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BUT WHAT OF THE "DIVINE PLAN" ?

.......FROM THE BEGINNING OF TIME, THE ALMIGHTY GOD ALREADY MADE A PLAN FOR HOW THE WORLD WILL BE FOREVER AND EVER, AND GOD NEVER CHANGES, WHAT HE SAYS WILL BE IS WHAT WILL ALWAYS BE.

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There are always 2 types of Plans A Person Always creates; A Breakable and Flexible Plans vs Unbreakable and Fixed Plans!

Perfecion still remains intact and unassailable!

Veeque:
Sad.
I expect people like you to viciously attack anything alien to your inherited understanding

Every one hates a wicked thing even the Wicked do not like Wickedness being done to them.

Veeque:
Nice.

Funny how people defend someone they paint as loving and yet, this same person carried out genocide on innocents and toiled with the mind of others just to prove his power( exodus, Pharoah)

Funny how people think they know but they know Nothing.

Did you not hear
A wise King Scattereth the Wicked and the eyes of a King chaseth away all evil? And that A Kings Throne is Built on Goodness and Rightness?

I know you do know, so know

helinues:
This is not about movies but believe ...

I already be to live. The sand is under my feet, I do not live in water neither can I go through walls or fly as a bird or hold fire in my hands. I know all these things and many more which I live in and I am enjoying my living.

masterP042:
In the bible satan killed only 10 people [Job's kids] and that was by God's permission. But God wiped out millions, generations of humans, kids, babies etc. Yet Satan is the villian and God is the protagonist.
I've come to find out that when we read the Bible with reasoning and logic, the bible fails to make sense.

When we call you child, you would get angry. Evil Shall Always do Evil and Satan is Mr Evil aka The-Evil aka D'evil aka Devil.

He is the cause of your dying today and every wickedness is perpetrated by his hand but you do not see him because he now lives inside you and your brothers that is why you are always afraid when you go out for you do not know who Satan shall use to get you.

Neither do you ever look inside to see him.

Has anyone of ever wondered why he wanted Adam and Eve to eat That Fruit?

helinues:
Forces, dark matter are my God

Don't we just love movies and play pretense? Tesseracts, infinity stones, Ultron. etc

BigTableShaker:
Silk is a fine, delicate, soft, illuminating, beautiful substance.
But you can never rip it! If a man takes this tender silk and attempts to tear it, and cannot tear it, is he in his right mind to say "This silk is fake! I thought it was soft, I thought it was delicate, but look, I cannot even tear it" ?
Surely, this man is not in his right mind! The silk is not fake!
This silk is 100% real. It's the man who is stupid!

In other words GOD is GOD, it is you who is stupid.

Lets show him his stupidity, if he can put it away for a second.

Veeque:
Oh I've got a lot them.
This is a series. Topics will come in separate threads.

Trust me, my findings are capable of shattering the core of Christianity and religion

If present your shattering topics like this, they would not shatter anything save the space they occupy in Nairaland.

0temSapien:
This is the Aquarius age and you are coming to the realization of what I've been musing since 2016 when I suddenly woke up to realise myself as a god that is even greater than Jehovah and Allah combined.
The book of Genesis is an adulterated versions of ancient stuffs so it makes no sense to even believe in it at all or base the creation of humans or earth on it.
Jehovah, Allah and the rest of religious gods happen to be earlier beings created by God Almighty. They are just mere beings like us, but they enjoyed coming to the earth consciousness before us. All the stories in religious texts are just there to control our own minds, but thank nature, some of us awoke to the realization that we are even greater than those texts and are gods ourselves who are capable of doing more than the texts of limitation they shove down our throats. We are gods ourselves while God Almighty is the TOTALITY of EXISTENCE. Read the BOOK OF UNIVERSAL HISTORY to know exactly the origin of the earth, the universes and how Jehovah, Allah and the other gods were created.
https://www.nairaland.com/2938907

Yes, Running from one book to another every couple of years, like tenants.

joviegghead:
And if you're intelligent, you'll realize the questions asked by the op were leading questions. Question intended to make you think and lead to his answers.
Sadly, you're too blind to understand. Dumbass.

The op tried.

I'm still waiting for substantial rebuttal. All I see are blind individuals, insulting and scratching. Defend God.

My Learned Counsel you already know that leading questions do not come up when a person is presenting his case.

It's your case, lay your issues or your case and let trial begin.

And his case is incoherent and not comprehensible, so how are we going to rebut?

I apply for this case to be struck out for the charges are not understandable for breach of the Rule of Uncertainty and Inconsistency of Charges.

Veeque:
Notice what Genesis 11: 6&7 says - "Look! They are one people with one language, and this is what they have started to do. Now there is nothing that they may have in mind to do that will be impossible for them. Come! Let us go down there and confuse their language in order that they may not understand one another’s language.”

Then you started flying all over the place, like a Deranged Person from up above to down below.

Veeque:
Once again, the Bible paints a God feeling insecure/ threatened and plans to disrupt progress of Man.

To the achievement of man below

Veeque:
Today, man has achieved even greater. We have invented so much and can do practically anything (maybe).

Then to Defence of God

Veeque:
Yet, We've defended God who wanted us dormant despite this and labelled the Devil as bad despite the fact he spearheaded the liberation.

Then, Further Allegations

Veeque:
Funny enough, we've been made to believe Man plunged himself into sin, suffering and death. Really? No! Genesis 3:16-19 says otherwise (read it yourself). Our suffering and death came from one source, the same source who promise to give us everlasting if we submit to him.

Then, Judgment, in the Absence of the Defendant or his representative putting in a defence.

Veeque:
My Verdict : God is tyrant. And we've defended him long enough.

One day may you not be arrested and sent Straightway to the firing squad without a fair, reasonable trial from a judge who did not hear your case.

Veeque:
They took the fruit. And from what the Bible shows, they did not die that day, and yes, they started knowing. First, their unclothedness, which led to the first invention: making of cloths from plants.

What is even shocking is God's reaction. He was angry they knew they were naked. Why? Why make them live in naked and mental darkness?
He chased them out. Why? Notice what Gen 3:22 says:[b] 'Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad. Now in order that he may not put his hand out and take fruit also from the tree of life and eat and live forever' [/b

What kind of picture of God is this verse trying to paint? Who was he conversing with? What did he mean by 'we've become like them'? Are we gods too? Why were they hell bent one making us mentally dormant? Why try to stop us?
Was he scared of what we could accomplish? Yes! When man planned to create an edifice

I thought this post was going to tell us many things we do not know but you have uncovered, so how is it that you are still asking questions when you are the one who is supposed to be providing the answers?

Is it possible that you are insane?

Veeque:
Then came the entity we were taught to be the Liar(Satan through a serpent). His claim was opposite of God's : You certainly will not die, for God knows the day you eat from it you will be like him knowing good and bad.

Who was right? Only one way to find out.

We never found out for you abandoned it

Veeque:
I wish this could make fp.
Anyway, I'm glad I've said my mind.
And I expect attacks or silence.

Yeah, thank you for presenting your Foolish Unbalanced Assessment for Proper Assessment, now we shall give you the result of your Foolish Thinking!

Veeque:
Recently, I have been making several research concerning God and the Bible. I have come to the conclusion that: 'God isn't who we think he is'.

But I'll just delve right into it, starting with the book of Genesis.
Let's assume Moses was 100% correct about creation(not sure how he saw it). However, there exist discrepancies from what we've been to taught and what the Bible actually points out, especially regarding what happened between God, Adam and Eve.
The Bible tells us God created Adam and Eve, put them in Eden and gave them dominion over everything but placed a restriction on the tree of knowledge of good and bad. Why? No reason was given except a strong warning : 'In day you eat from it you certainly will die'.

Is this not reason enough?

Do we not say, My children, as una dey play dey troway toys for dis parlour, dey enjoy yourself and dey happy well-well, do you see my N820k HD-Tv on the wall, if you break it, na die you dey?

The HD is still on the wall and my children still play in the parlour.

So your query does not stick!

Veeque:
Then came the entity we were taught to be the Liar(Satan through a serpent). His claim was opposite of God's : You certainly will not die, for God knows the day you eat from it you will be like him knowing good and bad.

Who was right? Only one way to find out.

They took the fruit. And from what the Bible shows, they did not die that day, and yes, they started knowing. First, their unclothedness, which led to the first invention: making of cloths from plants.

What is even shocking is God's reaction. He was angry they knew they were naked. Why? Why make them live in naked and mental darkness?
He chased them out. Why? Notice what Gen 3:22 says: 'Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad. Now in order that he may not put his hand out and take fruit also from the tree of life and eat and live forever' .

What kind of picture of God is this verse trying to paint? Who was he conversing with? What did he mean by 'we've become like them'? Are we gods too? Why were they hell bent one making us mentally dormant? Why try to stop us?
Was he scared of what we could accomplish? Yes! When man planned to create an edifice,

Notice what Genesis 11: 6&7 says - "Look! They are one people with one language, and this is what they have started to do. Now there is nothing that they may have in mind to do that will be impossible for them. Come! Let us go down there and confuse their language in order that they may not understand one another’s language.”

Once again, the Bible paints a God feeling insecure/ threatened and plans to disrupt progress of Man.
Today, man has achieved even greater. We have invented so much and can do practically anything (maybe).
Yet, We've defended God who wanted us dormant despite this and labelled the Devil as bad despite the fact he spearheaded the liberation.

Funny enough, we've been made to believe Man plunged himself into sin, suffering and death. Really? No! Genesis 3:16-19 says otherwise (read it yourself). Our suffering and death came from one source, the same source who promise to give us everlasting if we submit to him.

My Verdict : God is tyrant. And we've defended him long enough.

Aha! OP, you no Sabi think again? You don forget all the question wey you talk say U go answer, only for you to Kon Abandon am?

I was patiently waiting to see the answer only for you to add many other questions and then the next thing, Na judgment na im I see.

Which Kain Wayo Judge you be?

Na You make case, you raise question, you no answer the question then you kon enter judgment make we take.

Your head correct so? Only you one make case, only you one prosecute, Na you Kon Still be the Judge wey judge the whole case.

Kon give us judgment, say make we for take am!

Kai! You dey unwell!

urchcoded:
Wrong!! The truth never hides. It's always glaring.

Correct!

Liars Have To Lie and Must Lie Using the Truth, else their Lie would be Shining and Discovered!

Because these wicked people have seen and know that Everyone Accepts the Truth and walks or works with the Truth.

For they have Tried whole Lies before, but they saw that it was Immediately Detected and Rejected.

And they hate WHOLE TRUTHS for their wicked plans will never work if Truth is there, so they have adapted to Deceive Many a men with True-Lies or Lies-True whichever they like.

For a writer once said that "The Most Effective Lies are Ones Which Contain The Truth in Them!

Religion Does Nothing!

It is nothing more than any conduct or action or activity you do Regularly or Systematically.

danyero:
Christian faith: Belief without evidence, which is insane really.
Trust: Confidence in something, which is usually backed by some evidence.

That is what I am trying to explain to them and show them that faith is based on Knowings Practically and Trust Always Follows Knowledge.

But they are still stuck up in the Definition and have not come out to put it in use to see that in Practical Use and Action it is based on Solid Evidence!

After they have finished doing this for years they would then come up to say many shits.

solite3:
knowing is not the same as faith or trust.
The only knowledge that leads to faith is the knowledge of God and his word, even that is not faith itself.

What is knowledge? Is it not knowing? Is knowledge of medicine/engineering not knowing of medicine or engineering?

So also is knowledge of God as you said, is Knowing of God!

Knowing of God brings Trust in God just as Knowing of your doctor or mechanic makes you trust your doctor or mechanic.

And Trust is Reliance on Knowing or Knowledge!

sonmvayina:
You won't learn like this.. Be open minded... I said they are stories to teach us spiritual truth..
You don't want to accept the fact that you have wasted your whole life believing and following Jesus..
Jesus is a Roman idol created by the Roman catholic /empire.. Don't be deceived, you were given a brain to dictect bullshit. Use it..

I gave you an opportunity and you presented your cow shit case to the effect that someone told you all that you claim and you lost me. Why?

Because it is not within anybody's knowledge the Truth of His creation and neither can he possess the True knowledge of his Creator, because he is a Creation or creature.

The Christ said the Unknown Pass-Words that Resolved my doubts and He went further to Prove it to me in Doing All that He did and saying All that he said!

And No One Else Has including you and neither am I looking for anyone else, For I Am Absolutely and Unshakably Convinced of My Profession in Christ Jesus, the Lord who is God Over man.

That is why I hold myself out for to see if there be any who can shake me or cause me to fall from my Profession in Christ.

And there be None, No Not One!

solite3:
Question: "What is the difference between faith and trust?"

Answer: Faith and trust have similar meanings, and often people will use the words interchangeably. Even Merriam-Webster defines faith as “belief and trust in and loyalty to God.” For most people there is no practical difference between faith and trust; to them, the two are synonymous. Any differences that exist are very fine.

One difference is simply grammatical. Trust can be either a noun or a verb, depending on context. As a noun, trust means “assured reliance on the character, ability, strength, or truth of someone or something”; as a verb, it means “to rely on the truthfulness or accuracy of,” “to believe,” “to commit or place in one’s care,” or “to place confidence.” Faith is always a noun (except in cases of its archaic use as a verb).

In Scripture, faith is defined as “the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen” (Hebrews 11:1). In other words, faith involves trusting in something you cannot explicitly prove. Faith is inseparable from trust; it’s the confidence that God can and will do what He says in His Word. Faith includes both intellectual assent to something and trust in it. So we believe something to be true, and we also place our trust in it—we rely on it. Faith recognizes that a chair is designed to support the person who sits on it, and trust demonstrates the faith by actually sitting in the chair.

Faith without trust is not faith. Belief without reliance is empty. Many people believe certain facts about Jesus Christ, but knowing those facts to be true is not what the Bible means by “faith.” The biblical definition of faith requires trust in—a commitment to—the facts.

An example of the relationship between faith and trust is a trust-fall. You have faith that your friends will catch you even though your back is turned to them. You believe they will not let you hit the ground. The act of falling—as the name of the exercise implies—is trust. You demonstrate the faith you have in your friends. Trust in God is a core aspect of biblical faith.

www.gotquestion.org.com

I respectfully disagree!

By the Bible, the Use and Meaning of faith is "Knowing and Understanding".

And after Knowing and Understanding, Proper "Trust" therefore Follows!

It is not empty mere belief but Action Based on Identified and Identifiable Truths Established and Grounded by the Lord Himself!

sonmvayina:
Am I right or wrong?

I am not your judge!

I only said that your PreSet Position that all these matters do not exist immediately bars you from commenting on it.

It is nonsensical to you to comment about the rightness or wrongness of a thing that does not exist, as you Claimed.

1StopRudeness:
Like I said u people give God a bad name ...cos u don’t juxtapose biblical account... what do U mean by God truly knew.??so God ddnt truly know before...??
If the son i.e Jesus, could tell word for word what Peter would do despite as humans we all have free will....so where does “truly knew”come in to the action of Abraham... so God doesn’t know fully until He had to tell Abraham to murder

Like I said the u earlier the New Testament made things a lot clearer......

Do you not know what "To see what they shall do" means and the implication or consequences thereof?

1StopRudeness:
U said angels excute instruction only:
in the book of luke when Zechariah doubted the message of Angel Gabriel, was it God that also instructed the angel to make the guy dumb till the delivery of John??
U guys think angels are zombies.....they are not.. they have mind of their own like humans.. and that’s why Satan chose to do contrary to God’s will.....

Before Zechariah, Exodus 23:21 already Clearly warns us how dangerous it is to slip up in the presence of an Angel and all the various encounters with an Angel have always been fearful.

Angels are Very Dangerous! But they come to you Because, they have been sent by God, if not, they would not come.

1StopRudeness:
See a lot of accounts in the Bible especially genesis is very vague...and I noticed the writers substituted angel for lord ... Lord and God doesn’t exactly mean the same things in some context...
e.g see Gen 18v20-21 ..And the Lord said, Because the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah is great and their sin is exceedingly grievous,
I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether vilel and wicked as is the cry of it which has come to Me; and if not, I will know. .... so tell me... so God does not know...?? So he has to come down and know??

Same thing in genesis 18 where 3visitors appears to abraham... the Bible started that chapter with “the Lord” like it’s jyst one person... are those three visitors God all together....they even ate the food Sarah prepared.... does God eat..??

When the Bible says the Lord or Lord God, it Truly Always meant the Lord Who is God over man.

The Lord God Also Rules over Angels and they carry out His Instructions. Exodus 23:23/Mathew 24:30/31.

petra1:
Read the Bible, act on it ..

Yes this is True but one element is remaining, "Understanding", if not, it would not work and then people thereafter say it does not work and all the other shits they defecate.

1StopRudeness:
Lets stop giving God a bad name..promotion exam?? What does that even mean...
.. so when Peter denied Christ three times he wasn’t promoted... he had to repeat class...?? Please tell me...??

I Represent God and I understand very many of His Actions. It is wicked people who already Pre-desire to view the Lord as wicked, that Construe All His Acts and Words wickedly and in a wicked light.

You already know that this was not an exam but rather A Clear Event to Show Peter that he was not as strong as he thought he was.

1StopRudeness:
The Bible is full of ambiguous accounts and statements... the reason is because humans wrote them out of personal premise and their interaction with God that was to big for them to comprehend in ful....man isn't perfect.....and that’s why it’s important to juxtapose other biblical accounts...

This is Not True, it is Rather Very Precisely Written but It Requires "Understanding" to fully comprehend it.

And that particular "Understanding" to Comprehend the Bible, Comes From the Lord Himself and it is Given By Him ONLY and it Can Never Be Acquired or Obtained or Attained.

It is a Gift!

1StopRudeness:
I’m sure u have read the Bible well... God doesn’t tempt people with evil..The book of James made that clear... he ddnt need to tell Abraham to murder his son as a test to promote him or know how loyal Abraham’s heart was.....

The Lord does not do evil, so therefore, He can not test with evil and all the tests of God had no evil in them and we're not once, evil.

And it was Always "A Watch and See what ye shall do" situation.

Which was why when He saw that Abraham was going to do what He Commanded and that Abraham Truly Knew Him, He Quickly and Promptly Stopped him (Abraham) by Sending an Angel and Blessed him Massively for Passing such a very hard exam.

Which was the same thing He did with Job!

1StopRudeness:
So two things was likely involved in the account if Genesis.

1)Abraham likely misinterpreted God’s word when he told him he will use his descendant to save his people. Abraham assumed it was the sacrificing of Isaac God was talking about....Not knowing it was Jesus...( let us remember, Abraham ddnt write the account of genesis, someone else did hundreds of years later... and the Old Testament writers attributed every occurrence to God..the New Testament made things clearer .)

2) an angel was the one testing Abraham... because if you go to verse 11 if genesis 22, it said, An angel appeared and said don’t lay hands on the child, now I know u fear God.... if it was God talking, why isn’t that statement “now I know u fear me”

Wrong on both counts.

Abraham knew many many things but he did not know for sure how and the way and manner God's Word shall be fulfilled Only the fact that it shall must come to pass.

And (2) an Angel of God and from God can not test. He Executes the Instructions of God.

desiredhome:
Please who is a True Believer or how do I know who a True Believer in our Nigeria of today?

By their fruits, ye shall know them.

desiredhome:
It's your character that will convince/convert the unbeliever to Christ, so when you are worst off than the unbeliever how then can you preach to them?

Our Lord God spoke to the His Village people and kinsmen, they attempted killing Him neither did they convert.

He spoke to the Scribes and Pharisees and even did never before seen things that were good and miracles in their presence, yet they did not convert but rather sought to kill Him, which they eventually did.

He who wants to the walk in the way of the Lord, shall do so without much prompting because the way of Lord is seen by all and known by all.

twhy111:
Why would a God who created you without clothes send you to hell for indecent dressing?

He's omnipotent and omnipresent, which means he knew everything how they started and how everything will end. So if the God knows one would end up in hell why send the person to earth in the first place?

He Knows That if you want to do that which you like to do, you would do it, whether it is good or not.

Like a Parent, He is always Watching us to See, which one, ye shall do. And like a parent, Scores are Awarded.

And Awards shall be Given at Periodically Until the day of the Grand Award Ceremony.

Good Awards for Good Acts of your choosing and evil Awards for evil acts of your own choosing.

So, He knows all things and He knows that if you wanted to Live Well and Enjoy Good Things, You will do all those things that brings only Good things, If You Wanted It and that is why He Judges you, because you wanted it, in keeping with His Tradition of Giving you what you desired, wanted and requested for.

twhy111:
For so God so love the world, he loves us but yet created hell fire for his loving children, I thought his love is agape love? Why set up a child for eternal destruction even when you love him?

Where you not told the things that He Hates eg the Proud , a Liar, a killer of the innocent, A Person that Plans Wicked Things, A Person that is quick to do Wickedness, A Person who Knowing the Truth tells a lie, and A Person who makes people Fight and Quarrel?

Can anyone who does these things be called a "Loving Child?" No, not one, he is surely A Wicked Person, Who Hates God and therefore God Hates him too, Equation balance, 1-1.

Anyone who does these things, can never be his children, so therefore, He shall not be destroying His Children.

When would Nigerians get that "Science" means "To Study, Observe and Act?"

When Would my people pay full attention to that which they read?

You Do Not Find Him, for you can never leave where He placed you after He created you.

It is Rather, He, Who Comes to you. You can never go to Him.

He has already pre-installed in you your spiritual bluetooth/wifi which if you PROPERLY ACTIVATE and wait, He can therefore connect to you

But you are going to have to wait for His Connection to be Established, Security and Verification passwords and all.

sonmvayina:
The gospel of Mathew... I knew at once when he mention that "a virgin will give birth.. In reference to the Isaiah story.. I know he was lying.. Isaiah was talking about his wife and his soon to be born son, as a sign and assurance for king Ahaz that the two kings plotting against him will not succeed..I knew that the Jesus story was questionable.. Much letter I discovered he never even existed.. Just a made up character..

You have no right to speak about Mathew and Isaiah, you said they do not exist because they are Jewish histories and a fabrication.

So based on your Biased and Pre-judgded position on the Bible, these things do not concern you and your comments are Prohibited here, for as a child you do not know what you say neither are you in a position to say that it is untrue.

marvrick:
The account of the journey of Abraham into Canaan is filled with contradictions and outright impossibilities that makes it quite unbelievable. Take for example the king of Gerardo finding old Sarah still attractive despite the fact that the Bible already cast her as old and already way past menopause in an earlier verse.

So a whole king of Gerar, a philistine land cannot find more beautiful and younger women for his pleasure?

I do not know what you read but Sarah was very very beautiful and I know you and I have seen very beautiful women who were still beautiful even past their 50's, so that it is not unusual.

I know you are a womaniser, so surely, you know that the desiring of beautiful women is not restricted by age and youth or ability to birth a child, as even Proven by Romans and Sexuality Section in Nairaland here.

And a king knows that too, so nothing unusual here either.

marvrick:
And what about Abraham? Was the Bible right in calling Isaac Abraham's only son?

Yes it is, for we see that Abraham INTENDED to stay loyal to his True Wife (as a man thinketh, so is he). Therefore, his true son is the son born of his wife as he had AT ALL TIMES INTENDED!

And it is reported that he had only one son, in Accordance With His True Intention, Therefore the Bible account is True and in order.

marvrick:
Also, should Abraham's unquestioning execution of God's command a sign of his loyalty or should we conclude that his seeming trust/faith was simply because he knew he would still have one son even after offering Isaac?

What you do not see is that by that time, Abraham had accommolated a great amount of information about Who God was and is, which God saw and therefore Examined him, to see if Abraham Truly Knew what he (Abraham) had learnt about Him.

Again, Nothing unusual about this