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LordReed:
LoLz! Congratulations! You discovered that things wear out faster with misuse. Clap for yourself!

Always doing the evil!

MaxInDHouse:
Well according to the scriptures God doesn't appreciate the sight of people suffering based on what He created..

It is True that God does not want people to suffer evil, and He took every step that He could possibly take to ensure that people do get saved from evil.

Yet these same people have nullified all His attempts to save them as expressed in Isaiah 5:1-7

Therefore He has no choice but to proceed with His Law of rendering to each person their due,

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil," Romans 2:6- 9

HedwigesMaduro:
Jesus used sensible and logical analogies (parables) to declare the truth of God. Not cooked-up stuff only fit to come from a kindergarten level kid. You didn't declare any truth in your post. You tried to muddle up the truth more like.

If my presentation is kindergarten it is because you children are truly kindergarten. I understood Christ's teachings and comprehended them and they have been o so sweet and very profitable to me.

But I see you all are still struggling with it even to your own suicide. So I think breaking them into simple kindergarten things should help you understand those great Words of Life!

But if you still do not understand or refuse to understand, then there is nothing I can do and my work is done!.

It is after all not compulsory that you understand most especially as understanding actually comes from The Lord and not from me.

MaxInDHouse:
So in a nutshell it's the living that knows about feelings of different kinds but the dead knows nothing, shey? Ecclesiastes 9:5-10
Well that's exactly what i'm saying!

And the re-living also that is those who have died and are re-lifed (resurrected). They too shall feel again whether great pain or great joy.

Which is what I am saying.

MaxInDHouse:
Oh so the DEAD can't feel anything just as God's word says, right?
Well that's what i'm saying, until resurrection from the dead those dead feels nothing in their graves!

And after life on earth does not stop at dead alone but it continues into resurrection where some shall be resurrected and sent to the room of everlasting torment and others to the room of everlasting joy.

budaatum:
Did Adam and Eve die when they ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

Humpty: Yay! I am going to great grandfather Adam's house on Saturday.

Stumpty: humpty he's dead and his house was also washed away in the flood.

HedwigesMaduro:
It seems you've not been reading the guy's posts. Just one of the numerous funny "logic" from his repertoire. By the way, I believe in the afterlife as stated in the Bible, but braindead ramblings from the guy will actually make it sound dubious.

Exactly what was said about John, the Baptist and Jeremiah and other prophets who declared The Truths of God.

It is a known fact that people prefer Lies over Truths and therefore, they will always speak against it.

MaxInDHouse:
For the highlighted, scriptures please!

You know them for I have said them before

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

And other scriptures.

hopefulLandlord:
...Do you not believe in Zeus because you're actually rebelling against him? How about Odin, Thor or Krishna? Like most people, you don't believe in these gods because you aren't convinced they are real,..

And no normal person even stops to argue against them at all. Not even if we are dashed data.

But not so with you supposed atheists you all just must show yourselves even proven here.

You do not even know that it is highly abnormal!

MaxInDHouse:
The point here is the dead feels nothing!

Until they are directed to go into the next stage from there where they shall once again feel either great joy or great pain depending on which room that they are sent to.

And all these places are still part of after life on earth.

Carcholce:
Jesus was actually under the universal laws which automatically translates to Grace. Grace can find you only when you recognize these laws.

If you live under the laws of an authority, you’ll hold the key to salvation. The only authority Jesus recognized is the word of God., the word of God is grace.

I don’t know if I am making sense but I can see everything I am saying.

As long as you recognise that God's Law Rules and that it is wise to Follow The Law.

"He that Keepeth The Law happy is he" Proverbs 29:18

And he shall find Life and health.

Proverbs 4:20 -22 (Don Moen song)
My son give attention to my words (Oh yes)
Incline your ear to my sayings
Do not (Do not) let them depart from your eyes
Keep them in the midst of your heart (Heart)

For they are life to those who find them
And health to all their flesh
For they are life to those who find them
And health to all their flesh

Satanists/atheists do not plan on giving any excuse.

They have already told God to His Worst. So these ones do not have any.

Church goers on the hand plan on telling God that they tried only that it was very hard obeying Him. They intend to God "understand now, it was the flesh that moved me to fornicate with sister Catherine and adulteryate with Mrs Okafor.

I just shake my head at their great folly. Dem go shock scatter.

MaxInDHouse:
..For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6...

And this verse already tells that the dead are in a Waiting Room aka After Life. Which means "after life on earth!

Waiting for the next place that they shall be directed to go. Some to paradise and others to lake of Fire!

I know this bursts your wishes and you no go gree, so I do not intend saying any more than these. After all when we die, we shall all see, first hand, whatever is there.

hopefulLandlord:
Oblivion

You wish!

All because this part is out of your control and you can not bear to accept that it is actually beyond your control because you would go insane with the pain of knowing that, God is real and that He is the one who controls you into going anywhere He wishes to send you to.

And since He said that He shall send people like you to hell fire, you are very much pained by this outcome, MOST ESPECIALLY AS YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT IT IS NOT WITHIN YOUR CONTROL AND YOU CAN DO NOTHING ABOUT IT ALL.

JUST THE SAME WAY YOU COULD NOT CONTROL YOUR BIRTH AND WOULD HAVE CHOSEN TO BE BORN IN AMERICA AND IF NOT AMERICA AT LEAST IN DANGOTE OR BOLA TINUBU'S HOUSE, INSTEAD OF YOUR HOUSE BUT YOU COULD NOT CONTROL THAT ONE.

SO IF YOU COULD NOT CONTROL TE DESTINATION OF YOUR BIRTH, YOU CAN NOT CONTROL THE DESTINATION OF YOUR DEATH!

And i know you already know all this, but you are just trying give your self some peace since you already know that you are going to a very very evil place that you would wish that you never went to at all however you could not stop your going there.

So this is just trying to manage your death by lying to yourself before it comes!

Wilgrea7:
2) ...how the word "objective" works.

I don't think you know what objective standard is else you would not have made this post, but you act as if you do, so, What is an objective standard? Give examples for clarity

KnownUnknown:
There is no moral dilemma. Morality is founded on the objective or goal of human welfare...

What is the objective goal of human welfare?

hopefulLandlord:
this is great Wilgrea7. I wonder how you cope with this guy you keep debating though. I tend to skip his posts on threads. The FSM is your strength

Because I burst your the lying world you create around yourself so as to cope with your pain filled real-eye-ity.

Wilgrea7:
If you're going to address my arguments, address all of it.
You dodged the question at the end.

I did not bother with all the other questions because when you take the object, the perimeter and area and shadow will follow.

Wilgrea7:
Are the bacteria bad for not wanting to die?

You have a toilet which you keep washed, so you have the True Answer to this one.

Wilgrea7:
If a God says it's good to boil children in oil, am i wrong for refusing to do so? And if yes, then why exactly do i need to adhere to this God's standard of good and evil.

If something I would consider evil, such as boiling children to death is considered good by this God, am i under any obligation to subject myself to his “good"?

You have a right to (adhere) obey or disobey, exactly as your boss telling you come to work on Sunday.

Secondly, do take note that God also told you (creation) to boil corn (another and rice (another creation) and not one of you have complained about it.

So, you can also choose to not subject yourself to His commandments of eating other creations and refuse cleaning your toilet, whatever happens is yours to carry.

Wilgrea7:
Bruv... Stop deviating from the topic. If i were the one, you'd be screaming change of post like a referee.

This isn't about whether or not a God exists

Your header and your words clearly says it is, so I have not deviated.

Carcholce:
I created the below thread some months ago. I have gone through the thread several times and meditated on it.


https://www.nairaland.com/7201553/explain-bible-verse-me/1


Dtruthspeaker made a comment on the thread about the prodigal son, I have been pondering on it for a very long time, I think I can finally see what he or she means.


This is really deep. I have been having feelings of regret ever since I saw what the story of the prodigal son is actually talking about.

If you squander what was giving to you, it cannot be recovered. If you abuse your body that houses the temple of God, God will always forgive you, but that which your body had lost is lost forever.


A perfect example is a man that is spending money to treat a sexually transmitted disease because of his recklessness. God will always forgive him if he seeks forgiveness but his body is not forgetful even if he becomes well. The example is not entirely about sexually transmitted diseases but the act of going against the laws that makes you one with your creator. This laws cannot be broken nor cheated. This is why people fall sick and die because the body and the soul becomes weak to continue the fight. This is not even about whether you are a Christian or a pagan. You don’t even have to be a Christian or an atheist to see what this Bible verse is saying.


I compiled list of sayings by Jesus that perfectly supports this verse.


"A grapevine has been planted outside of the father, but being unsound, it will be pulled up by its roots and destroyed”


"Grapes are not harvested from thorns, nor are figs gathered from thistles, for they do not produce fruit. A good man brings forth good from his storehouse; an evil man brings forth evil things from his evil storehouse, which is in his heart, and says evil things. For out of the abundance of the heart he brings forth evil things.


"It is impossible for a man to mount two horses or to stretch two bows. And it is impossible for a servant to serve two masters; otherwise, he will honor the one and treat the other contemptuously. No man drinks old wine and immediately desires to drink new wine. And new wine is not put into old wineskins, lest they burst; nor is old wine put into a new wineskin, lest it spoil it. An old patch is not sewn onto a new garment, because a tear would result”


“If two make peace with each other in this one house, they will say to the mountain, 'Move Away,' and it will move away."


“His disciples said to him, "Is circumcision beneficial or not?"
He said to them, "If it were beneficial, their father would beget them already circumcised from their mother. Rather, the true circumcision in spirit has become completely profitable."


"The kingdom of the father is like a certain woman who was carrying a jar full of meal. While she was walking on the road, still some distance from home, the handle of the jar broke and the meal emptied out behind her on the road. She did not realize it; she had noticed no accident. When she reached her house, she set the jar down and found it empty."

I’m really shocked at this discovery. Dtruthspeaker Come and see something.

It is God who used my life and living to teach me, so it is He who deserves the Honour.

All I present is our simple ordinary and natural living and our inter-actions and co-actions with other persons and our natural world with the natural consequences, good or bad of each activity.

And most people do not know nor real-eyes that Jesus Christ, is A Law,er.

And all His Words are were fitly chosen in line with the Provisions of Law

Like when He told the faithful son "All I have is thine" it is in line with The Law of Inheritance since the other son has already taken his own portion of inheritance, therefore, there is none left for him.

It is not lawful for a person to receive an inheritance twice eg asking to be paid your salary twice.

ebenezerbanjoko:
This is the dumbest reply I have ever seen in my life.

If an Average Nigerian is thinking this way, I can now see how we are not a match for the whites.

It is dumb because you are dumb and you did not know that, you too are a creator and a god over your phones and cars and I can see why you are a failure always struggling unceasingly.

Olasyke:
Why did you mention me? Last time I checked, I didn't compare afterlife to a phone's battery cycle.

It is not only old age (battery) which kills a phone, accidents also kill it.

Now as the phone's mighty creator, when you so loved the phone, did you not bring it back to life after the accident? Or are you not capable of bringing it back to life even after its accident or accidents?

ebenezerbanjoko:
I have to say this @Olasyke but that just the truth. That thinking is just too poor for a grown up like you.

If u were a kid, I would have called you a slowpoke

Yet you could not offer a decent counter!

Sebi you people like thinking, so why is it that you refuse to think on this part?

Is it that there is a law against pro-,God thinking?

But let any one bring any thinking that is anti-God, even if it is moronic, as we think it is, you immediately latch it up and swallow it whole and praise your anti-God thinker.

But now I have equally given a pro-God answer and you can not answer.

See how imbalanced and crazy you people are?

You people forget that you people are creators and also have creations under you just as you have a Creator above you who can always bring you back to life again and again and again, just as you can do to your car and phone.

FemiAjani:
What this shows is that people use hyperbole when they talk. I'd like to add that government jobs are excellent jobs by the way, and almost always unionized too.

Is this an hyperbole too? Even your government is flogging it's servants

That is how you would deceive yourself and enter fire!

https://www.nairaland.com/7366641/umahi-orders-soldiers-flog-civil

Wilgrea7:
1)

Now, on to my example. This was given to me by a brilliant Christian here, by the name of TenQ. He made reference to a toilet owner, and the germs of a toilet.

If I, the toilet owner, decides to disinfect my toilet, I will be killing millions of bacteria. To me, disinfecting my toilet is good. To the bacteria, it is clearly bad.

But assuming I'm the arbiter of good and evil, my moral standards trump that of the bacteria.

I believe this bold has cleared it up. For, for a law to be The Law, it must trump, surpass crush and prevail over and above all other things.

And since you are the custodian of what is good and evil, it is subjective to you, the one who prevails.

It's as simple as that!

kingxsamz:
I'm not reading all that.
And no, I don't go "berserk" or whatever you mean by that. I enjoy the arguments.
And when I log out, I go on with my life. Doesn't mean I'm thinking about sky fairies.
Same way you came into this thread to argue with atheists. So?

You have done your part of berserkness even though these days you have been moderate. But you have done your own berserking.

Wilgrea7:
That's not the purpose of this thread Mr Man. This is not about whether or not a God exists. Read again

Sorry Youngman, they are inexplicably intertwined.

You can not talk about Law without t Course and Re-Course, to The Law Giver.

kingxsamz:
Well, unless the actions of the adherents of these non existent things affect the everyday life of those who don't believe in it. It's common sense. Not sure you thought your comment through.

In here, they do not affect your daily living, for you already know that when you see "religion section" you automatically know that those "adherents of these non existent things" will be here, but yet, you come in and go berserk.

People who do not believe in programming or fashion or investment never go to those sections. That is how it works.

But for you guys to be here displaying unreasonable and bewildering behaviours, tells us everything, which is how God has dealt with you people and that you people are just here seeking revenge against Him.

And since you can not attack Him, therefore you attack any one who is alligned with Him in proof of Deep Hatred and Personal Vendetta as Tamaratonye and co always do.

Wilgrea7:
Atheists don't go berserk when they see things about God. I've addressed this fallacious reasoning in my thread "why I as an atheist spend my time debating religion"

I give it to you that you are one of the few who stay at a moderate tone while asking reasonable and probing questions.

But your problem is that you do not know that there is an end to asking question eg you may ask what are numbers? and I may answer something we use for counting. Then you ask what is counting? Ha! I did not think I was talking to a person who does not know counting. So I must leave. Let another person go through the stress of teaching you counting.

So, that is how I have seen you execute your atheism but for your other brothers and sisters, it is madness galore.

Wilgrea7:
Except of course, you use it as a petty excuse to dodge questions that would clearly show the absurdity of your beliefs

Sticking to the issue of the debate, is the Law of debates.

Wilgrea7:
Hello again everyone.

So I think it's about time the issue of morality be properly addressed.

One recurring statement I see theists make, is that without the existence of a God, then morality, or better still, the definitions of right and wrong would be subjective, or a mere matter of opinion.

It is believed that somehow, the existence of a God, would make the issue of morality more straightforward. I beg to differ.

Whether or not we assume a God exists, we still run into a number of problems.

I'm going to take some examples given to me by theists here, as well as some examples of my own, to show why the existence of a God doesn't really answer the questions of morality

Take or leave it!

Where there is a Law (Moral) there is always A Law Maker!

No Law can make itself neither is it capable of making itself. That is what God The Mighty LawMaker and Creator of this world has already Done!

Wilgrea7:
If you scream "change of post" every 5 seconds, then you have no right to say "I addressed this earlier" in regards to the statements I made above. Screaming change of post does not count as a rebuttal.

Change of post means you have left the debate floor. Which means I win!