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dipo2much:
I no gree. E get any special agbo wey †нє other teams dey drink ni?

Abeg make we no dey give all these bad ppl more reasons to dey mock us.

Injuries are inevitable

Honestly, the self loathing from Arsenal fans is heart rending, I'm not even interested in proving to anyone that we are on the right track again sef
anyone can believe what they want about our future but I'm very concerned that fans can't even enjoy a win anymore and will only look for ways to ridicule their own team.
It is very sad but that is the power of the media unfortunately.

I went to both soccernet and goal.com and the biased reporting of the win was appalling, imagine on goal.com in the player ratings only one arsenal player was given a 7 while they gave a Udinese player 8 and two others 7 despite arsenal winning 1 - 0 and edging possesion 54% to 46% according to stats from Soccernet's website. They even gave Szezesny a 6 and gave the Udinese keeper 6.5 and I thought to myself, if our players were so bad  and we were overrun but our keeper kept us in it without conceeding, surely he deserved some recognition.

It is so bad that someone even has to go and create a fake facebook page pretending to be Nasri and saying he was leaving with bitterness in his heart and Soccernet gleefully went to press with it without verifying it was actually Nasri  

Seems every news about Arsenal isn't complete now if there is no negative spin to it.

Well, if it is arsenal against the world, so be it. I'll be standing by my club at all times.  

Succintly put without my epistles Debo. 

debosky:
You guys need to stop repeating these fallacies -  We need to improve in organisation and cohesiveness and not focus on some miracle working defender.

Amazing how an often repeated mantra by pundits can assume a guise of gospel truth. I must confess even I at a time started to want Samba as the CB that would make all our problems disappear. 
Blessed are those who believe everything they hear from pundits, for of such is the Kingdom of Delusion!

Roland17:
@duduspace
The overall performance of the team was dismal, u could even watch wenger on the stands visibly irritated and angry at the team, we did not control the game, they had chances and were physically fit more than we were, so much needs to change if we hope to go past the group stages of the champions league and that is if we survive the stadio friuli.

Out of circumstances like this atimes a great thing springs. The turnover of the playing staff at arsenal is too high and no matter what people say, it mostly boils down to money.
on that pitch today we had out players who have not even had a full season in the PL. I think they deserve credit for their effort. Unfortunately it will take this team time to settle yet again, you don't lose players like Cesc and Nasri and not feel it.
The important thing today was to get a win and not conceed a goal, the team will build on from there hopefully.

debosky:
^^^
If you and your Walcott haters talk again, I will whip y'all with koboko.  
He is our most potent attacking threat after RVP - end of.
Dunno who Angelo is TBH.

I still want mooore but I agree A-40 made the right call. I would have sold the boy a long time ago.
Even his composure on the ball is a lot better. Give me credit though, even Theo agreed he was dire that season.

debosky:
That was a bit nervy wasn't it?

Good to see Theo score and good to keep a clean sheet, but worrying signs in all areas of the pitch.

Upfront, we aren't creating nearly enough - for all the critique of Chamakh, very few good crosses into the box today, and we all know that's what he thrives on.

In midfield, Rozzi tires out too quickly, leaving us to struggle - and what do we have on the bench? A 19 year old with no top level experience for us.

Perhaps most worrying of all is the way our defenders are dropping like flies - first Gibbs, then Djourou (who had probably the worst 9 minutes of any sub since Eboue's terrible display a few years ago).

Wenger surely won't refuse to sign a CB will he? Vermaelen is obviously now a back up LB, leaving us only with Koscielny as our reliable CB, and JD injured. . . .let's not even talk about Squillaci.

Good to see Theo's dynamism, but Gervinho needs to up his game and Ramsey, for goodness sake stop losing possession in dangerous ways in midfield.

Can't complain too much though, two clean sheets in the first two games.

Starting the season in barebones fashion, we need more bodies in . Who is this Angelo Ogbonna we were linked with today?
Just checked him up, we nor need to go Serie B naa.

coogar:
if only you could comprehend well, you wouldn't bandy useless links around.
buyout clauses don't affect foreign clubs going to la liga to poach. it's free-willy otherwise benitez would have paid 80 million euros for torres and man city would have done the same for david silva.

ask the intellectuals around you - they know the story.
barcelona had bought ronaldo from psv in 95 for 17m. . .a season later, while still in contract with a huge buyout clause to his contract, inter were only able to sign him for 19m.(what uefa ordered them to pay).

you have been exposed as a doofus. i have given you plenty of examples of the transfer sagas.
i don't go around putting links of obscure websites where the headlines have no correlation with the direct quotes in the article.

english clubs are not bound to the buyout clauses. they never have, they never will
spanish club to spanish club is a different ball game. the buyout clause can be triggered or not depending on the selling club and the player himself.

for instance, real madrid paid the full buyout clause of figo from barcelona. . . . .spanish club to spanish club.

Speak to the hand matey, all we have are your words. Show proof or keep shut.

Roland17:
Another disapointing night at the Ashburton groove.

How so? do they have to smash every team 4 - 0 before you give your team any credit?

proudly9ja:
We did well defensively. I hope the injuries to[b] Gibbs and Djorou [/b]are minor injuries.

Going forward, Walcott and Gervinho did well too though they need to improve on the final ball.

Tough match, good result

Did they look bad when going off? I wouldn't be too worried about Gibbs personally if Traore didn't also limp out of the Reserves game yesterday.

The lads have tried and I'm liking this new found resilience. It was important that Udinese did not score. 
and that was not an easy match by any standards.

Good stuff there from Gerv.

Just noticed, what happened to Gibbs and why is Jenkinson at LB? 
A bit distracted, just noticed we've already lost 2 players to injury.

Roland17:
Age has certainly caught up with Rosicky

Very badly.

Szczesny is doing a very good job.

Boiz, score one more naa, this is precarious ground.

coogar:
how does this affect the price of fish? i am saying foreign clubs are not bound by buy-out clauses.
it's just a starting point for the selling club to start negotiations with the foreign clubs. i dunno why you have been so thick to understand simple illustrations just because you are saving an ugly face. there's nothing to save here, dudu. . . . .you are butt-ugly.

You looking in the mirror matey? 
you are wrong but too dumb to appreciate it, just zip it.

coogar:
what an idiotic twunt.
you are drawing links out and it's goal.com you could bring up? goal.com that have stark illiterates like ibime and co writing stuffs for them.
i can bet your rusty left testicle the journo who penned this does not know the meaning of buy-out clause.

At least I'm not quoting an urban tale without references, you will be more believable if you post anything that backs up your assertions about Lizarazu and Ronaldo's transfers? 
even if it is a University term paper out of your own efforts? 
I've asked you to debate logically and not recourse to rude insult that require no intelligence to churn out crying shame that is beyond you neutered bozo, you're totally lacking in cojones.
I'm pressing a pause on this discussion like Dipo suggested, it just aint worth it.

coogar:
mumuface. . . . .there's no discretion! if the discretion ish works why would any club insert a 1 billion euros buyout clause in a player's contract. now i know you are a stark illiterate. the only reason you are not dead is because it's illegal to shoot you - otherwise there's no need for you to be existing with your poop for brains.

yes, uefa forced barcelona to sell to inter milan. ronaldo hated staying in barcelona after his brilliant season. he was still under contract and he was unsettled. inter milan came calling, barcelona were enraged and they insisted if inter milan wanted the best player in the world, inter must pay his full buyout clause which was a ridiculous amount then. inter flipped them a bird and the case went to the courts.

uefa then ruled the buyout clause is nonsensical and it was never designed to affect foreign clubs. it was put in the contracts in the 80s because of the protest of la liga players who feel club owners had too much power and the players had none. so they ordered inter milan to pay the market value of ronaldo(£19m) then and the matter was closed. same as lizarazu!

1 billion euros is enforceable?
this boy is a born cretin.

it is not designed for foreign clubs. as at the period this clause became the ish in spain, spanish players don't even play outside spain.
that was the basis of uefa ruling in ronaldo's saga to inter milan. it was put in place to boost the player power of la liga players who felt they were being used as slaves in the 80s. the buyout clause became an escape where which a player can buy his remaining contract and break free if he's unsettled. that was the real reason spanish clubs started inserting it in contracts.

foreign clubs have never been affected by it.

Stupidity galore, are you implying for once that all tranfers in spain have been to the full sum of buy out clauses even when there have been disputes? 
You are wrong in fact and wrong in application, not that one would expect a cretin to be able to appreciate facts or apply them rightly anyway. 

Here is an example of a buy out clause enforceable even outside of spain in Portugal in the year 2011 before you start quoting an irrelevant history, use your head and stop ranting. It is not about the country. It is the discretion of the club and mitigating circumstances like the Webster ruling I pointed out.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/596/exclusive/2011/06/11/2526026/juventus-will-not-meet-30m-buy-out-clause-for-porto

1 - 0 to Arsenal.

A-40s boy is looking very good , 1 nil to the Arsenal. Feoooo

coogar:
look at this geriatric ape who doesn't know where pensioners like him belong - dragging footie issues with me? what other burden of proof do i need to bring? i have cited aguero's case. torres had 80 million euros buyout clause on his contract when benitez paid 27 million pounds to cop him. if it was any of the la liga clubs, the buyout clause would have kicked in.

buyout clause for foreign clubs is an urban myth? so city paid the full amount of 60 million euros to get sergio aguero? you are a consummate cretin.
i now know why your head has an irregular shape. your brain is lop-sided. the cerebellum and the thalamus have swapped positions.

it is not binding to the clubs outside spain, you soccer illiterate.
buyout clause was meant for domestic clubs not foreign. . . . .barcelona and athletic bilbao had to drag inter-milan and bayern munich respectively to court in the tedious transfer saga of ronaldo de lima and lizarazu. . . .because of this buyout clause palava. barcelona wanted the full buyout clause to be paid by inter and bilbao wanted the same for lizarazu when bayern munich were sniffing him.

uefa told barca and bilbao to eff-off and the buying clubs should pay the value of the players in the transfer market. . . . . .since then, all spanish clubs fell into line and they will never charge a buying club outside spain to pay ridiculous buyout clauses.
ronaldo is on 300k per week for 5 yrs. his entire contract is worth just 80 million euros. . . . .but his buyout clause is 1 billion euros. how does that work? the clause was only put in place because they would not expect any team in la liga [/b]to pay such amount. . . .if city or arsenal have to bid for ronaldo, abu dhabi will pay 1 billion euros to get him? mumuface, you believe such fantasy?

you are a mutant ruminant animal. . . . . .a downgrade to debosky's specie.

You continue to show an inability to learn. I am done bandying words with a recalcitrant doofus
what part of [b]"It is the discretion of the selling club to exercise the buy out clause"  or is your brain manufactured by Microsoft?

Did FIFA or the courts force either of the respective clubs to sell Ronaldo and Lizarazu to the buying clubs? if so can you kindly supply those rulings and the court's pronouncements or is that another of your urban myths you dream up in your mostly idle time?

If you do not understand law, I'm sure there are forums out there where you can learn. The contractual terms are between player and club.
YES, buy out clauses have mostly become symbolic as they are hardly ever enforced but they are enforcable provided all conditions are met. The only counter ruling that invalidates a buy out clause is the one from FIFA called the Webster ruling.

To say that they are not enforcable outside of spain is a blatant lie or ignorant ranting.
FYI, if a player is contracted to a spanish club and within the first 3 year protected period of the Webster ruling, the spanish club have every right to insist on the full value of a buyout clause, whether it makes economic sense to keep a player who so desperately wants to go is a different matter entirely.
it is not about the country in any way.

coogar:
if i am wrong, the burden of proof is on you to prove me wrong. . . . .otherwise, seal your lips with a bull's Fluid.
you stated a monumental goof, i called you out and you want to dispute the truth to prove you know it all. if you are still arguing buyout clauses affect foreign clubs to la liga then your intelligence has gone to sewer. you are not mentally balanced enough to engage me in a discourse.

You are totally pathetic, you make mindless utterances with no basis whatsoever and then tell me the burden of proof is with me. Have you ever engaged in any intelligent discourse in your life beyond a screaming match of invectives? 
Firstly, you challenge my statement about Cesc's transfer without giving any proof bar an urban myth, I asked for clarification and you refused to give any. I then went ahead to show you where your urban myth falls flat on its face and here you are asking for proof. 
Why not book yourself in for a brain transplant instead?  

The fact remains that a buy out clause is legally binding whatever club a player is transferring to out of spain or within spain, it is the discretion of the club to exercise it or not. Prove that wrong or zip it and stop justifying your ignorance.

Breaking news: Carlos Vela goes to Real Sociedad on season long loan.

coogar:
you are a consummate tool. . . . .listen to me like you have never listened to anyone in your life.
buyout clause is only valid between two spanish clubs. it's a requirement in la liga for every player to have a buyout clause. it's just a guide the selling club can use as a defence if they are not willing to sell to the buying club in la liga.

if a foreign club comes, the buyout clause is completely ignored. aguero's buyout clause in athletico when real madrid were sniffing him was 60 million euros. it's a ploy used to scare away the vultures of la liga and prevent them from poaching from clubs with lower spending power. when city came calling, aguero was sold for 40 million euros cos the buyout clause will not apply to man city. man city is not a spanish club.

if you know any foreign club who has paid the exact buyout clause stated in a player's contract in spain, kindly print it here otherwise shut up.
every football fan i know is aware that buyout clause are just playthings for la liga clubs as a scarecrow.
foreign clubs are not bound to such clauses. olodo with octagonal shape.

i have known this piece of information like 10 yrs ago and you are here debating what the world already knows.
stinking twunt!
sad that you have relegated debosky to the shallow pool mentality club of yours. minute by minute, the smartest arsenal fan(debosky) has been turned to an ape. . . . . . . .now i have to visit the chelsea thread more frequently and talk to the gurus there.

I know who the tool is and your insults are simply bawlings of a baby caught with fingers in a cookie jar.   
You are factually wrong and have been so dumb to have believed an urban myth since 10 years ago without the intelligence to get your facts straight in the intervening period.
It doesn't matter what country the buying club is from, a contract between Cesc and Barcelona is binding anywhere he is tranferring to in International football
accept your lesson in jurispudence and walk away with your tail between your legs, or better still zip it and stop responding to every post including those never addressed to you in the first instance without getting your facts straight. 

I'm still awaiting your response to my last post, or do you think I will just accept urban myths as gospel truth?  
Those who seek to correct others should have their facts right or what do you think?  

slimshay:
@Dudu, Yes its true. I dont have references myself, I read something about it during the Aguero transfer.

No, it is not true and I'll clarify where exactly it becomes an urban myth. What he implied is absolute balderdash.
The fact is that in spain, every contract is required by law to have a buy out clause which is legally binding under Spanish law and hence enforcable under FIFA statutes
what Coogar says applies only in spain actually applies everywhere as long as the contract is binding
the agreement is between Cesc and the club and not other parties
in trying to show me up he exposed his own ignorance of the law.
Buy out clauses don't really count for much with player power, but it doesn't matter if the transfer is within spain or to another country, that is factually wrong.
I challenge him to call me out on that with facts and logical points, not mindless insults.

coogar:
as a footie acolyte, i expect you to know this.
technically, the buyout clause is only valid between 2 spanish clubs.
the way in which it can effect a transfer between a spanish club and a club from outside of spain is that it can be used as a guide to the price that they would be willing to accept. . . . . .

This is beginning to sound like an urban myth.
can you quote your references and examples? 
and can you kindly expatiate? what exactly you mean?

That a buy out clause is not legally binding if the transfer is out of the country or what? 
I wonder what kind of jurispudence that is in a domain that has a central governing body in FIFA.
I hope you realise that it is always the discretion of a selling club to exercise their right as specified in the buy out clause, NO?

slimshay:
@Dudu, we dont buy waste material from Barca.  

Slim, emi o kin sako o, its not likely he'll come back but who knows he might get into fistcuffs with Pep tomorrow. 
my babalawos are working on some eedi jazz, the kind that makes a private slap a General in a jampacked officer's mess

coogar:
buy-out clauses don't affect foreign clubs buying outside spain in general.

While this might be true as I haven't checked it up but can't see the sense in it, this is a specific clause that locks in a max price to be paid if a return is ever on the cards.

Interesting snippet I just heard on Sky about Cesc's contract, there is a buy back clause which locks our purchase price in by overriding their buy-out clause. Basically it means if he chooses to return to arsenal, the buy out clause of 170m put in by Barcelona does not apply to us. We will pay them what they paid us to get him back. Not sure what that is about sha, but that might be what Arsene referred to about people not ruling out a return.

So RVP is new captain? can't say he doesn't deserve it with his commitment and all but I would have liked that pressure off him with the captaincy going to TV5 so he can concentrate on scoring goals, I don't recall it working well with Henry or Cesc but good luck RVP, it isn't easy being the arsenal captain in these times.

Why is this Wilshere ankle becoming a long thing again?
when he walked off, I thot he would be back in 1 week, am I just being impatient?  

Good idea about not selling B52 jare, I never wanted him to go and recent events must have deflated his swollen head a bit or is it his father's head? I must say this is a bit ominous for Chamakh though, if Arsene prefers to play a possibly exiting Bendtner ahead of him, doesn't look good at all, is his confidence that shot?

I will go and jon that AST sef, seems some rabble rousers have hijacked it. Self harm never helped any one. I can understand fans getting carried away by emotion during matches, but no official supporter body should be condoning such. They are beginning to lose their standing with the board with some unneeded ranting. There are some reasonable people there as they started the fanshare scheme but it seems some of them need to be reined in.

Who was it that told me to be careful what I wished for about Supporter ownership again? damned good prophet you are.  

coogar:
which words are against the forum rules - just admit your vocab pool is shallow. 
mr mumuface - arsenal's youth policy expert.

right before our eyes, nasri is leaving, fabregas is gone, clichy left(this season alone)
when will wenger finish building his team? he has not gone past the foundation stage since 2005.

Yes, and they still trashed your lot today. 

The day calling someone a fuckwit becomes acceptable language in any society is the day we will all start moving around on all fours like you.
As long as your lines were funny, I could stand it and replied in kind.
I draw the line where you start to chuck that kind of of insult about, that is not a road I'm willing to go down.
If you can't understand that go get your feeding bottle.  
Keep it clean and funny and we can do this all day mods permitting , that would be the true test of your vocab. What says you?

coogar:
and what part of this balderdash addressed the topic we are discussing?
crikey me, duduface has just broken the record of the most idiotic homo sapien on the face of the earth - keep going, ape!

You lost your priviledge to be listened to by me when you started chucking words that go against forum rules. I indulged you once and won't descend into stupidity
My vocabulary of Mandrill babbles isn't that well developed thank you.

coogar:
the deal was done before friday morning. . . . . .that's why arsene hasn't played cesc in the pre-season even though cesc was fit.
why would cesc decide to travel to barcelona just before the start of a season if there was no done deal? are you a lobotomized ape?

fufuface, i know you are a fuckwit but you are pushing the boundaries really hard now.

Cool down and don't blow your top or you might just fall off that tree, your babbles are getting even more incoherent and will soon reach fever pitch.
You were always a dickhead and I knew you would soon get to a critical point when you run out of ideas, when yu're ready to discuss civilly I will indulge you.  For now I hold my peace, point made.

coogar:
gagging order was put in place after the pre-negotiations around may.
wenger wanted to be the guru to reveal the transfer today for his pre-match conference against udinese - so he had gagged cesc since may.
mumuface, chief silverback ape!

Yu're chasing your tail now but that's hardly surprising of a confused mandrill.
how does a gagging order yu said was issued in may during pre-negotiations  validate your assertion that the deal was done Friday morning?
only in sauron's confused mind does pre-negotiation confirms a done deal hei? 

coogar:
cesc was on his way to catalonia before wenger halted him.

wenger's press conference was on friday morning saying he expects fabregas and nasri to stay!
as at then, cesc's deal has been tied and sealed. cesc said he couldn't say anything concerning his transfer because arsenal gagged him!
what other possibility do you see here? ape duduspace. when i see octagonal cranium like yours, i know half your dna is apish.

Human-baboon hybrids are easily recognizable from their tendency to grasp at straws or anything in sight that resembles a twig. 
Was the gagging order put in place before or after negotiations?  
Look behind you, I think your prominent sacrum is making someone uneasy.