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IamMichael:

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.




Christians, will you obey this order from your god?

What you did not know was at this Time of This Law, Israel's (Jacob's) Family was a Holy Nation, a Peculiar People and Truly Sanctified unto the Lord, therefore No Unrighteousness and Wrongdoing was Allowed in their Houses. Exodus 19:3-10.

Therefore Rebellion and All Unrighteousness Could Not Be Tolerated, Ignored or Overlooked by Any Family.

Therefore any and every foolish person who did not do Right but rather foolishly challenged (Rebel) the Right and Lost but rather than take the correction, he goes about with his foolishness, the Law simply provides that when the parents are unable to convince him of his foolish ways and are tired of doing so, they are to take him to the society (the elders- Fearers of God and Men of Truth Exodus 18:21-26), for final Judgement.

And if they find him guilty in that he shall not repent from his foolishness, then he shall be stoned to death (And I am sure you don't know why stoning?)

It is the Law of God that evil should not take or have any hold on the earth, else the earth and all that is in it shall be Destroyed, because evil corrupts, taints and destroys All it Touches as a Virus!

That is why every evil person can not walk boldly and confidently on the face of the earth neither can he publicly brandish his evil accomplishments, for he is supposed to be killed and he shall be killed.

That is the Law the Lord God made and has so Commanded!
ONLY GOOD RULES!!!

So, yes, I will follow and comply with the Procedure Laid Down and DO IT!

Evil, Wickedness, Wrongs and Bads are not Tolerated, Permitted, Allowed nor Condoned in my Home!

Repentance is simply 1) Knowing, Understanding, Acknowledging and Accepting that You have Done a Wrong or Wrongs,

then 2) that You Do Understand and Accept That in All Truth, You have Done That which You Shouldn't have Done (and You could have avoided Doing if you Truly Did Not Want To Do It) because it was Wrong and should not have been done in the first place,

then 3) You are Truly Sorry for doing the Wrong and you desire to undo it or in the least give Compensation or Remedy for the Wrong Done,

then 4) You Undertake and Promise to be diligent and cautious to Avoid the Doing of Any Wrongs in the future, to the Best of Your Natural Ability!

All These Ingredients Above working together as a whole is what Begins and Completes the Work of Repentance.

Perfectbeing:
The Judge who is to condemn us is our defense attorney... Halleluja!!!

Only for those who have Requested for Him to take up their case and be their Defence Lawyer and in turn have Promised to Do All That He Has Told Them to Do!

It's called Rock-Gina.

Jullima:
These are the kind of stories you wait till you hear the version of your uncle’s wife.

Your parents and your older siblings visited the same uncle and came back to rave about it.

You were locked out for two hours, according to your aunty she didn’t know it was you (maybe true or false) but it’s very plausible.

Although some people are very good hosts, they offer food first to all their visitors, some don’t until you ask for the food. Your uncle also didn’t offer you food, why blame only his wife?

The only ‘evil’ thing I see here is how you say she treated you differently from your cousins. That’s not a good thing to do. I think you should let your sister go and live her own experience, maybe it will be different from yours, your older siblings had a more pleasant experience or better option, your parents raise their kid.

From experience some visitors feel they’ve been treated badly because the kind of reception they expected fell below their expectations.

In your soul you have given a balanced opinion. I think you are wicked like that wicked aunty.

I have a new mantra I overheard 'What is Good, is Good'.

If you went with the consent of your mother, now is the time tell her to prevent further evil or evils. For it is better to war than for evil to be done.

NewsOnline:
This demonic doctrine of using the Law as a reference for morality while claiming salvation by Grace is exactly where Satan wants the church to be: neither cold nor hot - a horrid mixture that is neither Law nor Grace. Part human-effort and part-Jesus.

Law and Grace don't mix. Christ does it all. But there is something about the arm of flesh (dependence on human effort at obedience) that wants to be relevant in the story of our salvation. That something is Pride. So you think you can keep even an inch of the law by your own power and good sense when God's word says the arm of flesh (human effort) will fail? You that you have NO GOOD in you? God's word says human effort (the arm of flesh) will fail and cannot: Romans 7:18-

"For I know that nothing good lives within the flesh of my fallen humanity. The longings to do what is right are within me, but will-power is not enough to accomplish it."

But Pride in the arm of flesh (human effort) that will fail says[i]: "[/i]No, I can. I still have some good in me. I can keep the law. " Just like Peter who thought He could keep the Law "You shall not bear false witness" when the going was good. He ended up denying Jesus 3 times.


Now that people's eyes are being opened to the Truth of Righteousness by faith through Christ, some "men of God" who used to teach "keeping the law" as the means of attaining godliness/righteousness before God are trying to make their false doctrine more attractive by dressing the Law up as something that we keep on the side as a guide to living a morally upright life after we are justified by faith. Such say:

"Yes we are justified/righteous by faith and not by the Law, but we still have to keep Law, not for justification before God but as a guiding principle for morality."

Believer, flee from this evil doctrine. God's word is very clear on this demonic doctrine that advocates having any kind of relationship with the Law after we have been justified by faith in Christ who is Grace-personified. Grace is enough. See this in Romans 7:1–6:

"1 Now, dear brothers and sisters—you who are familiar with the law—don’t you know that the law applies only while a person is living? 2 For example, when a woman marries, the law binds her to her husband as long as he is alive. But if he dies, the laws of marriage no longer apply to her. 3 So while her husband is alive, she would be committing adultery if she married another man. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law and does not commit adultery when she remarries. 4 So, my dear brothers and sisters, this is the point: You died to the power of the law when you died with Christ. And now you are united with the One who was raised from the dead. As a result, we can produce a harvest of good deeds for God. 5 When we were controlled by our old nature, sinful desires were at work within us, and the law aroused these evil desires that produced a harvest of sinful deeds, resulting in death. 6 But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit.”

What does this mean?

Before we became born-again, we were married to Mr. Law who condemns the best of any who has business with Him. We had the old nature. With Mr. Law, our fate was death because “all have sinned.” Nothing we did could ever amount to anything with Mr. Law. The more one tries to do His bidding, the more that one's faults and failures become evident-

“For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are.” Romans 3:20.

Under Mr. Law, we were destined for death: Hebrews 9— “27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many.” Then Christ found us. He died for us and as us and with His one death, paid in full the wages of sin that Mr. Law demanded for our imperfection. As believers in Christ, we are DEAD to Mr. Law and are now MARRIED to Mr. Grace. Grace is a Person. His name is Jesus Christ. Titus 2:11 says of Him: “God’s marvelous grace has manifested in person, bringing salvation for everyone.”

Remember in Christ we are not under Law but under Grace: "For sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under law but under Grace." Romans 6:14. Many have this verse backwards.

Romans 7:1–6 above tells us that getting back under our ex-husband (Mr. Law) for anything at all while claiming marriage to Grace is ADULTERY. It does not matter whether one is using the Law as "guiding principles for morality" or for "moral excellence" or "as a reference point for good and evil" like the tree of same name or for whatever: it is adultery to sustain ANY kind of relationship with Mr. Law while claiming marriage to Christ- Mr. Grace. Verse 1 above says:

"Now, dear brothers and sisters—you who are familiar with the law—don’t you know that the law applies only while a person is living?"

But satanic ministers say we who have died to the power of the Law and are now the bride of Christ should continue a marriage relationship with our ex-husband and use him to get the same moral excellence and everything else that we need to live a life of godliness which Christ has lavished on us in abundance? 1 Peter 2:3 tells us of our Husband Jesus Christ:

"By His divine power the Lord has given us everything we need for life and godliness through the knowledge of the One who called us by His own honor and glory.”

Believer, we don't have to "cheat on Grace" with the Law in order to get good morals. Everything we need to live a life of moral excellence is added to us freely under Grace - like a poor and immoral woman that marries a rich and powerful Man who has the power to transform her to be like Himself (2 Corinthians 3:18) and literally died for her because He loves her so. But many are yet to see how immoral we all are of ourselves; how poor we are in righteousness of ourselves. The Bible says of ourselves, we have none! Romans 3:10.

Notice verse 5: “When we were controlled by our old nature, sinful desires were at work within us, and the law aroused these evil desires that produced a harvest of sinful deeds, resulting in death.”

The one with the old nature is not a new creation in Christ. He does not believe Romans 5:9— “And there is still much more to say of His unfailing love for us! For through the blood of Jesus we have heard the powerful declaration, “You are now righteous in My sight.” And because of the sacrifice of Jesus, you will never experience the wrath of God."

The one with the old nature is still seeking some righteousness from Mr. Law and feels that God's wrath will fall on him for whatever reason. But the very law that he is trying to keep in order to be moral or get the benefits of being in Christ arouses evil desires in him that causes sin to have dominion over him, “For sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under law but under Grace.” Romans 6:14.

Even worse, those who hold the belief that we who are the bride of Christ have to maintain any kind of relationship with the Law in order to live a morally upright life imply that our Bridegroom Jesus Christ, Grace-personified, does not have any morals and so cannot impart morality to us! Such are saying that Grace cannot teach His bride how to live a morally upright life.

Why would I go to another man (who will kill me at the slightest error) to teach me how to race-drive and for my life too, if my husband was Louis Hamilton's personal trainer who loves me and wanted to be my personal trainer/see me perform well and win so much that He gave His life for these reasons?

Would you really allow another man (who will kill your wife at the slightest fault!) to help you impregnate your wife so that she can bear the fruit of morality (live a life of moral excellence) when YOU are the very definition of moral excellence? But these false doctrine people who push for believers to look to the Law as a guiding principle for morality imply that Grace-personified, Jesus Christ, cannot save you from your sins and will cause you to live a life of immorality! The same Grace of Whom it is said in Titus 2:14—

“He gave His life to free us from every kind of sin, to cleanse us, and to make us His very own people, totally committed to doing good deeds."

Verse 6 of the same Romans 7 says: "Now, however, we are free from the Law, because we died to that which once held us prisoners."

Mr. Law makes no concessions for anybody. He will condemn, adjudge you guilty and imprison you as soon as you start a relationship with him for whatever reason, even if you are just using him as guiding principles in order to bear the fruit of morality. This doctrine is as abominable to God as a woman cheating on her husband in order to bear a child called Morality because she wrongly thinks her husband is sterile. Believer, Christ our Bridegroom is moral excellence -personified! He cannot share us with anyone. Remember Galatians 5:4-

“For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace.”

Law and Grace don't mix. This horrid mixture that is neither Law nor Grace that false teachers are advocating is the "neither cold nor hot" that Christ spoke of in Revelation 3. The one here will lose both the wine and wineskin.

Believer, these false doctrine peddlers who try to get you to commit adultery with Mr. Law are not of Christ, even though they always act like they just finished having lunch with God. They can only be successful in deceiving people who think that they can "at least try to keep the Law." Dependence on human effort is death.

Never trust yourself. Beware of those who mix some Law with Grace for whatever purpose. Their behaviour and false doctrines should not make pastors and leaders try to “help" Jesus Christ aka Mr. Grace by introducing Mr. Law to keep New Covenant believers in check regarding morality. Such are saying that we need to go under our ex-husband the Law to get morality and to be able to live a life of moral excellence since Christ (Grace-personified) has none to give us! No friend! Never! Beware of Satanic ministers who preach this horrid adultery. Christ Himself IS moral excellence-personified! Everything we need for a life of moral excellence we have under Grace.

Beware of those who try to redefine God's Grace as the reason why they can continue to wallow in sins too. Jude spoke of these “scoundrels" in Jude 1. Such are not under Grace but under Satan's control. Grace did not come to accommodate our sins. Grace came to save us from our sins.

Believer, we don't need to go and be having an illicit relationship with Mr. Law in order to get guiding principles for life and godliness when we are married to the Author and Giver of moral excellence! Law and Grace cannot mix. See Paul's typology of Hagar and Sarah as the two covenants of Law and Grace in Galatians 4. Sarah (Grace) did not need Hagar (Law) to raise Isaac (the church.) Grace is enough! “Cast out the bondwoman and her son”! By Grace, we reject any attempt by Satanic ministers to make Hagar (Law) our mother, nanny or helper in whatever form. Only punishment awaits here because the Law condemns everyone who tries to keep it in a bid to earn God's goodwill.

Believer, don't be deceived by these seemingly godly people who try to take you back under the slavery of the Law that Christ has saved us from. The spirit of the antichrist is not anti-God. It is one that preaches strongly on the need for believers to live a godly life, but its own method of attaining or maintaining godliness (after we have been made godly by Christ's suffering) is through human effort at keeping the Law. See Paul's typology of the forbidden fruit as a picture of the law that many are trying to keep in order to be godly in Romans 7:8-12 (MSG version.) This demonic doctrine is the same strategy that Satan used to deceive Eve when he told her that that she would be godly (be like God) if she did something by human effort. But God had already made she and Adam to be like Himself (Genesis 1:26-27.)

Law-keeping for whatever purpose, whether for justification before God or "just as a guiding principle for morality" by those who claim to be married to Jesus (making themselves adulterers) brings condemnation.

Many think that we preach Grace because we want to sin and are saying that it is okay for people to continue to sin anyhow because of grace! Never! There are some people who teach this or even live their lives this way. Jude speaks of such who try to redefine God's saving Grace in Jude 1:

“Some godless people have sneaked in among us and are saying, “God treats us much better than we deserve, and so it is all right to be immoral.” They even deny that we must obey Jesus Christ as our only Master and Lord. But long ago the Scriptures warned that these godless people were doomed.”

God knows about such people who pretend to be under Grace or try to redefine Grace and deals with them. Their rejection of Christ should not make any of us try to “help" Grace by introducing the Law to keep believers in check regarding the issue of sins. Grace is enough.

Paul too was misunderstood and accused of preaching that it is okay to commit sin because of grace by religious Jews who used the Law as a guide for morality (Romans 3:7-. The law condemns the best of us but being under True Grace without reigning over sin is as impossible as jumping into the sea naked without getting wet.

Can you imagine feeling great guilt and condemnation and expecting punishment for the sin of responding with 12 o' clock when the time was really 12.02 after someone asked for the time... and by mistake! That is how much we grace children wanted to sin before God opened our eyes to His Grace- the message of Christ Like our heavenly Father, we hate sin and by Grace, we get to "live in triumph over sin and death" (Romans 5:17) through Jesus Christ- Grace-personified.

When the love of God, expressed in His undeserved, unmerited favour (Grace - our Saviour Jesus Christ) towards us, is unveiled from the pulpit, the people will live right. We love because He first loved us. Under Grace, we have all the moral excellence we need to live a life of morality. Starting a relationship with our ex-husband (Mr. Law) in order to get moral excellence, bear fruit to God or become whatever while married to Grace is adultery.

By Grace, let's keep believing that "By His divine power the Lord has given us everything we need for life and godliness through the knowledge of the One who called us by His own honor and glory.”

By grace, let’s believe Galatians 5:1- “So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don’t get tied up again in slavery to the law.”

Right believing always produces right living.

The Grace is Law and the Law is Grace. But there is preached among us False laws.

NewsOnline:
This demonic doctrine of using the Law as a reference for morality while claiming salvation by Grace is exactly where Satan wants the church to be: neither cold nor hot - a horrid mixture that is neither Law nor Grace. Part human-effort and part-Jesus.

There are now 2 Laws known to men. And people are much more aware of one more than the other, especially these past 70years.

So I propose, go find out what is the True Law and who is giver of it!

There are not 10 Commandments, there are many!

There were Commandments before the 10, and there were Commandments after the 10, not just the 10 alone.

Kobojunkie:
This is an allegory that Jesus told the Pharisees when asked why His disciples did not obey the old commandments like the followers of John the Baptist did.

Pay attention to the separation of the New from the Old.

This is a new issue.

Kobojunkie:
I had to ask because you mentioned them
Each one of the covenants/agreements was made and sealed independent of each of the other agreements.

This does not answer the question asked. I asked you to show that the Old Covenant could in fact be improved upon.

I answered them all. Every Tenant has a Tenancy Agreement with his Landlord until he vacates the property. The Tenancy Agreement runs through the Tenancy Relationship and it always remains in place even if additional terms are introduced. So it is with man and God.

Kobojunkie:
And I also asked you to indicate that God in fact stated that His plan was going to improve the Old covenant which He made with His people, Israel.
Please carefully consider the questions!

That was not you asked, you asked for the correlation between the Blessings in the old Testament and the 'appearance' of no Blessings in the new testament, which I have explained and you got it.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid not everyone fears death, not even the way you think. For some look forward to it -- unbelievers and believers alike!

You can lie to me even easily online, No one can lie to God, He hears and sees your thoughts even before they become yours!

Kobojunkie:
The end started from the point Jesus said on the Cross "it is Finished"! It has been over 2000 years since that event, but do you know what has not failed in all that time? Death! Yes, the chances of dying are greater than the chances of being raptured during any one lifetime.
This is not to suggest that Jesus will not come back as He stated He will in Matthew 25. That will happen but it will likely not take place in at least the next 98 years, and by that time, more than 4 billion inhabitants of this world would have died. So, rather than distract people with such things as rapture and the lot, I think it beneficial to get people concerned about living right for death is coming and soon.
Man is crying? Where?

I have stated that what people call rapture. And I clearly state that it not going to happen the way people think it would. And that it has happened already and may be the process is still going on (but I don't think so).

As I concluded above, Your soul, your choice!.

Kobojunkie:
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Re: Note: satan In Human form Is ruling a Country by Kobojunkie: 5:08am
Old Covenant Blessings

Deuteronomy 28 vs 3-14
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3. Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.
4. Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
5. Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.
6. Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
7. The Lord shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.
8. The Lord shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
9. The Lord shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the Lord thy God, and walk in his ways.
10. And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the Lord; and they shall be afraid of thee.
11. And the Lord shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
12. The Lord shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.
13. And the Lord shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the Lord thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:
14. And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.[/quote]I covered them all.

At this time, Nothing Else matters, The End has begun. Your Soul, your choice!

Kobojunkie:
Is a chicken a duck? Is a duck a chicken? Which is an improved version of the other, an upgrade, so to speak?

You verily know that a chicken (cocks,hens, turkey) is not a duck and a duck is not a chicken. Do not be mischievous here for I would not like it, for this is a very serious issue

Kobojunkie:
Where does God tell you that the Old testament is an upgrade from that which He supposedly gave Abraham? Where does Jesus tell you that the New Covenant is an UPGRADE to the Old testament?

I am not going to spoon feed you.
Genesis 9:8-17- (do we not still have the rainbow till today among all the other laws).

Genesis 17:2-8-(is Abraham's Family not, now, today, a Whole Country? And is it not because of his house/country that we follow the Christ today?)

Leviticus 26:1-46-(is there any soul on earth who has not been inflicted by these laws, even today? No not one).

While all these covenants and laws are running, The Lord Himself has warned us "let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes" Mathew 24:17/18.; Genesis 6: 11-13; Genesis 18:20-22/Genesis 19:12-15. Finally, Christ said "as the days of No-e were... For in those days... they were eating and drinking, marrying... "(fucking and cumin, buying cars and building houses etc); "And they knew not..." Mathew 24:37-39

Mathew 5:17 Christ clealy said-I did not come to destroy or change the Law, I came to Complete and Fully Fill it!

Kobojunkie:
You would first need to show that the Old Covenant could in fact be improved upon, to begin with(with scripture), and then show where exactly God stated that He was going to make an improvement to the Old covenant which He made with His people, Israel.

I have shown and I have answered!

Kobojunkie:
What angels time? Those who stay behind? The vast majority of those alive on earth today will see death before anything close to an escape of such can take place. Rapture is a distraction from what is most important and that is living a life of obedience, for that is how to live without the fear of death.

Death is nothing and means nothing to Those who have obtained the True Life, not this die-able and killable living. But the True Unkillable and Indestructible Life.

All who do not have it MUST FEAR AND MUST ALWAYS FEAR DEATH!

What is called Rapture refers to the MARKING AND SEPARATION OF SOULS INTO 1) Death by Eternal living in Shame and Torment which you have experienced even on this earth, which you even have Breaks From, but now, No Breaks in between Torments . Mathew 24:51, I know you know all the other ones in Daniel, Isaiah, Revelations etc.

2) Eternal Life of Goodness, plenty plenty even, Not-good no even dey not to talk of Wickedness and evil. John 8:51; John 7:38, Mathew 5:3-12.

THE MARKING HAS ALREADY BEGUN! Mathew 25: 31-34; Ezekiel 9:4. The Seals in Revelations 6 and 7 are Opened!

The End of This World has Commenced Already and that is what you see in the noise and cry going on all around the world.

But this is Only the Beginning (0f Sorrows). Man has only just begun crying but he has not yet reached the limits of his crying capability. This world would not end until man almost bursts his neck from crying aloud!

Kobojunkie:
Have you compared those blessings in the Old Covenant with the blessings in the New Covenant?

Let me start with New Convenant! First of all New Convenant (Contract) does not mean the old Contract is gone. It means Updated and An Improved Contract.

The Law is-"I am the Lord, I Change not". And He rarely changes anything He has Done, Because they were Good when He made them, They must be Good forever.

So it is with Everything He made, 99% of the time, they have never been changed and they would never change. Chicken has always been chicken, same for goats, trees and man. (Evolution shit is meant to deceive foolish men who have not many knowings and who do not see).

So the Contract which began with Noah Improved with Abraham, Isaac, Improved with Jacob, Improved with Moses and Finally Over-Improved with our Lord, God, Called Jesus, the Christ. And this is the last Improvement of this world and no more Improvements until the world ends.

Now, Blessings! To sharply put it, the Blessings of old that you would like have been taken to the New House in Front (new world). They are not for us anymore in this world, ever since our Lord God came and left, like He did to Lot and his family.

The Lord God and His Angels have finished visiting us. Those who go out with them shall escape the oncoming destruction and doom!

Those who stay behind can continue in their 'blessings' until the destruction meets them and their 'blessings'!

That's why those who have the understanding of the Most High know that, this is the entering into, of the Ark of Christ Time and Following the Angels Time, and Leaving Everything Time!

Whosoever that is not in the Ark and Whosoever that does not follow the Angels of God, shall Die! This House (World) is marked for Demolition. Those who do not heed the warning and leave, shall be demolished together with the House!

So, therefore the Blessings which you seek are in the New House, not in the old one. Just as You do on earth, New Houses Come with New Things and you Send Ahead Your Goods to the New House before you bodily leave!

Kobojunkie:
Have you compared those blessings in the Old Covenant with the blessings in the New Covenant?

Erm! Give me an idea of what you are talking about.

Kobojunkie:
I was referring to the verses and the particular rewards you were referring to, not the people you listed, many of them whose story is well known to me.

Okay. The Law is contained in the verses, Proverbs, Psalms have most of the Laws clearly spelt out. But these Laws are continually repeated all over the Bible.

Kobojunkie:
"Dead" is the word we the living use in describing that kind of sleep from which we have no direct control over.
ok
Well, I was not thinking at all of the examples you have given above.

I know that's why I selected other unpopular examples for you to see that there are many other uncelebrated persons who obtained the same favour and the love of God, just like the well known Persons.

budaatum:
See us see trouble o! Its why I asked him if I started this thread!

He did not understand

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid I have to ask, so I am sure of what it is you are referring to. For one, I can think of many kinds of rewards that both the righteous and the wicked got... Death for instance
So you need to tell me what you are referring to here.

Let's start with Death! You see and think that the people you bury are Dead. What did The Lord say 1) Lazarus 2) Jarius' Daughter? Did you observe that Christ was not ready to attend to Lazarus and was going to move on, but for the fact that the people were crying?

What you call or rather whom you call Dead, is not Dead BUT "Sleeping". Therefore I can say none is Dead, only sleeping.

Rewards of Evil Doers! Judah's Sons Er and Onan The people of Sodom and Gomorrah were not only killed, there ground too was thoroughly killed too. Eli's sons, Saul, many kings of Israel and Judah. The Law- Proverbs 10: 2/3; The fear of the Wicked, it shall come upon him: but the desire of the righteous shall be granted. Proverbs 10:24;

Rewards of Righteousness! Joseph, David, Job, the Hebrew mid wives, Obed-edom's house. The Law- There shall no evil happen to the just but the Wicked shall be filled with mischief Proverbs 12:21; the Wicked shall be overthrown and are not, but the house of the righteous shall stand. . Evil pursueth sinners: but to the righteous, good shall be repayed.

Vic2Ree:
This is quite vague. Can't you explain in more understandable fashion?

I can, but I won't cos it really is not your question, hence not your answer!

Tmach137:
My guy how far? Actually I agree with you. I ASKED a question. I challenged you. Dat is different from making a CLAIM. As to ur answer, I'm yet to see any semblance of reason in them.


Are u tired already?

Thank God that you have confessed that you Agree with me.

And after an Agreement, Striving Ceases! Case Closed!

Coooooourt!

Tmach137:
This is probably the most generic response any Christian would ave given to my question . Everything is just as expected. The smug ad hominem , the false sense of knowledge ,....

Thank you- thank you-you-thank0thank you, you're too kind

Tmach137:
Y do u guys make claims only?

It's you who asked a question, we answered. Now you have carried the Goal Post away to say that we are the ones who made a claim when it is You who is challenging us with a Question and we have given you a Shoryuken Answer and you are now K.O on the Ground, cos you know your question is Dead Already

Tmach137:
Learn d difference abeg. a CLAIM and an EVIDENCE are NOT the same..

U said nothing cannot come from nothing abi? So tell me, what was d state of the universe when T was equals to zero? And pls show me how u arrived at dat knowledge. Present credible and testable evidence

As for ur number 2 "evidence". Pls expantatiate. Thank you

heeheeehee! I have answered you. This is not a reasonable question that comes out of the your question for now you commit the fallacy of the Presumptions for you are presuming that there is a universe (which is not the issue), there is T and there is "equals to zero".

This is another Issue and not the present issue.

Kobojunkie:
They all obeyed the law of God and not the wickedness in their hearts!
Every moment we determine whether to follow the wickedness that is within or to do that which we know to be right. Same as those men who walked the path of righteousness. Job describes the path he chose in obedience to God in Job 31. Obedience is the key!
What type of reward?

Come on now, you've proven that you are very knowledgeable of the Bible, you shouldn't be asking this question.

Kobojunkie:
That is not even a question either because the answer has always been around for all to see. The heart of man is extremely wicked... Sin sits smack dab in the heart of ALL men... !

The question is Why? How? But we also have men in the Bible who the Lord found praise worthy (Noah, Abraham, Joseph, David, Job), are they not men also? How, did they become so cherished by God? What did they know? What are the things they did and what are the things they never did? Can we not do the same and get their records too?

Surely you have seen that all the Wicked people got the same type of reward and all the people who attempted to do Right and Good had the same type of reward.

Tmach137:
I have a simple question for d christians...

does any of u have any credible, objective, verifiable, empirical evidence that your particular god (in this case, Yahweh) exists? Can dis evidence be accepted in a court of law or in a Science classroom in any secular university?

If any christian here can present such evidence, i will surely convert to Christianity and share my testimony here on nairaland with reference to the moniker dat won my soul.

As someone who has been asking these questions for years, im going to predict the kind of answers the Christians of this forum will give me

1. Answers dat mistake knowledge with beliefs

2. Answers dat display ignorance on what constitutes evidence for the existence of something

3. Answers dat betray lack of understanding about d burden of proof

4. Answers dat are at conflict with science

5. Answers dat reveal lack of understanding of who atheists are and what atheism is

6. Answers dat conflate religion with d existence of God's

And finally,
7. Ad hominem, direct threats and insults


I want to be proven wrong but unfortunately dis has been my experience with Christians. Like I said anyone who can answers dat question in a straight and honest matter will not only win my soul to Christ but will earn my highest respect.

You no dey dey for class wen we bin prove am?

Mr Proof and Mr Lawyer, you know the answer already but you just want use opportunity take bash and Prosecute us Followers of Christ and Lovers of God.

So make I give you the short cut answer since I don tire for today work and I Neva chop, so I no get power for long stupid argument in proof. Make you manage this one,

You Lawyers or ask your lawyer whether It is Not The Highest Law that 1) Nothing Comes out of Nothing!- Therefore Something comes out of Something.

2) it is the Highest Law that "You can not place a Thing on Nothing, and that Thing shall Stand!

It is your Law that the evidence of 2 is True. Make I go see wetin dey lockdown my wackees!

Kobojunkie:
In his letter to the churches, Jude warned Christians from disrespecting heavenly beings such as Satan reminding them that even the angels would not directly rebuke Satan.


That said, probably best to lay blame where the blame lies.


God did say the heart of man is extremely wicked. He ain't pinning man's sins on Satan. So why do we?

Every man is responsible for his own sin, that is clear.

The question is what or rather who makes makes man do what we see he did not truly intend to do at the first?

For we have seen a man plan to kill his friend because he wants his friends wife. That is clearly the intention and act of the man. No dispute here

But we have seen a man did not plan on cheating on his wife, yet events bent him to do so, it would not be out of place to enquire why he did what he did. And then we remember what happened to Eve, and every one is Eve, they all fell.

Therefore the conduct of the-evil one is without excuse and he must be answerable, for as it Written in Law, the Cause of the cause, is the Cause of the Effect!

onlyinJESUS:
who is the human form possed by Satan?

Satan is one evil soul who is Purely Evil, as in, it is Only Wickedness that comes out from him.

And being an evil spirit, he is replicated in the spirits of many human people, who themselves Love Wickedness and Evil, therefore the Bible also calls them Satan and children of Satan.

The children of mangoes are still mango, so also the children of Satan are still satan.

And they are very many all over the world and you even see many of them here on nairaland.

Offpoint:
You want to answer me, go to my thread and do so.


I still don't see an answer to the question I asked in all you've written.

Now I am certain I answered you for clearly asked in your thread for the clarification.

Offpoint:
Thanks, you've answer one part of the question.

The last part, if he knew... Can that still be classified as a SACRIFICE?

Which I have shown above!

Of course, he was satisfied before.

But I believe the true question is Shall a man be satisfied with only his wife?

Yes he can, as long as all the things that made him satisfied in the first place are still in place and he wants to stay satisfied with you alone and you help him be protected against those girls out there and in there from getting to him- (he thinks he is the one cheating and you too, but it is actually those wicked souls out there who set him up to it)

All these and more are the work and works that need to be done in marriages.

bright007:
So this guy created this thread and is basically telling us God sacrificed himself to himself!


How does that make sense?

Oh yes He did that but who requires a sacrifice, man or He?

I know I do and I have taken it and I Thank Him accordingly.

And as I said it is only for those who want Him.

He who has done no wrong, does not require Forgiveness. I Do Wrong, I need His Forgiveness, hence I Always need His Sacrifice.

But you are perfect and alright and have no need for anyone. That's fine for you, that's fine for me!.

We are all fine, therefore, no problems for You are fine to do whatever you like with no question, I am fine to be a Bound to Christ.

In the end everyone is fine! No problems here.

Offpoint:
You want to answer me, go to my thread and do so.


I still don't see an answer to the question I asked in all you've written.

I went back to look at your question and now I know I answered it for a fact, even though it is a much loaded question with children and grandchildren but all the answers to them are either within popular knowledge which I didn't have to state or I addressed them.

budaatum:
Love the reverse psychology, lol. You can't stop me even if you tried really really hard.

Of course! You are not my creation, so I wasn't even trying,

Offpoint:
You want to answer me, go to my thread and do so.

I still don't see an answer to the question I asked in all you've written.

I was in your thread, page 7 which I think would be lengthy for you to keep track of all that is being posted there. Therefore you may miss my answer.

For I also had wondered about your question long before you asked, and I was glad to find the answer, which I was therefore pressed to share here.

I surely know that your question is based on the many intricate understandings of the bits of the Bible in relation to the whole, which I am happy to make an attempt of Explaining each part in relation to the whole.

Which is what I have presented up there for all to shake.

So if I have not answered the question you asked, please restate it here that I may respond. Thanks