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4tomandchi:
A Pastor in America announced to his church on Sunday morning, "THIS CHURCH IS DEAD".
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Since 2010. He is only just knowing!

Bodydiialect57:
I am just wondering that if those people that commented above read through the op. The church perceived to have died was the denomination they were in but the pastor made them to see through the mirror.

Giving their last respect to the dead church by looking into the coffin, they saw the real dead church through the mirror!

Their individual self! Yes, it's their individual spiritual selves that have died.

If only people truly paid attention to the Bible, it is indeed Written and prophecied in there that the Church would die!

Myer:
How many charges do you think Satan has leveled against you in your lifetime?

Oh boy, oh boy! It is humanly impossible to tabulate.

Even this Eve's Charges are not yet finished, i only stopped because I got tired of extracting them.

So Satan's Charges will definitely have to be handled by Persons Higher than man.

A trap is never set in the presence of the prey and the best way to catch a guilty person has always been SURPRISE!

LordReed:
LMAO! Don't worry when you start crying your crocodile tears I will remind you again.

you already know that my weakness is that I will never ever do an evil thing nor an unjustifiable act but you, you respect no bars and boundaries, but are ready to trespass any and all lands before your eyes.

A real Law Breaker are you.

And there is only one soul who has that Law, and his name is Satan.

Which is why anytime you display his acts and unlimited entry into evil things, it means Only one thing, which is Satan, the-evil, has entered you or has taken over you.

That is why I am justified for calling you Satan for you are no longer a human soul but the-evil himself, and you know it.

LordReed:
So your god did not create animals is your contention?

You do not have anything reasonable to say for It's you who asked questions whilst I answered.

So it's you who contends with everything in sight, from animal to me to Creator to Law to exclamation marks even

Betscoreodds:
funny to say...... yet the sons of men say and think that the weak flesh can not be overcome...... As long as you keep pointing to yourself as the one who overcome your weak flesh.

You are still under the power of the self Righteousness.

As I said earlier, you do not know what "self righteousness" means.

And all I said is that I choose To Do and Obey The Will of the spirit as my Master.

LordReed:
Lemme address ...You claimed..

Dtruthspeaker:
Co-creations do not have a right to take away the lives of their fellow co-creations.

But they do have the Right to deal very much afar from them, just as their Creator has done.

Unless you do not consider animals to be co-creations then your so called law is nothing but some subjective jargon you dreamed up in other to sound profound. You further claimed you have special permission to break the said "law" and pointing it out to you you come up with "Maker of A law is Never a Subject of the law which he makes." As in you are just all over the place but I don't blame you the cognitive dissonance is very strong in you.

You thought i slipped.

First, my statement "Co-creations do not have a right to take away the lives of their fellow co-creations." was in like answer to budaatum (another serpent) who hath said "Women lives Matter" which you certainly saw.

Therefore, it is not reasonable for "Co-creations" to refer to "animals" as you wrongfully raised but to "Women".

Thus, my statement was to the effect that people do not have a right to take away the lives of the woman, (unless of course where provided by Law but I did not say this because it was not in issue ).

So this issue is settled and no longer in issue, therefore, when you asked

"So how do you have the right to take the lives of all the cows, chickens and goats you've been eating?"

This was a Fresh and Separate Issue and not connected to the Woman to whom my statement referred to.

Secondly, your query was about God breaking His Own Law as you said.

"Ok so you agree your statement was incorrect and subjective since your god can arbitrarily break that rule."

Therefore, you moved from me, the subject of The Law and who could break The Law, to The Maker of The Law, Who can not break His own Law because, He is above and beyond it, thus, abandoning your case and moving to another Fresh Matter.

So therefore, you kept moving from One Fresh Issue to Another and to Another, thereby leading to your Several Changes in Posts.

Which is why you allege that I was all over the place whereas you were the one raising different issues.

Hence, No Reasonable way for you to proceed.

LordReed:
I am not the one always announcing change of post. LMAO!

See CHANGE OF POST!

Reasonably and Validly Stick to the Issue of Contention or fall away.

That is the essence of the Referee called Change of Post.

LordReed:
Look at this duplicitous quack, when you're calling me Satan and all manner of names it used to sweet you but when I fire back you start doing like sugar doesn't melt in your mouth. LMAO! Don't worry you'll soon cry those your crocodile tears and beg me to stop. LMFAO!

A soul who loves doing bad and evil things, continually, is a soul that is entwined to the-evil himself, called Satan, hence by virtue of marriage to him, calling you Satan when you do evil or seek to do evil, is most appropriate, for you have proven time and time again that you will always be evil

That is settled between us

justfrankz:
It is better to avoid or to abstain rather than to resist.

Anyone that is leading you down the wrong path does not have your best interest. Say no. The world will only rob you of everything God has given you. It does not care about you; ask the prodigal son.

I presume that you refer to avoidance and resistance.

Thus, there are times avoidance is impossible, so that is when resistance kicks in.

Therefore, the 2 skills are necessary to acquire.

LordReed:
LMAO! I like giving you a long rope to hang yourself. The question simply revealed your duplicity.

And your rope never catches me for there was nothing valid for you to say in spite of your snaking!

LordReed:
You will always feel trapped by your own words because you are always talking bladderdash.

Translation! "Jus wen I think say dis guy don make mistake, d next thing, I go see na Road go Finish! make I just talk insult am commot

Betscoreodds:
what your saying is God (Jesus) coming to earth and discovering it by himself even though he knew about it yet he physical found out that the spirit is actually willing to serve God but the flesh is really weak in doing it.

What you saying is Jesus is wrong on that part if strength can do it on it own.

Another person Paul cried out what I want to do I can not do it because my member war with me all the time who then can save me from this problem before he now thanked the lord Jesus for victory.

So he was wrong to declare strength actually failed.

It is wrong for you to say what I did not say, for all I wanted to say, I said up there and you got it and you responded to them to the best of your ability until you could not.

So you are the one who is saying what I did not say nor intended to say.

Betscoreodds:
...Never that way because the flesh pulls down one who thinks this way.

You have 2 powers and 2 Masters over you.

The evil in you confined to the flesh and The God in you confined to the spirit.

Therefore, from your choice the Master whom you love is revealed by the Will of Whom you have chosen to Obey.

And to think that it is Written weak "evil (flesh) bows down to the Stronger The Good (spirit)". Proverbs 14:19, yet the sons of men say and think that the weak flesh can not be overcome when the Undisputable Winner between the 2 Masters is Very Clear.

You are all just making invalid excuses and are therefore without excuse.

Betscoreodds:
That is why many people end up not believing in any God because they end up seeing strength failed in all aspects of God

Do people want God?

No, they do not.

So, they never intended to Listen to Him nor Obey Him. They wish to make their own way for themselves.

So it has nothing to do with their strength for anything they set their hearts to, they pursued it skillfully and intelligently, eg Women, men, sex, cars, money, husbands and wives snatching etc.

But when it comes to the pursuit of God, they become powerless, weak and full of excuses exactly the same thing they do with things they never wanted to do eg work, diligent research, upholding agreements etc.

So, they were never with God in the first place not to talk of them departing from Him as Israel and Solomon did.

Betscoreodds:
Yes you read one part and you now forgot the vital part............

John 15:5
New International Version
“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.

Now what does nothing mean it means every nothing.....

I did not forget anything because i see Christ is The Law and The Law came out from God's Mouth and by John 1, Christ Came out from God's Mouth.

So I think we can give it a rest here for this is a case of to each his own.

Betscoreodds:
for the fact that you are afraid to admit that it not your own power that stopped the sin you said you put away that shows you still have sense. Now you don't want to admit it God power that gives holy life style and not self determination.

Proverbs tells me several times, "MY SON, HEAR THE INSTRUCTION OF THY FATHER."

Do I not have power to hear?

He goes on to say "RECEIVE MY WORDS AND HIDE MY COMMANDMENTS WITH THEE"

Is this impossible to do?

"MY SON, FORGET NOT MY LAW; BUT LET THINE HEART KEEP (OBEY) MY COMMANDMENTS"

Do I not have the Power to keep remembering The Laws of God and exercise my power to carry them out?

Here is Another Power I use, "and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do."

The same Power you use to accomplish an evil purpose, is the same power you can use to obey The Instruction of The Lord, if you truly wanted to keep it.

Betscoreodds:
The law can't help you it meant for you to cry out to God for help that where Jesus steps in.

It has already helped me for I dwell very well on every side.

So you can keep wasting your time and energy crying rather than carrying out The Instructions of God.

However it is very clear that

Evil Will Always Pursue the Sinner and the Wicked will Always Earn Troubles

Betscoreodds:
Adam and eve did not fear God right.

Ask them when you see them.

LordReed:
I made the to highlight the point that your so called rule is not absolute. You break it regularly because according to you your god gave you permission.

"Maker of A law is Never a Subject of the law which he makes."

LMAO! Quack lawyer at work. Why do you like fooling yourself?

You Don't have anything reasonable to say for FIRST you requested for the legality of my eating meat.

LordReed:
So how do you have the right to take the lives of all the cows, chickens and goats you've been eating?

which I answered and you said "ok"!

LordReed:
Ok so you ....

So this has been settled and can never ever be reached again.

Then you Changed Post to the Maker of Law, which I have again answered you.

So it is Settled.

So Now, You Have CHANGED POST AGAIN accusing me of breaking The Law by keeping it?

You well so?

Oh I remember, the-evil in you has corrupted your thinking processes. how does eating meat in accordance to The Law granting me permission to eat meat, Break that same Law?
The evil man, why doth thou make a fool of thyself in thinking you are wise?

No Road for you.

You do not have anything reasonable and valid to say.

You just wanted to come out here and insult me as you always do when you never have a valid and reasonable rebuttal!

Betscoreodds:
in other words the law is what keeps you Righteousness and your self determination.

In my words "Fear God and Obey His Directions!"

Betscoreodds:
which power do you use in putting away sin.

By the Power of Counting the people that would be wounded and must be harmed when I do any wicked thing after i had learnt of A Law which I did not know was out there which said

"The Tenets of The Law is To Live Honestly, To Harm No One and To Give to each His Due"

DoggoneDogg:
You must be highly insecure to see a housemaid as your rival. Says alot about you cuz if you had something tangible to offer your husband, you would have known that a housemaid can't match it.

It's not insecurity. She knows many things you do not know one of which is that a Married man is destination of all women.

Bishopkingsley:
as long as you keep insisting on your self Righteousness acts then only God can redeem you since you refuse to be humble.

The mere fact you do not know what self righteousness means, is your bowl of garri. All I said and what I said, is what I said!

And I never said anything about owning any "righteousness"

Put Away your sins or Hold unto them, it's you who shall bear the reward thereof.

I never brought you into this discuss, you jumped in on your own, so jump out and continue in your own way.

As for me, I shall continue to follow The Way of The Commandments, the Statutes, the Judgements and Ordinances of God. Gbam!

Bishopkingsley:
Bible said if we confess our sins he will forgive us if we say we have no sin we call God a liar

The Bible did not just stop at "CONFESS" but at "confess AND PUT AWAY (FORSAKE)".

"He that covereth his sins SHALL NOT PROSPER:

But, Whosoever, Confesseth AND FORSAKETH (PUT AWAY) THEM, Shall Have Mercy!" Proverbs 28:13. (The Law)

"Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings," 1 Peter 2:1

Hebrews 12:1

12 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with.

And many other Pronouncements of Law, Counseling us to Put Sin Away from us.

Bishopkingsley:
the above shows the word of God producing two things as it comes to human...

Not in Issue!

AntiChristian:
The starting point was the verses I quoted! I am still on point. So it's better you answer or not!

If not for the absence of your memory, you would have seen that I have since answered you on it and you had responded to my answer.

MaxInDHouse:
This one sweet paaaa!
Only that i'm suspecting something:
Are you sure what you're saying is not some human THOUGHTS that's contrary to God's THOUGHTS {Isaiah 55:8-9} because you said all these without any scripture to back each of your points!

I have told you several times that what is known, does not require proof.

Thus, all I have said are known for they are popular very sayings very much known among Bible readers.

MaxInDHouse:
Let me break down your points!
© Jesus is the seed that must suffer so that his disciples can enjoy the benefits of his suffering.

The bold: To say, that I said, what I did not say, is evil.

I implicitly said that Jesus commissioned them to be His "Fishers of Men" but this is not the issue you stood against me for, HENCE DEVIATION FROM DISCUSS!

MaxInDHouse:
...but Jesus said his followers will face the same thing because a slave is not above his Master! Matthew 10:22-25

ANOTHER DEVIATIONS FROM POST, for I did not make any comment on "Slave and Master"

MaxInDHouse:
©Apostles who were the first fruit of Jesus' ultimate sacrifice you also classified them as SEEDS so they're the ones to suffer yours is to enjoy, but you will like to share the same glory with them when they say they're going to judge angels!

YET ANOTHER CHANGE OF POST, for though my goals are none of your business, I do however state that, only a fool will think that this is an aim worth pursuing.

I am very content with just escaping the Anger of The Lord!

That is my goal, which is none of your business, so stay in your side of the fence.

MaxInDHouse:
©He died that you may live: please for how long and where? Because there's difference between life and death oh!

Your JW screwedness is not mine, so definitely, your blindness is yours alone to bear, for being Jw means to choose to see what you want to see, and not a seeing of That which The Lord hath Established forever.

MaxInDHouse:
©He suffered that you may enjoy!

©He took your weakness so that you may have strength!
Do you have scriptural backings for all these or they're just the wishful thinking of humans like what Jesus condemned in Peter? Matthew 16:22-23

Only Jws will never know

"for ye know (but jw Max did not know) the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich. 2 Corinthians 8:9

"knowing (jw Max does not know) that He who raised up the Lord Jesus will also raise us up with Jesus, and will present us with you." 2 Corinthians 4:14

And jw Max never knows the Gold hidden in the Land of Isaiah 53.

Bishopkingsley:
No human or devil can divide soul and spirit because they are one yet God said I can do it with my word

Outside Scope of your Query!

You did not ask about "division soul"and I did not speak about division of soul.

Bishopkingsley:
As you read blessing that children of God get also know the tough part you can't be victorious if you did not under go trouble.

Great Men of God is in the level of if I perish I perish that when no matter what happens I stay with God not only when you enjoy from God

Take it or leave it, It is Already The Law that "Evil Pursueth sinners:

Poverty and Shame SHALL BE TO him that refuseth Instruction:

In the house of the Rightfull (Righteous) is much treasure: but the Salaries and Revenues of the Wicked IS TROUBLE

AntiChristian:
How does this relates with what happen below? Which punch did they throw?...

You did not ask what happened below, you said I could not prove that those idiots, like your terrorist nation, did not throw the First Punch?

Here are your words below.

AntiChristian:
Okay, SHOW ME THE VERSES THAT SHOWS THE PEOPLE ABOVE THREW THE FIRST PUNCH!

The holy spirit in you will never lie.
Bring the verses here!

Hypocrisy loading!

You obviously suffer lack of memory.

Bishopkingsley:
.. Name one disciple of Jesus that did not encounter evil.

The Law is "Unless a seed falls down and dies, it shall not bear any fruit.

Thus, The Seed (Christ Jesus) Died and bore the disciples and followers.

And those same disciples and followers had to be Seeds themselves and replanted.

Which is why He told them that they shall suffer many persecutions and death Mathew 10:16-22.

So they had to die, so that The Farm of The Lord will bear much fruits and a very great harvest,

Today, that Farm is great and we today are the blessed recipients of their sacrifice.

Which is why we say, He died, that I might live, He suffered that I might enjoy, He took my weakness and gave me His Strength!

MaxInDHouse:
Are they ministers of Christ? ...
The above are the WORDS of Apostle Paul the man Jesus (Christ) chose to connect gentiles like you to himself. Act 9: 15; Romans 11:1; Galatians 1:15-16; 1Timothy 2:7

Paul experienced lots of HARD times so please i'll like to know, how come your own glory pass that of the man singlehandedly chosen by Jesus to connect you (a gentile) to himself?

Simple! Always Look to The Law.

The Law is "Unless a seed falls down and dies, it shall not bear any fruit.

Thus, The Seed (Christ Jesus) Died and bore the disciples and followers.

But the farm is just starting, so those same disciples and followers had to be Seeds themselves and replanted.

So they had to die, so that The Farm of The Lord will bear much fruits and a very great harvest, which is why many of our Founders had to suffer hardship.

Today, that Farm is great and we today are the blessed recipients of their sacrifice.

Which is why we say, He died, that I might live, He suffered that I might enjoy, He took my weakness and gave me His Strength!

AntiChristian:
Okay, show me the verses that shows the people above threw the first punch!

The holy spirit in you will never lie.
Bring the verses here!

Hypocrisy loading!

The Amelekites left their land and suddenly came to attack Israel while they rested at Rephidim. Exodus 17:8.

Canaan looks for Trouble. Numbers 21:1

Amorites looked for Trouble Numbers 21:21, particularly verse 23.

Same for Bashan, Moab, Midian etc Numbers 22 and 25.

Betscoreodds:
ye shall be Blessed in All of his way"..... This place got me cracking, so if hard things happen to you does that mean you have sinned.

Since I have been avoiding sin, NEITHER EVIL NOR HARD THINGS HAPPEN TO ME, ONLY GOOD, GOODER, GOODEST, GOODESTESS,... HAPPEN TO ME, EXACTLY AS IS WRITTEN.

"Evil Pursueth sinners: but to the Rightfull (Righteous) GOOD SHALL BE REPAYED!" Proverbs 13:21. This is The Law!

Yadid:
No man dies for his enemy. No man dies for evil people.

And this is where your other brothers from one of Satan's wives have deceived people with there "Grace" teaching.

For Grace is given to ONLY THOSE Who have Obeyed The Law and not to those who disregard it.

Hence, evil men are not under nor covered by the Sacrifice of the Lamb.

Yadid:
The height of human love is to die for his friends (friends here will include generally all the good people around that person, including his family).

True!

But do people do so?

As you truly said "The love of man does not transcend dying [(making sacrifice) Dying] for ones friends or those that are likeable to one."

Yadid:
Now according to Romans 5:7, it is even very scarce for a righteous or good man to find someone who will die for him.

A Righteous man does not need anyone to die for him for, he is safe from Trouble.

It is rather the sinner who needs to pay his debts of sin, which is the payment of death, for he gave deaths, in Accordance with The Law.

But the Rightfull man's debt is Life, for he gave Lifes, thus, Lifes will be given him, in accordance with The Law.

Yadid:
Yet that is the height of the love of man, nonetheless it is very sarce to find.

Surely, you must understand that the-dead, can not die for the-dead, for their dying is a trouble unto them, neither do they have Life to give to another person.

But it is The-Living, Who have Life or Lifes and therefore, they can give Life.

Thus, The Truth of The Law, "You can only give what you have".

Christ Lived and had Life, therefore, He could give Life and thus, Gave Life.

But the-dead have death, therefore, they can Only give death and must give death.

Yadid:
Looking at that John 15:13 closely, we see a man loving and dying for his friends. Where is the Grace in that? Selah. Where is Grace in one man dying for his good friends?

As I said earlier, Grace is not given to Law breakers (Enemies) but to Law Obeyers (Friends)

Yadid:
The love in that place is merited and not gracious one bit.

If it was merited it would not be Grace but "Qualification".

Grace is not qualification but "the granting of A Good and Favour to the Receivee of it" (like scoring 46/100 where 50 is the pass mark in your exams yet the Lecturer still gave you a pass. You have just received "Grace" from him, even though you fell short of the mark. Grace pushed you to the mark)

Yadid:
The love of our Abba Father is not so.

The Love of God is So, which is why He declared His intention that He is not happy that men should die, BUT NOMETHELESS, HIS WORD, THE LAW, MUST RUN ITS SET COURSE.

Yadid:
Let me leave you with this little thought-provoking question. If John 15:13 really describes the height of God's love for us, is it not the case that there are certain human beings (history is filled with people who have died for others out of sheer love) who have the capacity to love just as God Himself?

As I said earlier up, the-dead do not have Life to give ONLY DEATH. Thus, their dying for another, is a nullity.

But Christ's Own was not!

Yadid:
The true meaning of John 15:13 is that no man can love beyond dying for another

Giving Life to another is the highest and the greatest gifts that can be given a person, for all other gifts eg house, healing, food are less in that they are and can only be received and valued by the living and not the-dead or the-dying.

Yadid:
Is that the limit of God's love too? Watch out for the second part in order to have the full picture.

Nope!

But all that we have received from God is all we are to receive from Him.

Any other thing is above our grade, exactly as it is nonsensical to give a car to a baby.

Yadid:
Does John 15:13 Really Talks About The Greatest Love?
John 15:13
[13]Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Romans 5:8
[8]But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Looking at the two verses above, there is a sharp contrast. A man died for his friends and Christ died for sinners, not friends. Romans 5:6-8 clearly brings it out.

Friends are often good folks, the good people we share the same thing with.

You have made yourself an example of "bad thinking, bad product".

Did you not see that evil people, love evil people, therefore, they too have evil friends, sharing the same evil.things?

Hence proving the Truth of the statement "birds of the same feather flock together".

That same statement also applies in the world of evil people too, so you have fallen here.

And there is no contrast nor contradiction for John 15:13 is A Proverb exactly as the "birds of the same feather" proverb applied to men and men do not have feathers.

Whilst Romans 5:6-8 clearly explains what God did.