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Workch:
The only evidence in whatever you typed is that you are dogmatic.

Any other thing hasn’t been proven

AND YOU STILL DO NOT HAVE A BEAUTIFUL AND VALID COUNTER TO WHAT I TYPED!

Workch:
Mathematicians will most likely explain to a nursery student that is willing to learn, not a proud ignoramus who want to prove calculus before understanding basic algebra.

A mathematician must give him an answer that will leave his mouth open and unable to answer, which is what I did to you.

And till today, you still do not have a counter.

Workch:
It’s like a mathematician trying to argue maths with a nursery student.
I can go ahead to show you that you don’t know anything hence can’t be taken seriously

mathematician, why are you doing ojoro in adding this part after I have answered you?

As a champion will always put a novice to shame, so also a mathematician must give a high answer to the nursery student such that the student's mouth will open and nothing comes out.

Funny how it is student who has answered the mathematician and the mathematician WAS THE ONE SILENT.

KAI! SHAME FULL!!!

Workch:
That truth only exist in your dogmatic head.

The chant you tell yourself everyday so that you do not kill yourself and hasten your judgement.

Meanwhile you can not live with yourself because of the fear of your approaching judgment.

Your problem, you have laid your bed, so you must lie on it.

Workch:
God does not exist, if he does, he can’t create someone like you. He will be too perfect to make such mistakes.

And there is the go-to-bullet of attacking the man fallacy and Insult when your kind have run out of legitimate counter.

Workch:
How did you know that the most high judged me?

How do we know when a Tree is Cursed?

We see it withering and dead in the farm.

Workch:
i am not gonna rebut someone who don’t understand elementary science. You should be willing to learn instead

Like the ground under your feet, No one can ever rebut a Truth once it is Established!

That is what God has done!

udoji2021:
Are you God?

If you had Truly read the Bible you have known what things God hath said.

udoji2021:
Don't take things personal pls. All we are practicing is what we have been told or written. It's now our duty to think rationally and know what is right or wrong.

The bold: that is why you all dead already. You do not know that that statement means "do not see, do not feel, do not hear, do not smell and do not know" exactly as mannequins and idols.

So how can you hear all that The Lord has said, or how can you See all that The Lord has done, when he are dead?

Then you wonder why He Said "let the dead, bury, their dead!"

And again you wonder why He Said ..I am The Way, The Truth and The Life!

Nothing in this world is not personal, exactly as building collapse in America has moved you all here, or Chidinma killing another man is making you all shout.

All things are Personal and it is the Living who Feel heat (Anger), Cold (Hatred), smite (Pain) and Sweetness (pleasure)

It is the Living who Feel and See and Hear and Smell and Perceive.

THE DEAD DO NOT! And the counsel of this world is that you should be Unfeeling, unhearing, unsmelling, as the dead are.

udoji2021:
Like my pastor will always say, don't be quick to judge another person especially things that have to do with Spirituality.

I did not judge him, The Most High Judge did, as He Said He shall Do in these last days!

Workch:
You can’t prove anything, the last time we spoke, you sounded like you didn’t even pass elementary science.

Yet you could not rebut he who you say did not pass elementary science, surely you are worse.

udoji2021:
Sorry to say this sir, you are deviating from my questions.

I ask again, is there life after death?

Did you not ask
"According to scriptures, He supposed to know what will happen"

So I have answered what you requested.

So this is a new question.

udoji2021:
I ask again, is there life after death?

Yes! There is!

Proof! You did not create yourself so neither do you know where ye shall go as you did not know where ye came from.

And exactly as you know the beginning of your phone, you also know the end of it,

So also do you have God Who knows the beginning of you and the end of you.

And exactly as you determine where your phone shall be, so also does He can He determine where you shall be.

udoji2021:
Did you experience it yourself or someone told you about it or your argument is based on what is written in the Bible?

As I you have experienced near death events and did you not See and Feel how you nearly ran out of your body seeking to abandon it, when danger was near?

That answers your question.

udoji2021:
If your position is based on what you read in the Bible, how come different churches interpret it differently (JW especially) and what about of some Catholics that use to say you will go to purgatory (not sure of the spelling pls) and wait for judgement?

Do weeds not grow in farms? and do members of your family not betray one another?

udoji2021:
What I'm saying is that, different religions say different things about life after death, so which one do you think is true and why?

As electricity shock and fire burn, Nature is the best teacher and the Bible the Best Counsellor.

All others are Liars and capable of Lying.

But Nature and the Bible, Do Not Lie!

udoji2021:
And what of those that don't know or have not even heard about God and Jesus Christ, what is their fate?

God has already said He would handle that and make sure everyone before He blows end of match.

udoji2021:
Lastly, what if all this that we believe is wrong?

Are you walking on air or on the ground?

You can Lie to yourself, others can Lie to you BUT As The Ground Under your feet and rain in June in Nigeria, God, Nature and the Bible, are as real as garri being N1,300.

Religion means that which you do regularly.

Race means lineage and Ancestry.

So decide

Workch:
The Christian concept of a god has failed all test and if everyone should be sincere, we know he doesn’t exist. They are just trying hard to hold on to the lies in the stories by concocting more lies.

People will always feel threatened when you tell them their god doesn’t exist even when you present overwhelming evidence. That’s how dogmatism work.

The Christian description of a god is laughable, illogical, ridiculous and overwhelmingly irrational. It doesn’t agree with anything in reality.

I once prove that fact to you and you fell silent and could not speak for weeks. But exactly as God Said, your time has come.

But this is not the issue of thread go and open your own thread.

udoji2021:
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You are not getting the point sir, equating God with a mere human is not proper. According to scriptures, He supposed to know what will happen right from the time he was making man cos he knows what will happen till the end of time. Why then did he went ahead to make man that will be punished severely later?

Did you not see that He brought the the living creatures to Adam to see what he would call them?

Or did you not read again "and God saw that the wickedness of man was great"

Oh, did you not read that The Lord tested Abraham and Boasted with Job?

God can Foresee BUT HE DOES NOT ALWAYS DO SO!

There is no pleasure or pain in foresight hence there would not be the reward of Blessings and Curses.

udoji2021:
Your position about religion is quite interesting. I got your point now.

So does it means that there is no God or a supernatural being greater than humans or you simply believe that organized religion all over the world is a scam?

Sorry for the many questions brother

That is a man who has been marked for destruction as Written and there is no repentance for him.

So do you expect to hear fair comments from a Hater of God?

Your decision.

udoji2021:
Sorry. I don't get your point

Become a detective and conduct your own good investigation from the crime scene.

You have God's Anger, Eve played with Satan, Adam did not care about the fruit but because of sex, God Cursed Eve's pregnancy

Aren't there so many information to be acquired if indeed you are after the Truth or you wish to Condemn God but you just want to ride on the popular blind and Unjust condemnation of Him.

udoji2021:
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So which Father Seeing these things will not be angry, when he also saw that his children can overpass this nonsense, if they truly wanted to.

udoji2021:
It is believe that God created the world and knows what happened before, what is happening presently and what will happen later till the end of time. This brings me question on why he allowed Satan to decieve man, why was he also angry since He knew beforehand of what will happen?

Does His Anger not give you another information?

Does it not tell you like Common Entrance, He knew man can pass?

Do you not see that Adam did not fail?(for Satan tempts everybody)

So why then did Eve fall?

So did you not see that God attacked her Pregnancy?

Why the pregnancy? Does it not give you more information about what truly transpired between Satan and Eve?

A fact is not established by "A Sea of quotes and Multiple citations".

BassReeves:
I reiterate that principles are fundamental truths, that describe specific phenomena.

Is The Law Also not A "Fundamental Truth?"

I see now that it is as a consequence of the type of Bible you are using.

No wahala as you have already proclaimed the words of Truth "Psalm 111:10
'To obey the LORD is the fundamental principle for wise living;"

Which is what I advocate for!

I wish to ignore the other parts of your statements but for the malice and evil directed at me, because I always say "I am a Lawyer".

BassReeves:
i reiterate that principles are fundamental truths, that describe specific phenomena. You hear say, don't take the law into your own hands, just as Adam and Eve did, but you don't hear it said, don't take the principle into your own hands.

See how you fall into ridicule because you are trying to be what you are not?

That statement is a principle YOU WILL NOT FIND IT CONTAINED ANYWHERE!

Which is why I told you every lawyer knows that Principles and Laws are the same thing having THE SAME FORCE!

But you are just here to maliciously attack me.

BassReeves:
Principle of fair hearing, has to with natural justice and the fundamental truth of anyone needing to have a fair hearing in a courtroom while the The Law of Evidence, is about legal practice(s) and how evidence may be presented and contested in the courtroom, the techniques for obtaining evidence and the role of the lawyers, jury and judge etc in a courtroom.

See how you fall again? Did you not remember you said above,

"Of course, there was law before the 10 commandments, better still, there were laws before the 10 commandments (e.g. law of gravity keeping celestial bodies in their orbit, law sowing and reaping, the laws of nature etc)"

Is Natural Justice not from The Laws of Nature you said above?

And Who is The Law of Nature? You already know that is God, Again!

So, you speak of things you know nothing about exactly as a plumber attempting to fix an engine fault.

BassReeves:
Have I typed that you don't miss a chance to gloat over being a lawyer sha

The Law States "As a man thinketh, so is he" therefore, being a gloat yourself, you see gloating in everything.

I am not like you! I say these things because the Proof of Truth must be and should be backed by Expert Opinion and Evidence at All times.

It is not a shoemaker who confirms the Truth of illness but a Doctor!

It is not a carpenter who confirm the Truth of an engine but a mechanic.

So also it is not a bricklayer who confirms The Truth of Law, but a Lawyer

BassReeves:
and that Luke 11:52 says:
'Woe to you lawyers, because you have taken away the key to knowledge (scriptural truth). You yourselves did not enter, and you held back those who were entering [by your flawed interpretation of God’s word and your man-made tradition].”'

I have come to present these knowledges and did not hide it. I have begged and called out lawyers here to come and uphold or Challenge me as to these Truths of God, but they are silent.

Now because of your hatred for me, you Falsely Accuse me.

God will Answer You.

Doth a mechanic teach Law or can a plumber be a teacher of medicine?

Ye are wrong oh ye mechanic. I know you are only exercising your right to present your own opinion and wish, but you are far from the Truth.

jesusjnr2020:
The Difference Between The Law Of Moses And The Law Of Christ

1. The Law of Moses was the standard of a nation, (built upon the structure of the - extended - family of a willing and obedient individual), while the Law of Christ was the standard of the Church (a nation built upon the structure of willing and obedient individuals). Exodus 19:3-8, John17:6, Matthew 12:48-50.

A church too is a Nation! Same words of Law, was Proclaimed;
"But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, as in The Law and Statutes given to Moses, no need to quote, everyone knows this statement of Law.

jesusjnr2020:
2. The Law of Moses was to make man righteous, but the Law of Christ is to make man perfect as God is. Matthew 21:32, 5:48, 19:16-21.

Is Righteousness not perfection? Noah, Job, Daniel.

jesusjnr2020:
3. The law of Moses was made for men born of the flesh (sin), while the Law of Christ was made for men born of the Spirit. John 3:3-7.

What did you imagine "Keep The Law with all thiy heart and with all thy soul and with all thy strength meant?" Or

"circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart" Deuteronomy 10:16, it meant go to the hospital to deforeskin?

jesusjnr2020:
4. The Law of Moses was a stop-gap measure, but the Law of Christ is the Will of God. Matthew 19:4, 8, 7:2, 24-27.

See scrambling and fabrication for something to say. So when God was issuing forth His Commandments and Statutes to show mercy (grace) unto thousands of them that love me and keep my Commandments, His Will traveled to Nigeria.

jesusjnr2020:
5. The Law of Moses was temporal, but the Law of Christ is permanent and abides for ever. Matthew 11:12-13, Luke 16:16, Matthew 24:35.

So He Who said
"O that there was such an heart in them, that they would fear Me, and keep All My Commandments ALWAYS" Deuteronomy 5:29, was joking.

jesusjnr2020:
6. The Law of Moses was only done on Earth, but the Law of Christ is also done in heaven. Matthew 6:10.

See another scrambling! The Commandments did not come from heaven, they came from China.

jesusjnr2020:
7. The Law of Moses was not in existence in the beginning, but the Law of Christ was in existence even before the beginning was. Matthew 19: 4-8, John 1:1-3, John 17:5

See serpent! Is The Law giving to Moses not "The Law of The Voice of God" as in the beginning?

Was it Moses who SPOKE those Laws?

I have done my part, let another come to Answer this False Prophet, Serpent and Deceiver!

awitness41:
Consider...
At some point after the Beginning, God and Jesus made the very first Angel in Heaven (for Angels were created before man).
And like all beings God and Jesus ever made - Angelic or human - They gave that very first Angel free will and the ability to communicate.
And because the first Angel could communicate, if he wanted to tell God and Jesus something, he had, by the free will given to him, a choice.
He could choose to tell God and Jesus the Truth about something, or he could choose tell Them a lie.

I think you are and have gone too far out of Jurisdiction.

I believe it wise and safe to confine yourself to matters of your own world of which God has given you information on.

The matter of the heavenly bodies and Angels are Truly unknown to you, so it would be best not to raise much comments about these matters.

awitness41:
And that was the very beginning of God's Law.
For wherever there is a moral choice combined with free will, there is God's Law, discerning between what is good versus evil, right versus wrong, and righteous versus unrighteous.
If we speak and do according to God's Standard of Righteousness, we follow the Law.
If we do not, then we break the Law.

The highlighted: man already had "freewill" because God had Law'd it that man should be made "After their image and likeness".

Thus, since they had "freewill", we inherited it from them even before we could discern good and evil which entered later because of disobedience.

awitness41:
Consider...
At some point after the Beginning, God and Jesus made the very first Angel in Heaven (for Angels were created before man).
And like all beings God and Jesus ever made - Angelic or human - They gave that very first Angel free will and the ability to communicate.
And because the first Angel could communicate, if he wanted to tell God and Jesus something, he had, by the free will given to him, a choice.
He could choose to tell God and Jesus the Truth about something, or he could choose tell Them a lie.

And that was the very beginning of God's Law.
For wherever there is a moral choice combined with free will, there is God's Law, discerning between what is good versus evil, right versus wrong, and righteous versus unrighteous.
If we speak and do according to God's Standard of Righteousness, we follow the Law.
If we do not, then we break the Law.

Thus, God's Law existed practically since the dawn of time, as soon as God and Jesus made the first Angel.
In fact, God's Law is omnipresent, existing everywhere, in Heaven and throughout the universe, including Earth.
In fact God's Law is an integral PART of existence, wherever any free-will beings exist and can make moral choices.

One cannot escape God's Law any more than they can escape their own free will.
No, we cannot escape God's Law.
We can only keep it or break It.
And when we break It, we sin.

The rebellious of course hate the words "Commandment" and "Law".
And the rebellious do everything imaginable, including inventing deceitful doctrines, to avoid anything to do with those words.
But there is nothing to hate.
For it is founded on Love by God for His beings.
God's Law is there because God Loves His beings and wants them to be protected by right-living.
Those who embrace God's Law know this.
Those who reject God's Law live a lie, pretending there is no such thing.

Is there free will ? Yes.
Are there moral choices to be made ? Yes.
To deny either of those is a lie.

People can choose whatever they want to believe, either from God or men.
But if we refuse the simplest of Truths, what more will be given to us ?

In the beginning was The Law
And The Law was with God
And The Law was God.

Lessonteacher:
As it's been established that obeying God's law brings about the best life, the question remains"why do we beings with Free Will still disobey God's law?"

Because, they are the sons of the very first disobedient, Satan.

So like father, like son- The Law of "After its own kind!"

HedwigesMaduro:
You've still not said anything.
So why did God gave instructions on how to treat the first wife when a person got another wife in the Old Testament? I still don't get your drift.

I have answered you, you just can't believe that you could not reasonably query my answer.


For your clear question was "how did David suffer for it?"

And I did not just answer it, but I gave you the beginning of his woes and his lamentations because God Left him and troubles followed him.

HedwigesMaduro:
You've still not said anything.
So why did God gave instructions on how to treat the first wife when a person got another wife in the Old Testament? I still don't get your drift.

Cite the place in the Bible where God gave the such instruction

BassReeves:
You my learned friend, need to understand you're with this lot conflating the Principles of Nature. Principles describe specific phenomena and fundamental truth, like in your list up there, that require clarity and explanation. Principle(s) test our love, while law(s) test our obedience

You did not know the difference between principles and laws and your recent knowledge of them is based on what Google sciencing.org said.

Every lawyer would tell you that principles and Laws are the same thing having the same force. Eg Principles of fair hearing is the same as The Law of Evidence.

Thus, you do not know about Law and it's operation, therefore you have no valid basis to query my post exactly as a plumber can not query a surgeons handwork.

BeLookingIDIOT:
Lol...Both of you are mistaken.
The "side chicks" he is talking of are essentially their masters female slave whom they can copulate rape This is legal according to the bible.

The Bible never legalised rape, rather God was trying to purify an unholy people.

BassReeves:
but we know that Adam and Eve started out with only one by-law, not 613, not even 10, but reiterating, just one by-law that served a decisive and settling purpose.

Adam and Eve had at least 5 Laws to keep
1) The Law of fruitfulness (Production and Creativity)
2). The Law of Multiplication (Increase)
3) The Law of Replenishing the earth (Restoration of the earth
4) The Law of Subduing and dominion (Power over the earth and fish)
5) The Law Prohibiting the eating of the tree of Knowledge of good and evil.

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BassReeves:
Ecclesiastes 8:4a
'The king's word is law ...'

God is the King maker and it is His Power, He gave them to issue Laws, else, they are exactly as other men are.

Thus, a kings word is only law because God gave him, His Power to Law.

Hence, God is Indeed The True Law'er, Whose Word is always Law.

BassReeves:
[h] in verse 17 above, means Both spiritually and physically, physical death in the sense of becoming mortal; they were created immortal.

I was coming to this Law. The Law of death!

BassReeves:
The King/king's word is law. Whoever[b] keeps and observes[/b] a royal command will experience neither trouble nor misery, for a wise heart will know the proper time and right procedure so not to risk appropriating.

"Keeps and Observe" means Obedience, so no problem here but what do you mean "know the proper time and right procedure so not to risk appropriating"?

BassReeves:
God, as early as Genesis 1:3, has been given peremptory orders (i.e. commands) [/b]The backdrop of Genesis 1:3 is swiftly followed by a flurry, series and set of 'And God said, Let ...' authoritative commands.

I love the use of the word "Peremptory Orders" to be Obeyed Immediately and carried out Without Delay.

And they are still being carried out even today, therefore we, they are still in force.

BassReeves:
As the series of 'And God said ...' commands, as seen in Genesis 1:26-29 above, came to a dramatic climax, God now created the law of [b]free will and also the law of cause and effect. These two laws each, are in readiness for the by-law at Genesis 2:16, with a part stating: '... from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, you do not eat from it, for in the day of your eating from it—dying you die.'

The Law of Freewill was not created at this time The Law of freewill was issued at the "Let us make man in our own image, AFTER OUR LIKENESS" stage.

Also The Law of Cause and Effect Originated at the "After his kind" stage.

And before The Law of "Do not eat" in Genesis 2 was "The Law of Eat" in Genesis 1:29

BassReeves:
No one ever can improve on God's law(s). God's law is love...

Of course, there was law before the 10 commandments, better still, there were laws before the 10 commandments (e.g. law of gravity keeping celestial bodies in their orbit, law sowing and reaping, the laws of nature etc)

It is said that, man has made 32 million laws since the Commandments were handed down to Moses on Mount Sinai however, currently, still counting, there are at least 1.6 million man-made laws, but we know that Adam and Eve started out with only one by-law, not 613, not even 10, but reiterating, just one by-law that served a decisive and settling purpose.

There's the bible maxim that says: 'Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much' Even with just one law, Adam and Eve, stumbled and crumbled at the starting block, they didnt know the proper time or right time, they are to eat of the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

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No one ever can improve on God's law(s). God's law is love.
ThePlainTruth

I observed that you said, even twice, "No one ever can improve on God's law(s). God's law is love.

As a Lawyer I know too well aware that a Law can Only be Validly Amended or Improved upon by The Very Same Law Giver. And no other, has A Right to do so.

Therefore, knowing I did not make these Laws, thus, I exercise no power whatsoever in attempting to amend or improve them and neither did I do so

It is rather because I real eyes that people appear to only pay attention to The Commandments, which I have now further Learnt and Seen that it is '2' Laws Rolled in '1', to wit- The 10 Commandments and the Statutes or Judgements.

To which my attention was drawn to the fact that "EVERY WORD OF GOD IS LAW, as Deuteronomy and Mathew have Informed us.

Thus, I am simply drawing attention to the Fact and Examples that EVERYTIME GOD SPOKE, LAWS ARE GIVEN!

BassReeves:
God's law first. Obey God's law first before considering the laws of man...

I do not know what made you bring in man's law here, but I have stated it clearly on this platform, that man's laws are
1) illegitimate and illegal
2) A Fraud and an enslavement
3) have no power over man (we are above those laws).

Therefore, I have no regard for Constitutions and other man made law and therefore, Law in my mouth always means God's Law.

bornalive:
Well said. Devil like op knows how to pick out points from the bible to justify their evil thoughts. Devil knows the bible in and out, hence op is his true child. We are only living by His grace.

Op, you are digging your grave. Lead them not into temptation.

Thank you. Thank God you also see that he is a True son of evil attempting to use God noted persons who erred or fell so as to cause others who do not understand God and His Ways to equally
foolishly fall into evil.

But we shall speak up against them.

HedwigesMaduro:
There's no place in the Bible where concubines were described as whores, except if I'm missing something. In trying to correct wrong notions we shouldn't be superimposing our own ideas on the ideas given in the Bible.

The Law has already provided "One female, who shall be thy Wife" for you.

Therefore is it Lawful to have another, whom you call a "lesser wife"?

Your answer judgeth thee, for a lesser wife, is still not a Law Filled "wife".

For immediately you have one wife, the door is shut against all others which is why you and all men are trying to hide her and cloak her with the word "lesser wife" aka concubine, mistress, sidechick.

HedwigesMaduro:
How did David suffer for it?

The more accurate question is WHEN DID DAVID BEGIN TO SUFFER from his error and sin.

Answer: when he disobeyed the Statutes of The Lord and kept not the Commandments, WHICH HE KNEW TO OBEY AND UPHOLD.

Thus, his troubles began after he left his wife Mi'chal at home, had sex with other women (1 Samuel 21:5) and took him Abigail, Jezreel etc as wives.

For exactly as Abraham, Solomon, Saul and co, God left him.

Which is why you see him Crying Out a lot in Psalms "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so far from helping me, ...? Psalm 22,

"How long wilt thou forget me, O Lord? Forever? How long wilt thou hide thy face from me? Psalm 13: Psalm 10, Psalm 6, Psalm 77 take note of verse 10, and other Psalms.

Which is why he severally Cried and Warns, Keep The Commandments and Obey The Statutes of God.

For he knew his sufferings came upon him BECAUSE he disobeyed.

However, this experience happens ONLY to those who Truly Love.God and kept His Laws.

Any who who has not experienced this, IS NOT A CHILD OF GOD and thus, they are dead already and therefore God, in His Goodness, does not let further afflictions fall on them.

Which is why I call on all to keep The Law, (Commandments and Statutes) for they would indeed convert your soul, if indeed you want to Truly love God. Psalm 19:7. "The Law of The Lord is Perfect, Converting the soul:.."