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wendoworld:

I AM A CATHOLIC BUT I DON'T BOW WHENEVER I PASS AT THE FRONT OF THE CRUCIFIX. WHY? BECAUSE BOWING DOWN IS THE SAME THING AS WORSHIPING IT, BUT MOST CATHOLICS DON'T KNOW THIS. THEY BELIEVE ITS JUST A NORMAL THING DONE BY EVERY CATHOLICS SO THEY TOO MUST DO SO. SOME PEOPLE WHERE BORN INTO IT(CATHOLIC) AND DOES NOT EVEN KNOW THE REASON WHY THEY DO THIS. I AM NOT AGAINST THE STATUES IN THE CHURCH.JUST AS SOMEONE HAS STATED HERE, IT IS USED AS A "REMINDER". BUT GOING IN FRONT OF IT TO BOW OR GENUFLECT IS SOMETHING I CANT COMPREHEND WITH. ONCE AGAIN I AM A BORN CATHOLIC AND AM NOT EVEN THINKING OF WORSHIPING ANY WHERE ELSE TILL I DIE, BUT THIS IS STATED IN THE BIBLE DON'T CREATE ANYTHING AS AN IMAGE OF ME THAT YOU BOW DOWN TO(THOUGH THIS IS NOT HOW IT IS STATED IN THE BIBLE BUT I GUESS YOU GET MY MESSAGE). I HAVE TO FIND MY OWN WAY INTO THE BIBLE TO FIND THIS. SO AM STANDING ON MY OPINION AGAINST BOWING OR GENUFLECTING IN FRONT OF THE STATUES, DESPITE WHAT ANY ONE SAYS #PEACE

Ymodulus:

you are a true son of your father unlike those pigs around who say its not Image worshipping

@^^^

Click the below link for more information (i.e. instructions on some of these ways of "adverting to Our Lord" by the use of posture and gesture)

on catholic postures and gestures

http://fisheaters.com/posture.html

@OP

. . . those in the know, know MrCrackles is MrCork . . .

no ooffeinse 

chinkelly:

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But the way I see it is that all celebrations are only just passage of rites.

The spinning of the Earth doesn't know its new year or xmas.

We do all this things to live our lives.

@chinkelly

I cant agree more . . .

which is why I lumbered in the below remark with Matthew 24:36:


and referenced further with:

Genesis 1:14-19 (Amplified Bible)

¹⁴And God said, Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be signs and tokens [of God's provident care], and [to mark ] seasons, days, and years,

¹⁵And let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light upon the earth. And it was so.

¹⁶And God made the two great lights--the greater light (the sun) to rule the day and the lesser light (the moon) to rule the night. He also made the stars.

¹⁷And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth,

¹⁸To rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good (fitting, pleasant) and He approved it.

¹⁹And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

Genesis 1:14 informs us that the sun and moon are created and are there as signs to mark days and years

Incidentally this is exactly what we have

In many ways, the sun, the moon or the sun and the moon together albeit dissimilar have been used for marking time (i.e. the advent or introduction of calendars)

My point is we might know the signs of the times and the times of the signs but the exact hour or exact day is elusive

It's hard to get hold of . . .

Impossible like try using a ladder to climb a maggi cube or try jumping off a maggi cube with a parachute - Joke courtesy JahBless feat Ruggedman 

dont8:

Just wondering because muslims just did their own new year last month and there was no celebration.

@dont8

Very good observation dont8 

The muslims had celebrations in their individually homes and in the predominantly Islamic states and nations 

Meanwhile this is a prologue (i.e. initial remarks) before responding further to your post

The whole year or calendar affair is mashed up and messed about . . .

The calendar tinkering and inconsistencies, just gives credence to Matthew 24:36 and makes it more plausible credible and believable

[center]However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows - Matthew 24:36 NLT[/center]

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Sure, it will be nice to know what the big deal is about the New Year and New Year celebrations

Without a doubt, New Year celebration is probably one of the world's most popular observed event

So what is that important about New Year celebrations?

How did New Year celebrations begin or from where did it originate?

What follows will be a summarised and handy information on New Year,  the origin of its celebrations etc

Genesis 1:14-19 (Amplified Bible)

¹⁴And God said, Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be signs and tokens [of God's provident care], and [to mark ] seasons, days, and years,

¹⁵And let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light upon the earth. And it was so.

¹⁶And God made the two great lights--the greater light (the sun) to rule the day and the lesser light (the moon) to rule the night. He also made the stars.

¹⁷And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth,

¹⁸To rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good (fitting, pleasant) and He approved it.

¹⁹And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

Genesis 1:14 informs us that the sun and moon are created and are there as signs to mark days and years

Incidentally this is exactly what we have

In many ways, the sun, the moon or the sun and the moon together have been used for marking time (i.e. the advent or introduction of calendars)

New Year is a product of calendar (i.e. year book for assigning dates)

There are many types of calendars (e.g. Chinese calendar etc) but three are mainly used.

The three main calendars namely are the Western calendar, the Islamic calendar and the Jewish calendar. They evolved based on different ways of marking time.

The three calendars differ in various aspects and do not necessarily go with each other because:

#1) They are categorised and based according to core events

The Western calendar (i.e. called the Christian calendar or also the Gregorian calendar)

- is a solar calendar (i.e. perceived seasonal changes synchronized to the motion of the Sun) and also based on Christ’s birth

- a Christian year comprises of 12 months and 365 days, 366 in a leap year, which occurs by adding a day in February every four years.

-      Western calendar's (i.e. Christian calendar) months are typically named after pagan Roman gods, emperors, numbers etc

- January is a translation of Latin Januarius, named after JANUS, the Roman god of beginnings and endings. December (i.e. dec = 10) is the twelfth month.

The Islamic calendar (i.e. the Hijri calendar)

- is a lunar calendar (i.e. is synchronized to the motion of the Moon) and also based on the emigration of the Prophet Muhammad and his fellow Muslims, the Companions or Sahabah, from Mecca to Medina.

- The calendar based on the lunar year, has about 354 days and 12 months, each with either 29 or 30 days

- The names of the months are Muharram, Safar, Rabiul-Awwal, Rabi-uthani, Jumada al-awwal, Jumada al-thani, Rajab, Sha’ban, Ramadan, Shawwal, Dhil-Q’ada, and Dhil-Hijja.

The Jewish calendar (i.e. the Hebrew calendar)

- is a lunisolar calendar (i.e. is synchronized to the motions of both the Moon and the Sun) and also is based on creation which is said to have occurred — around 3760 BCE according to the Western Calendar

- a Jewish year has anywhere from 353 to 385 days, and 12 months, 13 in a leap year. Months have 29 or 30 days:

- Jewish calendar's months are named after numbers (e.g. Nissan, Iyar, Sivan, Tammuz, Av, Elul, Tishri, Cheshvan, Kislev, Tevet, Shevat, and Adar)

#2) They differ in when the new day begins.

In Western calendars (i.e. Christian calendars) the day begins at midnight.

however with the Islamic and Jewish calendars, however the day begins at sundown (i.e. the time in the evening at which the sun begins to fall below the horizon)

Also whilst the Western and Islamic calendars have a New Year beginning with the first month,

the New Year according to the Jewish calendar begins in the seventh (i.e. nissan) and not the first  month of the year

Origin Of New Year:

Origin of New Year dates back to the era of emperors.

They thought of celebrating a special day which should dot a day for beginning and end of the year. First New Year celebrations were noticed in Mesopotamia around 2000 years.

It was celebrated at the time of Equinox in mid-March by the Egyptians, Persians and Phoenicians while Greeks celebrated it on winter solstice.

Ancient New Year Calendar:

First New Year celebrations were noticed in Mesopotamia around 2000 years.

It was celebrated at the time of Equinox in mid-March by the Egyptians, Persians and Phoenicians while Greeks celebrated it on winter solstice.

As per the ancient Roman calendar New Year fell on March 1.

This calendar just had ten months and March was the first month of the year.

The calendar originated by the cycles of the moon, beginning in spring and ending with autumn planting.

Inclusion of Two Calendar Months:

It was Numa Pompilius, the second king of Rome who divided the year into twelve lunar months by adding the months of January and February.

The New Year was shifted to January as it marked the beginning of the civil years in Rome.

But this was not fully accepted by the people of Rome and they continued celebrating in the month of March only.

January 1- an Official Date of New Year Celebrations:

The Roman emperor Julius Caesar officially declared January 1 to be a New Year in 46 B.C.

Romans worshiped God Janus who had two faces, one looking forward and the other looking backward.

The month of January was named after this Roman God and it gave an idea to the emperor to establish January as a gate to the New Year.

It is said Caesar celebrated January 1 - New Year by ordering the revolutionary Jewish forces to route back.

People began New Year celebrations on January 1 after many years.

They ritualized the beginning of the year by acting and re-enacting the world of the past before peace proliferated.

People learned January as first month of the year and with this the tradition of following Julian calendar.

Abolition of Roman New Year Date:

In the medieval period, pagan festivals were given more importance and March 25 was announced as the beginning of the New Year.

March 25 was called the Annunciation Day as on this day Mary got the news that she should be impregnated.

Later, the King of England ensured that Jesus' birth December 25 should be commemorated as New Year.

Gregorian Calendar:

About 500 years later, Pope Gregory XIII abolished the old Julian calendar

and introduced Gregorian calendar which comprised of a leap year after every four years to maintain balance between seasons and calendar.

Finally, in 1582, Gregorian calendar was set to celebrate New Year on the first day of January.

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From ancient times, people have welcomed the new year with rituals to attract good fortune.

Here are some samplings:

In Rio de Janeiro, more than a million people gather on the beaches on December 31st to honor Yemanja, the Yoruban "Mother of the Sea," who brings good fortune.

A Time of Rebirth:

Because the Winter Solstice is the turning point of the year, beginning the lengthening of days,

it has long been viewed as the birth of the year--by pagans celebrating the return of the Sun, and by Christians welcoming the birth of the Son of God.

The days between Solstice and the New Year are a magical, luminous time period, when anything is possible.

In England, the Twelve Days of Christmas were considered omen days which could be used to predict the weather in the coming year.

In Scotland, no court had power during these days;

and in Ireland, tradition held that if a person died during the Twelve Days, he or she went straight to Heaven.

Starting Fresh:

While each culture's New Year celebration has its own flavor, there are certain common themes.

The period leading up to New Year's Day is a time for setting things straight:

a thorough housecleaning, paying off debts, reflecting on one's shortcomings, returning borrowed objects, mending quarrels, giving alms.

In many cultures, people jump into the sea or a local body of water - literally washing the slate clean.

^{References:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-the-western-islamic-and-jewish-calendars.htm
http://www.newyearfestival.com/origin-of-new-year.html
http://www.beliefnet.com/Holistic-Living/2006/01/The-Meaning-Of-New-Years-Traditions.aspx?p=1[/size]}

xgel:

Why are there so many different denominations within Christianity?

Joagbaje:

^^^
Revelations and callings.

lactemps:

Great analysis,  very funny how the fulfillment of the Gospel,
"Many are called, but few are {the} chosen"!!!!

@^^^

Many (i.e. note NOT all) are called but few are chosen

the others that were not chosen (i.e. the rejects) forced and selected themselves (i.e. self imposed themselves)

incidentally also some uncalled ones, called and chose themselves too

As a result the following divisional sects of Christianity evolved according to ulterior motives, personal ambitions or individual interpretations

Jehovah Witness
Catholics,
Presbyterians,
Evangelicals
Methodists,
Baptists,
Seventh Day Adventists,
Penterascals Pentecostals,
Holy Rollers (e.g. Aladura, K&S, Celestial, CAC etc) or Holy Jumpers.

lagerwhenindoubt

"Oro po ninu iwe kobo" is an understatement . . .

As of time of posting then and even now, how faith works as in line with healing was deliberately side stepped

The healing aspect was bypassed because we need first to be aware of the other elements

(i.e. be familiar with the variables and/or constants in the denominator array)

Trust me, except for certain red herrings (i.e. missing constants in the locked down formula) as regards to healing, Matthew 14:22-33, is the perfect example of how faith works or does not work

Why are we putting the cart before the horse, huh?

Did Matthew 14:22-33 not throw up any helpful hint or pointers at all?

Let’s scrutinize Matthew 14:22-33 together and do things orderly (i.e. one after another)

"Aa nkanju la obe gbigbona" meaning literally Easy tiger slow and steady wins the race

The moment the values of the other elements that make up how faith works have been established, we can then criss-cross

because by then we are ready to engage in tackling how faith works or does not work as regards with healing as the subject matter

I can relate. One feels one knows where you're coming from and heading to . . . 

Joagbaje:

@newmi

Left for me  I don't see anything to respond to. I dont owe him nor his senior brother who is behind this nonsense propaganda because they must silence joagbaje at allcost. This guys heart is full of filth and it shows in every post of his. Why is his mind so clouded with immorality ?

I have several friends on NL . And if for any reason we have opportunity to meet offline we discuss, laugh at each other and make some posts if there need be.  Sir John and I talked offline , I am even supposed to do a painting for him .he even proposed hosting me in his house one of these days. We have exchanged materials .  Sir john also promised visiting kenyan28 during his vacation there . I dont know if he eventually did . I have talked with Kenyan28 and for God sake, she is not a CEC member. She only got healed in CEC healing school. She gave her Dr.her NL I.D.  To testify and give his own account  of  her HIV condition and healing,  Maybe what she should have done was to tell the doctor to register on NL.  Her Dr. Was in UK. That's what I could pick from her words . Her accent was not so clear. She is really from Kenya. And she has never been to CEC there.

Is it a crime if someone meets another NL.member?  We were in a function and discussed and she Borrowed my system to make a post. I think her battery was down or network or so. But she didnt log out. I later used the sysytem. And that was all. Its about 6-8months ago.  And I apologised to everyone and explained. That ended the matter.it wasn't an embarrassment to me. It could have happened to anybody . But these duo are now trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.  Because they must discredit and silence joagbaje. Look at this after 8 months .see his interpretation:
 
Why Is he so sexually oriented? I should have been offended if I were dealing with a responsible person. You can see how filthy his mind reason. And this use of "we" as though they are speaking for everybody, just 2 of them plus 1 extra. "WE"

newmi:

@ Nuclearboy

Hey bonboi be careful now with your linking mouth don't insult me coz you won't have it funny boy hmmmm   

@^^^

Joagbaje your posting above was OK and civil though with the first paragraph you started off on a wrong foot

Which one be senior brother again naa

De pesin no get name? Dem tell una dem related? Or na same mama born dem?

Abeggy. Biko ooo

Oga newmi, why you dey rise to the bait now

Abeggy let matters rest naaa

Una all be agbalagbi and agbalagba naaa

Abeggy make we all move on naa.

Make we bury the hatchet and vendetta. Biko . . .

E se pupo! literally Thanks in advance

lagerwhenindoubt:

Easily the pivot of Christianity from the very 1st Chapter of the Bible - FAITH; and for the sake of dis-ambiguity (foreclose unnecessary arguing to discover my true intent) :

1: FAITH as defined in the Bible Not Faith as-in Practice of Religion (5 pillars of Faith) or Motivational and Personality-improvement programs
2: My intention is not to prove FAITH a false paradigm but to propose a demonstration where FAITH can be either be proven TRUE or proven FALSE using a simple test condition e.g Healing an ailment

This is not intended to degrade into a Science vs. Religion or Science vs. God melee and for the sake of clarification,

i state categorically that (IMHO) science is mostly about "tentatively proven" hypotheses given the possibility that some valid experiment could prove the hypotheses incorrect (not the same as being proven UNTRUE) so it can be rejected or corrected. So in science, absolute proof is usually impossible. From what we know today, there are some truths which are beyond the reach of science. FAITH is one of them.

As I looked for what i could term a concise definition, it came as a surprising find that there are several different (confusing) perspectives of what FAITH is made up of.

So i shall default to the Biblical definition found in the book of Hebrews (seems to be the most comprehensive book on the theme)

lagerwhenindoubt:

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen (Hebrews 11:1, KJV).

lagerwhenindoubt:

I intentionally highlighted some words in RED because they represent key elements that describe FAITH from a Bible perspective.

It is also an area I require a concise (unambiguous) answer on their specific synergies before I make "uninformed" and "uneducated" Bible interpretation that may detract from the purpose of the post.

Demonstrations of Faith
[list]
[li]And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. (Genesis 1:3, NIV) my personal favorite  [/li]
[li]When He had said these things, He cried out with a loud voice, "Lazarus, come forth." (John 11:43, NAS)[/li]
[li]Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered. (Mathew 21:19)[/li]
[li]A man with leprosy came to him and begged him on his knees, "If you are willing, you can make me clean. Filled with compassion, Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man. "I am willing," he said. "Be clean!" Immediately the leprosy left him and he was cured. (Mark 1: 40-42)[/li]
[/list]

There are evidently numerous examples of God and Man exercising and activating Faith in the Bible so my questions are

1: How exactly does it work from Man's Point of view
2: How can we consistently apply it and get results using a test condition e.g Healing

Regards

@lagerwhenindoubt

"Oro po ninu iwe kobo" literally meaning this is a tall order

because "How Does Faith Work . . ." can easily fall victim of oversimplifying

I like your approach (i.e. involving synergies . . .) but faith is not exclusive to only those synergies (i.e. substances and evidence) alone

There are a few other missing common denominators in the equation

I'll leave the other missing common denominators to your imagination to suss out . . .

By the way, note there are different kinds of faith though

Namely: No faith, little faith, absurd faith, pseudo-faith, amazing or baffling faith, big faith etc

Hmm, interestingly enough I really do like your posers (i.e. the two questions)

but hey, read Matthew 14:22-33 but pay particular attention to verses 27-31

[center]Matthew 14:22-33 (King James Version)

²²And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away.

²³And when he had sent the multitudes away, he went up into a mountain apart to pray: and when the evening was come, he was there alone.

²⁴But the ship was now in the midst of the sea, tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary.

²⁵And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.

²⁶And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.

²⁷But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.

²⁸And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.

²⁹And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.

³⁰But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.

³¹And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?

³²And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased.

³³Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.[/center]

Matthew 14:22-33 does a better job than Hebrews 11:1

Hebrews 11:1 gives you a definition; a meaning of faith

but Matthew 14:22-33 is quintessence of how faith works

Matthew 14:22-33 demonstrates, encapsulates and captures faith working and failing

I sincerely hope you're able to picture and make out the dynamism and points how, why, when and where faith worked and failed in Matthew 14:22-33

Have fun amigo 

Joagbaje:

Pèlé . . . Shey we can rest now. . .

@^^^

Yes  ooo!

We can rest now

. . . and others say, Amen !!

PS: Nuke, wires got crossed be the case. All is water under the bridge now

Joagbaje:

@newmi
So if you know all these why waste precious time. You should have given attention to my post yesterday.

If someone enter fights with a mad man, people may not eventually know who is the mad one.  

He that is down need fear no fall .he has nothing to lose. So you don't lose your own honour.

@^^^

It's about time yall pipe down now and back off ooo

Why the need of drawing relations, state of mind etc in to this?

Yall have been walking the fine line of keeping the posting tasteful and going over the top (i.e. OTT)

It's getting too personal for my liking.

Haba! Kilo de? . . .

Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind . . .

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Shell-shock! Tesco starts selling Easter eggs - two days after Christmas

December 30, 2010

[img]http://m.gmgrd.co.uk/res/247.$plit/C_71_article_1404001_image_list_image_list_item_0_image.jpg?30%2F12%2F2010%2010%3A46%3A49%3A431[/img]
^{Reporter Steve Robson with Easter eggs from the Portwood branch of Tesco}

You might be still polishing off the last of the Christmas selection boxes and playing with your new presents but supermarket bosses have decided Easter is already on its way.

Shoppers discovered Tesco stores selling Easter eggs just TWO DAYS after Christmas.

And next Easter falls on April 24 - just one day earlier than its latest possible date. The shopping aisles are stocked with a range of confectionery, including chocolate bunnies, chicks and eggs. Church leaders branded the move ‘absurd’.

Father John Flynn, a spokesman for the Salford’s Catholic diocese, said: “It is odd that supermarkets would want to be stocking eggs when thousands of Christians up and down the land are still trying to celebrate Christmas. It seems a bit misplaced and absurd.”

Baffled customers watched staff stocking shelves with Easter goods at stores in Burnage and Portwood, Stockport.

Julia Dodgson, from Stockport, said: “They should allow the Christian community to celebrate one festival at a time. We’re still celebrating the birth of Jesus and they’re selling symbols of the resurrection.

“It’s completely greedy – young children will be mithering parents to buy them.”

Angie Brown, from Bredbury, Stockport, who was shopping with five-year-old daughter Millie, said: “It’s ridiculous – we’ve just had lots of selection boxes. I don’t understand why they’re selling them already.”

Ross and Sarah Harwood, from Chapel-en-le-Frith in High Peak, said: “We’ve not even got Christmas over yet. It’s awful. It should be Valentine’s day next anyway.”

ASDA and Morrisons both confirmed they were not yet stocking Easter eggs.

Tesco say they are simply responding to demand.

A spokesman said: “Customers have asked us for a small range of Easter eggs at this time of year and we’re happy to supply them.”

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1404001_shellshock_tesco_starts_selling_easter_eggs__two_days_after_christmas

mikeg:

Pray for me, I need your prayers.

@^^^

Prayers in what, for what etc

a burden shared is a burden halved . . .

- Iron makes iron sharp; so a man makes sharp his friend . . .

manmustwac:

Which of the Gods are you referring to? I'll just assume its the God of the bible. Right?

Why can't it be more straightforward than that?

After i go through the bible and read that proverb am i [size=16pt]free[/color][/size] to [size=16pt]think[color=#990000][/size] for myself read oth[size=16pt]er[color=#990000][/color][/size] books and make up my own mind about life and (imaginary god's) plans

or do you advise me to stick the religion that you were born and bred into?

@MMW

First if I were you, I'll be careful with totting the “free think er” montage

or the toeing the freethinker line

and second, I can give better advice . . .

Cha! Goodness gracious me, don't you know, that "sticking to the religion that you were born and bred into" is old school?

e36991:

@^^^

Quit turning the tables . . .

You've unnecessarily twisted everything up and got your knickers up in a knot.

Re-read my posting and go over it slowly and carefully

lysaa:

I have no idea what u are talking about.

e36991:

No skin off my nose . . .

lysaa:

Watevs mahn.

@^^^

. . . made me howl with laughter

mikeg:

.hell,bye

@^^^

Suit yourself . . .

lysaa:

I have no idea what u are talking about.

No skin off my nose . . .

InesQor:

@e36991:

EDIT: Post removed

Argh you beat me to it, bro. I had just started replying MMW but your own post is far more helpful. 

@InesQor

Quick on the draw was I?

Sorry. Fingers were dangling micro-inches from the holster

- Blows smoke off barrel

lysaa:

When ppl hear about boasting in the Lord the first thought is pride. But it's very far from it. .it is not an act of the flesh but a very spiritual act.

"Let the redeemed of the lord say so" simply means if u are redeemed say it; that u are the redeemed.

Boasting in the Lord is more like a testimony. .Now Pastor Chris did not say that he's never had downs in his life out of pride

but was declaring a fact in his life in terms of fainting in the day of adversity. .

same vein Paul did when he said he spoke in tongues more than the ppl he addressed there and then.

remember he thanked God, he expressed gratitude for that fact before he continued on the topic of tongues.

It's easy for someone to conclude wrongly on a matter but that same light reveals the person's dispositon.

About the following verse on teaching in church, it was very clear he meant that even though he spoke in tongues often,

it wouldn't make sense to come b4 a congregation and teach them in tongues as they would not understand. 100% truth spoken there.

Now that is not the same as he came to teach in tongues and the ppl heard him in another language they understood.

I don't know how that has added up for u to think otherwise. Read it again for urselves.

It was Peter and the other disciples in the upper room who,

after recieving the power from the Holy Spirit spoke in tongues and men around heard them in their dialects. Another miracle altogether.

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@^^^

Quit turning the tables . . .

You've unnecessarily twisted everything up and got your knickers up in a knot.

Re-read my posting and go over it slowly and carefully

What is the etymology of "Onigbagbo" and "Onimale"?

What are the origins . . . 

What are the exact meanings of "Onigbagbo" and "Onimale" and how were they formed?

manmustwac:

I don't like it when people expect you to click a link just to read their story when they can just copy and paste it like what i did.

I would've done the same thing even if it was in another section of nairaland.

Due to the fact that i was not born and brought up in an environment where people were saying ALLAH AKBAR or PRAISE THE LORD

i am neither christian or muslin. I was more or less allowed to think for myself.

Here in london i frequently see programs on the History channel National Geographic channel and Eden

which explain the evolution of our planet four and a half billion years ago

and the existence of dinosaurs and pre-historic animals (with proof of their existence)

which your God who is supposedly everywhere knows everything and created everything forgot to mention in his holy bible.

Evolution makes a lot more sense to me. I am a 100% atheist, but i prefer to be called a freethinker

because my thinking is not blocked by religious belief, superstition, obanje, piance demons imaginary forces etc

@MMW

. . . wonderful and admirable . . .

but sire you seem to forget it is for the LORD GOD to know these things and for you to find out

Concealing certain things is an inspiration and stimulation to explore, to examie, to study, to investigate, to do research, to find out etc

It is God's privilege to conceal things and the king's privilege to discover them - Proverbs 25:2

tubabie:

Yes, you are "right". . . . . The same way Jesus was questionable when he went to eat dinner in Zacchaeus' house ?

@^^^

Don't even attempt to paint Cecilia Ibru with the same brush as Zacchaeus

Zacchaeus was hated and considered a sinner for doing his job (i.e. tax-collecting) and not because of greed

Zacchaeus went out of his way to see Jesus (i.e. ran ahead of Jesus and climbed a sycamore-fig tree to see him)

Zacchaeus gave proofs publicly that he has become a true convert:

"Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, "Look, Lord!

Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor,

and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount." - Luke 19:8

It is hoped the above is the case with Cecilia Ibru

gorociano:

Pastor E A Adeboye was seen visiting Cecilia Ibru in LUTH,

I was getting tired of these questionable men of God but they don't seem to love threading the path of integrity.

E.A Adeboye, in all my years at LUTH has not come to pray for any patient but he rushes to bless an avaricious criminal.

Adeboye has many difficult questions to answer: how much of Ibru and Akingboola's loots is his church sitting on?

How much did they contribute to his contoversial jet? Until he answers these satisfatorily, HE IS AN ACCOMPLICE OF ROGUES!!!

@^^^

. . . call it perks and benefits of having a RCCG nite club's high profile VIP membership 

. . . same applies to men wearing dog collars etc (i.e. do not be intimidated or scared to ask questions in the face of "authority"

Imagine the consequences if this shop keeper had bottled it, erh?

Paedophile dressed as MoG policeman tried to abduct schoolboy by 'taking him for questioning'

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/28/article-1342230-0C986895000005DC-215_233x275.jpg
^{Cunningham wore a stab vest
to appear like he was a real police officer
but was found out when he couldn't produce a badge}

A shopkeeper stopped a convicted paedophile as he tried to abduct a schoolboy while posing as a police officer.

Brandon Cunningham, 20, put on a stab vest and impersonated a CID detective when he approached the 15-year-old boy as he bought sweets from a newsagents.

He searched the teenager and 'arrested' him before taking his house keys and marching him away for questioning.

Harekrishna Patel, the quick-thinking shopkeeper who knew the boy, stepped in when he became suspicious.

He confronted Cunningham and when he was unable to produce a police ID badge he called for the real police who came and arrested him.

Now Cunningham is starting a 15 month prison sentence for trying to abduct the schoolboy who cannot be named for legal reasons.

Prosecutor Stephen Crouch said Cunningham, who has previous convictions for sexual offences against children, may have been watching the teenager for some time.

'He said he needed him to go outside and speak to him about him picking a lock,' he said.

'This slightly surprised the boy because the day before he had left his front door keys at home and had tried to get in that way.

'There's an indication the boy had been kept under observation the previous day.'

'As the youth was searched and taken away, Mr Patel had a feeling something was not right and set off in pursuit, confronting Cunningham who was unable to produce police ID, so he intervened by holding on to the bogus officer until the police arrived.'

Cunningham from Northampton, admitted child abduction in Northampton and was sentenced to 15 months' detention.
Brandon Cunningham was jailed for 15 months after pretending to be a police officer to abduct a schoolboy

Brandon Cunningham was jailed for 15 months after pretending to be a police officer to abduct a schoolboy

The judge, Recorder Michael Elsom, said Cunningham's autism and Asperger's Syndrome had undoubtedly led to offending.

He added: 'No one should think I do not view this as a serious offence.

'The length of time it lasted was not that long but just think what it was like for that young lad.

'Think for a moment what must have been going through his mind as you led him away. Put yourself in his mind.

'Just think what you would have thought had someone done that to you.'

Mr Patel has been recommended for a High Sheriff's bravery award for his actions on July 2 this year in both preventing the abduction and ensuring Cunningham's arrest.

Recorder Elsom added: 'It seems to me Mr Patel behaved well beyond the call of duty.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342230/Paedophile-dressed-policeman-tried-abduct-schoolboy-taking-questioning.html#ixzz19UnX4OYn

manmustwac:

Do I Have to Go Along With God's Plan?

YOU ARE BORN FOR A PURPOSE.

It is high time teenagers began to recognize this fact and work towards fulfilling this purposes. Everyone might not have the same mission on this earth but one thing that I believe is that every true believer's mission should be directed towards carrying out the great commission of our Lord Jesus Christ. As humans, we know that the most precious/heart-touching words of a man are usually known at the point of death. This was the same thing that happened to Jesus and that is why he said in the book of Matthew 28:19-20:
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and Of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you",

This is our primary purpose on earth. All others are secondary,  Your lifestyle should be one that will show the light of Christ in you. You might not necessarily take up a bible to preach God's word but your life could be a reflection of God's glory. As a successful teen, this should be your primary assignment. If you keep on delaying in carrying out thus assignment, do you know how many beings will end in hell fire? You need to share the word of salvation today so that you free a being from the danger of hell fire. You can be rest assured that once this is done, all other things will be added to you (Matthew 6:33). It should never be forgotten that we are on earth to get it salted (Matthew 5:13). It is therefore imperative to preserve this earth by ministering to someone today.

Therefore avoid slugging it out with God. Play along as he directs your paths.

InesQor:

This post was surprising, coming from our dear moderator MMW who is a self-declared atheist. But in some seconds I figured it out: he just imported the link in the OP. 

@^^^

. . . God sure works in mysterious ways

and thank God for search engines that led MMW to such URL links as below

http://ezinearticles.com/?Do-I-Have-to-Go-Along-With-Gods-Plan?&id=5575703

Wannabe christian, coming out christian, in-denial christian or closet christian?

MrCrackles:

Topic
I dont think so. . .
Jesus, did you pay tithes

@MrCrackles

MrCrackles! You still dey?!!

Just wanna say a Joyful New Year in advance.

No oofiense

lysaa:

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Sir, I brought up the tongue topic as something an apostle in the bible bragged about because someone said Pastor Chris was bragging.

That's by the way . . .

I'm yet to get scriptural references to prove the point that Paul spoke tongues men heard in their language.

I guess we're not talking about Peter here.

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@lysaa

Ma'am. Yes, you're quite right, we're not talking about Peter here. It's Paul, all the way.

1 Corinthians 14:18-19 is the closest scriptural references you'll get, to prove the point that Paul spoke tongues men heard in their language

What else could be any better than Paul's own admission:

"I thank my God, I speak with other languages more than you all" in 1 Corinthians 14:18

Anyway for the record and to be sincere, 1 Corinthians 14:18-19 was not really said in a bragging manner as such

but rather in a humble way to explain a point and drive home the essence of a sticky subject (i.e. speaking in tongues . . .) to the Corinthians

Lysaa, do you honestly know the reason for and understand the purpose of "speaking in tongues"?

PS: Joyful New Year in advance

. . . shame with all that space,

you can literally park a bus at the memory address used up

oyinda.:

^ haha tu parles francais?

I was watching bill moyers interview with Obama's previous church pastor.

the one who was accused of having anti-american sentiments and something in his interview struck me

and sort of helped articulate what i've been thinking for a long time.

He said that people sometimes ask him why he's a christian. why is he professing this "white man religion"

and he gave a really good answer about how christianity itself, when it is bare, is not a white man religion.

It is when you add the culture to it that it becomes a white man religion.

I'm just paraphrasing and adding my own jara but i'm really grateful to have watched that video.

one minute christianity is said to be a western import.

the next minute, it seem to have taken an indigenous form among nigerians and even african americans.

I guess the core, the faith is the most important. Sometimes it can be also hard when you are surrounded by people who do not believe

and they ask you these actually really smart questions that make you wonder why you are christian.

Understanding christianity and what you believe in is so helpful.

there is a difference between believing for the sake of it and believing because you know the truth.

@oyinda.

White man's religion? 

I laugh in English

Incidentally, when it comes to relationship GOD is color averse

but the LORD GOD in His infinite wisdom allowed color to be inserted in the bible for such a time like this:

Verse like this for times such as now to debunk and deflate statement(s) like "christianity is a western import  - White man's religion"

Acts 13:1 is your proof of the pudding 

Acts 13:1

KJV
Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger,

and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.

NLT
Among the prophets and teachers of the church at Antioch of Syria were Barnabas, Simeon (called "the black man", Lucius (from Cyrene), Manaen (the childhood companion of King Herod Antipas), and Saul.

BBE
Now there were at Antioch, in the church there, prophets and teachers, Barnabas, and Symeon who was named Niger,

and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, a relation of Herod the king, and Saul

WNT
Now there were in Antioch, in the Church there--as Prophets and teachers--barnabas, Symeon surnamed 'the black,' Lucius the Cyrenaean, Manaen (who was Herod the Tetrarch's foster-brother)

Dare I say - Simeon; The first Nigerian in the Bible?

lysaa:

Hey, couldn't be bothered to read thru your post after reading the 1st & last paragragh. Obviously, your beef against Pastor Chris is rootless, very aimless . . . attempt to criticize without the right substance. Seriously, If the apostles were here, u'd sharply publish critiques of their acts too.

Chapter what verse what of what book of the Bible did Paul [/u]speak in tongues and men heard in their languages?

FYI, our brother Paul didn't boast because renowned men quoted him. . . but rather in the mighty power of God in His word evident in his dispensation and still is today. David, in his Psalms boasted too. .see, boasting in the Lord is not by the perfection of a man. A saint isn't one because he is perfect (Eph 4:12) but because he has a heart after God.

What is your own drive? What makes u do the things u do? Would u be sincere with God first and urself 2nd before men that all these u're posting is for the furtherance of the Gospel? I'm throwing these qxns as I can not find love in them posts of urs. They sound ugly and from a bitter heart.

nuclearboy:

^^ "They SOUND ugly & from a bitter heart".

Judge lysaa:

Go read about God - He looks upon the heart and not how something sounds or looks else He wouldn't have chosen David and maybe would not have "Elect" rather than the "claimed salvation" you evidence by speaking rubbish and jeri curling men's hair. The Bible is so available and makes it clear - many of your "mighty" men of God WILL SAY "we did great things in your (Jesus) Name" and Jesus will point them to their resting place (perdition) and send them along with the words "I NEVER KNEW YOU, WORKERS OF INIQUITY"!

So whether it SOUNDS nice or not to your itching ears is not the point. Jesus Words never sounded nice to hypocrites or the religious establishment who wanted it their way rather than God's Way. What sounds nice is found on the broad way, not the narrow way.

@lysaa

The tongue issue is a minefield - a subject full of falling-outs

Let's leave that for another time, eh?

Meanwhile 1 Corinthians 14:18-19 is the "Chapter, verse, book of the Bible that [u]Paul spoke in tongues and men heard in their languages?"

1 Corinthians 14:18-19:

BBE:
¹⁸I give praise to God that I am able to make use of tongues more than you all:
¹⁹But in the church it would be better for me to make use of five words of which the sense was clear, so that others might have profit, than ten thousand words in a strange tongue.

ESV:
¹⁸I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you.
¹⁹Nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue

KJV:
¹⁸I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
¹⁹Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

PS: Happy New Year in advance Nuke 

mikeg:

Thanks for the reference to Jeremiah it was encouraging to read reference to the house of Judah again.

I hold back from saying that the new covenant has "nothing" to do with church

and prefer to take the position that much of ( what calls itself church ) has nothing to do with the new covenant.

As to the human author of Hebrews I accept there is debate but I believe little as to whether it is inspired

and of course we know who it is written to ( according to the name ) to those beyond.

Thank you too for the offer to help my understanding.

One of many things at which I find myself perplexed though is not so much the scriptures

but things like God clearly establishing and naming the church Heb 7:11

and yet we find churches by every name one could imagine, of which nothing is written, all claiming to be God's church.

Very odd!

@mikeg

Please would you shed light on what exactly is ruffling your feathers

Spell out and make obvious to the dot what particularly is rocking your boat

What specifically is very odd?

Nebulae:

For you here it is for nothing? 

Explain. 

I want to know what you meant by that.

InesQor:

It's like saying "I can do it for you for nothing", and it simply means "No problem, here it is."

@InesQor

Ruggeddy Baba InesQordy Baba!

Pftt. See as command just dey fly (i.e. Explain!)

Trust you for having my back and going out on a limp . . .

Thanks for helping a brother out . . .

PS: Happy New Year in Advance ooo