even flowing from the fact that it is also proven beyond doubt that even ordinary people are given towards doing that which is not good even though they have some fear of retaliatory harm, which at least slows their willingness. So how can a person who does not care about his own direct harm, with the same desire for being wicked, therefore not be more evil than the regular ordinary folks?

The way they are wicked and very wicked even in here has already settled this.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by Dtruthspeaker: 4:31pm On Oct 07, 2022

AuthenticKing:
Lol. Does that prove your God made those laws?

At least, It's a very good place to Start and the issue of man making The Law has been obliterated..

So we can now start looking beyond man which is where the Bible and God have a very big lead in this consideration.

Family › Re: How Many Types Of Marriage Are Legal In Nigeria? Is Yours Legal? by Dtruthspeaker: 11:49am On Oct 07, 2022

ejimatic:
. Sir what I said is TM does not require documentation although some do it.On the other hand ST requires papers / documentation to make the process complete 2 If a person aporoches me and claims he is married traditionally . If I see pics I will belive him but embassies will not belive him until they see a document on the Martiage. ..

Wrong!
You are supposed to believe them in the absence of any reasonable ground for disbelieving such a fact. That is what The Natural Law of Evidence Said and even your legal evidence act also said so.

Embassies are just exercising their Natural Right of doing shakara since it is their nature given territory which they have naturally been taking care of which a visitor/migrator wishes to enter.

So they have a right to scrutinize your entry since people are known to be wicked and evil, therefore they can place stumbling blocks in a migrant's way.

But they also have the right to grant you entry to their land even without any document, as you have seen them do.

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Family › Re: How Many Types Of Marriage Are Legal In Nigeria? Is Yours Legal? by Dtruthspeaker: 11:19am On Oct 07, 2022

ejimatic:
I respect everybody opinion on marriage but the truth is statutory marriage is tecious: You file notice with money after 21 days you can go ahead with the wedding. You look for witnesses and all the related activities. Somebody who takes a woman home without any rituals may be happy with it.However certificates are presented at the embassies not natural laws. In order to on a safer side that is why many people combine traditional marriage with the statutory marriage!

And I tell the Judge that is unfortunate to hear my cases that "he is a court of Law and not a court of Statute. That he is ruled by Natural Law and not by legal (statute) which states that he must apply the doctrines of equity, good conscience and my sweetest part NATURAL JUST IS".

IT IS NATURAL JUSTICE THAT CREATED THE CONCEPT CALLED COURTS AND NOT STATUTE"

So, I do verily say that the pronouncements in the Statutes are merely territorial advisories. AND THEY ARE NOT LAW and therefore worthy of being discountenanced and even disregarded!

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Family › Re: How Many Types Of Marriage Are Legal In Nigeria? Is Yours Legal? by Dtruthspeaker: 11:03am On Oct 07, 2022*

ejimatic:
. Your argument on nature is excellent. However we should give to Ceaser what belongs to Ceaser. That is the reason why our marriage must conform to the Law of the land. It may be tedious but it is in the interest of all parties at the end.Thank you for your good arguement.

1) What is Ceaser's?

Does Ceasesr even own himself?

Therefore, what are Ceaser's? NO THING

Land Law already taught you "Whoever owns the land, owns everything on it, down the deepest parts of it and up to the highest heavens".

And Ceaser, does not own The Land!

The Land rather is owned by the Creator of it, Whom we call God. And He has not given any man or Ceasar any Bill or Deed of Assignment or Transfer of it.

So The Title and Law of this Land called earth still resides in The Owner and Creator of it, which is seen via Nature's Law aka Natural Law!
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2) "It may be tedious". This was the word that set me off to discover these Truths.

"It may be tedious". If it is tedious, then why are we trying to do "just is" aka justice if it was created to be tedious and hard and to bring suffering?

Who may it tedious?

Was The Law made tedious?

And this is where I found The Answer that "No! The First Law, Natural Law, God Made was very very beautiful and very sweet and very good and absolutely Just. Which is why it is Natural Law which bears the statement "The Law does No Wrong/The Law can do No Wrong" in line with the Statement of Law which says that "The Law forbids that a wrong should be done" which gave birth to Ubi jus ibi remedum.

But this is not so for legal as that statement "It may be tedious" has confessed. Which is why that statement "the law may not be fair but it is the law" IS A VERY BIG LIE!

THE CORRECT STATEMENT "IS LEGAL (THE LAW MEN CREATED) IS NOT FAIR AND IT IS NOT THE LAW!

THE TRUE LAW AND THE LAWFUL LAW (NATURAL LAW) WAS AND IS ALWAYS FAIR AND JUST.

Funny how they claim Natural Rights over and above legal rights but have hidden the Truth that Natural Law is over and above their quashable and discard able legal things.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by Dtruthspeaker: 8:37am On Oct 07, 2022*

AuthenticKing:
Lolz. Even though the Babylonians and even the king himself was religious, he didn't base his laws on the religions of the time. Let me take you back in time again, have you heard of the code of Ur-Narmu too, the laws there seem to be similar to that in the Hammurabi code and Ur-Narmu himself didn't base these laws on any god or any religious figure and it's quite probable that Hammurabi himself copied some of Ur-Narmu's laws....

And I always ask was there no Law before Hammurabi and Ur-Narmu made their laws?

Was Morality not already there waiting for them before they came and manufactured their legal?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by Dtruthspeaker: 8:12am On Oct 07, 2022

tctrills:
You don't seem to get it do you? My point remains that religious laws predates our conventional laws.
Today even though must people are religious, we don't base our laws on religion.
But at the bedrock of all human law and understanding of justice, and society is religion.
It is impossible to see a civilization that had no religion.

Thank you for telling them these Truths, which is what I have been saying since but they do not want to hear, most especially because knowing this just proves that the Bible is Right and True.

And one thing they do not want in this life, is for the Bible to be proven True. Which is why they see that the Bible is being proven True, they would scatter the argument with Change of Posts and Insults.

Whereas, it is obvious that conventional laws called legal is men playing God and usurping His Rule and intermeddling with with His Laws so that they could control all other men instead of God controling all of us as it was in the beginning.

Daniel 7:25
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws

And now people are completely deceived and have almost completely submitted to the absolute control of their fellow men, (imagine, it is a man like you, who can bleed and die, who controls you and tells you shall do and what you shall not do.) like chickens in a cage in the market.

Meanwhile he would not allow you control him as politicians have proven eg Buhari, Putin, bandits, murderers, unknown gunmen, atheists etc

And it is from that cage that these deceived people foolishly speak from.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by Dtruthspeaker: 7:40am On Oct 07, 2022

Wilgrea7:
Can you kindly show me where I said both can be correct? If it were someone else now, you'd be foaming at the mouth calling the person a lying snake and whatnot.

Deny that this is not yours?

Wilgrea7:
...Which one of these 2 is objectively right then? If we accept that objective morality exists, then one of these must be wrong. Maybe even both.

Family › Re: How Many Types Of Marriage Are Legal In Nigeria? Is Yours Legal? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:21am On Oct 07, 2022

ejimatic:
. The legal provision on traditional marriage does not include its registration at the local government.However some people still do it for personal reason.

Marriage is older than man and it took place long before men started playing God by directing and instructiing, how they (men) think that a marriage should be done or not be done or what is marriage and what is not marriage, hence the creation of legal!

Legal means men playing God by making laws (man made laws)

Meanwhile it is not men who gave themselves The Law that they can marry neither do they have the jurisdiction to set marriages. All these, has already been covered by Natural Law!

Therefore, men truly do not have any jurisdiction to have made these legals as Natural Law had taken care of all the issues.

And Natural Law has said that a Marriage occurs when 2 adults, wilfully choose each other to act as a single unit with that unity being exhibited to the whole world that they are one.

Once this is done, then marriage is validly presumed which on the further verbal confirmation of the joined parties can be justly acted upon, any where in the world.

It is because legal and injustice has come which is now even causing and creating even more problems, whereas Natural Law and Justice had crushed all wrong doings.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by Dtruthspeaker: 6:52pm On Oct 06, 2022

TenQ:
If God made everything for His own purpose, then His ways are above our ways AND He is absolute with WHATEVER He does with His creations!

This is an inescapable truth!

Fela Anikulapo was said to have bought a brand new Mercedes Benz, cut it and used it to pack goods like a pickup! Then, Benz was seen as the car of the wealthy and a status symbol.
Has Fela Broken any rule?

Does it matter if EVERYONE in the world object to how Fela has mistreated "a Mercedes Benz"?

He is not here for Truths. He is just here for an unending argument (unless you agree with him) to blaspheme The Lord as prophecied!

So this serves no purpose.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by Dtruthspeaker: 6:37pm On Oct 06, 2022

Wilgrea7:
Person A believes in a God that wants humans to love each other. For person A, kindness to others is good, and wickedness is bad.

Person B believes in a God that loves violence. Person B's God says that kindness is a sin, while wickedness is good

Which one of these 2 is objectively right then? If we accept that objective morality exists, then one of these must be wrong. Maybe even both.

How can both be correct?

How can one Commander say "go" and the same 'say" come?

Is "go", come?

Or is "come", go?

Only One can Rule, which is why we say 2 elephants are fighting,

Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Slowly Becoming an agnostic! by Dtruthspeaker: 12:48pm On Oct 06, 2022

Ajay7411:
I only have one question, have you ever met this "Devil" before? I mean aside from all the teachings you've gotten.

Yep!

There are many devils here eg Lortreed, Tamaratonye, judasix, kobojunkie, chryssanthe, and many high quality atheists.

And You!

Your own devil is about to be "download complete, devil Ajayi is now ready".

Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Slowly Becoming an agnostic! by Dtruthspeaker: 12:39pm On Oct 06, 2022

Asgard73:
Is a free will..
enjoy..

Thank you.. God will always reward his faithfuls

It’s good to serve God

That is A Certainty Brother. grin

And He also gives the evildoers, their own rewards. Which is double and triple portion of the evil they have been doing. grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Slowly Becoming an agnostic! by Dtruthspeaker: 12:36pm On Oct 06, 2022

Ajay7411:
I still believe in God btw. But I'm irreligious and that won't change...

You don't believe in God, but don't worry, soon you would soon real eyes that God DOES NOT WANT YOU, THE SAME WAY HE REJECTED ALL WHO HAVE NOW DECLARED THEMSELVES ATHEIST! grin

WE KNOW ATHEISM MEANS "THOSE REJECTED BY GOD"! grin

Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Slowly Becoming an agnostic! by Dtruthspeaker: 12:28pm On Oct 06, 2022

Asgard73:
He’s a god to himself

An atheist that believe in evil .. but not God

Hence why they don't want God above them.

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Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Slowly Becoming an agnostic! by Dtruthspeaker: 12:23pm On Oct 06, 2022

Ajay7411:
You are wrong!

Avoiding evil isn't Christianity.

In fact, Christians have always committed evil when you look closely.

Christians are vile and cunning!

Church goers not Christians. The disciples of Christ after the Pentecost, Daniel, Job and Noah did no evil thing.

And they are the standard of Christianity.

So you Lie and Falsely Accuse an innocent.

And now that you have lied and falsely accused, you have done evil in breaking of your Law of avoiding evil.

Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Slowly Becoming an agnostic! by Dtruthspeaker: 12:17pm On Oct 06, 2022

Ajay7411:
I received peace when I stopped going to church bro.

True, so that at least you know where your eviis would be coming from.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Threre Anything Like "Afterlife" by Dtruthspeaker: 12:14pm On Oct 06, 2022

Ajay7411:
Just stop bro, this isn't funny anymore

This is why I'm slowly turning away from the lies!

Why do you hate Truths, yet you fear the Power of Helplessness and loss of control over your life just like your phone?

If you did not create yourself, like your phone did not create itself, then it means just like your phone, you are powernone against your Creator, whether you like it or not!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by Dtruthspeaker: 12:04pm On Oct 06, 2022

Wilgrea7:
...I'm still waiting for the proof that your God's moral laws are indeed objective and not subjective.

I have already answered this by telling you, you answered it.

Wilgrea7:
1)

Now, on to my example. This was given to me by a brilliant Christian here, by the name of TenQ. He made reference to a toilet owner, and the germs of a toilet.

If I, the toilet owner, decides to disinfect my toilet, I will be killing millions of bacteria. To me, disinfecting my toilet is good. To the bacteria, it is clearly bad.

But assuming I'm the arbiter of good and evil, my moral standards trump that of the bacteria.

I believe this bold has cleared it up. For, for a law to be The Law, it must trump, surpass crush and prevail over and above all other things.

And since you are the custodian of what is good and evil, it is subjective to you, the one who prevails.

It's as simple as that!

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So you see, it's done. I told you that I had taken the object so the shadows must follow.

Wilgrea7:
If we consider the existence of a God as the source of morality, what humans consider as right or wrong is irrelevant, just as the opinions of the bacteria in the toilet are irrelevant...

The word is "Only as relevant as is allowed or disallowed by God.

Which is why we have the concept of Appeals, High Powers, Confirmation and Affirmation of Judgement and Quashing of Judgement in this world.

Which is why you are the god (arbiter of good and evil) over the germs in your toilet, therefore it is your judgement that is supreme and only the germs you want to keep, shall be kept while the rest shall wiped away according to your will.

But I real-eyes that I am speaking from this world which belongs to God, therefore, I can understand if things are different in your supaghetti world.

Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Slowly Becoming an agnostic! by Dtruthspeaker: 9:28am On Oct 06, 2022

Ajay7411:
That's one reason why I stopped. Christians are hypocrites!

Church goers are hypocrites not Christians. And many Christians do not go to Church!

I have not been to church for the same 4 years, but I have Loved The Lord More and More And we talk almost everyday.

So I dropped church and all their hypocrites and snakes and liars and fornicators and husband stealers and wife stealers and plotters of evil away from my life and my house.

I hate seeing them and I pray that their calamity shall burn them up.

Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Slowly Becoming an agnostic! by Dtruthspeaker: 9:24am On Oct 06, 2022

Mrkumareze:
Religion lost its value long ago. Just be good, love yourself and neighbours. Avoid evil things

Avoiding the doing of evil is the religion called Christianity. O wait a minute, avoiding evil according to Who/who?

Are you the who?
If yes,then you have a religion that is not Christianity.

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Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Slowly Becoming an agnostic! by Dtruthspeaker: 9:18am On Oct 06, 2022

All the church goers are beginning to real-eyes that they were never Christians. grin

Who is the next to fall? grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: I'm Slowly Becoming an agnostic! by Dtruthspeaker: 9:16am On Oct 06, 2022

fman:
That's ya business!!

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Threre Anything Like "Afterlife" by Dtruthspeaker: 9:14am On Oct 06, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
God never said He will torture anyone so it's either they live or die no more no less!

Kill yourself with self deceit and it is you who will suffer it for He Said this.

46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”. Mathew 25:46

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil," Romans 2:6- 9

So deceive yourself and die to live in eternal torment!

Christianity Etc › Re: Is the Dtruthspeaker, Right About This Post? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:04am On Oct 06, 2022

chieveboy:
...If they have myopia enshrined in your conclusion.

Its a school. Only experienced people even by human standards and way of doing things are taken serious.

It's the story of going for the village girl ignoring the so-called city girl, only for the village 'good girl' to turn up worse. Truth is so simple that it sounds stupid to be simple most times.

You were talking about investment in the prodigal son now you have moved to village girl/city girl? grin

Ọ́dabọ!

Christianity Etc › Re: Is the Dtruthspeaker, Right About This Post? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:00am On Oct 06, 2022

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! Such a miserable fellow.

And if I am Satan's avatar why are you so powerless to stop me? LMFAO!

Why would I do such a foolish thing, when you are a key player in The Plan? So do what you gas to do, Satan grin

Christianity Etc › Re: The Existence Of A God Does NOT Solve The Moral Dilemma by Dtruthspeaker: 3:19am On Oct 06, 2022

Wilgrea7:
Where is it written or stated that we are ordered to boil corn, yam and rice? Or are you trying to make a case for morality outside your book of fairy tales?

"29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat". Gen 1:29 eg Corn/Rice

Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. Gen 9:3 eg Chicken, Goat.

Wilgrea7:
..If you're asking of "objective" moral laws in respect to humans.. there are several that are obvious.

Murder of innocent people... R@pe.... Slavery.. all objectively wrong.

Then you have agreed with us for I have always told you that All Morals was Set and Laid by God in all the earth. That there is no place on earth where stealing or adultery is allowed.

And In spite of you people's attempt at saying that God commanded rape and slavery, I have proved beyond reasonable doubt that He did not, as evident by you people's change of posts and departure from post and at attempt at insulting me so that I would be angry and leave the issue, all of which did not work.

So take it or leave it. God had already set what you call objective Morals and it is your freewill to either obey or disobey exactly as your boss telling you come to work on Sunday.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Found This Today. Why Is This So? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:43am On Oct 06, 2022

Hismasterpiece:
..
My question is this: Why do people still ignore this warning and smoke? And why do cigarette companies still, with this knowledge sell cigarettes?

Because they love death!

Christianity Etc › Re: Is the Dtruthspeaker, Right About This Post? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:40am On Oct 06, 2022

chieveboy:
Someone I deem wiser said he will rather trust the prodigal son with his estate than the 'good boy' who has no experience or learnt no lessons...

Then your wise guy is wise at getting people impoverished.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is Threre Anything Like "Afterlife" by Dtruthspeaker: 2:28am On Oct 06, 2022

MaxInDHouse:
So it's either they continue living if they obey or return to dust for disobedience {Genesis 3:19} nothing like suffering after death because death is the wages of sin! Romans 6:23

Now your Serpent has returned into you making you forget that you started this issue from the point were they have already died.

But as I have always said, because you fear lake of fire, you choose to deceive yourself.

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