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@ OP

. . .  hold John Nelson Darby responsible 

- He is culpable of this

mikeg:

My position is as follows:

According to scripture there should be no teaching/preaching within a new covenant church.

I would go further and say that if teaching/preaching is deemed necessary by your church leaders it can only mean one of two things.

Either the leaders consider the fellowship to be comprised of unbelievers or the leaders themselves are unbelievers.

Consider this scripture and tell me if I am wrong

Hebrews 8:11
And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord:

for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

This read in context is refering to New Covenant believers.

Joagbaje:

^^^^
what you should rather have said is. "CAN SOMEONE HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND HEB8:11"?

it's not making reference to the church. If you ask properly I will answer you.

@mikeg

The identity of the person behind and responsible for writing Hebrews is still a mystery

It’s hard to pin down the writer - Paul has been ruled out by virtue of style.

Nonetheless the fact remains that the writer's intended audience rightly wasn’t the church just as Joagbaje pointed out

Dont read Hebrews 8:11 in isolation . . .

Hebrews 8:11 is a carbon-copy or an almost exact likeness of Jeremiah 31:34

The penny will drop if you put Jeremiah 31:27-34 side by side with Hebrews 8:1-13

and then read and compare their verses

Classic Old Testament concealing the New Testament

and New Testament revealing the Old Testament

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The Healing of a Demon-possessed Man

Mark 5:1-13

¹They went across the lake to the region of the Gerasenes

²When Jesus got out of the boat, a man with an evil spirit came from the tombs to meet him.

³This man lived in the tombs, and no one could bind him any more, not even with a chain.

⁴For he had often been chained hand and foot, but he tore the chains apart and broke the irons on his feet.

No one was strong enough to subdue him.

⁵Night and day among the tombs and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stones.

⁶When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees in front of him.

⁷He shouted at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God?

Swear to God that you won’t torture me!”

⁸For Jesus had said to him, “Come out of this man, you evil spirit!”

⁹Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”

“My name is Legion,” he replied, “for we are many.”

¹⁰And he begged Jesus again and again not to send them out of the area.

¹¹A large herd of pigs was feeding on the nearby hillside.

¹²The demons begged Jesus, “Send us among the pigs; allow us to go into them.”

¹³He gave them permission, and the evil spirits came out and went into the pigs.

The herd, about two thousand in number, rushed down the steep bank into the lake and were drowned.

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The human body is a masterpiece; a great work; the work of a Genius . . .

It is amazing, very robust, durable, hard-wearing, tough, resilient etc

The man continued to exist inspite of being possessed and tormented by the legion

Legion is an equivalent of a major unit of the Roman army consisting of 3,000 to 6,000 infantry troops and 100 to 200 cavalry troops

It is astonishing that this man singularly handled the legion (i.e. up to at least 3000 spirits) but 2000 pigs couldn’t come to grips with them

The man survived and with a testimony lived to tell the tale

but the 2000 pigs couldn’t cope or deal with the legion making home in them,

as a result they plunged down the cliff destroying themselves

JeSoul:

Kris2glo,

you're not allowed to spam the section with countless topics.

Please post all your testimonies on one thread, others will be subject to deletion.

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Same I was thinking too and that he can append or align them on one single "Miracles Are Still Real " thread title

This one too needs taken care of:
Miracles Are Still Real (healing From Trigmineal Neuralgia)
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-575243.0.html#msg7416211

PS: Thought our fav mod was on a festive period break . . .

Happy New Year in advance JeSoul 

Joagbaje:

Witchcraft is active and alive in America and other nations of the world. Try read the book. "HE CAME TO SET THE CAPTIVES FREE" by Dr Rebbecca brown . You will have some insights.

Many Americans are ignorant of the spiritual realm because they've given demonic activities fine fine names. From prolonged delusion to traumatic phycological jargons. Many of the cases in the psychiatric hospital are demonic cases. Though we can't deny the fact that many are medical . But the demonic cases can not be arrested medically. Many American minister come to africa to learn about this thing so that they. An help people over there.

Demons are everywhere and we must learn to cast them out. I was told about a lady that was mad , two years ago. I went to their house , I prayed , prayed  but no result. So I felt it was a medical case. I said they should take her to hospital , but they told me this thing comes up every year during raining season , it had cyst her her marriage. I sense it was demonic but since I couldn't get through to her  mind I said they should still take to hospital let her be put to sleep till her brain relax . So 2 days after, I sent for her , she was a bit ok Now she could talk. I asked her few questions . And my suspicion was confirmed. The demons spoke to me, "I AM FROM THE DEEP BLUE SEA" " I will DESTROY YOU" " I am queen of the sea" " I am serpent" and so on. I was confident now that this is not medical and I know my authority. I calmed her down, and led her to christ . Then I commanded those spirits out of her body, she began to move like snake on the ground and sticking out her tongues. Finallly after an hour or so , we were done , she became free. I sent her quickly to join our foundation school , she did all the classes.  She became a soul winner for christ. 2 years have passed and no more yearly reoccurrence.
 
But in the western nations , they will label them with a name and lock them in an asylum .You get into such hospital ward and shout the name of Jesus and see what happens.

It is modernism that make them deny such things over there . It was not always like this. British had their stories of witches historically . They even have cartoons for children. American had theirs . Where do you think horror films came from . American governme t don't want to accept that anything is beyond their control , they try to act as if they are in full control to win confidence. Many of those horror films are from real experience. "hunted" "devils advocate" "exorcists" etc.

Our system over here has not been overrun by modernism yet. But it may one day, if we allow legalism to over shadow 
Truth and reality. Satan is working gradually in the background by attacking church institution and denying miracles and the supernatural which are all part of the package of the gospel of christ. Christianity without supernatural is nothing but just another dead religion. 

There is no different types of Christianity . Only one which Jesus predicted 

Mark 16:17-18
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. 

The problem is the level of revelations of God and ignorance in the heart of people. We are coming gradually to the unity of the faith , where walls of divisions will be broken down. And we understand our union and  onesss with christ.

Ephesians 4:13
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 

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https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-575104.0.html#msg7416129

#5) Have you ever feel the presence of a dead person?

No, I haven’t ever felt and will never ever feel the presence of a dead person

Dead people have departed from the world. So why should I feel the presence of the non-living in the land of the living?

Dead people are like comic book cartoons or characters. They are inanimate

Dead people’s bodies disintegrates after death

Prior to the disintegration, dead bodies become spiritless (i.e. the spirits are transferred from this world to a lounge area waiting as in #2 above)

Spirits need a body to legally and lawfully operate on Earth

Spirits operating on earth without a body (e.g. animal or human bodies) are illegal immigrant and operating unlawfully

Do you recall the spirit that asked for permission to be cast out from a man specifically into a herd of swine?

The Holy Spirit is not exempted. It too needs a body (e.g. the church) (i.e. the body of Christ) to operate lawfully on earth

Dead people appearing to others are actually evil & dishonest spirits (e.g. demons) familiar with the departed (i.e. deceased) and the family

For ulterior and sinister moves, these dishonest spirits appear as ghosts or apparitions to deceive the unsuspecting and gullible family or relations of the deceased.

True to nature such spirits are the embodiment of unimaginable evil, shamelessness and filth

which is why they prefer rather to be cast out into a herd of swine as opposed to be disembodied and be in limbo

Ileke-IdI:

What do you think happens after we die?
Do we rest, and wait for that [/b]day?
Or does our spirit roam free till the day of reckoning?
Is there really an hell or heaven, or just a constitution to balance good and even?

Have you ever feel the presence of a dead person?

Please back up post with religious facts.

[b]@Ileke-IdI

Happy New Year in advance my one of a kind sista . . .

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Ileke-IdI:

What do you think happens after we die?

#1) What do you think happens after we die?

First, die in this context, is similar to passing through the departure gates at an airport (i.e. it’s one-way or in one direction)

Next, sleep is what happens after one dies. 

Sleep in the sense that, at this entry (i.e. after passing through the die-departure gate) one is oblivious or unconscious to the world (i.e. what is left behind)

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Ileke-IdI:

Do we rest, and wait for that [/b]day?

[b]#2) Do we rest, and wait for that day?

In relation to “Do we rest, and wait for that day?” 

Of course, we rest and wait for that day

Sleeping is rest or resting, isn’t it?

Pushing the boat further, everyone (i.e. man) is booked to fly once die and afterwards to be judged

Flying Death is like an appointment (i.e. say a prior arrangement or scheduled meeting)

"Wait" after checking in with or without excess luggages is similar to an airport lounge area (i.e. after passing through the die-departure gate)

where you wait in comfort (e.g. like Father Abraham) or in distress (e.g. like Lazarus) with with your ticket, boarding pass, baggage etc

until you're called to board the plane for judgment (i.e. wait was for that day)

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Ileke-IdI:

Or does our spirit roam free till the day of reckoning?

#3) Or does our spirit roam free till the day of reckoning?

It is a myth and untrue that our spirits roam free until the day of reckoning

The spirit does not roam about because after death the spirit is in a holding area (e.g. in a lounge area waiting . . . as in #2 above)

Spirits basically are without material form, body or substance [/b]and no man dead or alive has power over the spirit

It is worth mentioning that Adam was lifeless (i.e. not alive meaning literally dead) until God breathed into his nostrils

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Ileke-IdI:

Is there really an hell or heaven, or just a constitution to balance good and even?

[b]#4) Is there really a hell or heaven, or just a constitution to balance good and even?

Yes indeed, there really is a hell or heaven.

There are not made-ups

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Ileke-IdI:

Have you ever feel the presence of a dead person?

#5) Have you ever feel the presence of a dead person?

No, I haven’t ever felt and will never ever feel the presence of a dead person

Dead people have departed from the world. So why should I feel the presence of the non-living in the land of the living?

Dead people are like comic book cartoons or characters. They are inanimate

Dead people’s bodies disintegrates after death

Prior to the disintegration, dead bodies become spiritless (i.e. the spirits are transferred from this world to a lounge area waiting as in #2 above)

Spirits need a body to legally and lawfully operate on Earth

Spirits operating on earth without a body (e.g. animal or human bodies) are illegal immigrant and operating unlawfully

Do you recall the spirit that asked for permission to be cast out from a man specifically into a herd of swine?

The Holy Spirit is not exempted. It too needs a body (e.g. the church) (i.e. the body of Christ) to operate lawfully on earth

Dead people appearing to others are actually evil & dishonest spirits (e.g. demons) familiar with the departed (i.e. deceased) and the family

For ulterior and sinister moves, these dishonest spirits appear as ghosts or apparitions to deceive the unsuspecting and gullible family or relations of the deceased.

True to nature such spirits are the embodiment of unimaginable evil, shamelessness and filth

which is why they prefer rather to be cast out into a herd of swine as opposed to be disembodied and be in limbo

_{References: Genesis 2:7; Genesis 3:19; 1 Sam 28:7; 1 Sam 28:14; Job 34:15; Ecclesiastes 3:20; Ecclesiastes 8:8; Ecclesiastes 12:7; Mark 5:12; Luke 16:24; John 11:11; 2 Corinthians 5:8; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Hebrews 9:27;}

Ileke-IdI:

Since when did Ohio become NIgeria?

@^^^

. . . Regardless of where you stand, these stories, rumors and legends point to a larger cultural debate

and most of all is a facetious posting 

Why Does Jesus Appear In Food? Religion And Science Face Off

An Ohio woman’s over the moon after seeing what she describes as Jesus’ face in her pistachio nut.

Meanwhile, elsewhere in Ohio, a man claims Jesus and his mother Mary both revealed themselves in a piece of candy.

Why do people keep seeing Jesus in their food, and what would he want us to do about it?

https://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/jesustoast.jpg
^{The book 'Look! It's Jesus' chronicles some of the holy man's food-related sightings.}

Jesus and his famous family have a habit of “materializing” in human food.

From Christ’s 1977 cameo in a tortilla to Mary’s miraculous 2005 appearance in a pizza pan, there’s a long litany of modern instances in which the holy brood “revealed” themselves in our edibles.

To the devout, these cases are nothing less than divine intervention. To others they’re nothing more than optical illusions.

Scientists refer to this phenomenon as pareidolia, in which banal images are given great significance.

Whether it’s transforming a cloud into a lamb, or a piece of dry bread into Jesus, pareidolia’s considered nothing more than a mental projection.

When cloaked in the sacred, pareidolia can be called “simulacra,” or similarity, in which the viewer exports spiritual meaning onto something that, from a more secular person’s perspective, could be seen as something else entirely.

The aforementioned Ohio woman’s co-workers, for example, didn’t see Jesus. One thinks the “Jesus face” resembles George Washington, while another likened it to Freddy Krueger.

In all cases, however, people saw a face, because, as scientists contend, we humans are programmed to organize patterns into an image, most often a face. The abundance of religion in our various societies, meanwhile, often translates those “faces” into sacred celebrities. And of course Christians aren’t the only devout people who project prophets onto their edibles: Allah has also been seen in fish, bread and animals’ fur.

University of North Carolina Professor Gregory Price Grieve explains that this habit arose from an overabundance of religious imagery in our various cultures: “What you see is not always what you get. Instead, what we see depends on mediation,” he wrote in a paper called “One and Three Bhairavas: The Hypocrisy of Iconographic Mediation.”

“Because our descriptions of religious images are culturally located, our ‘naïve’ descriptions are neither innocent nor objective. Rather, all social objects are mediated by intervening socially grounded, culturally generated, and historically particular mechanisms.”

The harsh light of science explains away holy sightings like those seen in Ohio, yes,

but let’s assume for a moment that Jesus and Mary have indeed presented themselves on toast, tortilla and other perishables.

What then? What would Jesus want people to do?

James Burrows, the man who found Jesus in his sweets, says he’ll first try to sell the sacred sweet, and if that fails, he’ll donate it to a church. Capitalism above salvation, he thinks. Either way, that confection won’t be ingested. It’s been elevated to the ranks of culinary saint.

Rarely do people consume their “holy snacks.”

If you’re devout enough to see Jesus in everything, you’re surely not going to eat him when he shows his face. But is that the right method?

Surely Jesus, Mary and the rest wouldn’t want one to waste food, particularly when there are so many poor, a population Jesus championed, who would benefit from the miraculous morsel.

And then there’s the Catholic Church’s “body of Christ” imagery.

While other Christian denominations define the term more loosely, such as the Protestant belief that “body of Christ” refers to the congregation,

the Catholic Church uses their Eucharist sacrament to claim that the body of Christ encompasses not only the Church as an institution, but also their messiah.

The communion wafer, then, represents his holiness, and must be ingested. In taking the wafer, you are absorbing Christ’s wonder and power.

“Transubstantiation” turn the physical bread into spiritual fulfillment and wisdom.

If that idea’s to be believed, then, Christ’s scrumptious likenesses should be consumed. Perhaps with a bit of wine?

There’s likely to be no end to reports of “Jesus’ face found in X,”

and as oddball as they seem to some, to others they’re reminders of religion’s miraculous nature.

Regardless of where you stand, these stories, rumors and legends point to a larger cultural debate:

whether science and pareidolia have the answers, or whether there are less comprehensible forces at work

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/41878/why-does-jesus-appear-in-food-religion-and-science-face-off/

Nebulae:
What's that bible scripture that talks about talking about a matter before hearing it brings forth humiliation and is a dishonour? Somewhere in the book of Proverbs,

@Nebulae

For you here it is for nothing 

Proverbs 18:13

GOD'S WORD Translation
Whoever gives an answer before he listens is stupid and shameful.

King James Bible
He that answereth a matter before he heareth [it], it [is] folly and shame unto him.

American King James Version
He that answers a matter before he hears it, it is folly and shame to him.

American Standard Version
He that giveth answer before he heareth, It is folly and shame unto him.

Bible in Basic English
To give an answer before hearing is a foolish thing and a cause of shame.

Joagbaje:

Is it me you tutó è dànù or the other guy?

@Joagbaje

Haba! Ogbeni oja, O de nse bi ogberi . . .

Se ma de le tuto iwo danu sha?

abeggy gif me sum credit naa

Na the man wey dey talk yafu yafu all over the place I spit out ooo

Ma ru igbo simi lapo ooo!

Joagbaje:

Benin bronze , ife bronze, Nok art, etc. Ife bronze were so realistic

that graduates from the western nations felt intimidated by them that those works were not make by Africans.

Yet someone comes along and say Africans never produced anything.

Sometimes we like preachings that makes us feeling bad about our lives

and criticise those who God use to let us know "you've got something good in you"

@Joagbaje

I dont see the correlation . . .

What good is there in "liking preachings that makes us feeling bad about our lives"

There is no connection. Let's call a spade a spade jor . . .

This chap is an ignoramus, talking from all compass points of his mouth

He is an extremely ignorant person selling himself and pretending to be something he's not.

Phew! "Mo tu to e danu" means literally I spit him out

What are the Benin Bronzes?

What do the Benin Bronzes mean to you?

Ground breaking art from the African continent, or a shameful symbol of Britain’s Imperial past?

In the late 1800s, the Benin Empire in Africa was a hotbed of artistic skill and the British wanted a piece of it

- as many pieces as they could steal, in fact.

But what were the beautiful Benin Bronzes and did the current Queen of England really fence stolen goods.

Produced on behalf of The Open University Open Broadcasting Unit by 360 productions

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh2Tac1gNPU?fs=1&hl=en_GB[/flash]

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James David Manning (born February 20, 1947) is chief pastor  at the ATLAH World Missionary Church on 123rd Street in New York City.

Manning grew up in Red Springs, North Carolina, born to an African American family, and has been at ATLAH since 1981.

ATLAH stands for All The Land Anointed Holy, which is Manning's name for Harlem.

His congregation, "ATLAH Worldwide Missionary Church" is the former Bethelite Missionary Baptist Church.

The church is also the site of the ATLAH Theological Seminary, which offers classes on preaching and prophecy.

Manning is fiercely opposed to the gentrification of Harlem & calls for its residents to boycott its shops, restaurants, doctors, banks & churches.

That action, combined with a general rent strike, would force all property owners out of Harlem, he said,

leaving the neighborhood to its rightful inheritors: black people.

Manning calls his plan "No Dew, Nor Rain," after Elijah's warning to Ahab, king of Israel, of a coming drought.

"When there's no dew, no rain, there's a drought - there's all kinds of suffering," said Manning.

The whole of Harlem, he said, is to be a "drought zone

Biography:

Manning graduated from The College of New Rochelle with a Bachelor of Arts degree

and continued on to Union Theological Seminary in the City of New York where he was awarded a Master of Divinity.

Manning also holds a Doctor of Philosophy degree from his own ATLAH Theological Seminary, an unaccredited educational institution.

As a younger man, Manning burgled homes, mostly on Long Island.

He spent about three and a half years in prison in New York and Florida for burglary, robbery, larceny, criminal possession of a weapon,

and other charges before his release in 1978. While in prison, he became a devout Christian.

According to Manning, he attended the Oxford Round Table in 2004.

2008 presidential election:

Manning came to public attention in the 2008 presidential election after ATLAH posted several sermons of his

that were harshly critical of Democratic candidate Barack Obama on the website YouTube.

Among other accusations, he called Obama's mother "white trash" for becoming pregnant by a black man out of wedlock,

an issue he discussed during a press conference at the National Press Club on 8 December 2008.

Manning revisited this latter issue during a press conference at the National Press Club on 8 December 2008:

[center]"It is common knowledge that African men, coming from the continent of Africa—especially for the first time
—do diligently seek out white women to have sexual intercourse with.
Generally the most noble of white society choose not to intercourse sexually with these men.
So it's usually the trashier ones who make their determinations that they're going to have intimacy."[/center]

^{Reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_David_Manning}

funmbi92:

I want to know if its right to allow kissing in a Godly relationship.

Am not talking about SEX.

Newmi responding to funmbi92:

Though this is childish question, but it only explains that you haven't seen these reference in scriptures
Gen 27:27
Gen 29:11
1 Sam 10:1
1Sam 20:41
1 Kings 19:20
Luke 7:38
Acts 20:37

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Oh almighty Newmi, "Taba nowo ika siyan, meta ninu e apada na sara eni"

Literally means resist the impulse of a pot calling a kettle black

because how is the type and nature of question asked by OP - funmbi92 different from the one thou asked below (i.e. Did Jesus Lie Here?)

Newmi asking Did Jesus Lie Here?:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-574101.0.html#msg7401400

John 7:8-10
⁸Go ye up unto this feast: I GO NOT up yet unto this feast; for my time is not full come.
⁹When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee.
¹⁰But when his brethren were gone up, then WENT he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret."

Did Jesus lie?

PS: Good signposts Newmi

Pastor AIO:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17m8OnHC7dQ[/flash]

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Pastor James David Manning covered a few ground, with some home truths no doubt.

He skirted the floor and darted from black people to black man, skidded on to the black woman and then circled back to black people

If not for his distorted facts or fixed ideas of Africa and the discrepancies in his message, it would have be helpful, of good benefit and valuable use

To some degree it fell short of been an effective message because of the contradictions of the evidence and inconsistencies in his whole story .

With the debatable and controversial parts highlighted in bold, the points of interest in the message are available below:

0.49 . . . black people got a problem, and it’s a God problem . . .

you can train a black man to be a physician, an astrophysicist, train him to be a lawyer

1.07 . . . but can’t train him to understand the world he don’t know. Am telling ya . . .

1.34 . . . Only God can help black people where they are Black people behind Africa

1.41 . . . that big old continent over there . . . they never built one boat that was sea worthy. Not one!

. . . there's not one monument in Africa or whole of Africa

I know you're talking about Egypt. Egypt is not Africa

1.58 . . . there no great cities that were built.

Even before the first colonisation of white people coming to the shores of Africa or the slaves ships

Black men built nothing, no sewer system,

no houses above one level and none of them made out of stone,

all of them made out of grass and wood

Black men before the white men ever got to Africa

2.59 . . . black folk don’t know how to run no nation. They don’t know how . . . we have a problem.

Nigeria produces oil every year yet the children over there are hungry, pot-bellied and walking barefooted . . .

3.37 . . . Nigeria look at what yall have done to Harlem. Yall can’t even hold on to Harlem!

We have problem. Black folk don't understand the world

3.58 The only person that's going to help us get out of the situation is going to be God

There is something wrong with the Black man's mind

There is something wrong with his mind! . . . he doesn’t understand the world

4.12 . . . he doesn't understand the world . . .

4.19 . . . we gotta talk with the LORD. People we've gotta talk with GOD

4.28 . . . and black women . . . Shirley Chisholm Harry Tubman and Coretta King warned our boys.

Yeah OK, then we got a Black President

but you black women, what's wrong with yall?

Yall gonna let that white woman . . .

What's wrong with you black women, voting for Barack

Don't you understand?

It should have been a black woman, if you're going to have a black president

What's wrong with you?

You all is got no sense you black women.

Your men treat you like their dogs, like a dog. They walk all over you. 

They make you pay the bills at home

and then the preachers p!mp you and the churches

They make you pay the bills

Yall crazy, black woman

buying these black men private jets,

the tune of 50M dollars for a nigga to ride around in a private jet

and you're talking about look at our pastor

What's wrong with yall women?

What's wrong with you? What's wrong with you!

and what’s wrong with a black man

that will take that kind of money out of a poor neighbourhood and buy himself a private jet

What's wrong with yall niggas?

What's wrong with you! What's wrong with you black women

5:38 What's wrong with yall

You niggas are crazy!

6.02 . . . talk to a black man he doesn’t understand the world

He's never built anything

The most a black people has ever done, they did it in America under white people's help

When they were in Africa, they didn’t do nothing!

Now here is correcting a few of Pastor James David Manning's ignorances, fallacies and misleading notions   

Pastor James David Manning on the contrary Egypt is African

Ignored chapter of history tells of a time when kings (i.e. with broad flat noses) from deep in Africa conquered

and ruled ancient Egypt as Pharaohs

FYI Pastor James David Manning, black people invented, had monuments and built pre-colonialisation

Black people were the original inventors of the disciplines that helped bring the world into the technological age

Africans invented the binary system which is still used in the Yoruba oracle

and was copied by a German scientists and applied to computer programming

The Yoruba surrounded their settlements with massive mud walls with verandahs  around the court.

The walls were of puddled mud and palm oil.

The most famous of Yoruba fortifications and the 2nd largest wall edifice in Africa is Sungbo's Eredo.

It is made up of sprawling mud walls and the valleys that surrounded the town of Ijebu-Ode in Ogun state.

Sungbo's Eredo is the largest pre-colonial monument in Africa, larger than the Great Pyramid or Great Zimbabwe.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Drawing_of_Benin_City_made_by_an_English_officer_1897.jpg
^{Drawing of Benin City made by an English officer, 1897}

The bottom line in escaping the dilemma which is of all people and not only that of the black people,

is to let not our behaviour be like that of this world,

but be changed and made new in mind, so that by experience we may have knowledge of the good and pleasing and complete purpose of God.

^{References:
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/02/black-pharaohs/robert-draper-text.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_Africa
Romans 12:2 BBE}

@Posting

e36991 #66 on: October 19, 2010, 08:23 PM:
Inviting Kola Oloye On The Evidence Of The Deity Of Christ

@kola oloye

Hope you dont get messed up with the theology

GOD is omnipotent. All powerful. Right?

Is it impossible for GOD to be in two places at the same time?

If God actually died? - God didnt die, it's Jesus, God the Son that died

Who made the resurrection? - God the Father. The one that has power over life & death

God crying? - Bible 101 - GOD is not man or a son of man. GOD hasnt got hang-ups with crying especially when it comes down to saving butt$

Crying is a small price to pay for countless bacons that will be saved

ǝɔıɟɟo-ʇɐ-ʇslıɥʍ-ʎluo-ssǝɔɔɐ-ʇǝuɹǝʇuı ɹnoʎ sıɥʇ ʇnoqɐ ǝuop ǝq oʇ spǝǝu ƃuıɥʇǝɯos

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This is one of the major hangups our muslim brethren have

This psychological or emotional difficulty of not understanding that God can be in heaven and earth at the same

is an obstacle to their development and progress

Gamine:

If Adam had just asked for forgiveness . . .

I realized a lesson from this, its not about not offending someone

Its about having the sense of responsibility and the humility to admit a wrong and ask for forgiveness

Something men the world over still struggle to do.

Adam had to blame someone, something for the wrong he partook in.

By blaming Eve,

Man now has to struggle for woman's respect.

Because really i cant even imagine a guy blaming me for a wrongdoing we both committed

especially when he was supposed to be the caretaker and stop me from doing the wrong thing.

i would definitely loose respect for him.

The womans role in this world today is to make the men feel good about themselves

and in return they pour themselves out to us

pretty good bargain!

@Gamine

Now say for reasoning sake, Adam was really blaming Eve and Gamine was right about "Man now has to struggle for woman's respect."

It is imaginable that Adam could find it hard loving Eve after the fiasco

and Eve too in the same vein could find it hard respecting Adam

but at the end of the day, Ephesians 5:33 states:

"So again I say, each man must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband"

This means that anyone who belongs to Christ has become a new person. The old life is gone; a new life has begun!

so the new man should not struggle for the woman's respect

and neither should the new woman struggle for the man's love.

^{References: Genesis 3:12; 2 Corinthians 5:17}

Gamine:

If Adam had just asked for forgiveness . . .

I realized a lesson from this, its not about not offending someone

Its about having the sense of responsibility and the humility to admit a wrong and ask for forgiveness

Something men the world over still struggle to do.

Adam had to blame someone, something for the wrong he partook in.

By blaming Eve,

Man now has to struggle for woman's respect.

Because really i cant even imagine a guy blaming me for a wrongdoing we both committed

especially when he was supposed to be the caretaker and stop me from doing the wrong thing.

i would definitely loose respect for him.

The womans role in this world today is to make the men feel good about themselves

and in return they pour themselves out to us

pretty good bargain!

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Yeah, Adam blamed Eve

and Eve passing the buck, blamed the serpent . . .

It was a  travesty. No one was remorseful

Adam built a fence (i.e. the ". . . if we touch the tree, we'll surely die . . . "

but hey wait-a-minute, God didnt anything about touching. This is/was Adam improvising for Eve's sake

Anyways, Eve climbed the fence, took the fruit, ate and handed rest to Adam to eat

I suppose Adam had a misleading relief when Eve did not drop dead after eating the fruit

The false sense of security probably contributed to him too taking a bite

Imagine Adam shock and horror when he realised the cookie's crumbled (i.e. epa oboro mo)

Chivalry? Not this one. That would be for another man.

Adam sang like a canary and dropped Eve in it . . .

But in actual sense, Adam wasnt really on about Eve or blaming Eve . . .

Or was he?

This was Adam's second and final act of rebellion

Yeah, a closing momentarily stance of defiance . . .

"Adam said unto the Lord God, "The woman (Eve) whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit of the tree, and I ate

Adam was actually pointing the finger of blame at the Lord God not realising three were point back at him

(i.e. He was saying literally "Pftt! You gave me the woman in the first place, so suck it up and deal with it"

Starting with Adam, this is now a very common practice . Blame God for the personal and all the world problems . . .

Anyways, Adam was a gibberish DROWNING man clutching at straws,

blurting out nonsensicals when he saw the world slip through his fingers

There are a lot of lessons and hallmarks on how to be a man here; a real man

- a noble man of valor for that matter

^{References: Genesis 3:12}

lagerwhenindoubt:

Cain, Judas (Iscariot) Hezekiah, Nebuchadnezzar, Two thieves on either of Jesus side at crucifixion, The Tower of Babel and King Solomon's reign are among aspects of Bible and History that are of deep academic interest to me but i will summarize my take on Hezekiah

He was a Practical Man and one for Religious Reforms, so he is in my books a "Responsible Man of God" who unfortunately came to a sad end with his Kingdom and conscience in tatters.

The part of his story that interests me is not that God extended the years of his life but the events that transpired during those years. His rebellion against the Assyrian Empire and Sennacherib’s invasion is proof to the weird power of prophecy, He faced a painful dilemma; Listening to his political and military advisers on one hand, and the "caustic" prophet Isaiah rebuking him on the other.

With the Kingdom of Judah at risk, he reasoned that trusting in God seem the obvious choice but the reality on ground demanded reason more than faith (for the time-being the threat of Egypt was imminent) , Judah was a vassal state to the Assyrian empire (with it some un-Godly practices that must have angered God ). He had accepted physical, spiritual, and metaphorical slavery over trust in God’s deliverance and I figure if it were up to most people; facing the ruthless might of the Assyrian, we too may have made the decisions Hezekiah did.

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Ern-erh. Interesting. OK ooo.

I'll be back like Arnold Schwarzenegger, dropping cats among your pigeons . . .

I will be back, no sooner than the weekend, God willing, to drop flies in this ointment

" . . .  be back over the weekend to this . . . " like my friend Image123 usually says 

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With the desire by some so-called men of God to live big and acquire all the luxuries of life, church business has now become so lucrative that almost all of them want to live big like the founders and pastors who cruise around the world in private jets, flashy cars and dress in elegant and expensive dresses.

Disagreement over the management of church money has often led to fierce divisions in some churches, leading to the exit of some pastors who break away from their former places of worship to found their own churches. Though some lay claim to receiving a “Divine call into the ministry”, many, especially considering the profligate kind of life they live, are in for it because of the monetary gain they would reap in the vineyard of God.

Global News, in this edition X-rays the history and activities of some pastors who rebelled against their former bosses to form their own churches.

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1) Pastor Mathew Ashimolowo: The founder of Kingsway International Christian Church (KICC) was once a member of Four Square Gospel Church led by an academician, Dr Wilson Badejo. Ashimolowo, according to a source, had been nursing the idea of owning his own church while he was still with the Four Square in Nigeria. However, the opportunity provided itself on a platter of gold when he was posted to London to take charge of the London church.

It was in London that he dumped the Four Square to form his own church, Kingsway International Christian Church, a decision he has not regretted since it was taken 10 years ago as he is now one of the richest pastors in Nigeria.

His church attracts 8,000 worshippers while Ashimolowo earns nothing less than 100,000 pounds sterling yearly, more than what the Archbishop of Canterbury, the official head of the Anglican Church, earns.

The KICC account reveals the church made £4.9m profit over the last 18 months and has assets worth £22.9m, more than three times the amount held by the foundation maintaining St  Paul’s Cathedral.

The bulk of the money comes from the donations it fleeces out of the church members, largely African and Caribbean; they paid £9.5m in tithes and offering in the 18 months to April 2008, dwarfing the £33,000 average for the Church of England over the same period.

Another method Ashimolowo uses to force money out of his church members apart from the traditional plate collection, is that forms are handed out to worshippers at some services so they can make bank transfers.

Ashimolowo’s church’s increasing wealth attracted unwanted attention after the discovery of financial irregularities in 2005 by Charity Commission investigators. He was ordered to repay £200,000 after it was substantiated that he used church assets to buy a £13,000 Florida timeshares and £120,000 on his birthday celebration including £80,000 on a car.

The flamboyant pastor, apart from his salary from preaching, also made money from royalties from sermons published in books and on DVD’s through his own company, Mathew Ashimolowo Media Ministries which made a profit of close to £60,000 in 2003.

The four church directors earn between £60,000 and £80,000 each yearly, in contrast to a typical Church of England vicar who earns around £21,500 and even the Archbishop Canterbury, who has responsibility for an active congregation of close to a million people and earns only £68,740 a year.

Also in Nigeria, he has joined the league of churches with private universities as he is currently building a university on a large expanse of land in his home town, Ode Omu in Osun State. The place is called “Land of Dreams”.

He has in his garage exotic wonders-on-wheels like Range Rover Vogue Sport, Porsche Cayenne, Hummer Jeep among others.

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2) Ayo Oritsejafor: The founder of Word of Life Church, Warri broke away from Idahosa’s Church of God Mission. He was one of the obedient servants of the late Benson Idahosa heading the Warri church. He broke away from the church to actualize his dream of owning his own church after some squabble with the late Idahosa.

His opportunity came one Sunday after he had a meeting with the late Idahosa in Benin and headed straight to Warri. While there, he mounted the pulpit, said a few words, broke down in tears and announced that he was leaving. The announcement caused a commotion that day as many people couldn’t believe that Oritsejafor would be leaving without any formal notice and out of loyalty to him, virtually all the members of the Warri branch followed him when he established his own church.

Today, Oritsejafor is one of the men of God living big in the vineyard of God. He moves around in a convoy of exotic cars and escorts.

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3) Tunde Bakare: Pastor Tunde Bakare, the founder of Latter Rain Assembly Church, started his missionary journey with the Pastor E.A. Adeboye-led Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG), where he was the first pastor of ‘Model Parish’. He was the pastor in charge of ACME Parish that was growing steadily in numbers before Pastor Bakare caught the vision to start his own and when he was leaving the parish, he left with almost all the members of the congregation. Today he has not regretted the action as his church, Latter Rain is one of the fastest growing in Nigeria both in membership and worldly materials.

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4) Pastor Gbenga Osho: Pastor Gbenga Osho of the Laughter Foundation Church, which is reputed for giving babies to barren women, also broke away from the Gospel Faith Mission where he was one of the high ranking members of the church. In his  quest to own a church, he left Gospel Faith Mission after a misunderstanding over money with the church elders to form his own church called Laughter Foundation, where he is making waves, growing both in numbers and worldly  perks of owning a church.

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5) Bishop George Adjeman: Is the former pastor of the Ghana branch of Living Faith Word Ministries known as Winners’ Chapel. Trouble broke out between him and Bishop Oyedepo, the founder of the church, when Bishop Adjeman attempted to declare independence of the Ghana branch from the main church. He planned to change the name of the church to Champions’ Chapel. When Oyedepo got wind of his plot, he posted him to Ibadan, which he refused and instead opted to slug it out with Oyedepo to claim the Ghana Church from him.

The problem started, according to sources, because Adjeman was unhappy with the way Oyedepo was treating him after labouring for Oyedepo for 18 years with nothing to show for it while Oyedepo was living in affluence, with a private jet, private university among other luxuries.

The crisis degenerated and after a series of meetings brokered by the Ghanaian Pentecostal Council, no agreement was reached: Adjeman would not budge while Oyedepo also refused to allow him go away with his money-spinning Ghana branch.

To settle the problem, Adjeman made a demand that he be paid $50,000 as severance, along with the church mission house and a car. Oyedepo vehemently opposed this but he was persuaded to see Adjeman as a son and not a rebel and that he should see the money given to Adjeman as a parting gift to a son.  Bishop Oyedepo, after due consultation with his church elders, was said to have agreed to approve $100,000 but without a car and a house. This didn’t go down well with Adjeman and he decided to take over the church for himself.

The rebellion of Adjeman split over the nearly 20,000-strong church membership; while some were in support of Oyedepo, others were sympathetic to Adjeman. When the problem was getting out of hand, to avoid blood letting, the police authorities in Ghana closed down the church. Adjeman was prevented from taking over the church after the leader of the Nigerian delegation, Pastor Abraham Ojene  lodged a report with the police authorities. But he was reportedly humiliated by Adjeman’s men on his trip to Ghana.

The whole world was shocked when Adjeman revealed all the financial transactions of the church. Quoting mind boggling figures that would tempt even the “uncalled” to start his church, Adjeman left no one in doubt that money, especially dollars, was in super abundance in the church and that the crisis indeed had a very mammonic root.

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6) Wole Oladiyun: Is the founder of wave-making Christ Living Spring Apostolic Ministry popularly known as CLAM, situated around Omole in Ikeja. He was born to Christ Apostolic Church-attending parents but in his quest to learn more about God, Pastor Oladiyun went to the Latter Rain Bible School Lagos. He also passed through Deeper Life Bible Church, Victory Christian Church before he ended up with Faith Family Bible Church Ojodu headed by Rev (Dr) D.K. Aboderin.

He left Faith Family Church to establish his own, and since then the church has been growing both in numbers and material gains that accompany today’s gospel work. He also owns a private school, J-Nissi Children School, Ogba.

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7) Pastor Everest Ofoegbu: He started his missionary under Pastor Lazarus Mouka of Lord Chosen Charismatic Church sometime in December 2007. The “trendy” and “charismatic” Overseer of Christ Chosen Generation Revival Ministry, Pastor Eze Nnamdi Ofoegbu wrote a petition to the police against the General Overseer of Lord’s Chosen Charismatic Revival Ministry, Pastor Lazarus Muoka, demanding the sum of N317 million from his former pastor (Muoka), being what he sank into the church from inception up till the time they parted ways. He said it was an investment, based on an unwritten agreement between them. Ofoegbu said then: “What I am asking for is the fulfilment of the agreement we both entered into, an investment into the work of God for which there will be profit and returns. We both agreed that I invest my life savings and that we were going to reap it many fold when the time comes. I believed him and I invested all that I had including the one that did not belong to me. When the time of harvest came, he started finding faults with me to embarrass me and frustrate me out of the church.

“A man invests with the hope of reaping, I started investing in this project since 2004. From that time till when I left I had invested over N300m. That expanse of land where the church is today and the fleet of luxury buses you see there are part of the investments. The planting of the church in Dubai, United Arab Emirate, Abidjan, Ikoyi and Ibadan are also part of the investments. These are aside the series of crusades we held across the country and beyond.”

Ofoegbu also said: “I am not asking for what I have given to the Lord, far from it. If you have given to the Lord, you have given to the Lord. What you give to the Lord are tithes, and offerings in different forms. Nobody goes back to say I want my offering back or I want my tithes back, no. If you give these to the house of God, you have given to the Lord.”

“I only mention these because these are the areas where he said I should go ahead and put money and that the church was going to refund me. There are so many other areas like advertising in print and electronic media which I cannot really go into now. It got to a point when I had spent virtually what I had, in fact, it was like he hypnotized me, he cast a spell on me whereby I was pumping money into the church foolishly, now the scales have fallen off my eyes, I now realize my folly. I am awake to a realization that it was not normal and I hereby demand for a refund, especially for the repayment of the money of my partner from you and your organization.”

Though the master and servant have since settled their differences, things can never be  the same again for the two based on the messy revelations of Ofoegbu which made him to set up his own church business so as to at least corner the whole money for himself and not share with anybody.

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8 ) Pastor Kyrian Ojong: He was a pastor of The Redeemed Christian Church of God Jesus Sanctuary on Atekong Drive in Calabar, the Cross River State capital. Pastor Ojong lectures at the department of History and Philosophy at the University of Calabar and joined RCCG ten years ago. He was lured from Assemblies of God Church by the leadership of RCCG because of his charisma and faith to head the church in Calabar, first in acting capacity and later as senior pastor.

Trouble started between Ekong and leadership of the church when he was posted to another branch known as House of David, the posting which he frowned at and considered as demotion after working hard to establish more than 63 branches of the church in Cross River State.

It was gathered that Ojong was bitter that he was transferred to a branch that doesn’t not have influential and important people as members and felt bad that another pastor was brought from another state to head the Calabar province 1 and 2  instead of making him provincial head of the church in Calabar.

Pastor Ojong, before he left RCCG told his members that he had delayed the call by God for him to start his own ministry and that he saw the posting as an opportunity to quit and establish his own church. To show their support for him, his followers rented a hall for him at West African People’s Institute for three years to enable him kick-start his ambition. He now worships with some of his followers who moved with him from Jesus Sanctuary.

Pastor Ituah Ighodalo: When the going was good between him and the leadership of the Adeboye-led Redeemed Christian Church of God, he was a spiritual son to the General Overseer of the church that is adjudged to be one of the fastest growing in the world.

However, trouble broke out between Ighodalo and the leadership of RCCG over his second marriage to ex-beauty queen Ibidun Ajayi ten years after his first marriage to Ann Sunner collapsed. The couple parted ways when they couldn’t produce any child. His wife refused to return to Nigeria with him.

Few years into his marriage with Ibidun, the leadership of RCCG suspended him from the church based on the doctrine of  the church but instead of him to subject himself to the doctrine, he decided to move out to set up his own church, which he now calls Trinity Church.

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9) Sam And Victor Adeyemi: Most people in Lagos may not know that the Senior Pastor of Daystar Ministries, Ikeja, Lagos, Pastor Sam Adeyemi has a brother that is also a pastor. Pastor Victor Adeyemi, the General Overseer of the Global Harvest Church, located in Ibadan, Oyo State is the immediate younger brother of Pastor Sam Adeyemi.

Both of them are successful ministers of God today. Victor, just like his brother Sam, entered into full time ministry with Rhema Chapel under the ministry of Reverend George Adegboye in Kwara State. Though the Adeyemis were born into a religious home in Odo-Ere, Yagba-West Local Government Area in Kogi State, they became the first members of their family to become ministers of God. This happened when they joined Rhema Chapel International Churches, under the ministry of Rev. George Adegboye, who believed so much in the two that he made Rev. Sam Adeyemi the Director of Pastoral Care before he later made him Minister in Charge, and later posted him to Lagos. Victor was at the same time posted to the Ibadan branch of the church. It was while in Lagos and Ibadan respectively, miles away from the church’s headquarters in Ilorin, that the two said they heard from God to move forward in 1995.

It was the said word of God that came to the two the same day and time on one of their journeys back to their bases from the Ilorin headquarters of Rhema Chapel that led to the establishment of the more than 20,000-congregation of Daystar Ministries in Lagos and the over 10,000-congregation of Global Harvest Church, Ibadan. Their action, according to Rev. George Adegboye of Rhema Chapel, was really bad because the two left on the same day also, taking along with them sizeable proportions of their respective congregations.

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10) Bishop (Dr.) Mike Okonkwo: Bishop (Dr.) Mike Okonkwo was born in Enugu. After his secondary education he joined te Nigerian Ports Authority in 1964, where he worked only for three months before crossing over to the banking industry with African Continental Bank (ACB).  His encounter with Jesus was when he was in the fold of the United Church of Christ (UCC) which has its headquarters in Enugu and he started attending church services regularly.

It was in the UCC that he was ordained into the ministry and his first pastoral responsibility was in Lagos with UCC. He was later ordained an Evangelist in the church, saddled with the responsibility of establishing more branches of the church in Lagos ,which he did wholeheartedly from 1976 to 1980, after which he recieved a certificate of licence from International Deliverance Churches, Dallas, Texas, USA.

Armed with the certificate, he moved on to establish The Redeemed Evangelical Mission (TREM) in 1981. He also bagged some other qualifications, some of which are; diploma degree from the Morris Cerullo School of Ministry, San Diego, California, USA; diploma from International Bible Institute and Seminary, Orlando, Florida; Bachelor of Bible Theology from the same university and later, The Covington Theological Seminary, Fort Oglethorpe, Georgia, USA which, because of his many years in the ministry of God, gave him a waiver for Masters Degree, after which he proceeded with his Doctorate degree programme in Divinity which he successfully completed and was conferred with Doctor of Divinity degree with all rights and privileges pertaining thereto. In 1984, the Board of Directors of International Bible Institute, Orlando, Florida, USA conferred on him a Doctor of Letters Degree. In 1987, the United Christian International Bible Institute, Cleveland, Tennessee, USA awarded him a Doctor of Divinity certificate.

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11) Pastor Tony Rapu: He’s a pastor that was regarded as one of the closest to the General Overseer of The Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG), Pastor Enoch Adeboye, some years back while he was heading the church’s Freedom Hall Parish. Pastor Tony Rapu, as a minister in the fold was given liberty to do many things. This in no small way broadened the view of the man as he was in a capacity to enter any state in the country, all in the name of expanding the coast of the church, and his actions after that caused many to ask the GO if the young pastor was acting in the interest of the church. This led to his transfer to Europe and his Freedom Hall parish divided into four, to be managed by four of his assistants. On his return he decided to form his own church – This Present House (TPH). Many of the congregation of his former church formed the bulk of those who started the new church with him when he decided to move on after it is obvious that the church would not reinstate him as head of his former parish. That was how Pastor Tony Rapu who was once one of the most outstanding pastors in the RCCG, moved on to form his own church, using his former church as a leverage to achieving this end.

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12) Reverend Lazarus Muoka :Lazarus Muoka is the General Overseer of Lord Chosen Charismatic Renewal Ministry, which is situated somewhere along Mile 2 – Oshodi expressway in Lagos and is regarded as one of the fastest growing churches of this era. Little do many know that the aggressive preaching pastor was at a time a member and later a pastor in the fold of Watchman Catholic Charismatic Renewal Mission, where he rose to become the pastor of Mushin branch until he said he had a call to go establish his own church. The decision caused crisis there are allegation of blackmail and many more leveled against him. As expected, many members of his former church followed him to his new church, which is not too far from his former church. The popularity of the church cannot be overemphasized as it is visible for all to see.

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13) Prophet Elijah Akinade: The pastor and more of a General Overseer of Christ Apostolic Church (CAC), Lion of Judah, Prophet Akinade started as a member of the choir in the Ibadan branch of Agabala Itura, the church of the current General Evangelist of the Christ Apostoic Church Worldwide, Prophet Dr. S.K. Abiara. He later rose to become one of the leaders in the church choir. Unlike many who must have served in the capacity of pastoring over some selected congregation of the church at one time or the other, Prophet Akinade was said to have just moved on to starting his own church in the city of Ibadan, after which he moved to Lagos. Though his defection to form his new church was said not to have affected the ministry of the senior prophet, it infuriated some members of the church who saw his defection as a slap because some members of the choir defected with him. This they regarded as a sabotage of the effort of the pastors in the church. All these have since then been swept under the carpet as the church has forged ahead and the popularity of the Prophet Akinade’s church cannot be contested as he can boast of congregation of more than 1,000 every week.

Source: Global News magazine

mazaje:

What exactly is this man saying??

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Apparently referring to this: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-564882.0.html#msg7312702

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It’s no doubt that most modern judicial systems have elements of The Mosaic Law also referred to as the Moral Law in their framework . . .

But why are other laws in the Old Testament (i.e. OT) getting lumbered & associated with The 10 Commandments (i.e. the Mosaic Law) here . . .

Mazaje fails to recognise and distinguish a civil or civic law (i.e. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother’s milk - Exodus 23:19) from the Mosaic Law

“Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother’s milk” - Exodus 23:19 is one of the civil or civic laws introduced by Moses with a focal point on the Israelites’ health.

Refer to Deutronomy 14:21 (i.e. . . . Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk) for more information on clean and unclean foods

As a matter of fact, altogether there are 613 laws (i.e. 603 laws without the 10 commandments) in the Old Testament

Out of the 613 laws in the OT, 365 have positive consequences; the other 248 have negative consequences.

Altogether the laws are in three self-explanatory categories:

1 – Moral laws (i.e. The 10 commandments or the Mosaic Laws)
2 – Ceremonial laws
3 – Civil or Civic laws

Mazaje’s “Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother’s milk” (i.e. Exodus 23:19) is one of the 248 laws with negative consequences.

Exodus 23:19 - “Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother’s milk” is not one of the 10 commandments (i.e. The Mosaic Law otherwise known as the Moral law) but rather is a civil or civic law introduced by Moses on health grounds

Among other obvious things, it was the negative health consequences (i.e. potentially can lead to death) of Exodus 23:19, a common Canaanite ritual and pagan practice then (i.e. cooking meat in milk for fertility and/or prosperity) that called for the law to be brought about

Remember Moses was in charge of a whole nation . . .

Moses literally was the MOG and pastor for at least 3.6 million people.

With next to nothing in terms of water, sanitation, people living in tents, constantly on the move at the drop of a hat, the heat, the dust etc  . . .

Moses was leading at least up to 3.6 million people out of Egypt to the Promised Land.

If measures (i.e. checks and balances) such as Exodus 23:19 were not taken,

imagine the dire consequences if an epidemic or an outbreak of disease where to happen in the wilderness-desert whilst leading 3.6+ million people  to the Promised Land

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Going by your admission, please show where in the bible it states ". . . the punishment for anyone caught breaking this commandment is of course death"

mantraa:

The wages of sin is death! Sin is the transgression of the law. The ten commandments where the law, written in stone by the almighty god Yahweh.

Break any one of those laws and your punishment is death.  (Romans 6:23)

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SMH, all these stringing and antics dont cease to amaze

mazaje:

What exactly is this man saying??

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"Ko le ye ee" means literally "Una no fit sabi"

Going by your admission, please show where in the bible it states ". . . the punishment for anyone caught breaking this commandment is of course death"

Bastage:

Doesn't matter how many videos you post, dude.

You're still going to hell. 

Bastage:

Hey OLAADEGBU. You don't preach. Preaching takes some imagination. You don't have any.
All you do is repeat parrot fashion, garbage that you've seen elsewhere.

You're probably the most boring poster on nairaland. The same level as a spammer. What about coming out with some of your own stuff for a change instead of posting trash that people can easily find on the net for themselves if they so wish?

OLAADEGBU:

Your comment doesn't surprise me because it is just your opinion and that I know what you are all about. 

I know that it is your intention to cause doubt in the Word of God since you don't believe in it

and you try to prevent others from believing the infallible Word of God that can give you life.

If I don't preach what is that to you?  Did I tell you that I am competing for popularity or for the best poster in the religious section? 

If people are blessed through my posts the glory goes to God Almighty. 

I am also blessed when I read my posts

so don't you think that your effort in discouraging folks from reading, studying and believing Scriptures is defeated? 

Or was it my posts on hellfire that I raised that is tormenting you and your croonies? 

If care is not taken I will raise those posts again to scare the hell out of you.

@OLAADEGBU

My fellow lord:

- "They braided a crown of thorns and put it on his head, and a reed in his right hand; and they kneeled down before him, and mocked him, saying . . . "

- "Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give your[b]selves fully to the work of the Lord[/b],

because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain"

- "For God [is] not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love,

which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister"

- "I'm coming soon! I will bring my reward with me to pay all people based on what they have done

^{References: Matthew 27:29; 1 Corinthians 15:58 Hebrews 6:10 and Revelation 22:12}

bashr4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj1-yFzUhbM&feature=player_embedded

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj1-yFzUhbM?fs=1&[/flash]

@^^^^

Seems it's not a scene from Gollywood

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WELCOME.

Do not be like the cat who wanted a fish but was afraid to get his paws wet.
- William Shakespeare (1564-1616).

Our lives are filled with "moments." How we recognize and deal with these "moments" determines the present and future we will experience.

From birth, we are given free will. There is a destination for our lives which will bring as happiness and inner peace. Our daily decision is like a map.

If you make the right turns, you will reach your destination easily. If you make a wrong turn, you will become lost.

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One Friday evening around 7:30 as I was coming from church and met a man lying by the road side near a cemetery at Pankrono.

I saw the man who had vomited on himself and decided to help him. I took the man to the hospital and treated him.

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The devil is a LIAR, Yeshua is the MESSIAH

mantraa:

10. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother’s milk.

Can someone please tell me what is the moral value of commandment number 10.

The almighty, omnipotent, omniscient god Yahweh's final commandment to all mankind, written in stone!

The punishment for anyone caught breaking this commandment is of course death.

Is this really as ridiculous as it sounds or is there a deeper meaning to it?

mazaje:

Non of them will touch this . . . Thou shall not seethe a kid in his mother's milk, eh? . . . No be small thing . . .

lagerwhenindoubt:

@mazaje
ka manta da maganan. If it has remained a mystery this long why would it be revealed now?

@^^^

Pftt! Mystery my foot. Dont indulge.

Delusions. Figment of the imagination . . . and it culminated to showing up the person behind it.

This is nothing more than an outright and blatant display of ignorance

Instead of putting the person responsible for this theological faux pas in place, the shocking ignorance will be allowed to slide . . .

The perpetrator can stew a bit more in the ignorance because the pearls are being tightly held onto

"The punishment for anyone caught breaking this commandment is of course death" - Porkies; Mazaje spreading a false report

"Can someone please tell me what is the moral value of commandment number 10" -  Bible 101. My fingers are laughing

vescucci:

e36991. You have not daaled and tu sha. You have tu sha and daaled o

@vescucci

Vescucci, my friend. Just came down for a nightcap . . .

So you sabi "Yoruba, Yoruba" . . .

lagerwhenindoubt:

I shall (think it safe to) assume nearly everyone (Muslims, Christians, Atheists, Pagans, Traditionalists and Free-thinkers) is at least familiar with the 10 Commandments of Bible Literature (even if some may not know each one by instruction)

I shall summarize for the purpose of brevity; the 10 Commandments is a list of religious and moral imperatives that, (according to the Hebrew Bible) were given by God to the Israelite from Mount Sinai or Horeb.  an inscription on two stone tablets which God wrote with his finger and gave to Moses.

The 10 Commandments are recognized as a moral foundation in Judaism and Christianity.

The 10 Commandments declare the Lord, who brought the Israelites out of slavery in Egypt, to be God; prohibit having other gods before the Lord, and making or worshiping idols; threaten punishment for those who reject the Lord and promise love for those who love him; forbid misuse of the Lord's name; demand observance of the Sabbath and honoring one's parents; prohibit killing, adultery, theft, false testimony, and coveting of one's neighbor's goods.

That said, Did God write the 10 Commandments and why would he need to?

We are clearly told that the Fallen Man (Adam and Eve) possessed the Knowledge of Good and Evil (Conscience or Still Small Voice) and basically had the framework for a guiding sense of Morality.

Why did God not give them such Laws? Must Morality be derived from God? 

Is the responsibility to determine what is right and wrong a function of God's Divine Law?

Are our actions Morally Right or Wrong because God says so?

Do we need a Law-Maker and a Law-Giver to know what is Morally Wrong or Right.

When I look at similar 10 commandments of Allah, it still bears the same obviously simple concepts of Morality that even non-Muslims and non-Christians can agree with.

Do we need God to tell us what is Morally Right and Wrong? in such Strict Terms?

Thank you for your time

@lagerwhenindoubt

^{Posting this against my better judgment - should be in bed}

Lager’ “Je ka daale, ka tu sha” literally means Lager’ lets have another look from the beginning and re-evaluate

To begin with, it needs to be recognised that, from the beginning to-date,

that the crux of the whole matter had nothing to do with the moral but rather with faith (i.e. belief)

The whole affair started with only one “Thou shall not . . .” (i.e. Thou should not eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil)

before the ten “Thou shall nots” (i.e. the 10 Commandments) that followed suit.

There was no moral code or moral values then. Morality had not kicked in and it was no big deal

because what mattered there and then was only what God says (i.e. God's word is law) and His standard

Only God is good and the just shall live, by faith . . .

Now, if one decided to bite the bullet, to take one’s destiny in one’s hand, then . . .

Can one have one’s cake and eat it?

How can one make sense of good if one has no knowledge of evil and vice versa?

How can one make out good if one has not experienced evil and vice versa?

How can one decode good if one has not been exposed to evil and vice versa?

The end of running this course eventually and undoubtedly will lead to the 10 commandments

God should not be in any dock for the 10 Commandments but rather Adam and Eve should

Adam and Eve threw caution to the wind.

They miscalculated and their contradictory desires and craving laid the concrete for the coming up 10 Commandments

This is what the Lord GOD declares:
"For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end."

The 10 commandments is one of the gifts out of the pandora box Adam and Eve opened

The route that Adam and Eve got off on, led to the 10 commandments

Nothing to do with God. God was only obliging . . .

Lagerwhenindoubt, you put forward the question “Did God write the 10 Commandments and why would he need to?”

Yes He did, and as a matter of fact, in a way the 10 commandments is actually symbolic.

Symbolic in the sense that, on one hand it denotes “The cross” (i.e. faith in Jesus on the cross and not the law)

and on the other hand it represents “relationships” (i.e. our dealings with God vertically, parents centrally and fellow men laterally)

Lager’ cast your mind back as far as to Cain and Abel (i.e. Gen 4:6-7) for ". . . why would God he need to?"

Gen 4:6-7 BBE:

⁶And the Lord said to Cain, Why are you angry? and why is your face sad?

⁷If you do well, will you not have honour? and if you do wrong, sin is waiting at the door, desiring to have you, but do not let it be your master.

Romans 3:20 BBE:

Because by the works of the law no man is able to have righteousness in his eyes, for through the law comes the knowledge of sin

- Brb - _{Lights out zzzZZZZ}

PS: GOD and LORD was used a lot in your posting. Research on the meaning of the two words

@ ^^^

There was a law (i.e. Thou shall not eat of the , ) before the 10 commandments.

The 10 commandments were a "means to an end"

As it were the 10 commandments is/was  "the schoolmaster" ,

Those that have "come of age" have no need of the schoolmaster ,

- "Won ti yege , won ti ja kankan" literally means they have shown themselves approved ,

For the kind people that the Isralites were (i.e. Stiff-necked) one surely needs the commandments on stone before they revert no one told me ,

This will do for now, can't post much - on a train and the carriage is swaying ,

InesQor:
LOL!   

- Ditto - 

Argh, pesky train and smartphone. Pfft!

Joagbaje:

@Enigma and InesQor

The use of the word  "Man Of God" refers to a minister and not everybody.

Paul was writing to Timothy,  the question is  who was Timothy? He was a pastor sent to Ephesus. And the book is called a pastoral epistle.

Even though the verse may be applied to all in  a generic sense but it primarily refers to the pastor Timothy . . .

Man in the beginning was a MOG but lost the status in Eden, subsequently he lost too albeit gradually the privilege of communing one-on-one with God.

The close rapport with God deteriorated resulting in few and fewer hearing from God and ultimately led to the dearth and death of MOG

The rebirth of the MOG kicked off as mediators. These MOGs were make-known and served as go-betweens, as it were for Man and God.

Moses’ case was different; his MOG was an archetype, a model of the real Mediator that will restore Man back to his original status

MOG appears seventy times (i.e. 70 times) in the OT and twice (i.e. 2 times) in the NT

Past recipients of this powerful title in the OT were

1- Moses;
2- an Angel;
3- an unnamed man of God that came to Eli
4- Samuel;
5- Shemaiah
6- A second unnamed man of God; was deceived by the old prophet
7- Elijah
8- A third unnamed man of God; no background info stated or provided
9- Elisha
10- A fourth unnamed man of God; no background info stated or provided
11- David
12- and Igdaliah

Timothy is the only mentioned recipient of this powerful title in the NT and that is for a reason which will be revealed later

The young shall grow, isnt it how it is said . . .

- Only doubt, sin or fear will talk one out of translating and converting from a son of God to a man of God (i.e. MOG)

Recollecting, it seems this is exactly what happened in Exodus 20:18-19

Exodus 20:18-19 NIV:
¹⁸ When the people saw [/b]the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet and saw the mountain in smoke, [b]they trembled with fear. They stayed at a distance
¹⁹ and said to Moses, "Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak to us or we will die."

Offer snubbed. Another cold-shoulder at God by Man. Whilst the people hesitate, God is really long suffering in silence and has to wait  . . .

Recall we mentioned that MOG was mentioned only twice in the OT and the title was ascribed by Paul to Timothy.

If noticed Paul actually has a particular style and way of writing. He is old school too.

This is only one of many examples: Most times when Paul writes his epistles (e.g. letter to Timothy) he reminisce the OT and inculcates a bit of OT into his epistles

MOG isn’t a title thrown about lightly, Paul deliberately used the title MOG for Timothy to amplify the seriousness and severity of Timothy’s position and responsibilities

he purposely used that title or office, aiming to drill home to Timothy that as like the Men of God in the OT, Timothy’s position should be integrity, honour, humility, transparency, contentment etc

MOG is not a fashion-tag, elitist, for the selected few or exclusive so let us all come boldly to the throne of our gracious God.

There we will receive his mercy, and we will find grace to help us when we need it most.

There is the expectation of a transit from Sonship to Manhood - son of God to man of God

God wants all to be a MOG, ultimately

*666*:

WHAT EVER QUESTION THAT BOARDERS YOU.
WEATHER CREATION OR PRE- CREATION (FOR I WAS THERE)
JUST ASK AND YOU WILL GET AN ANSWER .

I AM SERIOUS!!!!!!

Jenwitemi:

Three quick questions;

1)Why was the bible god such an asshole in those days?

2)Is he still an asshole, or has he been finally deposed?

3)When is he going to come down to this earth and die for his old screw-ups sins?

There are qite a number of people here who would like to get their hands on him and do him many many things.

*666*:

I can't wait to have your soul fried in hell. You will be one of my top generals at the battle front in fight against Jesus at the valley of Armageddon.

Embrace me as your god and king and your joy will be endless. I require only that you kneel.

Jenwitemi:

And i actually took you seriously as some kind pf balanced and unbiased voice!

You have just revealed yourself as another christian charlattan acting like the devil. Nice game.

You can't even keep your own soul talkless of having somebody else's. What a sham.

Jenwitemi:

Eyah! Did i touch a raw nerve there? We are being rather angry on behalf of "our" god, aren't we?

Stop acting like a child and smell the coffee yourself, my friend.

Your Jesus did not die for my sins because firstly, i was not there to commit any sin, and secondly, i no send am.

Besides, yahweh should come down as himself to get his behind whipped for all his fork ups.

I bet the whiplashing will mostly be done in the modern state of Israel for having put the israelis in such a mess alone.

@Jenwitemi

Why waste money . . .

Who needs to go to a circus with so much clowning going on here . . .

Free entertainment - a variety of coarse natured performances   SMH

Touch nerve? Nope! You wish . . .

Dont be a blockhead. "No oofeinse", as my good friend Mr Cork aka MrCrackles would say,

Yahweh has been and back . . .

To legally operate on earth, one needs a body (e.g. man or animal) . . .

and hey, I don't do angry,

I am too lazy to get angry