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haekymbahdx:
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What is the fate of christainity without the death of christ and who brought the doctrine of Jesus dieing for sin of the world?

You mean the fate of all man, not Christianity as you said.

The One thing that Always Patiently Waits for man, The Judgement of man whether he knew to do Good that Good may be done to him or whether he did evil that evil may go to him.

Ah finish, finally!

haekymbahdx:
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The death of Jesus who benefited , who lost (Jews, christains, muslims) is it something to be happy about?

I have answered this

haekymbahdx:
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Can God redeem mankind without blood sacrifice?

Man has lost His Life through offence, therefore a Life must be lost for the benefit of man so that man may keep His.

Hillsong music- So Will I verse 3

"And as You speak
A hundred billion failures disappear
Where You lost Your life so I could find it here
If You left the grave behind You so will I
I can see Your heart in everything You've done
Every part designed in a work of art called love
If You gladly chose surrender so will I
I can see Your heart
Eight billion different ways
Every precious one
A child You died to save
If You gave Your life to love them so will I

haekymbahdx:
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I believe he only died on the cross because the people that didnt believe him were more the those that did what if it was the other way round

The stage was set, if not He would not have come. The Lord does not do a vanity!

haekymbahdx:
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Do you think God was happy that Jesus died on the cross. Jesus said "Father forgive them for they dont know what they are doing".?

Every dying hurts the Lord, even a necessary one which is why He measures or Judges if it was rightful and good or wrongful.

haekymbahdx:
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Was Jesus himself happy he said "My God, My God why have you forsaken me (abandoned, leave)

Did you not see his distress before His arrest, even His Countenance or Spirit, changed!

haekymbahdx:
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What is the difference between the belief of Jews who killed Jesus on the cross and christians who are also happy that he died ?

When you condemn a wicked man for his Wickedness and spoil al his works, shall he not come after your life? So is the tradition of the people who killed our Lord, just as they did kill His servants.

No True christian would be happy about the death of an innocent.

haekymbahdx:
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Would Christains have killed Jesus themselves so he can redeem them or he would have willingly allowed himself to be slaughtered by christains?

Every True Christian knoweth the Lord, such that his sins would be few and almost nonexistent and as such the Lord would find something acceptable about him with which He can use to forgive his little and far between offences.

haekymbahdx:
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Was he sent to die or to preach the gospel, or he forsee that they were going to kill him?

Dying was His Last Function. His Primary Aim
and Goal was to Make Us Know the many things that we ought to know, so that if we want to Live and choose to Live, and not Die, we Must Do These Things!

haekymbahdx:
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What was the theme of the gospel jesus preched when he was on earth and what is the fate of people that believed in the gospel and died before Jesus was nailed on the cross?

If you want to Live and Live Well and Not die, "Do These Things I Tell You!"

haekymbahdx:
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What would be your belief as a christian had Jesus not died on the cross?

The dying is for the Forgiveness of Offences given to God, which means like Job and all the other people outside Isreal, who Pleased the Lord, I would be doing something which I know that Should the Lord look upon me, He would find pleasure in it and Forgive me and Bless me.

haekymbahdx:
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If Jesus didnt die on the cross would christainity exist or continuation of Judaism or islam

Since Isreal did not do well in following the Lord, we around the world would have continued in our diverse search of discovering the Lord or doing whatever we were doing as we individually or collectively know to do, having No Knowledge Of Who the Lord is, His Rule and Judgement and many other things which we ought to know!

haekymbahdx:
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Do you believe Jesus completed is mission or it was cut short because he said "i have a lot to say but ye cannot bear them now)?

Oh yes! And like Daniel's Vision, He knew that they would not be able to comprehend it at that time.

haekymbahdx:
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what would have happened if the jews actually accepted him would he have told the jews to kill him by himself so the sacrifice can be complete

If they were going to accept Him, they would have been listening to the Prophets and then He would not come for they would have been the example every nation would want to replicate or suffer a loss of people who shall all throng to Isreal.

haekymbahdx:
[size=8pt][/size] If you were to be one of the disciples and present on that day will you jubilate and celebrate with the evil ones that jesus died for your sin (Easter festival)?

The Disciples at that time did not understand and neither would i, the only thing that they knew was that He Was The Son of God, Saviour, As Was Foretold.

But how He shall save, they were yet to understand at that time.

haekymbahdx:
[size=8pt][/size] What is the essence of is death on the cross, should i be happy or sad that a God sent was killed on the cross?

The Essence of the death is a replication of the the Life Saving Miracle where after the People had variously and diversely offended the Lord, And The Lord poured His Anger unto death upon them, by the prayer of Mercy and Forgiveness offered up to the Lord by Moses, the Lord Commanded Moses to LIFT UP A SERPENT, that Whosoever looks upon it shall not die but live.

So also was the lifting up of the Lord, on the Cross.

haekymbahdx:
[size=8pt][/size]To redeem mankind does Jesus have to die?

No and yes.

No, because it is Life that gives Life!

Yes because, of the Commandment of the Cleansing and Forgiveness of Sin, which involves a Holy and Unblemished death!

The Jews sought to kill Him and they did, the first Christians followed Him and did all that He Taught!

MusicSots:
This man! Who are you?You are always on point. Thumbs up sire.

I am sure the only thing you heard is "God does not send people to hell" which you like.

0temSapien:
Can you pls tell me the story concerning the most high you are talking about? If it is the Bible story, then you don't know what God Almighty is.

I am a creation like you, so it is impossible for any of us to know what our Creator is Like, His Origin, His True Name, His Address and Country etc and no man on earth can Truly Answer these questions because No Matter how intelligent A Corolla is, it Can Never Ever know Anything about Mr Toyoda, neither can it tell where he lives or any other personal information about Mr Toyoda!

Brachaa:
Okay guys. My bad. I'm sorry. Didn't really mean it that way. Wasn't really mocking the op for falling into a ditch but her story was just funny to me. Girls things. But you guys misconstrued me and are taking it to another level!!!.

I'm sorry guys. Please I retract my statesment.

I know! I believe everyone here is perceiving that Proverbs 1:24-26 is what went down in this case!

Brachaa:
What did I say wrong here. Please correct me.

Respectfully, Proverbs 17:5 ( b)
": and he that is glad at calamities shall not be unpunished."

But I perceive the real reason why you laugh! Proverbs 1:24-26. Let's Just leave it like that!

1StopRudeness:
Do u know how deep 13 feet is..?? This lady is claiming she fell into a hole broke her knee, meaning she’s was in serious pain..... screaming for help and her father’s employee not a random street guy decided to mock her for over 30mins.

Dude!!!!! this is all shades of madeup story or an exaggeration of what happened...

Yep, 13ft is deep I think it is survivable.

Brachaa:
Buahahahahaaaa.... Very hilarious.

Keep blaspheming until you fall into a 100ft ditch where there won't be anyone in site to call out to. Then you will call on the Most High God who will now prove His existence to you.

Remember the man who boasted that even God cannot sink the "great" Titanic? What happened few hours later? God proved himself strong and mighty. And the Titanic plunged into the deep.

Give your life to Christ now before it is too late.
Jesus cares more than you care about yourself.

Shalom.

This is Not Right and permitted by God!

kingxsamz:
Maybe you missed the part where the man asked her to say the Lord's prayer and told her to call Jesus to save her soul.
I don't believe the story anyway.

It is an indication of his why (hence the Presumption) but until we hear from him, we would not be certain. (Which is why it remains a Presumption)

0temSapien:
Everything you're talking about here is based on the cock and bull story of Jehovah and his cronies. It was a philosophy they developed with their little intelligence in a bid for humanity not to know what God Almighty is.

The truth of it is that Jehovah and all other gods of religions combined are more tiny than a microscopic organism when compared with God Almighty(Totality of Existence). They think they can con humans forever, but I'm happy our eyes are rapidly getting opened.

We know that you are another case that exist here in Nairaland and from your present statement "God Almighty (Totality of Existence)" it would appear that we have similar origins.

While you say with "God Almighty(Totality of Existence)" in addition to that we call Him, the Highest or the Most High!

Maximus69:
Genesis 3:19
Romans 6:7, 23
Is enough for me to make my own PERSONAL opinion on the matter Sir!

Sorry, sir, this is how you went round and round trying to justify your view with the above cited passages and more, which I dislodged. Then you flew to other passages, which I again dislodged until you fled back to where we started from, then I left off arguing with you.

kingxsamz:
Not everyone serves your god, and other religious folks also think their god is the one and only true god. That is why you should set religion /god aside when dealing with reality.
Respect people abeg.
The man did wrong because of his religious beliefs, it's something a lot of Christians would do.

The man did wrong is quite clear, why he did wrong is unknown for which it is only him who can explain it, in the interest of fair hearing.

So your comment here is out of line for being unfairly judged, presumptuous and inflammatory!

donnie:
Correct.

Okay, let me add another one, Possessions! People can love their possessions eh, clothes, shoes, bags, Phones, Cars, etc. They'll choose death than to lose any one of these!

Queenlovely:
I am a well known atheist in my hood, I don't hide it especially in Nigeria . it's my identity and it gives me joy watching religious people cring when I say " THERE IS NO GOD" .

when I am in the mood, I argue, when I am not I ignore and let it pass, I am well versed in the Koran , talmad, bible. my father is agnostic by the way.

So last week I visited an estate my father was building along lugbe express way, behold I fell into a 13 ft hole. I was shouting for help and the site engineer heard my voice. he refused to help me out of the hole, I was basically crying since I have broken my knee joint, he was just staring down the hole and asking me to call atheist Jesus to help me, it played like this for almost 30 minutes.

He changed the condition by commanding me to say the Lord's prayer, and Lord Jesus save my soul today. being a practical lady I did as he said but I will deal with him later.

my father got the idiot arrested for 3 days until I pleaded with him to let go.

This Nigeria spiritual people will not kill me oh. tufia

Even if you met the man called Jesus Christ and saw all that He did and heard all that He said, you would still be what and who you choose to be like the Pharisees and Scribes.

Sorry for your fall and travail, the man who you met is not one of us for if he was, he would have known that it is Always the Will of God that reasonable Goodness and Mercy be done to all persons, good or not, Christian or not, like the sun and rain falls on both the good and the wicked, the christian and the atheist.

kingxsamz:
Religious fanatics are dumb.
As if believing in God would have prevented you from entering that hole.

All who Trust in the Lord God Walketh surely and firmly.

I have seen another category of Idols under the sun: yea, two have I seen.

Those who Paper called money is their god and those who pastor is their god.

sonmvayina:
In your face trinitarians..

. Oh, You are a character!

Major001:
The most dangerous aspect of atheism is this: by saying you don't believe in the existence of God...you're actually proclaiming yourself to be God.

And this is the zenith of self and pride. The very same vile features that engulfed Lucifer (now Satan)...and resulted in his expulsion from Heaven.

What goes before pride? A nasty fall.

By not believing in the existence of God...the atheist has made himself out to be not just a god... but Almighty God.

If you're an atheist, satanist or scientologist reading this; I deeply urge you to have a rethink.

You didn't create earth or other planets, or any of the billions of galaxis out there. You didn't create yourself. You didn't who your mother or parents or nationality was going to be before you were born. You can't keep yourself from feeling pain or getting sick. Most importantly... you can't keep yourself from dying. It's quite ironic not to accept God's existence... yet accept the inevitability of death...an irrevocable experience over which you have absolutely no power.

And if you are in some sort of covenant with satan...it's not worth it. He has already lost. And he's already been judged. His fate is sealed. His final destination remains the Lake of Fire.

But you still haven't been judged. Today is another opportunity to accept Jesus as your Saviour and Lord. Do not harden your heart.

This is not about joining a religion; it's about having a relationship with God...which guarantees you an eternal place in His Kingdom.

There is an afterlife. You don't die and cease to exist. No. Far from it. You're both Spirit and Body. This life (physical) is meant to prepare you for the next life (spiritual).

No one can guarantee your heart won't stop beating in the next five minutes.

Time is short. Death is sure. Eternity awaits us all.

No amount of mockery, jesting, abuse, insult or careless talk can change these truths.

Over 200,000 people die every 24 hours. You may become a part of that statistics today. This may very well be the last write-up you read before you close your eyes in time and open them in eternity.

Choose life...choose Jesus Christ...today.

Respectfully, Sceptics and Satanist are not always the same, though all Satanist are Sceptics but not all Sceptics are Satanist.

Satanist are pure undiluted Wickedness and Evil of the worst kind but Sceptics may vary from pure evil to reasonable critics.

Maximus69:
Hell simply means grave!

God never designed any place of torment, that is the idea of Greek philosopher Plato.
What God told Adam is "you're from the dust and you will return to dust" Genesis 3:19

God's word said no matter the kind of sin anyone commits, death is the ultimate punishment {Romans 6:23} once a person dies he has been discharged of any sin he committed {Romans 6:7} so it's either the person is remembered by God perhaps his case is still considerable but if not such a person will not be remembered for resurrection! Malachi 3:16

With respect do I say that I know you choose to believe this Lie because you like it rather than the True Alternative of Living in Eternal Torment which is Clearly And Expressly Spelt out Severally Across the Bible!

Therefore you teach people to accept this Lie, which I once challenged you, but you could never ground it, but rather you were flying all over the place seeking a place to rest but not finding any.

But everyone is entitled to make their own choice, after all it is their own peril.

Ours is to lay the facts that we live in to be True for their informed opinion!

twhy111:
No matter how bad a child is, he's still your child, it does not change how you feel towards him and you'd never set him up for doom all because he's bad.

Ah! Missus, You have been Deceived and Misled. God loves His children because the children are Good children and are supposed to be Good children, FOR HE MADE THEM GOOD CHILDREN from the beginning!

Now, God has always hated bad and wicked things and He has always destroyed wicked things, which is His Tradition and it is Known!

So therefore How shall He bear wicked children?
Even People (Angels) who were greater than the children of men, when they Messed Up, He, in pain has Imprisoned them for His Final Judgement which may bring their Peril.

If He did that to Persons Greater than man, how then shall children of men who do these same things, not get the same fate and end?

Shall He be a fair and impartial Judge who Punished the Greater and let go the lesser who committed the same crime? No, He shall not be and shall never be.

He shall Always be a Just and Equal Judge!

Anyone who does these wicked things hates God and God shall in pain hate them and shall painfully give them their desire.

For by no stretch of Goodness should a good man be given a wicked thing, so also should a
is it sound judgement that a wicked Person can not get a good thing. As no one who is good would give his baby, sniper instead of milk or give a stone instead of meat pie!

This is a Judgement we all know too well that it is Sound and Good and True!

MrMystrO:
Lovely thread Ladyhippolyta88. I would like to present my contribution as simple and understandable as it can be but i still fear some concepts i might use might not be easily understandable but i will give it a try. First of all are you familiar the the concept of paradoxes? i personally call them Eternal Cycles. On an earlier thread of mine i talked about paradoxes as being ideas or Questions that doesn't belong to our normal default 3 Dimensional realm of understanding and as such makes them unable to be grasped by the human mind. i also said "In Eternal cycles, the two Parent forces of life meet and everything at this state is considered One with Each other. At this point it becomes impossible for the human mind to fully Grasp such phenomenons because our existence is on the Third Dimensional plane which is vigorously grounded in Duality"


With being said, I personally believe The key to understanding this question is Understanding paradoxes.

In Our understanding of Reality, Everything is grounded on duality, Opposites or Polarity.
Its Either
Yes or No
Good or Bad
Wrong or Right
Light or darkness..e.t.c.

But what if there is a State that Transcends this type of reality? What if there is a state where all is neutral.. Where the two polarities become One.. Where it is possible to BE and also NOT BE?... Sorry to drag your mind into this weird Zone but this is the territory of the Question you're asking. The concept of Destiny is a paradox, just as the concept of God and Eternity are also paradoxes. You just can't understand them with the human Reality of Duality and Polarity.

Thank God you said what if! And that is why your proposition falls because "what if" always means it is Uncertain and unsettlled and it could be false and a Lie, which I know it is.

So bye bye Triliality or Paradox or whatever name it can be called, we deal with living reality.

You are either in a paid employment or you do not have a paid employment; either inside the house or outside it etc

CAPSLOCKED:

IF A MAN GROWS UP TO BECOME A THIEF, IT IS ALL GOD'S PLAN.
IF A CHILD IS MOLESTED, IT IS ALL GOD'S PLAN.
THE FULANI HERDSMEN KILLING CITIZENS OF NIGERIA IS ALL GOD'S PLAN.

When a man grows up, he chooses what he shall be.

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WE SHOULD STOP FIGHTING CRIME AND TERRORISM BECAUSE IT'S ALL GOD'S PLAN.
WE SHOULD IGNORE MEN WHO BULLY THEIR WIVES AND INNOCENT GIRLS ON THE STREET BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IS GOD'S WILL. WHATEVER GOD SAYS WILL HAPPEN, WILL HAPPEN. WHATEVER HE SAYS WONT HAPPEN, WONT HAPPEN. SO GOD COMMANDS EVERYTHING TO HAPPEN

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God Clearly said destroy wicked people and do not tolerate them or allow them in your camps.

You told Him you knew better than Him. So struggling with wicked people and complaining about Wickedness is the better you chose.

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IF YOU OPPOSE THIS (DON'T EVEN SAY "FREEWILL" ), YOU WILLFULLY CONCEDE THAT MERE MAN CAN ALTER GOD'S PLANS.

THIS IMPLIES THAT GOD IS NOT ALL PERFECT, SINCE MERE HUMANS CAN ALTER HIS "DIVINE PLAN", AND CHANGE HIS WILL.

THERE'S NO REASON TO BELIEVE OR WORSHIP SUCH A CHARACTER.

There are always 2 types of Plans to wit Breakable Plans and Unbreakable Plans!

How many of you here do realise that Destiny refers to Destination?

And if Destination, which one of us has had full control in charting our diverse destinations from our birth?

And when we grow, surely you could choose your destination, but of your choices, which one was the best good for you?

The Mighty Difference Between The Lord and The-Wicked is that God only Applies Reasonable Permissible Pressure and Influences in your Choices but the-evil will Never Let Up (if you do not tell him to get out) Until You Choose his choice.

But when God leaves you alone, you will drive yourself, by yourself. And whatever you see, na you get am and na you go carry am!