₦airaland Forum

Angelfrost:
I stand corrected sir.

Don't stand corrected anything... Doctors are the top health professionals.
These ones just appropriated the name for registering trade union so that they can feel satisfied

Correcto:
Doctors are very greedy even while the earn highest in the health sector. Why are nurses, lab scientists, Pharmacists, etc not on strike? Does it mean FG have solved all their problems? FG does not care but doctors also don't care. I wonder if soldiers who pay supreme price on a repeat and consistently goes on strike like this. No should ever compare the Soldiers' Frontline and doctors' Frontline again, they are not same.

Stick to being the cowards you are and stop moaning about the people leading the charge.
Bloody cowards, like nurses, lab scientists and pharmacists are not dying. Keep scurrying around behind, we are not afraid to take charge and do the dirty work for the benefit of all. That's leadership, not constant moaning and trying to be what you're not.
If you feel the demands of the docs are not in keeping with your sentiments, pls refund the federal government when the hazard allowance and other benefits come.
We are talking of people dying, and you are hear playing this stupid politics that you will forever be on the losing side.
May your bitterness be your burial

Kubernetes:
I don't think the area where these fulanis graze will be inhabited in the next 100 years.Its the deep bush.

There's nothing like deep bush down south... Towns fight over land for farming and even forests are marked.
Imagine southerners strolling into the north and living in deep bush(which the north has plenty) with out permission.
Ironically, the north believes in segragation and restricts foreigners into certain urban areas which is why they find it hard to mingle down south like everybody.
Living in the bush down south is not permissible because those lands belong to communities for farming and game, they have not been designated for rent without pay

Ojiofor:
Why can't these people rent houses and live in towns and cities like everyone else?

I wonder o

Kubernetes:
It's good we,once in a while read the constitution of the federal republic of Nigeria.
It says the citizen has the right to stay in any part of the country.
Even if the fulanis leave,the criminals will rather have a smooth operation of their bad act, because the bush will be empty and good for hide outs.
The gvt there can relocate the fulanis to another grazing area.I know Delta people isn't as macarvelic as others in the south.My Omo Agege,come to their rescue

That you have the right to live anywhere doesn't mean that it should be rent free and devoid of regulation. These lands belong to government and certain individuals,vthey are farmlands and lands marked for various purposes. If you want to relocate anywhere, you don't just move like animals do and drop your load anywhere then start claiming it.
Advocate for the right reasons except it's ok for a stranger to arrive at your house and start living in your parlour without rent or permission.
Every other ethnicity will mingle except northerners

lakeside79937:
I could understand the frustration of nigerians am a nurse here in England you cant see a doctors except if you are a corona patient or only and only if you have trauma or life threatening injury .
I tried to see a doctor last week I was told not to come to the hospital they took my details and they told me a doctor would call me so just to let every one in nigeria know that I was seeing through the phone and my prescription was sent to me .
Again I want to let you know am a nurse in my local hospital before the corona if any one goes to the hospital for any reason even if you are dying you will wait for at least 4 hours before you can see any doctor only if you are brought in by ambulance that they will attend to you straight away am telling you this from experience i work in the hospital and have never had any priority cos i work at the hospital you cant jump the queue .
And YES here in england

Tell them my dear, tell them

I thought criminals were based in Anambra.... Well, what do we know

Investnow2017:
My bro. It is not a case of having the money now, it is getting ventilators and enough lab and testing kits. I think that is why he mentioned "supply chain". But what baffles me is that all along they have been assuring everyone that they are ready.

Additionally, only about 20% of those who where placed on ventilators in New York survived. Once a Covid-19 patient gets to the point of having to use ventilator the chances of survival especially for those that have underlying health issues is very slim.

We do not know what we are dealing with yet. I am very very concerned about our fire brigade method. Brazil recorded 407 deaths yesterday alone and over 3,000 testing positive in just one day.
.

Any body needing life support already has a high chance of dying from any disease causing respiratory failure like covid.
20 percent is a very big percentage to dismiss. It suggests that out of 20, 4 will survive.
I will rather be given that chance if it comes to that than to just die especially if young.

Luchitec:
Why are you so uncouth? I was forced to comment on this thread due to your outbursts and claims. You haven't started with me? As in what way?Dude, you sure have some problems.

Well, check yourself for problems
Which outbursts and claims? It's you that dived into the thread making wild allegations
I make no claims, it's facts for those on ground
We have already concluded that attending is suicide without PPE and we already know the number dead from not doing so
stick to that and stop whipping up trouble

Luchitec:
I don't think it is a good idea to accept PPE from their patients. PPE from an infected patient might end up as a COVID-19 transfer agent. I certainly understand the financial angle to these things. Some doctors earning as little as N150K per month (quoting Dr. Funmisticqueen) is unbelievable. Nonetheless, some PPE gears are reusable; just good disinfection after every shift is required. Some companies here have also come up with the idea that cyclic steam cleaning at high temperature can actually make PPEs like N95 masks reusable.

It's certainly not a good idea to accept any PPE from outside which is why I mentioned it that way, buying it in the open market too will have those same risks
Some PPE gears may be reusable but it will increase risk for those who will recycle it back or those who will do the disinfection.
It's not a bad idea for people like us with meagre resources but it will have to be investigated properly and efficacy established before making it an option.
It's a mad world out there currently, things are just going bad and bad, many hospitals have been shut and this crises will expose a lot about poor facilities and available manpower healthcare wise.
I sincerely hope the Corona virus numbers dwindle, I pray about it everyday or else it will be devastating

Luchitec:
I am beginning to doubt that you are actually a medical doctor. In the days gone by, real doctors are known for their comportment and composure no matter the stress and provocation. Instead of countering my comment with valid points just the way Dr. Fumisticqueen did, you resorted to name calling. I repeat again; dude, your recent outburst further confirms that you never practiced in any developed country. There is a certain degree of quality and class that comes from professional experience acquired in a setting where things are properly done. By the way, did you ask why Nigerian medics should run round sourcing PPEs with their money? It is for their own safety. If the government failed to do the needful, will these medics just fold their hands, doing nothing to protect themselves as much as they can? Finally a word of advice, if you are really a medic; please tone down the tantrums, it's unbecoming of somebody who calls himself a trained physician.

Mr suddenly matured, you are the one who came here making wild unfounded allegations about hardworking medics and trivialising their work, go and work on yourself and leave docs alone.
Yes, in your dictionary doctors should be calm, sit down, shut up and just take it abi? I haven't even started with you.
Go and use your money to buy and donate PPE, your mates are doing so already and doing all they can to help.
If there is no PPE, no one is attended to, simple.
There's no emergency in a pandemic.
Go and ask the families of those that were infected and gone.
Have you even ever bothered about them? Have you started a gofundme for them or donated to assist them as their bread winners are gone?
I guess the answer is No... But you want more suicidal 'heroes' to die or rather go around buying their own PPE at astronomical prices with meagre resources.
SMH

Luchitec:
What is your point? I previously suggested that the least any medic can do is to source for his or her own PPE if the government/employer fails to make enough PPE available. Doctors and nurses need to be alive in order to serve the society, their own families included.

If they work at federal teaching hospitals, why should they source their own PPE on the black market ( if you're not aware, protective gear is now scarce and prices are inflated). If they ever do that, it will deplete their already meagre pay.
Maybe all intending patients should buy PPE on their way to the hospital.
This is clearly the responsibility of the hospital, quality control is also very important.
In summary, my point is your are pointing fingers at the wrong people.

maasoap:
May be you should Google the number of casualties in USA, UK, South Africa, Egypt. Health workers are undoubtedly life savers but many health workers in Nigeria have no business being health sectors.

Are we competing for numbers of dead health personnel with these countries? Bros na competition?
Covid is a new disease that no one was prepared for or knew it's true extent, no one knew it could kill such numbers and those guys that died where the first ever responders to the disease hence the casualties.
They know better now.
That doesn't mean we should tow their path of rushing back to work without proper PPE. That's like flipping the coin of death repeatedly.
Let's put the right things in place first before asking for people to die for us.
Enough said... This discussion is over for me.

maasoap:
Stop being sensational, it helps no-one



Why would I today? Was I there yesterday? And don't digress too much because I hate that. Cardiologist handling the case talked and assured them on the phone. simple gloves and face masks are not scarce commodities in Nigeria hospitals. That would have been enough to have a look

Cardiologist handling the case called and assured them? Are you serious? That's how Corona entered university of Ilorin teaching hospital and infected all the doctors that attended to the man that died shortly.
At risk patients for Corona are already those with known problems like the index patient at UNTH.
Stop trying to rationalize what you don't know and didn't train for, stick to being a sensational emotional commenter on nairaland and with unverified reports from the front lines
And you keep saying that simple gloves and face masks are not scarce in teaching hospitals and I repeat my question again- how did you get this info? Do you work there? Are you part of the govt propaganda arm? I'm just trying to understand if PPE is hidden somewhere that we don't know, maybe you are privy to info

https://www.nairaland.com/5812200/40-health-workers-tested-positive

@ maasoap and luchitec oya o

E don happen... The statistics are out!!!
40 whooping health workers!!!
And ingrates here will be asking why they didn't do anything without proper PPE
Covidiots!!!

maasoap:
I don't know it is that bad at teaching hospitals! Hospitals never lacked gloves and masks, stop all these sensationalism.


I don't have business attending to patients. They should have stayed at their home too. Ignorance kills faster than disease itself.
We read a nairalander here narrated his experience at LUTH. Doctor refused to attend to all patients, telling them to bring two separate results of covid-19 tests that would be done on them within 48 hours! Is that one a doctor?

Pls stop commenting about availability of gloves and masks if you can't go and verify yourself. You will rather believe hearsay, speaks much about how you reason like you're not in this country called Nigeria where funds and resources are lied about or diverted.
So you suddenly don't have business helping out with healthcare ABI? How convenient... But you want other people to work without tools of the trade or protection.
Those doctors in LUTH are already in the future if you ask me and even healthcare in the western world will drift that way. Many hospitals may incorporate screening for covid into their normal pre-admission protocols before admitting or performing procedures.
Ask your government who own the teaching hospitals to provide gear and testing kits, protection and more testing will protect everyone.
Stop attacking medics in a society that doesn't sacrifice for themselves. And better hope they invest in healthcare rapidly or else na burial every week

Luchitec:
Your submissions on this thread suggest that you never practiced in any developed country. It is only in Nigeria that you see some medics acting so cocky, with little passion for their job. Yes, some of the medics in Nigeria lack the much needed passion to save lives. Where I live, many doctors and nurses go the extra mile of using their personal money to source for PPEs during this COVID-19 pandemic. Given the scarcity of PPE everywhere, many medics here have been collaborating with universities and the private sector to devise alternative PPEs and medical equipment. Why are they making these aforementioned efforts? They do it because medical practice is a higher calling. it is a call to service. A service where the joy of saving lives supersedes any financial reward or public acclamation arising thereof. May God help Nigeria and Nigerians in this difficult time.

Guy, stop giving us lectures about a higher calling blah blah blah and writing epistles. Healthcare jobs are what they are- jobs. It's just sensitive and you are under obligation to do your best not to kill yourself.
It's now that you know it's a service and higher calling abi? Using which money to source for PPE? where will they source for the PPE? PPE that people like you in the public are selling for astronomical prices. Why don't you attack them for having a higher calling? Yet you want the Nigerian healthcare workers with meagre resources to go running around in this social distancing time looking for PPE to buy with their money because of what?
Commenting like a kid who doesn't know what life is with oyibo being larger than life in your infantile brain.
Pls stop commenting these nursery rhymes Mr 'where I live', go and buy PPE and donate and stop looking for heroes that you are not. You stay in your house shiting your pants and making comments online while people are making sacrifices.

bobolaga:
Sorry for the lost,i keep saying this,all Nigeria doctors are ritual,they know how to preserved human kidney,livers and a lot of body parts to another counties,that is why they are not interested in any emergence brought to them,no rituals can be done with out doctors involve,they are very good in lies to parents about new born baby placenta,they knew how much they get from those parts,how did you expect them to be serious on any emergencies.

Oga stop smoking weed

Correcto:
Lol you are just funny. I see different frontlines almost every 2 weeks. I don't like to boast so I leave it here.

My point is the people at the point of care know what they are seeing. This problem is systemic, many clinics in teaching hospitals run out of stuff and barely have water to wash hands. Only those who work there know what they see.

Correcto:
Did you provide any statistics?

Do you work in a hospital everyday
Till you do pls don't comment about PPE unless you are the supplier or you are holding the warehouse key

pacino26:
I pray you get out of this hell hole some day to practice. I pray you be placed on emergency services then carry your Nigerian doctors' mentality of nurse the patient paid for card yet? go there.

Guy, I have practiced both abroad and here and I have nothing else to prove.
Stop talking about things you know nothing about and go to sleep with your ignorance. Continue responding like u would do in your family meeting.
If I am placed in emergency services abroad, they have their sense of ethics intact and won't send you to war front bare. Google and see what they wear. They have improved allowances, life insurance and even get financial support from the govt and you are here ranting.

maasoap:
Oga, leave trash for LAWMA. That woman could have been attended to or examined by wearing face mask and hand gloves. Most especially when cardiologist had talked to them on the phone. Or, teaching hospitals lacks face masks and hand gloves.

Well, go to the teaching hospitals and check what they have first before making comments. And pls, volunteer at your nearest teaching hospital to assist in carrying patients if you are so passionate, maybe it will help you see what's on ground. Leave naira land and go to field yourself if you dare then return and tell us tales pls Mr lawma

RTSC:
Those doctors in dangerous war zones and on humanitarian duties.
Are they practicing a different brand of medicine?
Are they a different kind of doctors?

I am not hoping brief for the govt. They have failed.

But the ease at which you support ignoring a human being to die just because of PPE does not sound like what a doctor should do.
Someone that has not even been confirmed to be infected with the disease.

It sound like what someone in the business of buying and selling commodities would do.

People should leave medicine for those that have the empathy for it.

Like I said... Doctors are trained to make very important decisions that you can't reason our with emotions
The facts are clear but you choose the emotion path asking 'how can we?'
Most patients with covid are even asymptomatic, no one should actually be attending to pts without PPE. The new cases in abia state offer insight. Covid tests takes time... Are you willing to flip the coin and take that risk? We have already lost some 'hero' docs, some died from lying patients.

Without protective gear and water, will you run into a raging fire? Any doctor that attends to a PT without protection is a fool and he committed suicide. If he dies, he is lost and irreplaceable, the community is left worse off and more and more people will die. These are tactical decisions, not emotional ones.
Frankly we are in a mess, and I hope it doesn't get worse than this or else dead bodies will litter the streets.
Mind you, the healthcare workers abroad are stretched to there limits and demanding for more PPE to be able to do there work. Many have died and are still dying and Nigerian docs are learning lessons from them since covid-19 is a new disease.
The first rule in all situations is to be safe first before saving another.
Imagine someone drowning and you jump into the river to save him with knowing how to swim or the right gear to keep afloat? You will die and be rightly called a fool

pacino26:
Mr dokita so with visual inspection you arrived at your diagnosis that she is Covid 19 positive abi? My anger is not because Ugwuanyi did audio 500million, but that the negligence of your kind is alarming. A lot of people have died waiting to be documented, some died cuz folks like you would rather wait to be served fried rice before you handle an emergency.

You know nothing about sacrifice

The word is not 'diagnosis' but 'suspected' covid and yes, part of arriving at that conclusion is to ask questions and assess from a distance.
Pls why don't you 'sacrifice' yourself or rather sacrifice your salary to buy the scarce PPE and supply to these flash points of care.
You want all the docs to commit suicide till none is left- moronic reasoning.

Amhappy:
They had PPE. Got this info from a reliable source. Some people has collected query because of the death of this woman. A lot of big names were concerned hearing this kind of story from UNTH.

Of course the administrators will say they have PPE when it gets out, the issue is where was the PPE?
People just post like if they are in a different country that's not Nigeria.
You send people to a&e naked, a suspected covid comes and you start going to the warehouse "somewhere' to bring the hoarded PPE instead of issuing it to staff which takes 30mins or more then the patient dies in that interval- who's liable pls?

Princewell2012:
So the doctor can not lay their hands on any nose mask and hand glove to attend to the woman? hmm but when she died they were nolonger afraid of her corps. Does it mean that the dead body of an affected person can not be transmited if it get in contact to another person?

Will you attend to a known covid patient with the road side facemask and hand gloves?
Nigerians are just incredible people.
You guys think this covid thing is a joke, just wait a little longer, it's loading

RTSC:
That is the problem.
We have very few doctors. Real doctors called to the profession.

What we have are science students who hated maths, have a flair for biology and decided to study medicine because they heard that doctors are respected and rich or because of their parents.

Most were not destined or called to be doctors.

There are doctors in war zones risking their lives for humanity.

You know those ones are called to be doctors.

A real doctor should not watch someone die because of PPE, especially when there is no certainty that the fellow is infected in the first place.

Hahahaha...@ the bolded.
Very incredible statement.
So when it finally becomes certain and the doctor dies shortly after like we have lost some already due to insincere patients, who will continue the covid war? Will you provide for their loved ones and families?
Besides that, the PPE also protects the patient from the at risk health workers if the pt does not have PPE.
There's no emergency in a pandemic pls.
Channel your grievances to the appropriate quarters or you go for a short course on attending to patients and actually attend to them yourself without PPE.
If changes are not made like acquiring more PPE or making ventilators available for cases like the index case with severe distress... Many more people will die sadly including the health workers you are glad to kill

Correcto:
Trash!!!!! Doctors hiding under Protection. Doctors in UNTH have fair amount of protection equipment but are just afraid. See in New York some nurses and doctors were reusing PPEs which is dangerous but they never ran away from their patients. Doctors in Nigeria are in for their money only.

Please reply with adequate statistics and not fair amount. If you are privy to how the PPE was shared, pls let us know. You can't attend to suspected covid pts with just gloves and that flimsy face mask u guys bandy about.
Just listen to.yourself@ re-using PPE. does that sound sensible to you? Why don't you suit up too with re-used PPE and accompany the docs in Nigeria just to stand and document for them. I bet you won't be caught anywhere near any patient suspected to have covid so why do you think other people without adequate protection should?
Have you seen what the ncdc guys wear? Have u seen that in any teaching hospital? The advise to the public is not to come to hospital if having covid symptoms but to call ncdc... Why do you think that rule is there?
Nigerian teaching hospitals are not centres for suspected covid cases, if suspected, it becomes the job of ncdc and the isolation centres to continue.

RTSC:
God forbid, but if I were in the husband's shoes, my life's mission would be ensuring that those health workers lose their license from doctors to nurses.

I will sue them till they get tired of life.

Infact, the medical director would be part of those I am suing.
Nobody would tell him to fire all of them.

Bros, it was suspected to be covid case, what do you want them to do without protection? It's just like running to embrace a dying ebola case gasping for last breath with your bare body and hands... Who loses in the end in that kind of scenario? Everyone loses including there own families.
Doctors are trained to make this kind of decisions worldwide and ethically, they have done nothing wrong because they observed the first rule for any highly infectious disease when suspected.
You should rather express concern for a system where politicians and government officials are wearing all the protective gear meant for health workers while the health workers barely see to use.

spiceadole:
Thank you..
Even here in UK where the availability of PPE is good..We are scared.
Not to talk of Nigeria...I would have resigned or taken a leave this period ,if I were still in Nigeria.

My life first!
My family needs me more than any patient!!

I pity doctors in Nigeria.
I pray this pandemic doesn't become overwhelming.

I was in the UK too and I'm getting scary tales from there so I understand.
Trust Nigerian docs to be very careful especially now that patients are not been sincere with travel history and people movement still going on despite the lockdown.

Was what was published true or not? If he had any grounds for malpractice by the journalists, they can lose their licenses via the courts and most likely be jailed or the newspaper may be sued for damages.
This is clearly just a rant due to political annoyance, the journalists were clearly not falling in line.
The lassa fever issue is not new news, ebonyi is the lassa fever headquarters in the east