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Christianity Etc › Re: RAPTURE OR TRIBULATION- Which Of These End Time Event Is Happening First? by Dtruthspeaker: 11:02am On Jun 14, 2020
Eulalia:
THE LAST DAYS OF HISTORY

THE TRIBULATION
This are events that will take place after the rapture, this will usher in the antichrist and will birth the GREAT TRIBULATION under the antichrist.
1. The faithfuls in Christ will be kept from this time of trail. Luke 21:36, John 14:1-3, 2Cor 5:2&4. Phil 3:20-21, 1Thess 1:10, 4:16-18, 5:8-10. Rev 3:10.
2. The Tribulation will begin after the restrainer have been taken out of the way. 2 Thessalonian 2:6-8
3. Will begin after the secret power of lawlessness intensifies 2 Thessalonian 2:7-8
4. Will begin after the great rebellion against the faith occurs 2 Thess 2:3
5. THE ANTICHRIST, THE MAN OF LAWLESSNESS WILL APPEAR Dan 9:26-27, 2 Thess 2:3-10, Rev 13:1-18, Rev 16:2, Rev 17:9-18, Rev 19:19-20.
6. The tribulation will begin with the opening of the seven seals Rev 6:1
7. The tribulations will last for a period of Seven (7) years. Dan 9:27
8. It will be a time of WORLDWIDE DISTRESS Mathew 24:21-22, Revelations chapter 6 to chapter 9
9. False prophets will perform great signs Rev 13:13, Rev 16:14, Rev 19:20
10. The gospel will be preached by the angels and possibly jews. Rev 7:1-14, Rev 11:3-6, Rev 14:6-7
11. People will be saved during this days Deut 4:30-31, Rev 7:9-17, Rev 14:6-7, Rev 11:13
12. Those who had opportunities to believe in Christ before the Rapture will have no further opportunity to repent Mathew 25:1-12, Luke 12:45-46, 2Thess 2:10-12.
... THE ANTICHRIST and THE GREAT TRIBULATION
Hi, again. Just to share with you my own knowledge.

I just went through your No.1)-Faithfuls in Christ and it is my view that 2 Corinthians 5:2/4 you cited is what everyone needs to Perfect to even make the kingdom of God with or without the coming of Judgement Day.

After the Perfection in 2 Corinthians 5, those of us here, now, during these Judgement Day Events, Get the Protection Giving By God as Provided in Luke 21:36.

In my view, John 14:1-3 is what shall happen after Judgement Day unto Only Those Who Overcame!
Christianity Etc › Re: RAPTURE OR TRIBULATION- Which Of These End Time Event Is Happening First? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:36am On Jun 14, 2020
I now Amend my earlier statement.

After just looking at Mathew 24 with what is going on around us and what I have seen with my own eyes, I say that we are now in Mathew 24;42

What people call Rapture refers to Separation and I have seen the Separation. It is prominent all around us and even here on nairaland.
Christianity Etc › Re: RAPTURE OR TRIBULATION- Which Of These End Time Event Is Happening First? by Dtruthspeaker:
It has already begun and you are seeing them all. The Seals have been opened

The Righteous have been marked (but I don't know if they have all been marked? But I think the marking is still going on for those who want God)

On the other hand, those who have chosen Death are also been marked for Death.

You see it all going around the world and you see it even here on nairaland.

Let him who hath an eye to see, let him see and let him who hath an ear to hear, let him hear.

I think we are in Sorrows now, we may not have yet entered into Trouble-lations (Tribulations). Matthew 24: 9-15.

Modified

It is A Great Error to be Calculating for Rapture, if you knew God, you would Surely know that IT WILL NEVER BE WHAT MAN IMAGINES, like no one in Israel knew how and in what form the Saviour shall come to them even though they had the Prophecy.

So it is even now, even though we have the Prophecy!
Christianity Etc › Re: Lead Me To The Cross by Dtruthspeaker: 8:19am On Jun 14, 2020
Aaah! I perceive you have not heard many Hillsong songs? Let me burden you a little. Today, search for and start with Be Still - Hillsong Worship, As it is in Heaven, Awakening, Behold (Then Sings My Soul), Broken Vessels (Amazing Grace), Fire Fall Down, With Everything - Live in Miami, New Wine, So will I (100 billion X), Remembrance.

Use these ones to enjoy your Sunday and your Monday, and your week smiley

If you need more, just Holla!
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Too Much Profit A Sin? by Dtruthspeaker: 8:00am On Jun 14, 2020
zionmde:
misunderstanding those verses as u just quoted dem in this kind of situation is d reason a lot of Holier than thou Christians remain poor until they get fed up with Christianity or until nobody want to listen to dem anymore

I choose great revenues with righteousness
I also choose great treasures with the fear of God
if u think poverty is Holiness den how exactly will u spread d gospel or do u think d gospel came to u cheap?
In the house of the righteous, is much treasure" Proverbs 15:6

"He that is greedy of gain Troubleth his own house" Proverbs 15: 27

Verse 29-"The Lord is far from the wicked: but He Heareth the prayer of the righteous.

The crown of the wise is their riches;
If you saw me and if you knew me you would not be saying these things.

All who Truly serve and follow the Lord are not poor neither are they in poverty.

For indeed the Word of the Lord in Leviticus 26:3-13, is True and I am A Witness of It and I preach it. And those who see me know that it is True
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Too Much Profit A Sin? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:16am On Jun 14, 2020
It is written "Better is little with Righteousness than great revenues without right" Proverbs 16:8

"Better is little with the Fear of the Lord than great treasure and Trouble therewith" Proverbs 15:16

"“Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.” 1 John 3:21
Christianity Etc › Re: WAS JESUS PROMISING ALL HIS FAITHFULL FOLLOWERS HEAVENLY LIFE AT JOHN 14: 1-3? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:45am On Jun 14, 2020
And as I said and felt at the first, your heading and your post are the one and the same, and my Judgement of it was intact.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Good Old Christian Songs by Dtruthspeaker:
My old Songs are still with me, Ron kenoly's first 3 Albums, Don Moen's first 4 Albums, Maranatha Singers Volumes 11,12, Glorify thy Name Album, Joseph Garlington, Panam Percy Paul, J. Daniel, Kirk Franklin first 4 Albums, Donnie Mcclurkin Live in London Album etc

Today's music, there are few very good ones (when compared to the past when they used to be too many good music).

So I stay with the old music and almost do not listen to today's music, they lack the Spirit of God and they are void of Life!
Christianity Etc › Re: Lead Me To The Cross by Dtruthspeaker: 5:19am On Jun 14, 2020
Getting ready to blast "more than life" and other tracks now.
Christianity Etc › Re: Lead Me To The Cross by Dtruthspeaker: 5:17am On Jun 14, 2020
Eulalia:
So now, you want me to answer your question? But you refused to answer mine. Anyways two wrongs cannot make a right. So..... Mmm... Ah! This your question eh? Ok. If I must be frank with you, I listened to it last in 2015. Though I still sang it a lot from then up to somewhere around 3 years ago. It just popped up in my head again yesterday and I began to sing.

Funnily enough, I had forgotten some parts of verse two. then i asked the Holy spirit to remind me and in a few mins the words just came pouring into my heart. So I decided to put it down.

Very lovely song.
Have you heard "Here I am send me" Highest Tapestry, Mountain, Aftermath Album, Revealing Jesus Album?

Mm mm mm! I can go on and on

Oh! my knowledge and understanding of God grew more hearing the word of God contained in many Hillsong Songs.

God Seriously gave them Understanding, Plenty, in their music.
Christianity Etc › Re: WAS JESUS PROMISING ALL HIS FAITHFULL FOLLOWERS HEAVENLY LIFE AT JOHN 14: 1-3? by Dtruthspeaker:
safepaulooo:
In John 14:1-3, Jesus promised his followers heavenly life saying in my father’s house there are many abodes. But the question is was he promising ALL his followers heavenly life?
First of all, (and there are many first of all I wish to say but let me go this way), first, this statement was meant for His 12 Disciples for in Mathew 19:28, He clearly said that they (the disciples) shall sit with Him to Judge the Tribes of Israel.

And Another first is the fact that by His Express Words, He has Declared the Disciples Fit for the Kingdom of God, but He has Not Yet Done So Over Us.

So I humbly think, that like a Job Interview and like An Entrance Exam, we ought to concentrate on passing the Exams rather than Contemplating or Speculating what Office we shall be Put in or what Class we shall be.

For Offices and Classrooms are Appointed or Designated Only to Those Who have Overcome the Interview or Examination.

It is of no profit or gain to Admire the Offices or Classrooms if you have not yet Overcome.

It even rather brings Great Pain and Shame to have admired all these and yet you can not enter into Them.

I think, it is better and wiser to Work at Overcoming Excellently, than to Look into Offices and Classrooms.

For when you have Overcome, You Shall Surely Behold All the Offices/Classes and you can Admire or Speculate to your heart's fill.

safepaulooo:
Revelation 14:1-3 shows that 144,000 persons will be taken from earth to heaven. Read Rev 14:1, the lamb (Jesus) stands on mount zion and with him 144,000 persons. Where were they? Verses 2 and 3 says a sound was coming out from HEAVEN and it was the 144,000 singing a special song with their harps. That confirms that the 144,000 persons were in heaven with Jesus. The ending part of verse 3 says the 144,000 were BOUGHT from the EARTH. So Rev 14:1-3 makes it clear that 144,000 persons were BOUGHT from the earth with christ blood and taken to heaven where they are seen with the lamb, Jesus Christ. This is a fulfillment of John 14:1-3 where christ promised his followers heavenly life. In other words he was not making that promise to ALL his followers but to 144,000 of his followers. That number started to be gathered right from his early apostles.

What will be their function in heaven? Revelation 5: 9,10 explains that these ones BOUGHT with the blood of Christ are from every tribe, tongues, people’s and nations and will serve to RULE over the earth. So if only 144,000 followers of Christ will be in heaven with him to serve as CO-RULERS with him, what of the rest multitude of Christ followers? Keep in mind, that in a system where there are rulers there must be SUBJECTS to benefit from the rulership. That Rev. 5: 10 says they RULE over the earth, will they be ruling over animals and vegetation? Surely not! READ Matt 5: 3 and 5. Whereas verse 3 mentions the prospect of Kingdom of heaven, verse 5 mentions the prospect of inheriting the earth. In other words there are TWO prospects which God has in store for faithful ones. The rulers will be in heaven alongside christ whereas the subjects will inherit the earth to enjoy that heavenly rulership. Psalm 37:29 states that the RIGHTEOUS WILL LIVE FOREVER ON EARTH . They will be the subjects to enjoy a RESTORED PARADISE which that heavenly rulership of Christ and the 144,000 will bring about. Think about this, even in countries today everybody cannot be in rulership positions, there must be subjects and they are always the MAJORITY while the rulers are the MINORITY. So 144,000 will be in heaven with christ as rulers to fulfill christ words at John 14:1-3 while a vast majority of other faithful followers of Christ will live forever on earth in paradise. These ones on earth will see the fulfillment of God’s original purpose stated to Adam, which is for the earth to be inhabited by obedient humans in paradise condition forever. That purpose cannot fail otherwise God has become a liar who cannot fulfill his words and that can NEVER happen. God’s words and purpose will surely be fulfilled as explained in Isaiah 55:10, 11.

So in summary, Jesus words in John 14:1-3 were directed to 144,000 of his faithful followers whereas other faithful followers will enjoy paradise earth forever as obedient human subjects. A prospect which Adam lost. No wonder christ taught us to pray the LORD’S PRAYER (Matt 6:9, 10), our father in heaven....let your KINGDOM come, let your will TAKE PLACE as in HEAVEN also on EARTH. God’s WILL for the earth is for it to serve as a PARADISE HOME for mankind FOREVER. (Psalm 37:29 and Ecclesiastic 1:4). The Kingdom also called government (Isaiah 9:6) will rest on the shoulders of Christ and together with his 144,000 co-rulers bought from the earth with his blood, they will RESTORE God’s WILL for the earth – a paradise home for obedient humans FOREVER.

PLEASE READ ALL CITED SCRIPTURES AND CAREFULLY MEDITATE ON THEM.
Now I see 144,000.

When I see 144,000, I see those who call themselves Jehovah's Witness (no insult intended or given, just a simple description for identification purposes) and I have seen that they are fixed in their ways.

And they do not let Good Reason to prevail over them as is their natural right and power given by God.

I entertain and engage them whenever they come by my house which is great fun for me and much easier than to engage them online.

It's a great pain and frustration to engage in online debates, for it is very easy to Lie, Deny Common Truths, Distorting and Twisting Issues or Otherwise, Skip from one issue to the other, ignore valid points raised, one can not easily see the effects of valid points and so many reasons not to engage in online debates.

I have had encounters with maximus69 and he is enough for me. I would not like to debate with another maximus69, Online, if I can avoid them.

And my Answer Above also stands over this 144,000 business, which is it is not important nor relevant.

When we overcome, we would surely see what shall happen on that Day.
Christianity Etc › Re: WAS JESUS PROMISING ALL HIS FAITHFULL FOLLOWERS HEAVENLY LIFE AT JOHN 14: 1-3? by Dtruthspeaker:
safepaulooo:
It's wrong to judge a book by its cover (or theme). Proverbs 18 vs 13 says "When anyone replies to a matter before he hears the facts, it is foolish and humiliating". Heed the wise admonition of this scripture by hearing the facts of the matter first before replying. This implies that you take the time to read through the entire write-up I have posted here ESPECIALLY THE SCRIPTURES CITED before you can make any rational reply otherwise your response would only be sentimental and lacking good judgement. You may unintentionally be depriving yourself of beneficial scriptural fact.

I must state however, that your noticing the title of this thread and being moved to make a reply shows you are a spiritual person and certainly have a passion for the scriptures. Spiritual persons dont just scratch the surface of such sensitive matter, they explore it entirely. Then if after exhaustively examining my write-up, you still have reservations I would be glad to hear / read them.
How else are things judged?

First, the covering tells us if it is good or bad or is supposed to tell us.

It's your duty to declare the Truth from the beginning like a C.V. but People Always Lie.

And also the Rule in the Proverbs you quoted there applies to Human Disputes not to the General Assessment of Things, like this post.

it would be good for you to take note that in Written Presentations, the Title or Heading is Quite Very Important. For, by human conduct the purchase of a book or movie or anything is also based on the Title.

And you know most especially in this nairaland religion page, wicked souls openly and blatantly wickedly insult the Most High and His Holy Son and based on their Titles, we can immediately decide whether we would enter that thread or not or how we would approach it.

So I am going to look in now and give my fair comment after.
Christianity Etc › Re: Unforgiveness Is Captivity No Matter How Deeply Hurt You Feel by Dtruthspeaker: 7:23pm On Jun 13, 2020
ochibuogwu5:
Unforgiveness is captivity here on earth and life after death:

No matter how hurt/betrayed you feel by friends, family, colleagues, spouse, neighbors e.t.c. and you continue to hold unto unforgiveness, or go ahead to lay a curse on such person;
the curse may manifest in that person's life but you have also laid a new foundation of captivity/backwardness for yourself which will only be lifted the moment you forgive and reconcile with such person or group.

Immediately job forgave his 3-friends who betrayed him and prayed for them, he received twice all that he lost thus

" So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went and did as the Lord told them; and the Lord accepted Job’s prayer.
10 The Lord restored the fortunes of Job when he prayed for his friends, and the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before." (Job 42:9-10)

If anybody continues to live in unforgiveness and dies inside it, he has rejected the mercy of God in His Only Son; Jesus Christ Crucified on the Cross of Calvary to redeem all mankind from the condemnation of sin and accepted the wrath of God forever and ever thus

"Then his master called him and said to him, ‘You wicked and contemptible slave, I forgave all that [great] debt of yours because you begged me. 33 Should you not have had mercy on your fellow slave [who owed you little by comparison], as I had mercy on you?’ 34 And in wrath his master turned him over to the torturers (jailers) until he paid all that he owed. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to [every one of] you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.” (Matthew 18:32-35)

Who are you holding in unforgiveness("...untie him/her, and let him go" John 11:44) ?

Could your current situation that appears like captivity/backwardness be as a result of unforgiveness ?

Ask Jesus Christ Crucified to forgive you for holding unto this instrument of the devil (unforgiveness)

Ask the Father to fill you with His mercy, love, grace, humility and forgiveness within and around you through His Holy Spirit such that you call those who you have stopped communicating with because of unforgiveness no matter how deep their wounds appeared towards you and make a physical visit towards those who you can reach out for reconciliation.

Father, I receive grace to forgive all those who hurt/offend me because they do not know what they did to me in Jesus Name. Amen. (Luke 23:34)

Abbah Father, I receive grace to manifest in action/attitude this complete forgiveness towards all those who hurt me previously and those who will offend me in the future in Jesus Name. Amen.

Great Grace Brethren!!!
It is great foolishness and suicide to not even forgive for as you have been hurt, so have you hurt another.

And if you would not forgive another, therefore, you are not supposed to be forgiven also.

For it is written -Matthew 7:12
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Christianity Etc › Re: Counterfeit Christianity by Dtruthspeaker: 4:05pm On Jun 13, 2020
Righteousness89:
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This is how it starts! The devil possesses you and uses u at any slight chance!

Any sound Beliver will understand that there is no reason for your Epistle!

A Message comes out and you make available to the devil to confuse the The Message

Like I tell people, be careful! the devil is smart guy that strikes at the slightest opportunity! Don't make yourself a tool! Be an instrument for God!

Preach the Gospel of JESUS, not what u think!

If I were you, I will go pray! Because if you are not careful, you will be used to fight to against Gospel unknowingly! I have seen a lot of people just like u!

Go and pray bro!
Your very own words today stand witness between us.
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Afraid Of God? by Dtruthspeaker: 3:42pm On Jun 13, 2020
agwom:
Sir we are talking the same thing in different ways....Don't break God laws and assuming that God is not seeing you. God is everywhere
With Humble Respect I say that, though your post is not wrong but if you greatly understand, you would most certainly not make this post, especially the way it now looks.

If you had more Understanding, your post will be different.
Christianity Etc › Re: Counterfeit Christianity by Dtruthspeaker: 3:28pm On Jun 13, 2020
Righteousness89:
It simply means you are off topic!

I am the one who put out a Message..

you come out here with Confusion and grammar!

You confuse yourself and others!

That's very wrong of you guys!

If u hv a Message, go put your Message..
stop putting out Confusion... that's a Demonic spirit you are exhibiting!
I was off topic, yet, rather than say that at the beginning, you changed your direction and the course of the subject matter which was your Wrongful and Erroneous Post That a person shall be Saved by Believe/Faith, No Work Necessary, to Now, "Salvation"?

Either you stand on and by your Post or you Fall With it, Which you Did before my eyes and Kobojunkie and Daejoyoung.

No one is compelling you to accept what we present but would you not do good to thy own soul to check, verify and test, if what we say is True, most especially, if you would be humble and not decieve thy own soul, the Truth, that you fell, which we all see?

What is it to us if you destroy thy own soul? It is between you and your Maker.

We have discharged our obligation to Him (our Maker also) and to you, to tell you these things that we have seen and tested to be True.

Your Blood is on thee and thee alone.

Also if my counter and assertion was "confusing" and filled with "grammar" could you not respectfully ask for clarity without having to Stoop So low to ridicule?

I don't have an evil spirit for an evil spirit can not dwell with me because I Sorely Hate Evil!
Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is Afraid Of God? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:37pm On Jun 13, 2020
agwom:
Most of those who call themselves believers, profess that they are afraid of God. What does this mean? Let us talk more about this. Are they really afraid of God? Are they afraid of God as much as they are afraid of their friends and others while doing something wrong? For example, a colleague of yours has to rush out and has left the mail box open. You are very curious to take a look at it. If no one is around, will you be still afraid thinking that at least God is watching? Please think about this.

The truth is that we are afraid of real people and not God. Except very few of us, most of us don’t always remember the presence of God at all the places and during all the times. Take a marriage conducted alone in a temple by a couple. Who was the witness? God. But if one of the partner denies that marriage, or decides to keep the marriage a secret, can anything be done by the other partner? Nothing. Except praying to God, who was the witness, the other partner can do nothing. Because no human being was the witness. Was the partner who denied or chose to keep total secrecy and lied about the marriage to society afraid of God? No.

This is very unfortunate, but true. Liars and those who believe in deceiving others and themselves are not afraid of God, but only of society. For them God’s powers count for nothing. May God bless such cheats, because only He can save them from their treachery. There is a small Indian story of a teacher. Once he gave all his pupils a slip of paper and asked them to return after reading it at a place where no one was present. One of the pupil did not return till late evening. The teacher went in search for the boy, and found him in a corner of the jungle. He asked him about the reason of not reading what was written on the paper, and not returning. The boy replied- Holy Sir, you instructed me to read this at a place where no one is present. But I find that God is present everywhere. So where do I read this? The teacher applauded the boy for his faith and learning the truth.

The right way of living is to remember the presence of God at all the place and during all the times. The right way to live is to be afraid of God, and no human being.
In Truth this is not what it means to be afraid of God.

Psalms and Proverbs specifically teach the True Fear of the Lord.

Proverbs 1:7= hear and take hold of the All the Instructions David gave Solomon and Understand.

1) Do not consent to do sin with others. Proverbs 1:10. The question is why?

2) verse 15- Do not walk with them. Why?

3) Proverbs 8:13-The Fear of the Lord is to flee from all evil. Again, why?

Isaiah 45:9- it is not wise to contend with thy Maker? Again, why?

I pray the the Lord give you True Understanding to Understand a Proverb or a Parable.
Christianity Etc › Re: WAS JESUS PROMISING ALL HIS FAITHFULL FOLLOWERS HEAVENLY LIFE AT JOHN 14: 1-3? by Dtruthspeaker: 12:29pm On Jun 13, 2020
safepaulooo:
IT'S OBVIOUS YOU HAVE NOT READ THE WRITE-UP / POSTS ON THIS THREAD. READ AND MEDITATE THOROUGHLY ON ALL OF IT ESPECIALLY THE CITED SCRIPTURES WITH HONESTY, SINCERITY AND AN OPEN MIND, WITHOUT BIAS TO WHAT YOU HAVE KNOWN BEFORE, A BELL WILL RING IN YOU.
Why would I read your write up when your Header is already Wrong and very Misleading?

Your write up must follow your Header. And if your header is bad, then your write up must be... sad
Christianity Etc › Re: Counterfeit Christianity by Dtruthspeaker: 12:20pm On Jun 13, 2020
Righteousness89:
Too much Grammar Confused you bro! You don't need too much talk!

Salvation is Confessing your sins, Believing and Accepting that JESUS died on cross of Calvary for your sins and He rose .

Salvation is not too Much grammar!

Confess your sins, Believe on the Work done on Calvary and His Resurrection.

You Believe with your Heart , you confess with your mouth!

Leave all these long stories..
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Friend, we are not talking about salvation, but we are Talking about the Wrong-Full-Ness of your Post here.

So don't change the topic and take due correction, if you want!

For between Kobojunkie, Daejoyoung and I, We are all clearly saying that You are wrong and Not
correct!
Christianity Etc › Re: Counterfeit Christianity by Dtruthspeaker: 12:10pm On Jun 13, 2020
Kobojunkie:
Faith is the collection of all your works/ good works (individual work items or good works , i like ro call it) done in obedience to God. It is proof that you believe and belong to Him.
Agreed!
Christianity Etc › Re: Counterfeit Christianity by Dtruthspeaker: 10:04am On Jun 13, 2020
Kobojunkie:
Faith, mind you, is simply a collection of all your works done of trust and obedience to God. It is not a thinking or a mental decision but a combination of all the actions you take to register your trust and obedience to God. That is why James wrote that Faith, without work, is dead, an empty useless collection.
Everyone has faith but not everyone has work to go into their faith collection. Not because there is no work to do. No, Jesus already gave us at least 46 commandments from over 2000 years ago to begin obeying every single day of our lives. grin

Show me your empty faith collection, but I will show you my works contained in my faith collection as proof that I do indeed have faith, where you have just an empty bag called faith.
To sum up all that you said, Faith is Simply Knowledge or put Even Simpler-lerly, Faith is What and the Amount of Whats, That You Know of God, and That YOU USE!
Christianity Etc › Re: Counterfeit Christianity by Dtruthspeaker:
Kobojunkie:
They don't for you see, even righteousness requires work from you. According to Jesus Christ, those who will enter Heaven are those who are righteous. Ever wondered what the righteous do? Jesus Christ outlined this in the Bible for you to learn of your own...


Note what those who are righteous did i.e. work done? They do deeds of righteousness in obedience to Jesus Christ's commands. The righteous are out there even as we speak obeying the commandments of Jesus Christ and only they will enter the Kingdom of God. grin grin

Job was a righteous man and in Job 31, he goes into detail on the righteous acts He has done in obedience to God. Ezekiel 18, God speaks of what the righteous do. Isaiah 58, God speaks of the kind of fasting He wants instead of all the nonsense we like to do in the name of God ... He lists the acts the righteous do for His glory.
cheesy have watched your answers grow! Great Job.!
Don't stop yet, it is not yet FuLL, but I believe that if you continue with all that you are doing, you would get there.

Great work brother, Fire On!
Christianity Etc › Re: Counterfeit Christianity by Dtruthspeaker: 9:53am On Jun 13, 2020
solite3:
Those who believe in Christ has the righteousness of Christ already. working out your salvation is not the same as working for your salvation. working out your salvation simply means proving the reality of your salvation by through sanctification in Christ while God sanctifies inwardly. you can't even workout what you don't have, first possess salvation before working it out.
The Rightness or Righteousness of Christ is Already Working and shall Always be Working.

The Question is do you Do, That Same Righteousness or Righteousness which Christ Did and Is Doing?

The Righteousness and Rightness that you Do, Shall Christ say, that, they Are Like His or even Exactly His?
Christianity Etc › Re: Counterfeit Christianity by Dtruthspeaker: 9:25am On Jun 13, 2020
Kobojunkie:
Jesus in fact says do! It is impossible to become a follower of Jesus Christ if you don't do what it takes( there are about 7 commandments stipulated).
No one can enter the kingdom of Heaven without doing what Jesus Christ has commanded and his commandments require work be done.

In fact, the church of Christ is built on work that is done in obedience to Christ's commandments, works of righteousness that can only be done in obedience to Him or else it amounts to nothing but filthy rags.

Remember the light yoke (work) and the easy burden(cross) He, Jesus promised? Yes, He promised everyone that comes to Him that there is work to be dome, albeit light work,
Kobojunkie, didn't you see that you took him down with this statement?

And that he could not recover from his fall hence his personal attack on you?

Kobojunkie:
since His covenant only has about 46 commandments for you to carry out daily. That is light work compared to tge 613 commandments of the Old Covenant.
"Not a word nor a dot of the Commandment will be removed, they must all be fully Filled! Mathew 5:18.

-Good Master, what shall I do, that I may have eternal life?-

"But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." Mathew 19:16-17.
Christianity Etc › Re: Counterfeit Christianity by Dtruthspeaker: 8:57am On Jun 13, 2020
Righteousness89:
Once you are born again and have put your full faith and trust in JESUS Blood, in his death , burial and Resurrection, the Holy Spirit comes inside of you as a new creature in Christ! You are New, and JESUS has called us to walk in newness of life. Romans 6:4( Kjv).
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And this is the All-time Error Continuously taught by All!

It is not His Death that gives Life, it is His Life that gives Life.

He was and is God over Death Even Before He Allowed Himself to do, what we call, dying!

And the Proof of His Godship over death and ALL THINGS is what is Shown all over the Bible even before He did what We call dying!

"Young man, I say unto thee, Arise" Luke 7: 13-14.

" Maid, Arise" Luke 8: 52-54.

" Lazarus, Come Forth" John 11:43.

He was and is, God, over Diseases.

Just a touch of the border of His garment (clothing) healed the woman with the infirmity of the issue of blood. Luke 8: 44-45

Without a word or even going to the place where the sick servant of the Centurion was, the servant was healed. Luke 7: 8-10

He is God, over All spirits.

Evil spirits grumbled and complained at His Presence. Luke 4:33. He answered "Hold thy peace and come out of him"

Evil spirits even sought HIS PERMISSION and SERIOUSLY BEGGED HIM LIKE THEIR LIFE DEPENDED ON HIM. Matthew 8: 29/31

And He said to them (only one word) "GO" Matthew 8: 32

Our Lord God, Whom we call Christ Jesus, verily did All These Things, while He was with us, "Alive" before He did what we call dying!

It is written " He is not the God of the dead but the God of the Living: ye therefore do greatly err." Mark 12: 27

Therefore I Confidently say on the Authority and Power of Mark 12: 27, that it is the Law, that Death can never give Life (for there is no power or life in death).

It is the Law, that Life gives Birth to Life! It is seen that it is the Living who birth a child, not a Dead person.

It is not about His "death" and resurrection but about His Life and Living!

It is His Life and Living that Gives us Life if we take it!
Christianity Etc › Re: WAS JESUS PROMISING ALL HIS FAITHFULL FOLLOWERS HEAVENLY LIFE AT JOHN 14: 1-3? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:14am On Jun 13, 2020
Why do you people like to change things, eh? I dey suspect you undecided

Na like this changing of Truth, first dey start: small small, you go think say na small error wey no mean anything.

Then the next thing, dem don change EVERYTHING, and you no go still know, and those wey know go dey wonder wen dem take change am!

CHRIST NEVER SAID HEAVENLY LIFE!

He Clearly Said ETERNAL LIFE! Not the same thing. angry

There is no profit or gain in fighting over this Issues nor of Continuously chiming about it. Every one knows and has heard of Eternal Life.

But talking about it all day would never make it yours until you have passed all your Examinations Here.

It is only Qualified Applicants in a Job Interview or a School Exam that shall be placed in an Office or in a Class (Eternal Life).

Admiring the Offices and Classrooms WILL NEVER PLACE YOU IN THEM!
Christianity Etc › Re: Book Of Galatians (The "Righteous" Shall Live by Faith) by Dtruthspeaker: 8:00pm On Jun 12, 2020
What Truly and Practically is Faith?
Christianity Etc › Re: "Believe and Be Saved" — What does that Mean? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:51pm On Jun 12, 2020
OpenYourEyes1:
What does it mean to believe in JESUS & be saved?

Simple answer:

Believe in HIM and HE will save you from sin (also from the power of satan). If you truely believe in your heart that HE alone can save you, HE will save you and HE will come and dwell in you, lead, teach, guide you to live a holy and righteous life — that is bearing fruits.

What happens when you stop believing? You fall back to sin. The wages of sin is death
This is only 10% of the answer. There is more
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Repentance And How Does It Relate To Salvation? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:56am On Jun 12, 2020
solite3:
what are you saying sir? How can you be begging for what has already given to you? go to John 3 vv 16.
For God so love the world that he*gave* his only begotten son. Note the word *gave* God gave you freely. not only did he pay for it but he gave you freely can't you see, the problem is not God withholding his gift the problem is people do not believe.
If your office gives you a car and you have done nothing more than to jump up and down to POSSESS the car, would you have the car? No, you wouldn't.

Did you not "believe" when they told you that they would give you a car? You did.

Did you get (Possess) the car? No, you have not.

When can it Be Beyond Dispute and Controversy that your office has given you a car? Only when you have, registered with your office that certain car with certain number has been allocated to you and the keys have been given to you and you have TAKEN AWAY the car from your office to your home.

After all these can anyone (me) or the office (Christ) contend or dispute that you have not taken what was Given? No, no one can dispute it. It is properly settled beyond CONTROVERSY!

Where there is a Giving, there Must be a Proper and Complete Taking for the Transaction to be Complete.

For like ShopRite and all other stores, have they not "Given" their goods?

Does Anyone go in and take what they want and go out? Any Person who takes Without PERMISSION, shall he not be called A THIEF and shall be beaten and thrown into prison?

In your office, after they have given you your car and you did not take it, can that car not be given to another person? Or

Does your office, after they have given you the car, not have the POWER to decide that they would not be giving you the car again when you come to collect it?

If you really want the car, shall you not Beg Them to Release it to you even though they Gave it to you?

Learn a wisdom- He who Gives, Also hath Power to Refrain from Giving at the Moment you intend to take Or even Refusing the Grant of the Gift to You, at the moment you request for it.

But He will Certainly and Most Assuredly Release the Gift to You, if you have properly and earnestly request for it!

I see most people, like you, think that it is enough and sufficient to Simple-ly, "believe" in Christ, without Truly Knowing what "believe" really is. Like you, they are NEVER Able to Defend thier "Believe".

And if you can not defend or answer what your"believe" is before mortal man made from dust, how do you think you shall fare before the Most High, Who Knoweth and Seeeth All Your Very True Thoughts and Calculations, within You?

And Who Himself, is The Very Person Whom You Say you have taken from or Has Given you?

Shall He not know who and whom He Hath Given? And who and whom hath Truly Taken?

Learn a Wisdom, it shall be profitable to you.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Repentance And How Does It Relate To Salvation? by Dtruthspeaker:
solite3:
what are you saying sir? How can you be begging for what has already given to you? go to John 3 vv 16.
For God so love the world that he*gave* his only begotten son. Note the word *gave* God gave you freely. not only did he pay for it but he gave you freely can't you see, the problem is not God withholding his gift the problem is people do not believe.
If your office gives you a car and you have done nothing more than to jump up and down to POSSESS the car, would you have the car? No, you wouldn't.

Did you not "believe" when they told you that they would give you a car? You did.

Did you get (Possess) the car? No, you have not.

When can it Be Beyond Dispute and Controversy that your office has given you a car?

Only when you have, registered with your office that a certain car with a certain number has been allocated to you AND the keys have been given to you AND you have TAKEN AWAY the car from your office to your home.

After all these can anyone (me) or the office (Christ) contend or dispute that you have not taken what was Given? No, no one can dispute it. It is properly settled beyond CONTROVERSY!

Where there is a Giving, there Must be a Proper and Complete Taking for the Transaction to be Complete.

For like ShopRite and all other stores, have they not "Given" their goods?

Does Anyone go in and take what they want and go out? Any Person who takes Without PERMISSION, shall he not be called A THIEF and shall be beaten and thrown into prison?

In your office, after they have given you your car and you did not take it, can that car not be given to another person? Or

Does your office, after they have given you the car, not have the POWER to decide that they would not be giving you the car again when you come to collect it?

If you really want the car, shall you not Beg Them to Release it to you even though they Gave it to you?

Learn a wisdom- He who Gives, Also hath Power to Refrain from Giving at the Moment you intend to take Or even Refusing the Grant of the Gift to You, at the moment you request for it.

But He will Certainly and Most Assuredly Release the Gift to You, if you have properly and earnestly request for it!

I see most people, like you, think that it is enough and sufficient to Simple-ly, "believe" in Christ, without Truly Knowing what "believe" really is. Like you, they are NEVER Able to Defend thier "Believe".

And if you can not defend or answer what your"believe" is before mortal man made from dust, how do you think you shall fare before the Most High, Who Knoweth and Seeeth All Your Very True Thoughts and Calculations, within You?

And Who Himself, is The Very Person Whom You Say you have taken from or Has Given you?

Shall He not know who and whom He Hath Given? And who and whom hath Truly Taken?

Learn a Wisdom, it shall be profitable to you.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Repentance And How Does It Relate To Salvation? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:25pm On Jun 11, 2020
solite3:
these below where your words,


the book of Hebrews clearly state that Christ death put an end to every form of sin offering or sacrifice.
Yes, this is True and I did not go against it or say otherwise, for if we had gotten to sacrifices, I would have told you what Pure lamb or goat and by what numbers of them all, will be up to the value of the God of this world? None, I verily say.

solite3:
Christ is the end of the law for those who believe.
God didn't wait for anybody to beg before giving us the son, it is either you receive the gift or you reject it.
What Law was ended? Paul who wrote to the Hebrews told us the answer do you know it?

On God's Gift to All Men did I not verily say that it must be taken up? That
"It is not taken by Right or by Force but It is Always Given at the Sole Pleasure of the Giver and ALWAYS at His Will, AT THAT RELEVANT MOMENT IN TIME."

And how do you obtain a thing that is not yours?

Do we not "SERIOUSLY and DEEPLY BEG" and request for them?

solite3:
these below where your words,

God's mercy is him paying fully and completely for our sins without our input in any form anybody who chose to add anything to what
Christ has done is under a curse.
That's what I am saying, God has paid for it, therefore, it is His Own and not yours.

Now, Whoever wants it Must Properly Ask and Request for it!

Or shall you attempt to Pry it out of His Hands? Or shall you go to the Place where He Kept it, for to take it?
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Repentance And How Does It Relate To Salvation? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:15pm On Jun 11, 2020
solite3:
these below where your words,


the book of Hebrews clearly state that Christ death put an end to every form of sin offering or sacrifice.
Yes, this is True and I did not go against it or say otherwise, for if we had gotten to sacrifices, I would have told you what Pure lamb or goat and by what numbers of them all, will be up to the value of the God of this world? None, I verily say.

solite3:
Christ is the end of the law for those who believe.
God didn't wait for anybody to beg before giving us the son, it is either you receive the gift or you reject it.
What Law was ended? Paul who wrote to the Hebrews told us the answer do you know it?

On God's Gift to All Men did I not verily say that it must be taken up? That
"It is not taken by Right or by Force but It is Always Given at the Sole Pleasure of the Giver and ALWAYS at His Will, AT THAT RELEVANT MOMENT IN TIME."

And how do you obtain a thing that is not yours?

Do we not "SERIOUSLY and DEEPLY BEG" and request for them?

solite3:
these below where your words,

God's mercy is him paying fully and completely for our sins without our input in any form anybody who chose to add anything to what
Christ has done is under a curse.
That's what I am saying, God has paid for it, therefore, it is His Own.

Now, Whoever wants it Must Properly Ask and Request for it!

Or shall you attempt to Pry it out of His Hands? Or shall you go to the Place where He Kept it, for to take it?

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