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This is what you expect the opposition parties to be pointing out so as to challenge the president to deliver. However,they are also looking incapable ,unorganised and not ready for leadership.

It is not about removal of fuel subsidy, The fundamental question is what will happened to the billions of dollers that is going to accrue from that? Some naive persons will say it will translate to developement. i laugh I assure you just like me and you know the money will soon be appearing in swiss banks et all. What Labour and every unbiase observer is saying is- tackle the corruption around it ,increase our refining capacity. not if these had been done all these fuel subsidy removal will come forth to nothing. because the senators,governors,ministers will now have more revenue to steal from and more hardship for the masses. this is the reality. we are all Nigerians we know what will happen.
Someone says there will be a dedicated account for it? i laugh againg C`mon who will execute this projects? the same PDP Goons?
I will still give my President the benefit of doubt and support his policy,just my observation.

wow!wow! cry my beloveth country. i want to give up on Nigeria when i read this kind of stuff. But i am encouraged by my friend Seyi who just married an Igbo girl despite stunch extended family resistant and they are extremely happy together with one child. I am also encouraged by an Alhaji who just gave his house for free to a widowed Igbo victim of fire. Obora is very instrumental to Abdul current graduate education status. these are the average Nigerians that will make this union work.

Fellow compatriots, Irrespective of our political differences and our sectional affiliation, irrespective of whether we voted for or against GEJ,
Our country is under attack from those who want to bring us down to our knees and cut all the ties that bind us, so that we can no longer act as one.
Now is not the time for bipartisan machinations or tribalism, now is the time for us to unite behind our President no matter how incompetent we think he is.
Let us support and pray for him as he fight for our future, let us bear in mind that yes ethnicity and religion may divide us, yet geography, common history and the same aspirations has brought is into this century as one indivisible nation, a nation that our fathers sacrificed their lives to ensure that it stay thus.
An attack on any region or followers of any religion is an attack on all of us. My Fellow countrymen, Unite behind our leader as we approach these dark days ahead.

Thank you Anwar h for the comment above. Excellent move by Goodluck. Fellow Nigerians our collective existence is being challanged by a group of terrorist. we must come together as one to defeat them. This is not a Christian/Muslim fight,Neither is it a north/south devide. It is a GOOD VS EVIL fight. Long live the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

Baslone-Reason given for the xmas attacks?  

I never even heard of these events ! Guess I have a lot of catching up to do!
@Baslone the reason why you have not heard of these event is because of the media conspiracy i enumerated below. A lot of artrocities are commited also against the muslims by christians in the North but majority in Nairaland and national dailies do not pick it up.that was why @muyoto on page 1 didnt know the difference and reported thus-"WTH are these zombies talking about? didn't they claim responsibility for the blast? " That is i why i keep repeating unless we take the responsibility of verifying fact and condemning killings of human beings be they muslims/christians rather than taking sides,we will never see the end of this. This letter above from BH is a very dangerous development. what it means now is that they are looking for more symphaty and recruits from victims of violence in Plateau,Kaduna and Bauchi. If our leaders dont act now and they succeed i foresee more blood. May God destroy them.

What ever you say there are people that have already made up their minds that BH equals muslims. However most muslims are victims to BH themselves and are powerless against them. The Government should up its intelligence capacity and deal with this menace.
I condemn the christmas day bombing as the work of terrorist and blood thirsty monsters that deserve to be fished out and executed for killing innocent Nigerians.
However,to some Nairaland commentators,whe must learn to condemn evil whoever committed them. it is wrong to castigate islam when christians are killed and be muted when the same crime is committed on muslims . Even the media is guilty of this "Where were they when Muslims were attacked during the last Eid-Fitr celebration that preceeded the month of Ramadan in Plateau State where Muslims were attacked, killed and maimed? Sixteen people were not only slaughtered, but roasted and eaten. About a hundred vehicles burnt/destroyed. mind you this crime was also commited in a mosque. I REPEAT THIS IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR THE XMAS DAY BOMBIN HOWEVER SAME DEGREE OF INDIGNATION SHOULD BE EXHIBITED IN SIMILAR CASES.

"Why is this thing looking like a conspiracy of silence from the media both local and foreign? Are Muslims animals? Are they not citizens of this country? Why is it always silence when something happened against the Muslims.
Yes i know i will soon be lablled a BH or a BH sponsor. But truth had to be told. Muslims are victims to this BH menace too and until we the GOOD PEOPLE (CHRISTIANS/MUSLIM ) FIGHT THE EVIL PEOPLE( BOKO HARAM), we will continue to fight each other while BH will achieve their aim of disintegrating the polity. The fight is between good and evil not between christianity and islam.
The first man to fight BOKO HARAM on a national scale is a muslim scholar from Kano Sheik Jafaar. He faught BH even before the federal government both physically and spiritually. He was murdered in cold blood inside his mosque in Kano by BH . How then can you ignorantly wake up and blame muslim/islam for BH?
Guys this is the 21st century, if the media is compromise you can google and carry out your individual research before making unguarded comments that will forther aggravate the situation. Religious war can consume me and you and our families. God bless you.

What ever you say there are people that have already made up their minds that BH equals muslims. However most muslims are victims to BH themselves and are powerless against them. The Government should up its intelligence capacity and deal with this menace.
I condemn the christmas day bombing as the work of terrorist and blood thirsty monsters that deserve to be fished out and executed for killing innocent Nigerians.
However,to some Nairaland commentators,whe must learn to condemn evil whoever committed them. it is wrong to castigate islam when christians are killed and be muted when the same crime is committed on muslims . Even the media is guilty of this "Where were they when Muslims were attacked during the last Eid-Fitr celebration that preceeded the month of Ramadan in Plateau State where Muslims were attacked, killed and maimed? Sixteen people were not only slaughtered, but roasted and eaten. About a hundred vehicles burnt/destroyed. mind you this crime was also commited in a mosque. I REPEAT THIS IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR THE XMAS DAY BOMBIN HOWEVER SAME DEGREE OF INDIGNATION SHOULD BE EXHIBITED IN SIMILAR CASES.

"Why is this thing looking like a conspiracy of silence from the media both local and foreign? Are Muslims animals? Are they not citizens of this country? Why is it always silence when something happened against the Muslims.
Yes i know i will soon be lablled a BH or a BH sponsor. But truth had to be told. Muslims are victims to this BH menace too and until we the GOOD PEOPLE (CHRISTIANS/MUSLIM ) FIGHT THE EVIL PEOPLE( BOKO HARAM), we will continue to fight each other while BH will achieve their aim of disintegrating the polity. The fight is between good and evil not between christianity and islam.
The first man to fight BOKO HARAM on a national scale is a muslim scholar from Kano Sheik Jafaar. He faught BH even before the federal government both physically and spiritually. He was murdered in cold blood inside his mosque in Kano by BH . How then can you ignorantly wake up and blame muslim/islam for BH?
Guys this is the 21st century, if the media is compromise you can google and carry out your individual research before making unguarded comments that will forther aggravate the situation. Religious war can consume me and you and our families. God bless you.


Why don't you guys sound this lofty talk when Christians are sent to their untimely deaths, but when the poo hits the Muslims, you all come out sounding so peace-loving. If you love them so much, go over to the core North and give them all a hug, sleep in their houses with both your eyes closed. I got Muslim cousins, and I understand their sentiments perfectly. I have almost been sacrificed by them during a crisis in Bauchi. So, all you sentimentals, swallow your voices now.

Mr Chiori, thats the difference between me and you. short of being sentimental at least i condemn the killings of human beings both muslims/christians. but you cannot bring yourself low to condemn the killing of innocent muslims. i challange you to condemn openly the killing of innocent muslims. Your hate cannot allow you do that. herein lies the difference between you and BH.

What ever you say there are people that have already made up their minds that BH equals muslims. However most muslims are victims to BH themselves and are powerless against them. The Government should up its intelligence capacity and deal with this menace.
I condemn the christmas day bombing as the work of terrorist and blood thirsty monsters that deserve to be fished out and executed for killing innocent Nigerians.
However,to some Nairaland commentators,whe must learn to condemn evil whoever committed them. it is wrong to castigate islam when christians are killed and be muted when the same crime is committed on muslims . Even the media is guilty of this "Where were they when Muslims were attacked during the last Eid-Fitr celebration that preceeded the month of Ramadan in Plateau State where Muslims were attacked, killed and maimed? Sixteen people were not only slaughtered, but roasted and eaten. About a hundred vehicles burnt/destroyed. mind you this crime was also commited in a mosque. I REPEAT THIS IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR THE XMAS DAY BOMBIN HOWEVER SAME DEGREE OF INDIGNATION SHOULD BE EXHIBITED IN SIMILAR CASES.

"Why is this thing looking like a conspiracy of silence from the media both local and foreign? Are Muslims animals? Are they not citizens of this country? Why is it always silence when something happened against the Muslims.
Yes i know i will soon be lablled a BH or a BH sponsor. But truth had to be told. Muslims are victims to this BH menace too and until we the GOOD PEOPLE (CHRISTIANS/MUSLIM ) FIGHT THE EVIL PEOPLE( BOKO HARAM), we will continue to fight each other while BH will achieve their aim of disintegrating the polity. The fight is between good and evil not between christianity and islam.
The first man to fight BOKO HARAM on a national scale is a muslim scholar from Kano Sheik Jafaar. He faught BH even before the federal government both physically and spiritually. He was murdered in cold blood inside his mosque in Kano by BH . How then can you ignorantly wake up and blame muslim/islam for BH?
Guys this is the 21st century, if the media is compromise you can google and carry out your individual research before making unguarded comments that will forther aggravate the situation. Religious war can consume me and you and our families. God bless you.

What ever you say there are people that have already made up their minds that BH equals muslims. However most muslims are victims to BH themselves and are powerless against them. The Government should up its intelligence capacity and deal with this menace.
I condemn the christmas day bombing as the work of terrorist and blood thirsty monsters that deserve to be fished out and executed for killing innocent Nigerians.
However,to some Nairaland commentators,whe must learn to condemn evil whoever committed them. it is wrong to castigate islam when christians are killed and be muted when the same crime is committed on muslims . Even the media is guilty of this "Where were they when Muslims were attacked during the last Eid-Fitr celebration that preceeded the month of Ramadan in Plateau State where Muslims were attacked, killed and maimed? Sixteen people were not only slaughtered, but roasted and eaten. About a hundred vehicles burnt/destroyed. mind you this crime was also commited in a mosque. I REPEAT THIS IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR THE XMAS DAY BOMBIN HOWEVER SAME DEGREE OF INDIGNATION SHOULD BE EXHIBITED IN SIMILAR CASES.

"Why is this thing looking like a conspiracy of silence from the media both local and foreign? Are Muslims animals? Are they not citizens of this country? Why is it always silence when something happened against the Muslims.
Yes i know i will soon be lablled a BH or a BH sponsor. But truth had to be told. Muslims are victims to this BH menace too and until we the GOOD PEOPLE (CHRISTIANS/MUSLIM ) FIGHT THE EVIL PEOPLE( BOKO HARAM), we will continue to fight each other while BH will achieve their aim of disintegrating the polity. The fight is between good and evil not between christianity and islam.
The first man to fight BOKO HARAM on a national scale is a muslim scholar from Kano Sheik Jafaar. He faught BH even before the federal government both physically and spiritually. He was murdered in cold blood inside his mosque in Kano by BH . How then can you ignorantly wake up and blame muslim/islam for BH?
Guys this is the 21st century, if the media is compromise you can google and carry out your individual research before making unguarded comments that will forther aggravate the situation. Religious war can consume me and you and our families. God bless you.

Believe me the Northern Oligarchs do not want Buhari to become president because they know what will happen. IBB will rather die than to see a Buhari presidency. thats the extent to which the man man abhors corruption.LOL

This is exactly what i expect my generation to be discussing, how to get the right people there to effect these changes. instead we dwell on irrelevant north/south and muslim/christian deevide. Forgetting that these rogues at abuja comprises of thieves from all region/religion and they dont give a shit about you but their children.
How can our educational system ever be right when all their children are abroad? Hw can our hospitals be right when they fly abroad for headache?

GEJ resign? NEVER!!! that can never happen in nigeria, a president resigning.

As for everyone blaming northerners for nigerias bad situation, please remember in the past 11 years, a northerner ruled only 3 out of the 11 years yet look at how bad the country is. in fact nigeria is worse than it was 20yrs ago. so its clear that whether a leader is from the north, south, east or west we get the same bad result, in fact one turns out to be worse than the other.

All i know is that i will surely vote wisely next elections, will search and try to get as much information as i can about candidates before casting my vote, i urge we all do the same. i mean Jonathan as governor was ineffective, so if he couldn't handle just 2million people, how does anyone expect him to have the ability to handle approximately 170million people.

so far, my vote in 2015 is for fashola or Lamido (if they contest). and if u have better suggestions, please state them and tell me why, i need concrete proof.

Good talk Above.  YES YES I am a Northerna and why should Goodluck resign? we have seen worse Government than this before in Nigeria. The truth is its not easy to Govern this country,we should all be discussing how to support him to succed. The threat of BOKO HARAM is even more detrmental to we the Northerners than southerners. Lets assisst the Government by fishing out the murderers,let educate our children who are being brain washed to carry out this hate crime.
And to all Nigerians as long as you continue to play the ethnicity/religious card,you can never reason objectively,therefore can never profer solution. Not all Northerners or muslims are BH, Just as not all Nija Deltans are millitants or support them.

This writer is spot on. Deviding Nigeria along religious line is a huge joke.

The writer na mumu o. The Northerner wey no dey allow other people lead prayer for mosque na im go con learn from other people on how to behave?
Ko si wahala
Everyday na jaiye jaiye.
E no bad.

You lied about that, For many years the leader of the jamaatu nasril islam in JOS comprising mostly hausa is a yoruba man from ogbomosho. Alhaji Abdulazeez idris. go and enquire

Happy Eid in advance to all my muslim brothers, as you celebrate please bear this in mind
" It is very important to understand that the sacrifice itself, as practiced by Muslims, has nothing to do with atoning for our sins or using the blood to wash ourselves from sin. This is a misunderstanding by those of previous generations. It is not the meat nor the blood that reaches Allah; it is your piety that reaches Him". (Qur’an 22:37).

Note that even the Labour unions are not against fuel subsidy removal. what they demand is not even palliatives. But that government must ensure the existing four refinaries are producing at full capacity and the building of four new additional refinaries. this is not rocket science. this is very achievable and will greatly reduce unemployment. But the government is really not worried about Nigerian economy collapse. rather they are worried about their ever increasing insatiable appetite for xtra cash to steal and share.

I am not a fan of OBJ,but he earn my respect for this. A visit will not end the crisis, however we need constant and realistic involvement from leaders. This is what i espect from Plateau leaders like Solomon Lar,Yakubu Gowon,Domkat Bali,Jeremiah Useni,Ibrahim Mantu,Joshua Dariye etc. instead they are unmindful or taking sides.

@ Okunboy,  This has always been the problem with our muslim brothers and any other muslim for that matter. The usual excuse is that you're not a muslim or you don't know arabic, so you can't understand.  What a cheap way to avoid responsibility. You did not manufacture any of those quotes. These are straight from their books. The next usual argument is for them to start equating these open ended violent verses of instructions to that of the Bible which in reality was to a specific people, time and period.

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 Re: In Your Own Opinion, What Is The Solution To The Boko-haram Crises?
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@ DVee2, I have a few questions:
1.   Where do the extremists get their extreme views and actions from?
2.   What are their sources of knowledge?
3.   Why are they allowed to lead the way for the so-called majority 1.5billion muslims?
4.   Why do they always quote your religious books (Quran & Hadiths) to support their violent actions?
5.   When slaughtering a disbeliever they chant “Allahu Akbar” why?
6.   Would you call Boko Haram, Osama bin Laden, Musab Al Zarqarwi, Aiyman Al Zawahiri, El-Zak Zaky as not true muslims?
7.   Why are the majority moderates not protesting all over the world against the few extremists?

It seems the silent majority are more concerned with dress codes, cartoons and other trivial issues.  This is the dilemma the Nigerian Government is facing right now. There seems to be no end in sight. Islam is trying by hook or crook to dominate the world as the “extremists”  always carry on their placards. I like the part that always blames America and Israel for their problems. He he he “Death” to America and Israel.  

Hello Skydeexy,i was actually responding to @okunboy because he hinted he want to know.dont want a long argument with someone who had already made up his mind as hinted by your comment in green above.
From your comment is ok for us to believe certein verses in the bible are meant for specific people but you would not believe when majority here have written that some verses in the quoran the context is for specific period.how ingenious. However let me respond to your questions with out  digressing  from the main topic.
1. Extremist from all religion gets their views  by wrongly interpretation of their book and this is common in all religion.they can also be influence by radical scholar whose ideology is guided by hate or whatever reason.
2. I guess number answered this?
3. How do you mean them leading the way? A greater percentages of muslims have come out to denounce boko haram,but people like you prefer to propagate the extreme form as
the true interpretation just as you are doing above.you prefer the world to believe your version of interpretation because then you are happy islam is associated with terrorism. sorry truth is always different from falsehood
4. Just like other extremist quote their book,how does this justify to you that the religion is the cause.
5. Because like all terrorist including the swedish killer they have have pervarted version of their believe and are brainwashed
6. Who am i to judge these people? if i judge a human being i have descended to the level of the terrorist themself. What i know is that i am giving you the interpretation of majority of muslims/scholars.
7.When the danish terrorist kill over 100 people in the name of christianity,how many christians demonstrated?does that mean christians are symphatetic towards that act?no iguess is the answer. the truth is that many moslems have come out to condemn these terrorist,but people like you call them all terrorist.very soon someone here will call me boko haram member even though i have denounce their act simple sterotyping i guess.
let me give you an example Osama bin laden have been branded a terrorrist and expel from saudi arabia even before america starts looking for him,but you keep saying no one is doing anything.
Finally my friend we have digressse soo much from this topic which is simply how to stop the boko haram challange.this is the crux of the matter.you can only win this one if you agree and identify that that muslims and islam too is a victim in this madness.wish you well.

Qur'an 5:51, "Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other."


Pls I don't mean to offend anyone here. None of those quotes were any of my word. I will not demean your religion, but when I find something like this qoutes in a holy book,  I need clarification.

OK my friend,what if i quote to you a verse from the same quoran which states the Jews and Christian are the people of the book just like you and you may take their hand in marriage? from the same book is it not contradictory? what it means is their are concept and time for each revelation in quoran,you need to know them to be able to understand why and how. Like someone pointed earlier,you are interpreting quoran the same way Boko Haram is doing wwhich is wrong.
If you are honest about wanting to understand,peolple have explain to you the concept in which some of this verses are revealed.then you compare the timing of the revelation with another verse that says you can take jews and christians as spouse. then you observe that this verse come later meaning that previous era has passed.
you beg to disagree because really your aim is not understand as is the usual practice but to disparge.

It is not enough to just cite verses from the quoran,the question is understanding what was the concept of those verses.where and when are those verses release and who are the target. i leave you to read further or ask.
Having said that,the question is what are the solution to Boko Haram crises and for me i believe we must start by stopping them from recruiting members and future potential suicide bombers. How do we do that ?INTELLIGENCE, Education and standard of living.i will explain:
I was  a witness when an extremist islamic scholar absconded with about 20 children belonging to poor and middle class children in a village in central nigeria. before that happened the scholar had moved in and stayed for three months and parents have reported to authorities about the extreme nature of his preaching,what were our security agencies doing?
How do an islamic scholar brainwash a HND 1 female student dropping out from school to abscond with him negecting her parents objection. how do they brainwash a graduate to tear his certificate and follow their radical views?
We must dissociate from tagging every muslim a terrorist or Boko haram.you might in the process drive the moderate to extremism if their knowledge is weak.Our intelligent agency must step up,the people standard of living must be improved all accross Nigeria and finally our Northern state governors must make education a priority.When someone is preaching western education is a sin,its the government responsibility to counter such argument systematically and practically.God bless Nigeria.

OK am not a Goodluck fan but this indeed is an excellent move.

Whether its Buhari, Atiku or anybody, Yes Boko Haram will still be present because Boko Haram was present too during Yar Adua but restricted their venom to Borno until federal govt killed their leader and they brought their war to them in Abuja.
Northern political elite are more afraid of Boko Haram than their southern counterparts. Go and ask Atiku, the last time he slept in Maiduguri due to Boko Haram.
I find it extremely difficult to understand how even young IPOD generation can still be manipulated this way in this 21st century by this inept govt of Nigeria?

Jonathan during the last election, managed to convince you people that you are not voting for PDP but him and now he is at it again, that BOKO HARAM is all about him. His own way of directing attention away from his incompetence rulership.

Al Qaeda has infiltrated into Nigeria through Boko Haram, instead of Jonathan to start in ernest to combat them, he kept telling people that Boko Haram was political tool against his presidency and funny enough some moronic Nigerians are buying this wicked spin all over again, just as they did during the fresh AIR nonsense.
WAKE UP PEOPLE- please!!

OMG spot on,you just spoke my mind.People think if you say the boko haram threat is politaical then Goodluck is off the hook.no it shows his incompetency.do you know the enormost power that the president of Nigeria holds?who are these powerful northern elite?are they more powerful than Nigeria.Goodluck swore to protect the sovereingty of the federal republic of Nigeria.hence the excuse that some powerful northern elite are making nigeria ungovernable for him smacks of gross incompetency.
BOKO HARAM IS ARADICAL,TERRORIST GROUP.the sooner we begin to treat them as such the better for Nigeria. Aword is enough for the wise. WHERE WHERE OUR INTELLIGENT AGENCY WHEN BOKO HARAM WERE TAKING ADVANTAGE AND RECRUITING CHILDREN OF THE POOR ACCROSS NORTHERN NIGERIA. Our generation must be objective for Nigeria to move on

And the hyprocrisy and double standard reporting of the Nigerian media does not help matters. the christmas eve bombing is widely reported as muslim youth bombing churches at the eve of xmas,however no paper is reporting that the 10 people killed at unguwan rukuba are muslims just going for pre-sallah prayers.among those killed is their scholar who had often come out to condemn boko haram and who was a menber of the state peace commitee working with the state bishop to quell this crisis.Even the state Bishop hsa spoken against this round of christian killing.However some pple on nairaland have no fact but just to comment unfairly.BOTH SIDE SHOULD STOP THE KILLINGS.thats my take.It doesnt matter what religion you belong to,when you kill,hell awaits you.

I believe even the president have the same opinion with this writer that is why this boko haram menace will continue.that is he still look at boko haram as a political weapon by some powerful northern politicians/his enemies hence it will die with time, sorry mr president- BOKO HARAM IS A FANATICAL RELIGIOUS AND TERRORIST GROUP and you need to take on them immedietly. thinking it is a ploy by your enemies to make Nigeria ungovernable for you is being simply naive. BOKO HARAM WAS THEIR BEFORE YOUR PRESIDENCY,THEY ARE THE SAME GROUP DEALT WITH BY YARADUA.THEY HAVE REGROUPED AND NOW HAVE LINKS WITH ALQUEADA IN SUDAN. we are soo caught up with northern/southern political supremacy that we sometimes allow sentiment to becloud our reasoning.haba.

Why are people bringing God and Allah into this matter - they are just watching like the good bystanders they are, the instrument of their wrath (Boko-Haram) is gladly going to work and doing it well. It is time Nigerians start working with their heads rather than their sentiments. Do 30-40 armed men just disappear into the local community and no one knows who they are A large proportion of Muslims support the activities of Boko-Haram by their in-action and silence. The root of Sharia is watered by the violence of religious intolerance. I t has always been the case everywhere Religious Terrorism is rife.


Some people just type without reasoning.where and how did you come to the conclusion that "a large muslim population support boko haram"? we are talking of how to bring peace back toJos. Boko haram have taken advantage of poor and uneducated people into believing their brand of fanatical islam.even muslims are their targets. Jos crisis is a political cum ethno religious crisis about indigenship.so what are you talking about?

Happy Birthday to an ICON. I have been inspired by your intellect long before you accept to serve your fatherland. All they need to do is to go back and read about your writing and they would have realise that you are one of the most detribalise and neutral person you can ever find in Nigeria.
But of course i know all this ranting is not about your ability to deliver but rather its a calculated attempt sponsored by those MDs you expose to put mud on your reputation.Truth will always prevail in the end.

This not a bad idea,thought of this before.will spread development across the country.

Not in my name!!!!


By Salisu Suleiman
Do I have to remind you of the tough battles we fought to get here? For decades, we were treated like second class citizens in this country. We were told that some people were born to rule forever, while we were to remain subservient. We prayed, we planned and we plotted. Today, by divine intervention we have reached the top.

They tried to stop us. They said it was not our time. They said the position had to go back to them. But we came together and gave a resounding no. So they are not happy. They are now blaming our brother for all the problems in the country. But we cannot allow that to happen. We must protect him. He is our brother.

Friends, that is the message I have been asked to pass to you. We must develop strategies to shield our brother. When they say this government is corrupt, ask them, did our brother invent corruption? How many billions were stolen before our brother came to office? And by the way, did he ever promise to fight corruption in his manifesto? When it suits them, they say government is corrupt, but did they not steal money too? We must never forget to hit back when they say his government is corrupt. He is our brother.

Ladies and gentlemen, one of the most ridiculous things I hear people say today is that this government has no vision and mission. I laugh. In all the years they were in charge, tell me where was their own vision? And assuming they had one, where did it lead us? For how many years were we the laughing stock of the whole world? For 50 years, we had all kinds of charlatans in power leading us in circles of poverty and underdevelopment. They were not accused of lack of vision. Simply because one of us is there today, they are saying this government has no strategy to face our numerous challenges. Just ignore them; he is our brother.

Everyone is now saying this country is highly polarized between Muslim and Christian and between north and south. They accuse our brother of employing divide and rule tactics. Tell them: why not? Inform them that we were already divided. But what if he used divide and rule; is he the first? When they were in power, did they not use all sorts of shenanigans to divide us too? We all know what they did. They used the instruments of state and our very resources to create all sorts of divisions and schisms to ensure that we never spoke with one voice. Today, because we have learnt from them and used the same methods more effectively than they did, all kinds of accusations are flying. Forget about them. He is our brother.

They keep repeating that unemployment is a major issue that must be tackled and that government has no direction on what to do. So what? Did he create the problem? Was it not there before divine intervention gave him victory? For all the number of years they were in charge, ask them how many million jobs they created. Yes, bring out biros and papers and demand facts and figures. Ask them to give you the number of jobs they created. That will keep them quiet. And when they keep quiet, put it back to them: how do they expect him to create millions of jobs simply by waving a magic wand? Remember, he is our brother.

When it comes to the issue of power supply, the answer is very simple. Were we not living in darkness before he came to office? How many megawatts were we producing before he got there? You must remind them that when they were there, if they had built more power stations, we would not be where we are today. So even if he begins the construction of power stations today, it may take some years before we see the gains. Hopefully, he will still be there to enjoy the fruits of his labour. He is our brother.

My friends, the most dangerous ploy they have developed is to ask whether you - as a person - have benefited from his, or his party's largesse. They will scare you by saying all of us will suffer hardship and poverty from his incompetence and ineptitude. Tell them it doesn't matter. We also suffered under them. Insult them; call them names and distort the issues, but whatever you do - in person or on the Internet - protect, defend and shield him. He is our brother.

There is a BIG difference between a bank failing and a banking system failing. If Islamic banking is so viable why isn't it bigger in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, and Bahrain? Those countries are all richer than Iran.Why is it that 7 of the biggest Islamic banks are in Iran? And why are those banks State owned? The objective of Islamic Banking is not to charge Riba; why then do 'Islamic Banks' in Malaysia and Bangladesh such as the Grameen bank charge Riba? Conventional banks in the West offer Muslims the ability to make deposits that don't yield interest but the same banks charge Muslims interests on loans and overdrafts.

The CBN should provide the framework for Islamic Banking; it shouldn't be championed by an Islamic Schola who also doubles as the CBN governor? Why is it a personal crusade for Sanusi? Why is Sanusi going all over the world promoting Islamic Banking and JAIZ Bank? Shouldn't that be the Job of Muttalab (JAIZ Bank Chairman)?

The fear that some have is that if JAIZ bank fails, the Government will step in using public funds. If government allows the Islamic banks to fail, Muslim extremists will see it as an agenda and probably start attacks on innocent people and institutions. Nigeria is a secular country and Islamic banking is likely to cause further chaos. Afterall, Islamic Banks are found only in countries that have a predominant Muslim population.

Islamic banking services are available in more than 300 institutions spread over 51 countries, including the United States and the United Kingdom (the same UK of Archbishop of Canterbury and the Anglicans) and Italy (the same Italy of the Pope, the Vatican and Catholic). In the US, the Michigan-based University Bank (universityislamicfinancial.com) leads others in Islamic banking, as well as an additional 250 mutual funds that comply with Islamic principles. In the UK, there is the appropriately-named Islamic Bank of Britain (islamic-bank.com). Islamic Banking is growing at a rate of nearly 20% per year and with signs of consistent future growth. Islamic banking has almost One Trillion US Dollars under management. The UK’s Financial Services Authority, FSA (fsa.gov.uk) says it “welcomes the innovation that Islamic banking brings and the diversity it facilitates.

Exactly what CBN did,providing the framework and guidlines for it implementation and you people said he needs to have gone on enlightenment campaign because of our felow xtians.now they are speaking out and you say the CBN is championing the course.aaah!

OK if the bank fails and government bails it out,so what?hasnt it happen before? what happened to the current bailed banks?the government after stabilising will sell its share back to the public as its about to be done with the current bailed banks.so what is wrong with that?

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Re: Cardinal Okogie Says No To Islamic Banking
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It is absolutely naive to equate Venture Capital with Islamic Banking. Venture Capitalists manage to make profits. The most successful Islamic Banks are State backed Iranian banks. Islamic Banking collapsed in Pakistan.

Islamic Banking requires the banks to take more risks.

see who is talking about collapse banks.So the conventional bank do not collapse? Yes islamic banks can collapse,it is a business for God sake.so there is profit or loss just like any other bank.All they are asking is the ability to try their business legally wether profit or loss.and you are denying them of their citizen right simply because Islam is attached to the name.
for the umpteenth times this is not a government bank,its only regulated by government.

Is Silly Sanusi the Stupid not stooped in stupendous stupor? Hardly have the bombs of Boko Haram boomed away, ploughing through our pecuniary and poverty propelled police posses than that silly Sanusi comes up with his Terrorist Banking. Of course everything Islamic is now terrorist! Whether it makes sense or not.

That is why Jang the Fang, fresh from his rigging spree, wants to ban the call to prayer - that other act of Islamic terrorism that destroy the sleep of the
faithful and unfaithful early in the morning. Lucky some service personnel were wise enough to warn that we do not need another night of long knives, waving machetes from deranged Almajiri, baying like vampires for more of the blood of Jesus, His craven followers, are supposed to drink with his flesh.

Stereotypes. Northern and Southern stereotypes. Stupidity serenades the soft-headed with stereotypes of North and South; blinding flashes of religious and ethnic hatred that prevent both sides from seeing that they have more in common than they have apart. Hooked on the internet and facebook, digital boundaries unleashed across endless possibilities of communication and fantasy; yet geographically bound in their narrow parts of the Nigerian space. Wallowing in the squalor of half truths and half knowledge, our internet gurus succumb to the lowest common denominators of tragic platitudes and prejudices.

Through hues painted dark, in the narrow corners of tribal and religious minds, they see dark evil, where bright light beams, to save them from their own follies.

Like our single stories, told from our narrow points of view, and our group blames that commit murder and unleash genocide, our stereotypes are the seed, earth and fertiliser that bloom the harvest of prejudice.

As 8 year old Almajiri pupils become wanton killers of Southern Stereotypes, they reinforce single stories of wanton killers. Islam becomes the automatic religion of Taliban fields of blood. The blood soaked Americans become rabid saints that give us Rap, Jeans and Sordid Sex. The American holy killers who have buried thousands of Japanese, Vietnamese and Muslim Arabs with atomic bombs, napalm bombs and cluster bombs, come dripping in the scent of saints. The Americans who carted away 30 million slaves from the coast of West Africa, come dripping with the scents of saints.

Oh! The power of stereotypes, so powerful that when we see good we cannot understand it. And when we see evil, we embrace it with lustful desire, wreaking havoc through our warped senses of liberation.

Oh! The power of stereotypes, that a system which can verily save the ordinary man from the usury, the interest rates of Judaeo-Christian capitalism has been dubbed Terrorist banking.

But do you know what Islamic Banking is all about? Before you go up in arms and scream that the terrorists want to rape the last vestiges of your life, let’s find out.

In Christianity they call it USURY. In Judaism it is abhorred, yet USURY became the hallmark by which the stereotype of the evil Jew was adorned in Europe and led to pogrom after pogrom in which Christians repeatedly slaughtered Jews, till it culminated in Hitler and the holocaust of 6 million Jews, slaughtered on the altar of the other Christian God - that the Nazi’s claimed was the same God that the British, French and Americans worshipped – the God of the Jews.

In Shakespeare’s Merchant of Venice, Shylock the Jew, who wanted a pound of flesh for the money he loaned, was portrayed as the very personification of Jewish Stereotypes that persist till this day - that bloody, evil bloodsucker that lent money with interest to “honest” Christians. It is a common stereotype that the Igbo share with the Jews (whom some Igbo claim to descend from). Stereotypes, that like the Jews, led to the rest of Nigeria murdering 2 million Igbo in the Biafra genocide, and yet the other tribes feel no guilt, because they believed the Igbo were greedy, evil, blood suckers. Even the Germans wept and regretted the Jewish genocide. But Nigeria? Not
yet. The perpetrators create more illusions to justify their crimes.

Oh! The power of stereotypes. If the Igbo are not greedy traders, the Hausas and Fulani and mindless Almajiri on the Warpath, and the Yoruba are selfish owambe dancers salivating for the next oversized Ikebe. In our narrow worlds, even with the power of the internet, we do not
expand, we choose not to roam, but to seclude ourselves to the comfort of our little groups and territories in cyber space, from which we can abuse and evict alternative views, which we can embrace, understand and learn from, but nevertheless choose comfortable digital spaces
that merely reflect our physical geographical limitations.

But what is Islamic Banking. It means the bank takes a risk with you. In November 2008, the financial houses of America and Europe came crashing down because of interests that borrowers of mortgages for homes, could not afford. The people that lent them the money, who do not take loans themselves, had long gone with their profits. The poor people lost their homes, their jobs, etc. Lehman brothers, that heart of interest SIN, crashed with thousands of jobs lost. And in the ping pong that followed, like a pack of cards, the Nigerian stock market came crashing down.

Let us understand what Islamic banking is. It is a misnomer. A religious misnomer that tags the only way of lending, that makes sense, with some religious do’s and don’ts, and converts the most sensible way of lending money into what Southern Stereotypes see as Terrorist Banking.

Normal banking with interest is truly evil. These bankers trap you into borrowing money at fantastic rates you cant afford. They take all your profits, or worse still, they plunge you into debt that can plunge you into death. You doubt me? Check the statistics of those who committed suicide during the 2008-2009 world-wide financial meltdown.

What is Islamic Banking. Islamic Banking is Venture Capital – pure and simple. Go and google Venture Capital. It is Venture Capital that built Google, Facebook, Yahoo and all the other gizmos and gadgetry from America’s Silicon Valley. They were started by University students who had no money and who could not take loan from usurious, interest laden bankers. That was their saving grace. Venture Capital means people who put their money together, lend it to the businessman
and take a risk with the business man. If you make money, they share the profit with you according to the percentage they put in. If Nigerian banks had to do that, they will never lend you the money you don’t need and take interest off you. If the World Bank was based on Venture Capital, it means third world countries will not be paying all their money, to service the interest they owe, to banks in Europe and America.

The biggest crime that Silly Sanusi committed was calling it Islamic Banking. That is where his silliness stops. There is no way ordinary Western Bankers in the other Nigerian Banks will agree to the humanity of sharing profits and losses with the person you lend money. Why?
Because it makes them more honest and responsible. For now, once they get your house as collateral, they can give you any amount of money for any stupid idea you have, with the ruthless intention to take your money and your house from you with interests. Venture Capital funding
will never lend money to a fool. If you fail, they fail with you. If you succeed, they succeed with you and share your profits. It makes bankers much more responsible, and it protects the borrower from tragedy.

Once Islamic Banking or Venture Capital enters the Nigerian market, it will overtake the ordinary banks, because it is more customer friendly, and will free you from the evil interest rates of Nigerian banks.

Oh. The Evil of Stereotypes! All this makes me think of the blind rejection of Sharia. Allow people to follow their religions and the religious courts they wish to be judged under. Right now, Nigerian Law is based on British Common Law which was originally Christian Cannon (Church Law) Law. Muslims were forced to submit to it by the British Empire. Christians say Sharia cuts of people’s hands. Yes its literal application does that. But let’s put it in context. Today, cutting the hands of a thief will seem draconian, but in 6th Century AD Islam, cutting the hands of a thief was an act of kindness in an age of swords and ruthless, evil kings. At the time, from Europe to Asia, there were hideous ways of killing thieves - burning, dungeons, beheading – and the terrible drawn, hung and quartered - thieves were drawn by horses pulling from either ends till their bones popped from their joints, then pulled by horses till almost dead, then hung up for the City to see, then when they died were cut in four pieces.

Prophet Mohammed (SAW) introduced hand cutting in Sharia as an act of kindness, and increased the degree of proof required, as in the case of adultery before stoning, which is very difficult to prove. But the Truth is we are no longer in the 6th Century AD and Islam needs to
update to what the Prophet Mohammed (SAW) would have done if he were here today. In other words Islam should get more imaginative, follow the Heart of the Prophet and ask: What if the Prophet was here today, how would he have responded? as opposed to an Arabia of ruthless murderous kings that wanted to destroy the Prophet and his message.

So perhaps Silly Sanusi is not as silly as we want to make him out. He should stop calling it Islamic Banking and call it Venture Capital banking – then it is up to Muslims and Christians to use a more humane banking system, to decide whether or not, to invest in Pork, Halal Meat or Digital Fantasies.

Oh! The Danger of Stereotypes!!

Single stories
Killing glories
Group Blames
Fan flames
Deadly Stereotypes
That evil hypes
We revel in possession
Claiming with passion
You and yours
Me and mine
Boundaries and Lines
Laced with mines
Of hates and shames
Burning in flames

I am not a Northerner. I am not a Southerner. The Truth has no tribe or religion. The Truth is Neutral. The Truth is Deadly. But the Truth shall set us free.

Not my article,but a brilliant piece for one with open mind.

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Re: Cardinal Okogie Says No To Islamic Banking
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Please look at the requirements for opening a islamic bank. If it requires you to be muslim, then it fails from it onset since it discriminates against other religions.

Thats my 2 cents.

Santony there is no requirement that says you must be a muslim to open an islamic bank,infact some of the approve ones are calling for shareholding take up from all nigerians already.However there are guidelines as to how to operarate it.briefly no giving or taking of interest,and no transactions in some few prohibitive goods/services like gambling,alcohol to mention a few.

The discorse about islamic banking have been won and lost already.On this matter you are not challenging only Northern muslims alone as usual,you are confronting all Nigerian muslims north,south,east and west. The approval has already been given. Be part of it if you want,and if you dont so be it.
It is not compulsory,even the vertican endoses it.or are you claiming higher moral ground than the vatican?Just go educate yourself about the merit and demerit and stop all this islamophobia.Nobody wants to islamatise Nigeria.it is not possible to do that,its only in your imagination or myopia.

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 Re: Cardinal Okogie Says No To Islamic Banking
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I have watchd d central bank Gov speak,I Agree with him all d time but on this I say a big "NO",I stand with the cardinal, please nairalanders reason well @ all times b4 making comments,dnt do so coz U hav free internet access,come to think of it,Is islamic banking the best & only way to revive the Nigerian economy,It is time we stop selfseeking cos that is the new definition of patriotism in Nig

Yes Aunty,i agree with you "reason well @ all times b4 making comments". Also some topics should be off limit for kids lol.No sister, islamic banking is not the best way to revive our economy,and the CBN did not claim dat either.All the CBN does is to approve licence to group of Nigerian citizens to open a bank,just in this case islam is attached to the name of the bank hence the hue.
Imagine when that Nigerian approach the ministry of education MOE for licence approval to open the Canaan Christian university and those Moslem come up to say no way,you cant do that Nigeria is a secular country? OMG tolerance compatriot,tolerance. And this coming from our educated lots,how will the uneducated now respond?