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Maximus69:
Humans are Souls just like any other creatures, so as they die and are forgotten that's the same thing that happens to us! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

Even after I have explained that NO ONE KNEW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SOUL WHEN IT DIES, for God DID NOT REVEAL IT TO ANYONE UNTIL DANIEL CAME?

Go your way, for I will never speak beyond the Law, which I have already told you, but you do not wish to hear it , you can go your way.

I leave you with the words of David, Beloved and Friend of God, Father of the Foolish Solomon, whom David Taught to All that he should know,
yet the stupid boy did not continue in keeping with his teachings and Instructions but departed from following the Lord. Who thereafter died without obtaining the Mercy of God and whom you are now following;

"there is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof, are the ways of death" Proverbs 14:12. And

"He that refuseth Instruction, despiseth his own soul: but he that geteth (proofs and) reproof(s) getteth understanding.

Aha! our Thoughts even report themselves to God, by either Accusing Us Before Him or Explaining Our Innocency to Him. Romans 2:15 and 16.

Maximus69:
@bolded is 100%

Life is what all of us are enjoying now!

Death is nothingness, non-existence! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

There is no escaping the Law. Ecclesiastes is still saying the beginning of this debate which I have shown you by Law, the end thereof.

What you did not know is that from Noah up until Daniel, know one knew what happened to the soul after Death.

But Daniel, finally now Reveals to us, God's Plan for the Soul (Daniel 12: 2).

Maximus69:
God told Adam the first man that he will die {Genesis 3:19} and that's the law affecting all of us till now! Romans 5:12

Adam died and nothing survives Adam's body as Satan promised them saying "you will not really die" {Genesis 3:4} it's you that's now mimicking Satan's word, God's word told Adam "if you eat the forbidden fruit will die" {Genesis 2:17} and Adam die completely!

After lying and all the journeys till we got to the end of the argument, you have gone back to the beginning again

The Law of Life and Death will still not Change.

Do all that you know, that is good and the Lord shall Judge your work and give thee your Due Reward!

LordReed:
So why did your god do nothing when that lady was raped and murdered in church?

He would handle all things when He is Ready. On the Day Set by The Court, Everyone would be brought before the Most High Judge and All will be Settled, both the Killer or killers and the killed.

Every Soul waits for the Most High Judge!

Maximus69:
I thought you said it's only the body that die nah!

Why are you saying soul will awake, awake for what again?

Sebi you said it's the body that die, "all souls shall live"

Ol boy, when did I ever say it is only the body that shall die?

Biko, no dey Lie, now! Hian!

You don't have to continue, all we have been proving to you is that when the soul dies, it shall arise for Judgement, to get either Eternal Good Life or Eternal Torment Life!

This is the Law!

Maximus69:
God's word says "SOUL DIES" Ezekiel 18:4

Not in issue for They Shall Die, then Awake to Judgement, Then those who did well, will get well which is Everlasting Life of Goodness and Wellness.

Those who did evil, will get Everlasting Life of Shame, Torment and Damnation!

There is no Nothingness Anywhere for Any Soul.

This is the Law of Life and Death!

Daejoyoung:
ok, is it just to keep someone burning for all eternity because he told a lie just before he died, even though he was a christian all his life, and then admit someone who was a rapist, killer, etc into heaven for all eternity because he confessed jesus as lord on his deathbed?
Is this justice? if so, how?

I do not understand please explain?
Who lied before dying? And who is the rapist, killer?

triplechoice:
Because when we buy a Toyota car from a car dealer, the manufacturers don't get involved or try to monitor how will use the car everyday

Now since this is the case,why are we worried about God.We is it difficult to take responsibility for our actions without involving God punishing us or not.

If you buy a Toyota car and damge it in an accident through reckless driving, the car dealer or manufacturer will not stop you from buying a new one.In fact they are happy that you come again and again to buy from them

So you see, your Toyota analogy does not fit
The question has an answer but you cannot accept it because it is not within the scope of your current religious point of view

Also you are making a second error in not understanding that Mr. Toyoda the maker of Toyota is your Brother, Not the Toyota Car.

You and your brother are equal and you can buy his products and do whatever you like with them.

He can not complain, since you have purchased it.

But your Father Above the 2 of you has Great Power to stop him from selling to you, or He can also stop you from buying the car or any other decision He feels like Making, just as we do to our children on earth.

But the Bottom Line is that He shall affect the 2 of you, and we need Him to do so, else we go kill ourselves over matter.

triplechoice:
Then we don't need God at all.

Let everyone take responsibility for what they do.
. We should not involve God in anything that we do.

Because when we buy a Toyota car from a car dealer, the manufacturers don't get involved or try to monitor how will use the car everyday

Now since this is the case,why are we worried about God.We is it difficult to take responsibility for our actions without involving God punishing us or not.

If you buy a Toyota car and damge it in an accident through reckless driving, the car dealer or manufacturer will not stop you from buying a new one.In fact they are happy that you come again and again to buy from them

So you see, your Toyota analogy does not fit
The question has an answer but you cannot accept it because it is not within the scope of your current religious point of view

Oh we surely do need God, for first we are His Children and a Good Father Always oversees the conducts of His Children and Even also Partakes in their activities e.g playing, dancing, laughter, joy and happiness and All the Good Things.

As seen among us.

So also can He Not Remove Himself when His Children behave badly one to another, and one of His Children is Crying Out that Another of His Children is doing him a wrong or an evil thing.

Or He even Sees when one child is planning to carryout a wicked thing upon another child, as a father, would you not intervene when you see these things?

This is even aside the settlement of conflict between the children, shall you as a Father not intervene and take action when you see these things, as we even do on earth?

Daejoyoung:
I am asking you as a human who believe this is what the creator would do, from your own God given human conscience, is it just to you? Or didn't God give you a conscience to differentiate what could be right and wrong? or is God a dictator who cannot be questioned?
If it was God's intention not to be questioned by humans, then surely he would have made humans robots.

With great Joy Do I Tell you that I have seen for a Truth that ALL THE JUDGEMENTS OF GOD ARE RIGHT AND ARE ALWAYS RIGHT AND SHALL FOREVER BE RIGHT AND JUST.

They are even far better than what judgements man can ever give. They are Always Just Is or Just Right!

I challenge you to pick any of His Judgements, let us look at it together.

triplechoice:
No. You have not answered it before.

Only a mad man will act the way you
have decribed and when that happens you cannot blame Toyota.

I have answered it before (with other persons) and now you have also helped me answer as Code Templar answered even just yesterday, Saturday the 30th May.

If he can not blame Toyota as You have Said, he can not blame God!

That's what he ought to teach his children, which is also summarised in the words called Taking Responsibility and Liability or Praise for All your Actions and Inactions!

Curiously Responsibility comes from Response-Able meaning Able To Respond!

Maximus69:
OK my noble fellow, i disagree with your explanation because it's Adamic sin that made us sinners NOT Noah's Sir! Roman 5:12

I never said Noah's sin oh!

I am saying that Adam Destroyed Our Perfect Nature and our Propensity to Do Only Good, as God had Earlier Created Us by Bringing in Evil into A Good Soul as a Disease which now makes all of 'Us Sick' and therefore we Die. This is not in debate.

What we are contesting what happens to the soul of man now after Death! And we clearly saying that No Soul is going to Nothingness (as you said) but they shall Rise up to Face Judgement and thereafter, some will LIVE TO GET EVERLASTING LIFE.

SOME WILL LIVE TO GET EVERLASTING SHAME AND CONTEMPT AND TORMENT

The Common Factor is ALL SOULS SHALL LIVE!

Daniel 12:2;

Mathew 25:46

Revelations 20: 12-15

Op, how is that after all these years, you still did not know the answer and you could not teach your child the same?

Courtesy Code Templar
"Blaming God for suffering (your sins) will be like a man who buys a brand new Toyota Camry, fuels it with acid and pepper against Toyota's instruction, then blames Toyota for the break down of the vehicle."

We have all answered this question before!

This is a Truer and Accurate heading.

Maximus69:
You have not explained how the holy God who sentenced Adam the first sinner to death as in return to dust {Genesis 3:19} now resolved to keeping Adam's descendants in a place of torment for all eternity Sir!

I answered above:

God has since changed the plan. For Adam and ALL WORLD and the God's Plan, died with Adam and the World, Then.

A New World and New Plan was made for Man and Noah is now our Adam. All the former things you are standing on were washed away with the old world And Fresh Instructions were thereafter, Given by God and MODIFIED, CHANGED, AMENDED MANY THINGS. Which till today Remain. Genesis 9: 1-7.

So Genesis 3: 19 is Gone Forever, Now it is LAKE OF FIRE!

Daejoyoung:
Is that judgement to you? shouldn't judgement be just? shouldn't the God of all the earth do right? how is keeping people in fire for all eternity ( not even a trillion years) for one lie they told just before they died, be just? does it make any sense to you?

What!
You who does not know what rightness and justice and Judgement is wants to DICTATE to your Creator, Who Gave you these things?

Can your children in Your house Teach You and Instruct You, what Righteousness and Justice and Judgement is?

From whom shall they learn it from, if not from You or from another You? Certainly not from their fellow children!

Maximus69:
Revelations is what Jesus revealed to John (Apostle) it is not to be understood literally, otherwise you have to explain all the symbols mentioned in the Bible book to prove you know what was written their!

Do you want me to list symbolic features mentioned in that book whether you can explain what they represent (mean)?

Well people will be resurrected back from the dead, they will be given the privilege to exercise faith in Jesus (which majority of mankind never had the opportunity) those who accept Jesus will be given the antidote of death so they can continue live forever but those who still rejects Jesus' teaching by then will be destroyed for God. That's the import of Revelations 20:13-15

But instead of blindly arguing, why not go back to the beginning and think of what God told Adam the first and foremost sinner {Romans 5:12} whose sin brought suffering, sickness and death upon the human race? Genesis 3:19

God told Adam "you will return to dust" so will Adam (the first sinner) be tormented forever or return to non-existence?

My Misled Fellow, you obviously have not received the memo that God has since changed the plan. For Adam and ALL WORLD and the God's Plan, died with Adam and the World, Then.

A New World and New Plan was made for Man and Noah is now our Adam. All the former things you are standing on were washed away with the old world And Fresh Instructions were thereafter, Given by God and MODIFIED, CHANGED, AMENDED MANY THINGS. Which till today Remain. Genesis 9: 1-7.

So Genesis 3: 19 is Gone Forever, Now it is LAKE OF FIRE!

Maximus69:
Please what has this got to do with keeping creatures made in God's image in excruciating torment
not for a day,
not for a month,
not for a year
not even for the life time of the offender perhaps to equate his sin but for all eternity?
Even humans only kill criminals who commits horrible crimes or give them life sentence, at least to keep them away from others.
So can you explain what is holy in the idea of giving a criminal a punishment that's unimaginably to expensive due to the crime he committed for a life time?

Remember that even this so called evildoers don't do what you call evil throughout their lifetime! There are times they often make people happy, and what about someone who only refused to accept Jesus but lived all his/her life doing what he/she feels is good?

Sorry Sir, there is practically no scriptural backings for a holy God to stoop so low!

That is why even the Angels of God SHOUTED, Woe! WOe!! WOE!!! to the people on earth, for more Deadly Beginnings of Judgements were still coming to man!

That's the Power of Every Judgement! It crushes lesser things!

Maximus69:
Clear statement that's based on man-made doctrines and traditions!

Please quote God's word and substantiate with reasonings not just what your Pastors infused in your brains!

I was a Muslim and the teaching of Hellfire goes down well with Muslims too, but the fact remains that it's Hellfire adherents who lacks FAITH in doing God's work with zeal and industriousness whereas Jehovah's Witnesses who doesn't hold such opinion are doing the work Jesus ordered during both rain and sunshine! Matthew 10:3-15, 24:14, 28:19-20

So ask yourself "what is the purpose of the faith you have when there is no work to show for it?" James 2:18-26

Which question would you want me to answer; 1) Proof of Death by Living in Very Hot Torment Forever? Answer Revelations 20: From verses 13-15. And Revelations 21:8.

2) Proof of my work in and for God? , sorry man, my work is of no concern of yours, for You would not be the one to mark or grade it, whether I pass or I fail.

It is between me and My Creator, My Examiner.

Maximus69:
Thanks Sir.

Can you now refute what the Bible teaches regarding God's holiness?

Because the word HOLY means pure.

It's impossible for someone HOLY to plan EVIL in his heart {Jeremiah 32:35} that's why he often gives his angels instructions to go and examine how Mankind is doing things so that if it's getting out of hand, his angels will exterminate them {Genesis 18:20-21} the holy one of Israel can't stand seeing EVIL {Habakkuk 1:13} so how come you are saying he is harboring such horror at heart for his own creatures whom he made in his image to live in Paradise?

Please if he ends up tormenting this same creatures forever instead of giving the everlasting love he had at heart from the beginning, who is the winner the Holy one whose heart is filled with LOVE {1John 4:8} or Satan whose earth is filled with EVIL things {John 8:44}?

Please repent of this blasphemy today, even the Catholic Church who infused the idea into Christendom creeds have debunked it as a LIE!

I Refute and answer: Holiness means Pureness (as you said), So also is His JUDGMENT PURE and It Shall Always be PURE.

As it is Written, A Good Tree Always bears Good Fruits. Pawpaw must bear pawpaw, mango-mango.

So Also, Holiness Must Bear Holiness. And since the Most High is Holy, JUDGMENT, being His Fruit, Must and Must Always be, Holy!

Wolgrace:
Maximus69

Such teaching is a merchant of lie and deception. Hell (hades or sheoul) is underworld of the dead, meaning hopeless and helpless abode. Dead meaning hopeless and helpless soul disconnected from God forever. Jesus Christ is not the God of the dead but of the living. He resurrect those whose names are written in the book of life, meaning those who are His. 2Timothy 2:19. Therefore, body perish with dust particles where it was taken from, but the soul lives forever in heavenly peace or hellish sorrow torments and gnashing of teeth. Your choice but without accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord God, saviour, redeemer, righteousness, and faith, you will miss His kingdom.

Rich man and Lazarus is a typical explanation of the spirit world of the trio-universe, i.e supreme heaven, space heaven, and earth and her underneath. The rich end up in hades of hopelessness, torment, and sorrow while Lazarus in heaven's home of everlasting joy and peace with full liberty and assess blessings.

You have no excuse bro..

Tell them brother but those JW people and maximus69 will never agree to this clear statement.

They would like to think that God will give them what they want in clear defiance of His Word, which He has said Must Be Honoured and Fully Filled!

Well, it is their own Natural Right to choose to Live or to Choose to Die- By Living Forever in Hot Torment

Righteousness89:
Open your bible and read the scriptures I put out

I don't see the hows there, you can surely explain the hows, since You understand it.

Righteousness89:
Pastor Mercy Destroys JUDGMENT!!

Omo, see strong heart oh. Ok please enlighten me, how does it do it?

Maximus69:
There is nothing like Hellfire!

The word Hell means Grave, it was originally written as Sheol in Hebrew and Hedes in Greek.

God never had any plans for evildoers, he can't even stand the sight of his creatures experiencing excruciating pains! Jeremiah 7:31; 19:5-6: 32:35

What God wants for us is abundant blessings and everlasting joy {Psalms 37:9-11,29} as for evildoers, their wages is death (non-existence) Romans 6:7,23 compare to Genesis 3:19

The Churches of Christendom borrowed the idea of torment from Babylonian and Grecian philosophies, God's word says you can live forever if you make Jesus your role model but all those who failed to do so will perish (die and return to dust like Adam)! John 3:16

True Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) have LOVE JOY and PEACE PATIENCE GOODNESS GENTLENESS FAITH MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL in their midst {Galatians 5 22:23} these are the qualities of God's holy spirit, we love our God and we are ready to prove it to the world, we are NOT doing what we do out of fear of eternal torment but out of LOVE for JEHOVAH our God.

God bless you!

That's why Satan and all Antichrists, like you people very much and would have followed you people, except for the fact that you people often times Fire them with the Bible, which they Hate Very Very Much. And hence their primary goal is to kill the Bible!

Poloyanabo1:
I love God and i also live in Fear...
The Fear of God is the beggining of Wisdom.

I have a personal relationship with Christ, He called me a Son of Favour!
What about you?

God does not give fear. 2 Timothy 1:7

If you fully Fear God, you would not be able to fear anyone else or anything at all!

Jay5mie:
Majority of Christians are not worshiping God because of they love God or have a personal relationship with him, or they love Jesus Christ. They are actually Christians because of the fear of spending eternity in hell. And that's where they all miss the point, becoming hypocrites and pretending all through the journey of life, blaspheming the religion. Imagine we wake up one morning and heard God cancel Hell, you'll will see so many so called Christians in their true colors...for the wolves they truly are.

MAJORITY OF CHRISTIANS DON'T LOVE GOD, THEY LIVE IN FEAR!

Christianity shouldn't be a believe of fear, Christianity is love, Christianity is having a Father who cares about you so much.

True and that is because man is not taught to Love.

Parents, teachers, churches, television, the world do not truly teach people How to Love.

They are taught to do the things that "look" like love but are not Love. The world can not teach Pure And Genuine Love.

Which is why the Bible taught us that it is possible to Give (and do many things) Without Loving.

It is God who gives us the Spirit of Love for us to Love. No one can buy it in the market!

Slight Correction (no vex oh) Mercy does not shatter or Destroy Judgement, it Only INTERVENES BEFORE JUDGMENT ARRIVES!

in other words Mercy is a Type of JUDGMENT that a Guilty Person would like different from the JUDGEMENT he Ought to Get and would have gotten!

paxonel:
Meaning : speaking in tongues was speaking other languages and not this saying what people do not understand that we do in churches today?

I affirm!
Tongue means language. Therefore speaking in tongues means ability to speak different languages, hence the gift of tongues (languages) as provided in the Bible as seen in life1 Corinthians 12: 10.

Not the False blablabublabla seen in churches as if they are Bone thugs and harmony. Those ones were even speaking English language.

Fear is the Weapon of Satan that is the fear that afflicts men E.g fear of Death, fear of Curses, fear of Juju (all the things una dey normally fear). It does not come from God.

What the Lord gives are many Goods eg knowings, understandings, wisdom, Confidence and it is summed up in the statement "God has not given us a spirit of fear BUT OF POWER, LOVE AND A SOUND MIND" 2 Timothy 1:7

The only Fear you need, is to Fear The Most Deadly, the same He who is GOOD! He can Kill and make Alive, And Kill again and make Alive and kill again and make and... Una know now, so continue for me.

It is only by knowing (knowledge) and understanding, then acquisition of wisdom that you can prevail and Overcome.

Also, hope you are not under the Curse in Romans 1:24.

If clear, then Pray for the understanding to be given you to know and understand as far as Completely as possible, Proverbs 1, 2, 3, 4; then Proverbs 5 and 7 and 9 verses 13- 18, would stand securely in your soul forever!

If you Perfect the knowing and Doing of these things, then would you overcome most sins including lust.

As a start it is a good to you that you know you lust (confession of the Truth in your soul like the woman of Samaria)

CodeTemplar:
If every man follow God's commands there will be no suffering in the first place.

Blaming God for suffering will be like a man who buys a brand new Toyota Camry, fuels it with acid and pepper against Toyota's instruction, then blames Toyota for the break down of the vehicle.

Clap! Clap!! Clap!!!

'nuff said. Couldn't have said it any better