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Christianity Etc › Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:42am On Nov 04, 2021

A001:
Says who? Where's your proof?

Can you name one thing in this world which TRULY made and created itself?

Just one!

Christianity Etc › Re: Thread About Ufo/aliens From A Nigerian Perspective, Share Your Experiences by Dtruthspeaker: 7:27am On Nov 04, 2021

ayo84:
how come Nigerians are not responding to this

Because we deal with Important Life Giving or Death bringing things.

Christianity Etc › Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:23am On Nov 04, 2021

A001:
We don't know it as a fact that everything has a cause, and free will is an illusion.

We do know everything elsewhere and beyond the earth but on earth, it is proven beyond reasonable doubt that everything on the earth has a Cause.

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Common Fallacies in religion that makes atheists disbelieve Religion. by Dtruthspeaker: 9:39pm On Nov 03, 2021

Workch:
That is a Whataboutism fallacy.

It is on the list. I’m right after all

Tu Quoque only occurs when a contestant, the defendant in an argument who is supposed to either defend himself or admit the allegation ABANDONS HIS DEFENCE AND ATTACKS HIS OPPONENT, BY ACCUSING HIM.

And this is not the case here. He is only his only giving his own opinion and observations.

He was not on defence and you are not his opponent most especially as you see, HE DID NOT ADDRESS YOU OR ANY SPECIFIC PARTY.

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Common Fallacies in religion that makes atheists disbelieve Religion. by Dtruthspeaker: 9:22pm On Nov 03, 2021

IMAliyu:
Went on about this with him some time back.
He's a lost cause.

It's like saying Steve Jobs loved the iPhone so much he sacrificed his son for it. The equivalency doesn't work.

People have given their lives to save their phones and cars from armed robbers. So you are talking rubbish.

And the mere fact you could not find any good answer the last time we contended on this issue proves The Truth.

Once the impossible is eliminated, whatever remains, IS THE TRUTH. No matter how unpleasant and Undesirable it is! Arthur Doyle

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Common Fallacies in religion that makes atheists disbelieve Religion. by Dtruthspeaker: 9:19pm On Nov 03, 2021

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Christianity Etc › Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:12pm On Nov 03, 2021

LordReed:
Exactly, how is it free if is given by/caused by someone/something else?

It is free because YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN AN UNFETTERED OPPORTUNITY TO CHOOSE SOMETHING OR SOMETHINGS OUT OF A COLLECTION OF CHOOSES/CHOICES/OPTIONS.

Christianity Etc › Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:08pm On Nov 03, 2021

TenQ:
Spiritual laws are higher than physical laws. Physics does not deal with any law that is higher than physical

Yes, this is True, but we know that Everything starts from God's Hand or Mouth (Spiritual) before it Manifests here. (Physical)

Thus, the spiritual dictates and rules the physical.

So Anything and Everything is Possible In The Hand and Mouth of The Lord, but however, we care confined by what we have seen and experience.

That is as far as we can go Truth wise.

Christianity Etc › Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:59pm On Nov 03, 2021

TenQ:
Youll note that I have qualified it as:

The laws of physics operates on time, space and matter/energy

And I will limit to our own world of time, space, matter and energy.

But as the Bible has shown, it can be different, iron can float and wood sink, stick turned bitter waters drinkable, Our Lord lifted Himself up from the earth, the sea split and a people walked through it.

All these phenomenons break The Laws of physics even when such events happened here on the earth.

These lessons should definitely tell you that God has Several systems which are beyond our knowledge.

Christianity Etc › Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:50pm On Nov 03, 2021

LordReed:
Then you should speak to theists who say everything has a cause.

I do tell them and right now I am doing that.

LordReed:
BTW you don't answer the question. How is your will free if it is caused by something else?

Freewill is free because the willer is given an unfettered opportunity to choose which specific will or wills out of a collection of available options.

And no willer gives himself that power and authority HE IS GIVEN, (Caused )by His Creator.

Christianity Etc › Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:32pm On Nov 03, 2021

TenQ:
The law of physics operates all over the universe where time, space and energy/matter exist

You have not been all over the universe to know this for a Truth and it is impossible for you to do so.

So the only Truth that is True which you know is restricted to this place called earth only.

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Common Fallacies in religion that makes atheists disbelieve Religion. by Dtruthspeaker: 8:07pm On Nov 03, 2021

Hundredfold4lif:
Nonsense!
Science is a religion that is terribly afraid of GOD.
Anything GOD perplexes science!
Do you know why?
Because science can't exist without GOD! How? Science is dead without men created by GOD!
GOD made man; man made science!!!

In addition Science simply means "To Know/ To Study" from the word "Scienta".

Which means man is Only Studying and Learning "WHAT HAS BEEN CREATED".

Christianity Etc › Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:43pm On Nov 03, 2021

TenQ:
The law of Physics say: to every action, their is a commensurate (opposite) Reaction
In layman's terms, everything has a cause

I would amend your statement to say "on this earth" for that Law Clearly operates only earth and definitely not in space.

Christianity Etc › Re: Can You Explain How If Everything Has A Cause You Then Have Free Will? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:36pm On Nov 03, 2021

LordReed:
This question is for the theists who say everything has a cause and also believe they have free will.

It is already beyond doubt that we have freewill.

That word "EVERYTHING" is wrong because it presumes man knows Everything. AND THAT IS NOT TRUE!

Christianity Etc › Re: Hello!! Atheists by Dtruthspeaker: 6:43pm On Nov 03, 2021

LordReed:
Oh the fùcking irony of Dtruthspeaker quoting a Hamas leader. LMFAO!

Yes! it is seen and known that at a certain time, on a certain day, criminals do confess The Truth!

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Common Fallacies in religion that makes atheists disbelieve Religion. by Dtruthspeaker: 11:22am On Nov 03, 2021

Workch:
Its another fallacy I didn’t add.
strawman fallacy. He’s not okay bros. Just let him be and wait for more logical people.

Every single post that dude makes, you can spot a fallacy.

And yet you can not point the reasonable fall in one of them (as you attempted doing with the Camry example) WHICH DISAGREES WITH NATURE. grin

Hence Proving Nature's Truth, "THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH! grin

None at all and never shall there be! grin

Workch, this is about
Dtruthspeaker 5- 0 Workch! grin

NO ROAD!

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Common Fallacies in religion that makes atheists disbelieve Religion. by Dtruthspeaker: 11:15am On Nov 03, 2021

XXXXTENTACION:
The madman is even adding motivational qoutes to justify his ignorance...

Got you all Fair and Square and Round that you could not move! grin

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Common Fallacies in religion that makes atheists disbelieve Religion. by Dtruthspeaker: 11:12am On Nov 03, 2021

MaxInDHouse:
Only God can save believers in the day of tribulations, because with the way you're crying up and down on religion today it's becoming obvious that you want to hurt your neighbours for having faith in God!

Remember it is Written "evil does not sleep UNLESS IT CAUSE SOME PERSON TO FALL"!

So he is only doing his job.

Christianity Etc › Re: Hello!! Atheists by Dtruthspeaker: 11:10am On Nov 03, 2021

Dliquidmetal:
na him sabi,I wont reply people him. Waste of time and energy.
When the time comes,he would see the light but right now he can still keep being him(thedishonest and delusional speaker)

People think that The Truth can be hidden with a cover-ups and decorations. BUT AS TIME GOES BY, what is True is Revealed, and what is fake fades away. - Ismail Haniyeh

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Common Fallacies in religion that makes atheists disbelieve Religion. by Dtruthspeaker: 11:07am On Nov 03, 2021

Workch:
Logic like someone who didn’t do primary 2 mathematics.
Even my 5years son won’t make those nonsense up

THE TRUTH DOES NOT CHANGE according to your inability to stomach it. - Flannery O'Connor

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Common Fallacies in religion that makes atheists disbelieve Religion. by Dtruthspeaker: 11:00am On Nov 03, 2021

XXXXTENTACION:
Henceforth I Will have to ignore that madman...
What has this thread got to do with Robots and Manequins....

See fleeing! grin

Olodo! When you were talking about A Creator you forgot that you yourself have your own creations. grin

THE TRUTH DOES NOT CHANGE according to your inability to stomach it. - Flannery O'Connor grin

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Common Fallacies in religion that makes atheists disbelieve Religion. by Dtruthspeaker: 10:55am On Nov 03, 2021

XXXXTENTACION:
What are you even saying...

The post is about logical fallacies and you are talking of A.I and Robots...

Did anybody ask you anything on Robots...

workch are you sure this dude is okay...

SEE THE FALL OF CHANGE OF POST NOW THAT I HAVE ANSWERED YOU! grin

Now you are running back to fallacy after I answered your query on Camry and Samsung. grin

END OF ROAD, NO ROAD FOR YOU! grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Hello!! Atheists by Dtruthspeaker: 10:51am On Nov 03, 2021

Workch:
Dtruthspeaker is the owner of the moniker.

It’s obvious

It is a terrible thing for you to have created so many monikers such that now all you now see is every pro-God monikers being Dtruthspeaker. grin

Even when the moniker is even older than Dtruthspeaker! grin

Kai! It is a terrible thing to be A Fraud of Multiple Monikers. grin

What a disease! grin

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Common Fallacies in religion that makes atheists disbelieve Religion. by Dtruthspeaker: 10:46am On Nov 03, 2021

Workch:
lol,

AND FINALLY THE TRUTH STANDS REVEALED FOR WORKCH HAS NO FURTHER REASONABLE QUESTION TO RAISE! grin

Once the impossible is eliminated, whatever remains, IS THE TRUTH. No matter how unpleasant and Undesirable it is! Arthur Doyle

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Common Fallacies in religion that makes atheists disbelieve Religion. by Dtruthspeaker: 10:41am On Nov 03, 2021

Workch:
Does cars have consciousness like humans?
You are still committing the fallacy of faulty equivalence.

Or you stupid or what?

Thanks be to The Creator that you have made your own creation "who is after your own image and likeness". What you call A.I Robots and Mannequins.

Do your robots care to know you?
No!

ALL IT CARES FOR IS THAT IT "LIVES" EXACTLY AS YOU ARE TO YOUR OWN CREATOR!

AND JUST LIKE YOU, ITS CREATOR CAN TAKE AWAY ITS LIFE AT YOUR PLEASURE, SO ALSO DOES YOUR CREATOR HAVE THAT RIGHT ALSO! 1 - 1!

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Common Fallacies in religion that makes atheists disbelieve Religion. by Dtruthspeaker: 10:35am On Nov 03, 2021

XXXXTENTACION:
Idiot is camry a living thing
is samsung a living thing
comparing a non-living thing versus a living thing is fallacy of false equivalance....
you have just proved the o.p to be correct...

Olodo! Is that not what you The Creator of your new A.I Robots and Mannequins wiil say to them?

Like, you the moronic Robot "DOES NOT KNOW THAT! ALL IT CARES FOR IS THAT IT "LIVES" EXACTLY AS YOU THINK!

AND JUST LIKE YOU UNPLUG ITS POWER BATTERY, SO ALSO DOES YOUR CREATOR UNPLUG YOUR POWER BATTERY AND YOU DIE! 1 - 1!

Christianity Etc › Re: Hello!! Atheists by Dtruthspeaker: 10:26am On Nov 03, 2021

vinceyinnovation:
DTRUTHSPEAKER AND WORKCH ARE IN A WAR.....

Creating threads and counter threads

War by Argument is a Peaceful Mode The Creator of this world has left behind by which conflict should be resolved by peaceful means.

It is desirable that men should argue than to go to arms!

When there are doubts, Questions are Asked.

And at the end of questioning, SHINES THE TRUTH! grin

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Common Fallacies in religion that makes atheists disbelieve Religion. by Dtruthspeaker: 10:24am On Nov 03, 2021

Workch:
TOYOTA COMPANY TO PAY $180MILLION..

This is the case of EPA (creation, human) vs. TOYOTA MOTOR COMPANY (another creation, human) =Human vs. Human fight.

Not Corrolla vs. Toyoda fight!

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Common Fallacies in religion that makes atheists disbelieve Religion. by Dtruthspeaker: 10:23am On Nov 03, 2021

[quote author=Workch post=107293474][/quote]This is the case of EPA (creation human) vs. TOYOTA MOTOR COMPANY (another creation, human)

Human vs. Human fight.

Not Corrolla vs. Toyoda fight!

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Common Fallacies in religion that makes atheists disbelieve Religion. by Dtruthspeaker: 10:19am On Nov 03, 2021

Workch:
5. Tu quoque (whatabaoutism)
E.g. Science is also based on beliefs, hypothesis are made from beliefs.

Logical position: Whether or not science is based on beliefs, it’s not evidence that a god exist. (Budatum committed this fallacy not too long ago.)

6. Special pleading fallacy
E.g. According to the cause and effect law, everything must have a cause including the universe, hence the ultimate cause must be god.

Logical position: WHY must the cause be your god and who created your god? If your god cannot be created then why can’t the universe also exist without a creator? Why must you special plead your god from the law.

"WHY" - THE FALL OF CHANGE OF ARGUMENT/POST.

THE QUESTION IS PROOF OF GOD/CREATOR AND NOT WHICH GOD/CREATOR! - Foul of CHANGE OF POST!

Christianity Etc › Re: 10 Common Fallacies in religion that makes atheists disbelieve Religion. by Dtruthspeaker: 10:12am On Nov 03, 2021

WHAT DO YOU THINK THE LAWS OF LOGIC AND FALLS AKA 'FALLACY' ARE MEANT TO DO AND ACHIEVE?

ANSWER= THE PROTECTION AND SAFEGUARDING OF NATURE AND NATURAL TRUTHS.

LOGIC IS THE POLICE/CUSTOMS & IMMIGRATION/NAFDAC/NDLEA/EFCC OF TRUTH

They do not teach that in textbooks in school ONLY PROFESSIONALS LEARN IT.

Workch:
9. Fallacy of faulty equivalence
E.g. If a car can have a creator then the universe must have a creator which is god.

Fault- Presence of reasonable defect.

Unfaulty Equivalence is NO FALLACY.

Workch:
Logical position: We know the producers of cars, we know the factories, we know the engineers, we can meet them physically and we can even sue them if they make faulty cars. This cannot be applied to your god, it’s a faulty equivalence. We cannot sue your god for making cancer cells or earthquakes.
Dtruthspeaker is fond of this fallacy.

NATURE'S, NATURALTRUTH!

EVER SEEN A CREATION OR PRODUCT COMPLAIN OR SUE ITS MANUFACTURER?

Did the Camry sue Mr Toyoda or the laptop, Samsung?

No! Nada! Never! 'Impossibe'. NATURE SAYS!

Christianity Etc › Re: Hello!! Atheists by Dtruthspeaker: 9:54am On Nov 03, 2021

Gointo:
Hello, I know you believe in God, but you've been envelop by bitterness about what is happening in your life and around you .
There is a lot of things you are ignorant of.. But ye refuses to hear and believe the truth, but love and maketh a lie.
Now listen, THE WORD YOU REFUSE TO BELIEVE, THE SAME WORD WILL JUDGE YOU.

REPENT FROM YOUR INIQUITY NOW. AND SURRENDER YOUR LIFE TO HIM WHO LAY THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, SURRENDER NOW TO CHRIST.
IT IS WRITTEN, WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY.

Brother, remember rejected and sacked personnel must always be disgruntled and spiteful, so let them mourn their loss as best as they can get. grin

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