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JeSoul:

e36991, you're the best my dear brother!  thank you. I hope everything worked out well with . . .

@JeSoul

Turned out to be a lemon . . .

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yommyuk:
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LESSONS

After 40days and 40nights of fasting Jesus was approached by the devil.

The devil made him an offer 3 times and he rejected them all.

To do this he set his mind on the eternal , and not the temporal, 

Sometimes a believer has to make had sacrificial choices in which he/she must endurance some hardship.

But as a storm can never go on forever, it must cease. So hardship cannot go on forever.

CONCLUSION

Esau represents the line of Abraham's descendants who lacked the will to live in the spirit and not the flesh.

His inability to control his carnal desires left him rejected by God as recipients of his promised blessing.

There are 3 main exploitations or weakness' for sin:

For all that [is] in the world,
the lust of the flesh,
and the lust of the eyes,
and the pride of life,
is not of the Father, but is of the world
- 1 John 2:16 KJV

The classic "Good for food, pleasant to the eyes and to be desired to make one wise!"

@JeSoul

Whay-hey!

JeSoul is back . . .

I should have yielded to the prompt to holler when your absence was felt

Welcome back - It is well my sister . . .

Cast your cares on the LORD and he will sustain you; he will never let the righteous fall - Psalm 55:22 NIV

Praise be to the Lord, to God our Savior, who daily bears our burdens. Selah - Psalm 68:9 NIV

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@Wetu

Welcome . . .

Keep up your postings ( i.e. this, Modern Day Apostles et al)

emma2002:
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Special Study                                                                                                                

THE BIBLE:
BLESSED INFORMATION BRINGING LIFE ETERNAL
2 Timothy 3:16,17

This year marks the end of the 4th Century and the beginning of the 5th Century since the King James Bible was translated. We are rejoicing and we are celebrating 400 years of the King James Bible. It is right and proper to rejoice and celebrate but we go beyond celebration. Why the translation? It is to help the common man read, understand, believe, appropriate, discover God’s love and live in fellowship with Him here and hereafter.

The BIBLE is Blessed Information Bringing Life Eternal. This translation is given to us so each one can discover its blessedness and receive eternal life through Christ, the living Word. As we receive personal, spiritual, physical and eternal benefits, we must reveal the saving truth learnt to others around us. Unknown to our friends and neighbours, the BIBLE is[b] Basic Instruction Before Leaving Earth.[/b] To be ignorant of its content is to regret throughout eternity. The pain of ‘Had I known’ will torment the ignorant for years unending. The most profitable knowledge we can give ourselves and others is the knowledge revealed to us in the BIBLE.

1. THE BIBLE: THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD
2 Timothy 3:16,17; 2 Peter 1:20.

This inspired Word of God is the only source of knowledge of the Almighty God to all mankind. It consists of 66 books: 39 of which are in the Old Testament, 27 in the New Testament. Note that the word “Old” has 3 letters and “Testament” 9 letters, and we have 39! “New” has 3 letters, “Testament” 9 letters, 3 X 9 = 27! The Old Testament was written in Hebrew and Aramaic, while the New Testament was in Greek language. These languages were spoken by less than 1% of the population of the world. No wonder we need a good translation to a language we can understand. Over 40 authors drawn from different generations spanning a period of over 1600 years were used of God to write the BIBLE. Though their occupation, education and social classes were divergent, there is wonderful unity that proves the Bible’s inspiration by the Holy Spirit. Its versatility is remarkable as it meets the needs of all people, irrespective of race, age, culture or peculiar characteristics. The BIBLE is indispensable for all men today. No man’s education is complete if he is ignorant of the revealed truth in the BIBLE. All the knowledge from all other books is only profitable till death; the knowledge received from the BIBLE is profitable in life, at death, after death, for all eternity.

2. THE BIBLE: THE INFALLIBLE WORD OF GOD
Psalm 119:160; John 17:17; Psalm 19:9,10.

All the products of the minds of men contain some errors which are discovered and corrected by others after them. Fallen man cannot produce infallible and perfect truth because he is imperfect. The truth revealed in the BIBLE has been given by God Himself; the writers were only His penmen, writing under the inspiration of His Spirit. Uninformed men, limited in knowledge, have tried to find errors in God’s Word but they have always been proved wrong by those who know more than they do. God’s revelation of man - man’s state and need, his nature and depravity, his life and destiny, his deeds and accountability - is reliable and infallible. The records of history and prophecy revealed in God’s Word are truthful and without error. Being infallible, the BIBLE is trustworthy. It is unfailing in its power and influence. It is light to our feet, food for the soul, medicine to our spirit and personality. It is given to us as a mirror, as a sword, as refining fire, as a hammer, as water to cleanse, as seed to sow and it is God’s power to re-create new life in us. It is God’s will and testament for all men in all ages, revealing God’s plan of salvation. This is God’s message of eternal salvation to all who believe in Christ and of eternal damnation to those who rebel against the revealed way of salvation.

3. THE BELIEVERS: INFLUENTIAL WITNESSES FOR GOD
Matthew 9:35-38; John 4:34-38; Jeremiah 5:24; 8:20-22.

God has given us His inspired, infallible Word. We are to read, receive and believe. The written Word reveals the living Word (John 1:1-5,11-17). His Name is Jesus, He is Saviour, Redeemer and Lord. He is the Ambassador of the Almighty; Burden-Bearer of the Believer; Centre of Civilization; Conqueror in the Christian; Door to Deliverance; Emmanuel from all Eternity; Foundation of our Faith; Gateway to Glory; Highway to Heaven; Image of the Invisible; Justifier of the Judged; Key into the Kingdom; Light of Life; Manifestation of Majesty; Need of the Nations; Overcomer for the Oppressed; Prince of Peace; Qualifier of the Unqualified; Road to Redemption; Saviour of the Sinner; Truth for all Times; Upholder of the Universe; Victor of the Vanquished; Wonder to the World; ‘Xpression’ of the Inexpressible; Yearning of our Years; Zest for our Zenith.

For salvation and life that is worth living, renewed life here and rewardable life hereafter, He is all you need. Turn away from sin and turn to the Saviour. Repent of your sins and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ who died for you and rose again. Saved, you become a new creation, a child of God, a shining light, influential salt, obedient son or daughter and a witness for God. You become part of the CHURCH, His Church. His CHURCH is the assembly of Converted Humans Unashamedly Reflecting Christ’s Holiness.

And the Lord has called us to actively exert a saving influence on people around us. The sight of the ignorant stirs compassion in us. Be a witness; let your light shine; let the world around you hear His voice. This is harvest time; join the reapers in the ripened harvest field. The CHURCH is Commissioned Harvesters Untiringly Reaching Community Households.

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Congregational Song:


THY WORD HAVE I HID IN MY HEART

1. Thy  Word is a lamp to my feet,
A light to my path alway;
To guide and to save me from sin,
And show me the heavenly way.

Thy  word have I hid in my  heart,,
That I might not sin against Thee,,
That I might not sin, that I might not sin
Thy word have I hid in my heart.

2. Forever, O Lord, is Thy word
Established and fixed on high;
Thy faithfulness unto all men
Abideth forever nigh.

3. At morning, at noon and at night
I ever will give Thee praise;
For Thou art my portion,O Lord,
And shall be through all my days!

4. Thro’ Him whom Thy Word hath foretold,
The Saviour and Morning Star,
Salvation and peace have been bro’t
       To those who have strayed afar.
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@emma2002

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mabell:

@Earside & Kulneoshob,

Helping the poor and orphanage is no big deal

Over and over people have talked about what some churches do to the needy in the society

I for one have given instances to that effect so it's nothing new

All you listed and more have being done and are being done by some churches

why not transfer your aggression to politicians

@Kunleoshob,

You are known for your unbelief, so no need to bother about you now

@^^^

Hmm you mean to fraternise with the politicians like this . . .

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Sweetnecta:

@Seyibrown; is the new testament verse 'suffer not little children' correct, coming from jesus?

seyibrown:

Matthew 19:13-15 (King James Version)

13Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.

14But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

15And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence.

and

Mark 10:13-15 (King James Version)

13And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them.

14But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

15Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.


and

Luke 18:15-17 (King James Version)

15And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them.

16But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

17Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

None of these accounts say 'suffer not little children', and I do not understand what the context of your question is!

However, I can explain that Jesus was telling the disciples to 'suffer the little children' as in 'allow the little children';

'forbid them not' as follows in the scripture shows that he clearly means 'not to stop them'.

So Jesus was saying ' allow the little children to come to me', 'do not stop the little children from coming to me'.

The remainder of that conversation is saying that you had to come to Jesus with 'a clean unbiased mind' like children;

believing, accepting and trusting.

I will be happy to shed more light on your 'suffer not little children' quote if you point me to the exact verse where Jesus said so,

in case you were referring to scripture other than I quoted above.

How body, family and work?

@Sweetnecta/seyibrown

How can the verb longsufferring seen and read in numerous contexts in the Bible be simply explained with a succinct reply

It is common knowledge in the African culture that children arent put up with in adults' company

Per adventure, if at all, they are present, it will be a case of better seen and not heard.

They are hushed (i.e. caused to be quiet or not talk)

It was no different in the Jewish culture and Jesus' time

The verb "suffer" is a derivative of "Long suffering"

and "Long suffering" is an extension of "suffer"

Jeremiah 15:15 is the only verse in the bible privileged to twin both words in a statement.

In the context which they are used "suffer"and "Long sufferring"are remarkable and noteworthy words.

The following few but not exhausted verses makes this obvious and helps substantiate this too

Exodus 34:6 KJV
And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed,

The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,

Numbers 14:18 KJV
The LORD [is] longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression,

and by no means clearing [the guilty], visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation].

Judges 16:26 KJV
And Samson said unto the lad that held him by the hand,

Suffer me that I may feel the pillars whereupon the house standeth, that I may lean upon them

Jeremiah 15:15 KJV
O LORD, thou knowest: remember me, and visit me, and revenge me of my persecutors; take me not away in thy longsuffering: know that for thy sake I have suffered rebuke

Matthew 11:12 KJV
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Luke 18:16 KJV
But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Romans 9:22 KJV
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

Galatians 5:22 KJV
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Ephesians 4:2[/u]KJV
With all lowliness and meekness, with [u]longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

1 Peter 3:20 KJV
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

2 Peter 3:9 KJV
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward,

not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

2 Peter 3:15 KJV
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;

even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

Well 100% with Seyibrown

Luke 18:16 KJV
But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

The use of suffer in Luke 18:16 above, is a glutton for any of the following rendering below:

- "Tolerate little children to come to me, forbid them not: for such is the kingdom of God"

- "Allow little children to come to me, forbid them not: for such is the kingdom of God"

- "Accomodate little children to come to me, forbid them not: for such is the kingdom of God"

- "Endure little children to come to me, forbid them not: for such is the kingdom of God"

- "Put up with little children to come to me, forbid them not: for such is the kingdom of God"

- "Accept little children to come to me, forbid them not: for such is the kingdom of God"

- "Stand for little children to come to me, forbid them not: for such is the kingdom of God"

- "Bear little children to come to me, forbid them not: for such is the kingdom of God"

- "Stomach little children to come to me, forbid them not: for such is the kingdom of God"

This is essentially what the LORD God is doing, He is longsufferring in silence and abundant in mercies

He is putting up with our caprice, stomaching our blunders, tolerating the insolence, accomodating our whims, enduring the slurs etc

not due to weakness but because  He is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

nuclearboy:
@e36991:

MASTER!!!!!!    You are back on NL? ?

@nuclearboy

It takes one to know one, my fellow lord

Took a cue from InesQor but was in the neighbourhood so decided to do a pit stop

LoveKing:

@nuclearboy

You always stand tall among all like an Iroko tree. Even when the wind blows, you never shake because your foundation is solid.

Nuclearboy. Okunrin meta fun ara ee. Nuclearboy holds no prisoners. He has them for breakfast

kvolander:

I heard this story when I was in UNIBEN some years ago. It's true. BTW, I'm not a winners chapel member.

I will strongly advise those of you judging others to stop it right now.

When you judge people, you are taking the position of the ALMIGHTY GOD and you can be sure that you're incuring God's wrath because He's a jealous God.

BE WARNED.

@kvolander

Who hasnt heard that yarn before, huh?

Its in the public domain for scrutiny how Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Richard Branson or local bred Aliko Dangote got their wealth

How did he get his?

"A slave is not greater than  his master . . ."

And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air [have] nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay [his] head

- Luke 9:58 KJV

mabell:

@Earside,
not im not kidding, he was even given an oil rig outside the country as a birthday gift

@e36991,
money is a slave, he controls it
money is not just an help meet

Ec 10:19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things. {maketh, : Heb. maketh glad the life}(KJV)

@mabell

You made guffaw in pidgin  

Ah. "O ma se ooo" - means literally What a pity

The meek shall surely inherit the earth 

". . . he was even given an oil rig outside the country as a birthday gift"? Comedy SMH

". . . money answereth all things"? Really?

When its used up, I wonder how it'll answers all things

Gen 47:15 KJV:

And when money failed in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, all the Egyptians came unto Joseph, and said, Give us bread:

for why should we die in thy presence? for the money faileth.

For your information some school of thought believe its all a glorified ponzi scheme with dividendum benefiting those at the top of the pyramid

mabell:

Bishop Oyedepo is a known giver he is not living off the money of the church.

I’m aware that several years ago after so much sufferings, he learnt the secret of sowing seeds.

He once carried some money and took it to Arch Bishop Benson Idahosa, Idahosa told him to pour the money on the ground and begin on it which he did,

then Idahosa went ahead to prophesy that Bishop Oyedepo will not lack money and that all the days of his life will walk on money and water will be his slave

The covenant university that we have today was as a result of his birthday celebration.

He said rather than have money spent on his birthday celebration, it should be invested in education and he made sure that he sponsors at least one person from each state to school

In one of the teachings, he mentioned that he stopped collecting his allowance years ago.

He said that for each service he attends, he gives an offering of 1million naira so if he attends 3 services in a day, he gives 3 million naira.

Finally, all these he said not just because he wanted to blow his trumpet but because he wanted to kill the notion that he was eating church funds.

He openly declared that he does not feed on church finance, i gathered that he also said for any money to be spent from the church account that it had to go through a lot of processes and signatures and he just does the final signing

@mabell

" . . . sponsors at least one person"? Does he now?

Anything less than one, is zero isnt? So by deduction just one person from each of the states huh?

Also ". . . gives an offering of 1million naira so if he attends 3 services in a day, he gives 3 million naira"?

He doesnt. Must be pounding his chest then, feeling all delighted.

3 milla smackers! What!! The boy done good

What a sacrificial giving from a vulnerable individual. Bet he deserves a national award or a medal

What does Mark 12:41-44 reveals about his and/or such giving then, eh?

Please recognise that a mite is a Roman coin that was worth the least

Mark 12:41-44 KJV:

[41]And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.

[42]And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.

[43]And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them,

Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:

[44]For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

All this whitewashing is repugnant . . .

". . . He openly declared that he does not feed on church finance . . ." Yeah, true, not anymore.

Except out of greed, he really now, doesnt have to feed on church finance.

By the way, if not, off a springboard and from the helping hand of the church, how did he kick start and acquire his wealth then?

PS: Walk on money? Money is a slave?

I wonder who Bill Gates, Warren Buffett or local bred Aliko Dangote went to for prophesy 

Simply,  just as the law of gravity, is no respecter of persons

Money respects no one and responds to all that activate "The principles of Jesus"

Like any other tool, money is a help meet . . . ironically sometimes money fails

Wait until money sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle, then you'll know money is no one's slave

Joagbaje:

Don't quote out of context. Jesus borrowed donkey .

But the for the credit card issue, people hare not taxed for donations, so if they give cash, it is not recorded as donations.

But with the credit card, they won't be taxed .  I hope I didn't get it mixed up.

@Joagbaje

I am not trying to be pedantic here but do you really think Jesus seriously borrowed the donkey?

FYI Luke 19:28-35 KJV puts in plain words who owned the donkey; originally.

[28]And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.

[29]And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples,

[30]Saying, Go ye into the village over against you;

in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither.

[31]And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him?

thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him.

[32]And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them.

[33]And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt?

[34]And they said, The Lord hath need of him.

[35]And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon.

benodic:

@ e36991

so educate me please what is the zenith of a believer. i am all ears.

you can't blame me there as that is exactly the same thing they preach. i.e the holding place theory

what do you think will happen if ken saro wiwa sees Abacha who killed him in the holding place?

don't you think he will like to get even resulting in chaos?

you did say that they are all in the holding place together

this one definitely is not an assumption. it is what i have seen in many  christians that i tried discussing with. i was not referring to you

that is why i said that you are different. i find it difficult to believe these posts have lasted this long

please my dear it is not a boxing match and there is no trophy for the winner.

i could imagine Paul's face if he were to read what you wrote about him.

how can i explain where paul is when you have said that nobody is in heaven yet.

and you went on to say that paul was confused when he saw a man caught up to the 3rd heaven.

that is why i said on a very serious note that you go ahead and ask the holy spirit.

you know the unique thing about the Holy spirit is that once you are a sincere seeker of truth,

it will gradually take you step by step through the various levels of truth and it will be done in such a natural way that you will understand

and fully appreciate each level of truth that is presented before you.  

even better you can try asking paul himself. watch your experience. i am really serious. no jokes

@ benodic

Really hope you subscribe to your own medication of open the mind cue and look at it this way. Check this out

Palatial mansions have gardens. Yeah?

- beautiful, panoramic landscaped and all, an extension of the house, paradise yeah?

Similar to Adam's, before he got booted out into reality

The garden of Eden was a like paradise, a High Commission; an extension of the Kingdom of Heaven

Adam in effect was the governor-general over Earth resident in garden of Eden . . .

Well, the holding place too is an extension of Heaven

The holding place comprises of two camps; namely Hades and Paradise

Paul, no doubt, had an experience, some what, of Paradise

Paradise it was, appreciate it was not heaven.

Now mind you, there is an unbridgeable gulf between Hades and Paradise at this holding place

OK, brief touch base on Ken Saro Wiwa and Abacha . . .

Well certainly, they'll both in the holding place (i.e Hades and/or Paradise)

Which camp or section particularly? I sincerely cant tell for sure

but if Ken Saro Wiwa was in one camp at the holding place and Abacha was in the other camp, there is no way they'll have physical contact

We reliably know that sight and communication happens but physical contact is not possible between the two camps at the holding place

Reckon this is a good place to remind you of John 3:13 and what it states:

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven - John 3:13 KJV

Erm, please dont point Enoch, Elijah or Moses to me after reading that John 3:13 verse. Ouch! No!! Please!!! Dont!

If anyone is going to heaven at all, it'll be for the honeymoon

It cant get any better than that . . .

They'll be returning, coming back, down to earth after the honeymoon

Trust me.

". . . even better you can try asking paul himself. watch your experience. i am really serious. no jokes" Pftt!

This is more better, free, from me for you . Dont give up the day job yet, for a comic career change.

PS: Concerning Paul's hesitancy, here is the proof of the pudding:

I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago,
(whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth)
such an one caught up to the third heaven - 2 Corinthians 12:2 KJV

benodic:

@ e36991

. . . what do you think will happen if ken saro wiwa sees Abacha who killed him in the holding place?

don't you think he will like to get even resulting in chaos? . . .

@benodic

Ah! So even sef, you fit be naija 

If you are familiar with names such as Ken Saro Wiwa and Abacha

then there's a likelihood you sabi naija or somehow have an affiliation with naija

From the onset, I didnt want to presume you have anything to do with naija.

Makes it more interesting . . .

and for the record, far from it been a boxing match or bouting for a trophy

I know you're better than you're feigning (i.e. ". . . what do you think will happen if ken saro wiwa sees Abacha who killed him in the holding place?"

Are you for real. Please pull the other leg 

Excuse the Schwarzenegger moment - be right back . . .

e36991:

@benodic

You arent half puzzling eh? . . .

Did I rile you up asking where Paul is?

benodic:

@ e36991

sure you did not. but it actually sent me into bouts of 

e36991:

I have deliberately been overlooking each of the assumptions you continually make in your postings

benodic:

pray , kindly enlighten me on the assumptions i have been continually making in my postings

e36991:

You should have queried on, ask further what the holding place is etc . . .

benodic:

i thought you have actually answered that. a waiting place as you succinctly put it with both the good and bad in the same place.

e36991:

You didn't, so, you were given the chance, to reveal where Paul presently is, if otherwise, he is not in a holding place

benodic:

you tell me

e36991:

but you opted for a patronised mediocre response tinged with sarcasm. Tut-tut-tut, tut-tut . . .

benodic:

sorry if you saw it that way. i was really serious. no sarcasm or patronizing meant.

because that was really how my quest for these mysteries i am asking you about started.

i also realized that you do not get answers to such serious questions from a book or from what anyone is telling you.

you really have to let go of all pre-conceived notions and ask God directly.

why is it so difficult for Christians to do that? why do Christians feel threatened when they come across someone who does so.

e36991:

Fun? By the looks of it, it seems its you having all the fun.

benodic:

you bet. i am really enjoying myself.

usually i do not bother to have this kind of conversation i am having with you.

i just sensed you were a bit different from the usual run of the mill christians. no offense meant.

@benodic

The christian label assumption for starters - Dont know you that christian is not the zenith of a believer

The JW assumption . . .

The holding place assumption - You finding it incredible that:

"Paul, all the Romans that killed him, together with all the Jews and Romans that crucified Jesus" can be in a holding place together

The assumption that  ". . . both the good and bad in the same place . . ." is not possible

Too many assumptions . . . 

Try questioning to a void (i.e. try asking questions to a dead end and then moving on to another/the next question)

No one is feeling threatened or intimidated. Dont fall for another assumption there.

Your posting are respectfully read with due considerations and thoughtful regard

You show your hand and I'll give as good as I get. Whats wrong with that eh?

I've told where Paul is.

If you beg to differ then volunteer where he is, instead of a wisecrack

benodic:

@ e36991

i am surprised [/b]that you are asking me where Paul is.

[b]According to you he should be in the holding area together with all the Romans that killed him

and also together with all the Jews and Romans that crucified Jesus.

even if i tell you where he is will you believe me?

i will give you a tip. ask the holy spirit in prayer with an open heart and with no preconceived notions.

remember that Jesus said in the bible that the holy spirit will lead us to all truth.

so go ahead and ask the holy spirit. It will reveal the truth about Paul's whereabouts to you if you are ready for it.

have fun in your quest.

@benodic

You arent half puzzling eh? . . .

Did I rile you up asking where Paul is?

I have deliberately been overlooking each of the assumptions you continually make in your postings

You should have queried on, ask further what the holding place is etc . . .

You didn't, so, you were given the chance, to reveal where Paul presently is, if otherwise, he is not in a holding place

but you opted for a patronised mediocre response tinged with sarcasm. Tut-tut-tut, tut-tut . . .

Fun? By the looks of it, it seems its you having all the fun.

benodic:

@ e36991

i am hearing a lot of interesting things from you. so there are no denominations in the kingdom of heaven? interesting.

so back to the topic we were discussing.

now we have arrived at the conclusion which you proffered that in this holding area that everybody is there.

all the souls who have ever stepped their feet on earth and passed on are still in this holding place.

so what i want to ask now is what do you make of the statement that st paul made in 2nd corinthians chapter 2: 2-4.

where he was talking about a man caught up to the 3rd heaven. so how comes someone went to the 3rd heaven

if according to you everybody is in a holding area.

mind you i am taking this example from your christian bible as i do not want bother you with other seemingly unverified sources.

@benodic

Hmm-mm, that is right, everyone is in the holding place, pending and/or awaiting

I have no beef with 2nd Corinthians 12:2-4 . . . except its about paradise

Incidentally Paul was actually befuddled. He couldnt tell whether it was a mental or physical experience?

That's beside the point, so, tell me, where is Paul now?

benodic:

@ e36991

this your answer has made me very curious as to what branch of Christianity you are affiliated to.

this sounds like Jehovah witness doctrine.

are you a Jehovah witness?

@benodic

I know which Vine I am a branch of . . .

Fear not, I am not a JW

besides havent you heard, that there are no denominations in the Kingdom of Heaven?

benodic:

@ e36991

very interesting indeed.

so what you are saying is that from the beginning of time all the people who have come to the earth and have died are all in this holding place?

nobody yet is in hell and nobody yet has entered heaven?

@benodic

Affirmative. Roger nobody yet is in hell and nobody yet has entered heaven.

benodic:

@ e36991

- contents here were snipped -

. . . but towards the end of your last post you started coming closer to what i was expecting.

you read the scriptures, you assimilate it and then you tune in to the holy spirit to make some sense of what you read.

that to me is a very important step.

so finally you gave an answer in your own words. quite a relief.

so a holding place you said. so in this holding place does it hold both the good and bad people in the same place together?

@benodic

Yes, it does hold everyone in the same place together (i.e. a holding place)

benodic:

@ e36991

i did not see the hyperlinks in those quoted verses. i have finally read through them.

sorry it definitely did not answer my questions. this is the funny thing with you Christians.

ask a christian a question , he/she will simply quote verses of the bible and leave you high and dry.

you just simply left me in the state i was as a christian when i was seriously searching for the answers to the mysteries of life

and my pastor was busy telling me that any thing out of the ordinary is the works of the devil. and that ends it.

so i do not think that the bible has all the answers and i do not think that christians has the totality of truth as you claim.

i still believe that the truth lies within you for those bold and courageous enough to venture within and find it for themselves.

i beg to sign out.

@benodic

It is unsettling and not pleasing to read you feel this way and more . . .

benodic:
 

. . . can you give me answers in your own words for a change? make your answers clear and easily understandable . . .

You dont seem to realise that you've made a lot of preassumptions

For example, the "christian(s)" labelling/tagging is the zenith for a believer(s), taken for granted that ghosts marry and have families etc

The former is understandable, so excusable and can let roll but the latter, seriously, is preposterous, outlandish and ludicrous.

These questions you ask cant be rushed. Timing matters. Slow and steady at the beginning wins a marathon race . . .

Rephrasing ". . . The Truth lies within those that were bold & courageous enough to venture within and unlock the door to allow the Truth in . . ."

and adding that the truth is birthed with deep breaths, timed deep pushes and a role-playing midwife

You're right that the bible has not all the answers

The bible is a book communicating information about the author or owner and the owner's invention(s)

In essence it is similar to a manual with information about a manufacturer and the manufacturer's particular product

The manual aims to capture and reveal the mind of the manufacturer, the FAQs, the instructions/use, facts or figures of the products etc

The manual is not exhaustible with information because not all that is about the manufacturer

or was in the mind of the manufacturer concerning the invention will be fully documented

It is impossible for a manual to have all answers about the manufacturer or the manufacturer's invention . . .

You're also spot on that christians do not have the totality of truth as some of them claim

Here or this is where something called the Spirit of Truth comes into play

Are you familar with that phrase (i.e. Spirit of Truth) at all? . . .

Remember spirits require a body in order to operate legally on earth? Erh?

Seems I volunteered that info earlier or before? Hmm?

There is so much more I'll like to share with you but not sure you have the time and/or can bear it now.

Compounded questions cant be satisfactorily answered that easily . . .

I'll hold back in flashing verses at you for now but will share this much since it seems to be a burning quest to know

Simply put, the dead are not trapped or locked in dust but rather are passed on to a holding place waiting.

PS: This is a personal thing man, you will have to work out your salvation without anyone leaving you hung and dry

benodic:

@ e36991

. . . so from what you have said so far ghost are products of disembodied spirits especially demons, evil spirits etc.

so what produces the haunting phenomenon.

where people see someone who has died before coming back to the place it used to live and tormenting the people there.

and also the phenomenon of someone who has died appearing another place and even having a new family.

How is that possible?

and also you did not answer my last question concerning the meaning of the scripture you quoted from daniels.

people who are dead are they holed up in the dust of the earth waiting for the last judgement? 

please if there is any verse you are quoting from the bible try to write it out as i do not have the christian bible to look it up.

thanks

@Benodic

" . . . I do not have a christian bible to look it up "

C'mon now, what's all that about. Uh?

What a cheap cop out. What a lame excuse. . . .

The referenced chapter and verses (i.e. 1 Samuel Chapter 28, Matthew 8:28-32 and Mark 5:2-13) were all hyperlinked . . .

All you needed to do, was to simply hover on them and click to pop out the chapter or verse contents for your reading delight

Go over my previous post (i.e. post #25) all over again, to know why people see someone who had died before come back to where they used to be

Re-read post #25, read the hyperlinked chapter and read the hyperlinked verse references.

benodic:

. . . the phenomenon of someone who has died appearing another place and even having a new family.

How is that possible? . . .

Hmmmm. Benodic! 

I salute and hail you

It is possible in the fertile and charitable imaginations of whoever is supposing that

Anyway slow and steadily. Dont force it yet . . .

Its not yet time to get feet wet because if or when the boat is getting pushed out, that's what is going to happen

benodic:

@ e36991

it is refreshing to jist with a christian with a sense of humour.  so in terms of ghosts you say  they are different from the dead.

so pray what is your take on ghost[/b]s. what do you understand by the word ghost and [b]how are they different from the dead?

so from the passage you just read, taking it literalily does it then mean that those that are dead are trapped in the dust of the earth awaiting the judgement day? 

expantiate please

@benodic

On a sober note . . .

Roger. Affirmative - Yes, ghosts are different from the dead

Ghosts are disembodied spirits . . .

Sure you'll agree that, everyone requires a body to legally have residency on Earth.

Christ is no exception . . . I'll leave the rest for you to fill in the gap.

Yeah, whatever spirit residing on Earth, short of a body is an immigrant operating illegally

Ghosts are unearthly familiar spirits (i.e. demons, fallen angels or what not) masquerading

and pretending to be what they are not (i.e.  make believe they are dead family members, dead relatives etc)

This reference (i.e. Luke 8:26-33 KJV) could lead to one of those ah-ha moments

^[27] When Jesus stepped ashore, he was met by a demon-possessed man from the town. For a long time this man had not worn clothes or lived in a house, but had lived in the tombs.

^[28] When he saw Jesus, he cried out and fell at his feet, shouting at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, don’t torture me!”

^[29] For Jesus had commanded the evil  spirit to come out of the man. Many times it had seized him, and though he was chained hand and foot and kept under guard, he had broken his chains and had been driven by the demon into solitary places.

^[30] Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”

“Legion,” he replied, because many demons had gone into him.

^[31] And they begged him repeatedly not to order them to go into the Abyss.

^[32] A large herd of pigs was feeding there on the hillside. The demons begged Jesus to let them go into them, and he gave them permission.

^[33] When the demons came out of the man, they went into the pigs, and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and was drowned.

[url=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Samuel%2028&version=NIV]1 Samuel Chapter 28[/url] is a good read too.

[url=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%208:28-32&version=NIV]Matthew 8:28-32[/url] and [url=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%205:2-13&version=NIV]Mark 5:2-13[/url] though a re-hash of Luke 8:26-33 wouldn't hurt to read

Claudia Aderotimi aka Claudiyah Carmell aka Carmella London:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP2N5qNjgV0&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

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Half naija half barbados

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You mean this

Sorry only messing about 

https://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01248/SNN1005BAT2--682_1248401a.jpg
^{Shapely ,  but tragic Claudia Aderotimi believed she needed bigger rear}

. . . Talent scout Tee Ali met the university student - stage name Carmella London - when she filmed a video.

[size=16pt]He said she often wore special padded trousers to give the impression she had a shapelier backside.[/size]

Tee said: "She was a dancer and choreographer.

[size=16pt]She loved to dance and had a drive to be famous.

The problem was she didn't have no butt, and she wanted a butt.

"She went to audition for one video shoot wearing fake booty pants and she got all the attention.

"But when they found out it was fake she didn't get asked back.[/size]

"It's such a shame. She's a victim of all these girls trying to be perfect. She thought if she had a big booty she would have been in better videos and been more famous."

Claudia is thought to have travelled out last November to have a buttocks enlargement op.

She jetted off again with three friends to have top-up injections, which she was given last Monday . . .

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3403090/Brit-wannabe-hip-hop-star-Claudia-Aderotimi-died-after-her-illegal-op-went-tragically-wrong.html

benodic:

@ e36991

i thought you christians has made it perfectly clear that once somebody does not believe in jesus christ such a person is going straight to hell.

so are you saying that nobody is in hell yet? or that people will enter hell after the final judgement?

if so are you saying that souls are hanging somewhere waiting for the final jugement?

and if so where are they hanging waiting for this final judgement.

waiting your response.

e36991:

@benodic

Hades

benodic:

@ e36991

and please kindly enlighten us with where hades is located.

and if souls are really hanging there waiting for the final judgement day how come there are still ghosts hanging around the world.

or is it that the security in hades is lax and some souls can escape and  come to earth to torment people for a while before they are sent back?

@benodic

". . .  ghosts hanging around the world"?   

You humored me and made me guffaw in aramaic

Please do not make the mistake. Ghosts and the dead are separate kettle of fish . . .

Ghosts have zero correlation with the dead except for one who is gullible and easy to take advantage of . . .

Moving on, I'll indulge you on the hades poser and volunteer this reference (i.e. Daniel 12:2)

"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt"
  - Daniel 12:2 KJV

benodic:

@ e36991

i thought you christians has made it perfectly clear that once somebody does not believe in jesus christ such a person is going straight to hell.

so are you saying that nobody is in hell yet? or that people will enter hell after the final judgement?

if so are you saying that souls are hanging somewhere waiting for the final jugement?

and if so where are they hanging waiting for this final judgement.

waiting your response.

@benodic

Hades

benodic:

@ huxley  (m)

if you follow the doctrine of original sin according to Christianity,

due to the sin committed by Adam and Eve everyone is condemned unless you accept Jesus.

so from the christian perspective of course all those people you mentioned babies, infants etc. will go to hell.

from the ECK view point, such souls simple inhabit those bodies for the purpose of having experiences.

such souls simply drop those bodies when they are through with the experience

and can decide to pick up another body to continue their experiences on the long journey back to God. no soul is going to any hell.

@benodic

Whoa, whoa, whoa . . .

Please do not misconstrue death for final judgment

The wages of sin is death (i.e. through the sin of Adam, death entered the system. Through one man, all men die)

God is just . . .

When the time comes He will be perfectly righteous (i.e. do the right thing) in His dealings with foetuses, babies, infants, the brain-damaged etc, etc

Jenwitemi:

Haven't we dealt with this article before and dismissed it as a hoax about a month and a half ago?

@Jenwitemi

It was even up to 2 years way back 

Beats me why peeps cant be bothered to do a Nairaland search first before submitting postings or threads

This one actually is a sattire that was peddled a month or so as Jenwi' rightly said

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=oprah+church&fr=yscpb&vs=nairaland.com

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