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Christianity EtcRe: Were Ruth And Naomi Lesbians? by e36991: 8:34pm On Jan 25, 2011
JeSoul:

Any chance there is a longer video so we can put his quote into context?

I like that he is talking about what people are probably thinking about.

Pastors shouldn't shy
away from controversial topics,

but with the right heart, attitude and direction from the Holy Spirit, do their best to address all issues.

@^^^

Subscribed to that . . .

@LoveKing

No. Ruth and Naomi weren't lesbians . . .

Bishop TD Jakes teaching got twisted by the carnal minded

[size=16pt]Elisha said exactly the same words to Elijah[/size] not once but twice

And Elijah said unto Elisha, Tarry here, I pray thee; for the LORD hath sent me to Bethel.
And Elisha said [unto him, As] the LORD liveth, and [as] thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. So they went down to Bethel.
- 2 Kings 2:2

And Elijah said to him, Elisha, tarry here, I pray you; for the LORD has sent me to Jericho.
And he said, As the LORD lives, and as your soul lives, I will not leave you. So they came to Jericho.
- 2 Kings 2:4

but anyways in color, black and white, here are some excerpts of this particular teaching by Bishop TD Jakes:

[size=18pt][center]Nothing Just Happens[/center][/size]
[center]Bishop T.D. Jakes
[size=16pt]Woman, Thou Art Loosed Conference 2001[/size][/center]

"Three women - Naomi, who is the older woman, and Ruth, who was her daughter-in-law, and Orpah, who was her other daughter-in-law. Three women who's commonality was pain. Pain is a strange company keeper. It brings the oddest people together. There is a secret fraternity that exists amongst those who have been in pain that is mind-boggling. It transcends the color of your skin. It transcends your background. When you have been through certain things, you feel for other people who have been through those things, because you relate to them. I personally don't like to have a whole lot to do with people who have not been through pain. It's nothing against them, I'm not jealous of them, I just can't relate to them. I can't relate to them and I am sure that they will not be able to relate to me. The parts of me that I need to have known, that I need to have touched, that I need to have fellowship, are tied up not in the successes of my life, but in the struggles of my life. For God has done more through my struggles. He's done more through my struggles then he's ever done through my successes. And if you look carefully at my successes, my successes are made out of the ingredients of my struggles. And you can never know my successes until you understand my struggles, because my struggles are the pathway that led me into my success. Are you hearing what I'm saying?

And so if you are going to have fellowship with somebody, you have to choose your friends and make sure that they have had something to die in their life. If you've never had anything to die in your life, you have the kind of optimism that is annoying. If you've never had anything to go wrong in your life, I don't like to hear you preach, it aggravates me, it gets on my nerves because your preaching has not been balanced by failure. If you've never had anything to die in your life don't counsel me, because you really don't understand me because you don't know why I am like I am until you've been where I've been. If you've never had anything to die in your life don't sit there and tell me be a man, take it, don't cry. You don't know what I'm taking, you don't know what I'm enduring, you don't understand. Just because you read some books and took a psych class doesn't mean that you are ready to deal with the issues of my life. There is something about going through death and loss and pain and misfortune and adversity. There is something about going through things that don't seem fair to you. That once you go through them you need to make sense of the madness in your life since you can't change what happened and you can't alter what you've been through, at least you need to be able to think that there's some greater good that's going to come out of it.

. . . Ruth, on the other hand, coming to the crossroads, she looks at Orpah who left.
[size=18pt]

[color=#990099]Ruth turns to Naomi and says, "as the Lord liveth I shall not leave thee"[/color]. She makes a statement to this woman that sounds somewhere in between poetry, intimacy and borders on lesbianism.

People don't even know how to explain what Ruth said to Naomi. It makes them uncomfortable, they are afraid to talk about it, they don't want to teach on it. The same thing with David and Jonathan.
[/size]

[color=#FF0000][size=18pt]Whenever same sex relationships get too close people don't even know what to say because people are so carnal they think the only thing that can tie you to somebody is flesh to flesh. Understand that Naomi was an older woman. She was old enough to be Ruth's mama. She's not attracted to Naomi's flesh[/size][/color]

[b][size=18pt]Some kind of way Naomi's spirit has gotten in her spirit. There is something that happens to you occasionally where you can meet somebody and you sense, you sense, you sense that your destiny… oh God, oh God… your destiny is tied to that person. Do you understand? Do you understand what's happening to us? Do you understand that we are spending our lives together? Has it ever crossed your mind that we are spending our lives together? That we will die after this, and that we have been joined together and we are spending our life together? Have you ever realized you can spend your life anywhere with anybody doing anything, but something happens inside of you where you sense that your destiny is tied to a ministry or to a vision and you decide to spend your life . . .

People keep talking about spending their money. That ain't nothing. I can spend my money and live in Chicago. But when I spend my life with you, that's all I have. I don't think that hits you. We are spending our lives together. You will not be able to write your story and leave me out. We are spending our lives together. There is no greater bond possible. Occasionally in scriptures in the whole bible you see it happening with people who are not even blood related spend their lives together in the most intimate connection possible. And theologians and scholars and preachers stumble about it because they don't know how to talk about it because they don't understand the power being joined together. How can we explain what made Elisha leave his natural mother and father and run after Elijah to wait on him? To clean his clothes, to pour water on his hair, to set up his tent, but some kind of way Elisha sensed that his destiny was tied to Elijah. [/b]
[/size]

How can we explain Timothy, who walks away from everything that he owns to hang out at the outside window of a jail cell as an old man prepares to be beheaded? He peeks in the window handing him books and blankets ministering to him. The young man understood, I'll never be who I was meant to be without you in my life. Do you hear what I'm saying?

There is something, there is something about the way you talk it feeds me. It's something about the way you speak that changes me. There is something about your spirit that motivates me and I'll never be completed without you and I didn't meet you by accident. I didn't stumble up and meet you. This didn't just happen. There is a reason that I'm in this place. I'm so sick of talking to people who think that everything just happens. I guess I'll go to church. I guess I'll get saved. I guess I'll move to Chicago. I guess I'll move to Dallas. That's not how it is. The steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord. Your steps were ordered. If you hadn't got the phone call that you got when you got like you got it, you wouldn't even be here right now. If you hadn't made the turn that you made yesterday you wouldn't experience what you are experiencing today. God has been behind the curtain like a puppet master pulling strings in your life. It's not that you're smart, it's not that you're great; it's not that you're holy; it's not that you're perfect; it's not that you're good; but God winded you up; pointed you in the right direction; released you into your destiny; and you are here and you can't get away. Slap somebody and tell them nothing just happens. Can I talk to you a few more minutes?

This means, this means, this means that I'm up under the banner of his will. I'm up under the banner of his will. Even in the midst of death, I'm up under the banner of his will. Even in the midst of pain, I'm up under the banner of his will. Even in the midst of separation and disappointment I'm up under the banner of his will. Can I take you to the next level?

Jonah was sent to Nineveh, went to Tarsus, headed for Tarsus not obeying God, got thrown off the boat into the belly of the fish, swallowed up for three days. Even though God told him to go to Nineveh, and he didn't go, he was still in the will. I'm not sure you can handle this. He went the wrong way and he was still in the will. They threw him off the boat he was still in the will. I'll prove to you he was in the will. It just happened to be a big fish. See it just happened to be a big fish swimming beside the big boat so that when men dumped him over, the fish just happened to… this is too strong. You can't take this. The fish carried him down to the bottom of the mountains with seaweed wrapped around its neck. He's thousands of feet below sea level and God sustained him. Sustained him not one day, not two days, not four days, but three days. Nothing just happens.

On the third day… on the third day the backslidden, rebellious, reprobate, disconnected, disjointed preacher comes up out of the water, and thousands of years later Christ says even as Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days so shall the son of man be in the grave. He had to get up when he got up, and he had to go down when he went down because nothing just happens. Oh God. Your mistakes were in his will. Your trouble was in his will. Your pain was in his will. I don't care what you went through. David said if I make my bed in hell, thou art there. If I take the wings of the morning and ascend unto the uttermost parts of the earth God is still there. He was with you in the middle of your trouble. He was with you in the middle of your pain. That's why Paul said, I've learned whatever state I'm in, therewith to be content. I know how to be rich. I know how to be poor. I know how to be free. I know how to be bound. You ought to shout. I don't care where you are because nothing just happens! And no devil in hell has ever been able to abort the purpose of God not once. And yes, God gave you a human will, and you are a free moral agent; but if you think that your human will is strong enough to change his divine will you are tripping. You are out of your mind. God is God.

The reason we worship him as God is because he is the CEO. He is in charge. He runs the universe. And when God gets ready to make you, and when God gets ready to break you, and when God gets ready to take you, he has never been without the power to make you yield to his will. He's never, not one moment or time, not been able to orchestrate your affairs and anointing in your life. Think about the most damnable thing that ever happened and shout 'nothing'! Think about the most embarrassing thing that ever happened in your life and shout 'nothing'! Think about the most impoverished, financially depleting thing that ever happened in your life and shout 'nothing'! Think about the worse scandal that you ever went through in your life and shout 'nothing'! Think about people who loved you and walked out and left you and shout 'nothing'! Think about betrayal on the highest level of your life and shout 'nothing'! Think about the struggle going on on your job right now and shout 'nothing'! Think about the attitude of your kinfolks and your family members and shout 'nothing'! Think about how your boss is treating you on your job and shout 'nothing'! Think about that disagreement between you and your children and shout 'nothing'! Think about your past life of sin, your whoremongering, your inappropriateness, your attitude, your dysfunction and shout 'nothing'! Shout 'nothing'!
Christianity EtcPastor Vacates Church Because He Is Too Famous by e36991(op): 8:30pm On Jan 24, 2011
By, Eric Marrapodi, CNN

He pastored a 4,000-member church in California. He was a sought-after speaker at major conferences, wrote two best-sellers and launched a DVD teaching series.

[size=16pt]Then he abruptly resigned and left the country.

But in Francis Chan’s unexpected journey there apparently is no hidden scandal, no money trail, and no ‘other’ woman.[/size]

“I just want to disappear for a while,” he said in late September as he prepared to leave
Cornerstone Community Church in Simi Valley, California for an undisclosed location in Asia.

[size=18pt]Before selling his house and packing up his wife and three children[/size], Chan was becoming “Christian famous” in Evangelical circles.

[size=16pt]"Even in my own church I heard the words, ‘Francis Chan’ more than I heard the words, ‘Holy Spirit’,” he said

That was a big part of the reason he walked away at the peak of his professional career.

I think there has been too much emphasis on me.

I want to be used by God, but I think we have this desire to make heroes out of people rather than following God and the Holy Spirit.”[/size]

He quotes the apostle Paul, who told his followers “I didn’t die for you.”

[size=16pt]In his world of big conference crowds, multiple services each week, and instant access to social media, the notion of pastoral care had begun to change.

His fame was straining his work as a pastor.[/size]

“When there is a large constituency, there’s a lot of voices,” he said. “It makes you arrogant or it makes you want to shoot yourself. When thousands of people tell you what they think, how can I be quick to listen, like the Bible says? I don’t want to be a jerk and tune everyone out. At the same time you, can’t love every single person and answer them.”

[size=16pt]So after lots of prayer and soul searching, Chan decided it was best to leave the church, country, and Internet behind to focus on serving others one-on-one.[/size]

Chan’s rise in popularity began with the founding of Cornerstone Community Church in 1994.

Like many independent churches in the United States, Cornerstone is not tied to a larger denomination.


[size=16pt]Chan reluctantly calls it an Evangelical church, but says “titles on churches don’t always match up. You walk in with assumptions.”[/size]

His first book, Crazy Love: Overwhelmed by a Relentless God, has hit the New York Times best seller list since he left for Asia. His second, The Forgotten God: Reversing our Tragic Neglect of the Holy Spirit, offers a glimpse into why he left.

[size=16pt]“I was giving a lot of people just five minutes here and five minutes there,” he said in an interview, describing the book’s central theme.

“I need to get better at just saying no to people and no to the crowds . . . Jesus worked a lot with individuals and his twelve [disciples].”[/size]

Two DVDs in his four-part teaching series, Basic, have been released, with more to come in March.

In Basic: Fear God, Chan says he doesn’t think we fear God enough. He appears starkly lit in front of a black backdrop to hammer home his metaphor, in which a woman tied to a bed watches as water slowly fills the bedroom. The water level rises until she is completely submersed and struggling to get free. Only then does panic set in.

If we were to meet God in person, Chan said, “I think the first thing He would say is you don’t take me seriously. You have no idea how to fear me.”

It is just one way Christians miss the point of the messages in the Bible, he said, a notion he aims to correct in the DVD series.

[size=16pt]The New Testament, for instance, calls for a much greater commitment than many churches reveal when wooing new converts, he said.

“We almost simplify it. We won’t tell people how painful it could be. It’s almost like joining the Marines and saying how fun it will be.

Yet Jesus says, I’m worth it, I promise you I’m worth it.”

Chan was not drawing a salary at Cornerstone before he left, and never made more than $36,000 a year[/size].

“I wanted to make sure I wasn’t doing things just because I was paid to,” he said.

Mike Steinwender, the current administrative pastor from the church, told CNN in an email that “There were/are no budget or financial health issues that led to Mr. Chan leaving.”

Chan’s departure from his 9 to 5 gig to pursue his passion is something many cubicle dwellers can only dream about. But not every pastor agrees with his choice.


Joshua Harris is the Senior Pastor at Covenant Life Church in Gaithersburg, Maryland
. He skyrocketed to fame in Christian circles with his book in the 1990’s I Kissed Dating Goodbye, which influenced many young Christians to do the same.

Harris and Chan have spoken at length about Chan’s decision
, and [size=16pt]Harris knows first hand about the rigors of the being “Christian famous.”

“Gifted people often become more the focus than the gospel,” Harris said. “But you can’t build a church around a personality.

You get up and you preach a sermon and people walk away thinking what a great guy – and that’s a failure as a pastor.

Our job is to proclaim Christ.

He said he understood Chan felt God was leading him in a new direction. [/size]

But he hopes there won’t be an exodus of pastors from their pulpits.

“There’s a tendency to idolize one person’s choices. We have to say, ‘you know what, there are a lot of ways to see what faithfulness [to God’s calling] looks like.’ Not every pastor of a big church should leave.”

[size=16pt]Chan has been traveling across Asia, according to his website, where his wife Lisa has posted periodic updates.

She wrote that the family has been to India and Thailand, visiting small churches and missionaries. In an October update, she mentioned Chan was preaching again: “Francis spoke a great message of encouragement to this little body of Christ hidden away in a slum in India
[/size] . 100 years from now we will be worshiping together. We will look each other in the eye and KNOW that it was worth it.”

Chan plans to return to the states in January. He is already scheduled to appear at the Passion Conference in Atlanta, which has drawn a crowd of more than 20,000 in the past, and do a stint in the chapel at the NBA All-Star game in February.

http://exministries./2010/12/23/is-this-a-wake-up-call-for-the-church-from-pastor-francis-chan/
Christianity EtcRe: Help Me Calculate My Tithe by e36991: 11:28pm On Jan 23, 2011
Christianity EtcRe: Mother Theresa As A Great Christian / Catholic Example :: Fable Or Fact? by e36991: 8:22pm On Jan 18, 2011
Dulcet7:

Here is an article I found about the Mother Theresa you may have never heard about.

Please respect the thread and keep insults out of the way.

If you disagree with anything here just provide your reasons and if possible, reference or evidence for it.


- contents here were snipped -


Journalists have estimated the Missionaries of Charity receive as much as US$100 million a year, although no accounts are published.

Some maintain that the money is transferred to the Istituto per Opere Religiosi (the Vatican Bank),

where it is diverted into non-Christian countries for "missionary work" – more nunneries and convents.

A 1991 audit of the UK operation revealed that only 7% of the total income of about US$2.6 million went into charity work.

The rest was remitted to the Vatican Bank.


- contents here were snipped -
Dulcet7:

"Three of Mother Teresa's teachings that are fundamental to her religious congregation are all the more dangerous because they are believed so sincerely by her sisters.

Most basic is the belief that as long as a sister obeys she is doing God's will.

Another is the belief that the sisters have leverage over God by choosing to suffer. Their suffering makes God very happy. He then dispenses more graces to humanity.

The third is the belief that any attachment to human beings, even the poor being served, supposedly interferes with love of God and must be vigilantly avoided or immediately uprooted.

The efforts to prevent any attachments cause continual chaos and confusion, movement and change in the congregation.

Mother Teresa did not invent these beliefs - they were prevalent in religious congregations before Vatican II - but she did everything in her power (which was great) to enforce them."

– Susan Shields, former sister with Missionaries of Charity.
shocked shocked shocked  grin
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Denounces The Divinity Of Jesus Christ by e36991: 1:36am On Jan 15, 2011
babaearly - he quoted this:

"God gives us his word to make us his word because we were born his words

Your destiny in the realm of the spirit was to be the word of God, because you were born by the word of God
"
babaearly:

He actually said those things in the video

and later he referred to the word as a guide, which one i go believe?
@babaearly

Haba! Erekere

The below is what the OP sensationally posted

iyke619:

Pastor Chris Oyahkilome is at it again.

In a statement reported by a christian website Discerning the World Discernment for Africa he was quoted as saying: "Jesus is NOT Gods Word anymore, You are!!".

This statement is unbiblical,

- other contents have been snipped -
The OP's contention was Pastor Chris was quoted as saying: "Jesus is NOT Gods Word anymore, You are!!".

Now at what mark in the video did he say this (i.e. where or when in the video did Pastor Chris say "Jesus is NOT Gods Word anymore, You are!!"wink
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Denounces The Divinity Of Jesus Christ by e36991: 11:44pm On Jan 14, 2011
e36991:

@iyke619

. . . so in which context did he say this . . .

Just as you've provided for Copeland & Billy Graham, where are the transcripts, texts video etc on Pastor Chris to surround or corroborate this
OLAADEGBU:

The transcript is in the link suggested below.  Do you agree with it?

http://www.christembassy.org/en/mediaministry/?p=546
@OLAADEGBU




« God Can Fix Anything!
There Is Hope In Christ! »

[size=16pt]You Are God’s Word![/size]

“God gives us His Words for the purpose of making us His
word . . .” – Pastor Chris Oyakhilome.


Do you know you are God’s Word?  When you were born again, you
were born by the Word of God. This means your destiny in the realm of
the Spirit is to be the Word of God because you were born by the word
of God. It means your nature is of the Word and your character is of
the word. Glory to God!

In this snippet from The Entrance of Thy Words – a teaching by the
man of God, Pastor Chris – learn more on your true identity as God’s Word…

[flash=240,190]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsr9u53rCAo?fs=1&hl[/flash]

Mountains and hills refer to authority (Isaiah 55vs 12) and they shall
break forth before you; the trees which are people shall clap their
hands as you pass by! Isn’t this awesome?  That’s what God’s word
says about you. Are you ready to accept it and function therein?

God bless you!




"E ma fa nkan ti osi ooo" literally meaning "No OTT please"

There is nothing to agree or disagree with . . .

I said in post #6 and #13

(i.e. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-582503.0.html#msg7497469 and https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-582503.0.html#msg7497966)

. . . the proof of the pudding is in the watching eating

No case to answer because allegation is unfounding

Please help out if you can 'cos I cant seem to find anywhere in the transcript or video where Pastor Chris Denounced The Divinity Of Jesus Christ
Christianity EtcRe: Is Pastor Chris Oyakhilomen Really True Man Of God? by e36991: 10:24pm On Jan 10, 2011
nuclearboy:

I think what would be of import right now in all indivdidual lives would be to each strive and become men of God ourselves

so all can come before the Lord directly without the need for intermediary and truly worship God in spirit and truth
@^^^

"Oro lo so yen ooo" literally meaning Word up! True talk, true talk
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Denounces The Divinity Of Jesus Christ by e36991: 1:02am On Jan 10, 2011
[flash=240,190]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsr9u53rCAo?fs=1&hl[/flash]

. . . the proof of the pudding is in the watching eating

No case to answer because allegation is unfounding

PS:@Newmi. Thanks much obliged
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Denounces The Divinity Of Jesus Christ by e36991: 12:11am On Jan 10, 2011
newmi:

@e36991
What is wrong with these ignorant baboons who have problem turning off the wrap of the banana like this one. Pastor Chris is not afraid to make statements that renders the theology of many inconsequential so even if such was said the question is what is the context in which it was said, you don't pick a statement in isolation and make a handout of it, its only fools that do such because if there is anybody who has brought clarity to the understanding of the person of Jesus and His divinity is Pastor Chris
Perhaps you should listen to these tapes:
1. The Person of Jesus
2. Life in Christ the new superman
3. The wonderful name of Jesus
4. Using the name of Jesus
5. The Lordship of Jesus
6. Why in the world did Jesus come

When you are through then you won't be quick to openly display your pathetic foolishness necessitated by a chronic state of ignorance to larger audience. BUSH BOY, PEOPLE WEY DON STUDY DEY TALK YOUSELF DEY COME OPEN YA MOUTHundecided undecided undecided undecided
@newmi

Why the above has my ID and is supposedly addressed to me, baffles me my dear sire

I suggest you go over my postings once more with the intention of making necessary amends after a careful and slowly re-reading
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Denounces The Divinity Of Jesus Christ by e36991: 11:13pm On Jan 09, 2011
iyke619:

Please see the source at:  http://www.discerningtheworld.com/2010/03/25/chris-oyakhilome-jesus-is-not-gods-word-anymore-you-are/

By saying that Jesus is nt the Word of God any more, Oyaks means that Jesus is no longer God. Because John 1:1 says:"In the beginning was the Word,the Word was with God and the Word was God". So being the Word of God,Jesus is one with God, but since fake Oyaks says Jesus is no longer the Word of God, it means that Jesus is no longer God too. And since he says you are the word, it means men are God, just exactly what freemasonry and luciferians preach. He thinks he is too smart, but he did nt know when this one fell out, and now we've caught him. Am waiting for his defender's excuse, !
@iyke619

You're either paranoid or clutching at straws - Sorry mate no offeinse

I attentively watched the video the first time

and for the benefit of doubt watched it a second time

and must admit no where in the video did Pastor Chris say "Jesus is NOT God's Word anymore, You are!!"

You either fantasised, imagined it, dreamt it, wished he said it etc

There was nothing out of the ordinary in what Pastor Chris said

In fact Romans 8:17 says "Now if we are children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ"

I am not saying Pastor Chris is squeaky clean or the greatest thing since sliced bread . . .
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Denounces The Divinity Of Jesus Christ by e36991: 10:59pm On Jan 09, 2011
Joagbaje:

@Op
You seem not to have any work to do than trying to ridicule Gods ministers. How would any minister or pastor chris deny the divinity of Jesus?

Can you provide the link or a title of message?
@Joagbaje

The link is right above you . . .

"Oro buruku toun terin" literally means "Couldnt help but just chuckle"
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Denounces The Divinity Of Jesus Christ by e36991: 10:13pm On Jan 09, 2011
iyke619:

Pastor Chris Oyahkilome is at it again. In a statement reported by a christian website Discerning the World Discernment for Africa he was quoted as saying: "Jesus is NOT Gods Word anymore, You are!!". This statement is unbiblical, although it is in consonance with the new age teachings of the New age churches, who echo the secret doctrines of freemasonry that denies the divinity of Christ while emphasizing that man is God. Since Freemasonry has attempted so strenuously to claim that they are just a "good ole boy" fraternity that does good works and has a good time, most people will be shocked to learn the bitter truth behind that facade.  Freemasonry certainly isn't "free". It could cost you your soul.

Although they will deny it to you at first, most Masons find out in later degrees that the great lie of Masonry is exactly the same lie Satan is living. Masons think that through masonry one can chisel away layers of oneself, similar to how one creates a beautiful statue out of rough stone.  And they think the end result will be no need for God; because they think the perfect Mason is like God. Pages 50-51 of the Mason handbook makes this quite clear - but not to the initiate. Masons are lied to about everything in the 1st three degrees. Satan and Masonry have the exact same goals. The secret goal of Masonry is to subjugate the world for Masonry, and be like God. see more at http://www.bibleprobe.com/freemasonry.htm.

This goes to show that Oyaks has more to do with freemasonry than christianity since he is preaching their doctrine. Jesus' divinity is eternal. Man is not God but we can be the sons of God when we accept Jesus into our life.Thats why the bible says: "But as many as recieved Him, to them He gave the right to become the children of God, "(John 1:12) and not God. Some people misinterpret Psalm 82:6 which says: "ye are gods, " The hebrew word interpreted "god"  there is "elohim"which in this context means "judges". God has appointed His children to judge even angels,but that does nt make them god, thats why verse 7 says: "But you shall die like men, " If they shall die then the are not gods, because gods are immortal. But satanists misuse this verse to promote new age teachings of man's godhood,and demotes Jesus' status as an ordinary perfect master, a mere cosmic Christ as the occult would refer Him to be. The attempt by man to equate himself with  God was made manifest in the tower of babel, its also the spirit behind Lucifer who said, " I will be like the Most High" (Isaiah 14:14),until he was brought down like God did to the tower of babel. So will God bring down pastor Chris and all other masonic pastors who try to denounce the Godhood of Jesus Christ.

Pastor Chris is an agent of the devil, a masonic pastor ,let the world beware, [b]"by their fruits we shall know them"

[/b]kenneth Copeland another exposed masonic pastor preaches the same doctrine. Kenneth Copeland chants the words "I AM" which is a Masonic initiation term. Hear him:
"And I say this with all respect, so that it don't upset you too bad. But I say it anyway: When I read in the Bible where He says, "I AM," I just smile and say, "Yes, I AM, too." Believers Voice of Victory broadcast July 9 1987
During the ceremonies of the Masonic ritual for the Royal Arch degree, the candidate is asked, "Brother Inspector, what are you?" and he replies, "I AM THAT I AM."
When Jesus told the jews before Abraham was "I AM" he was claming to be the God of Moses who went by that name. This is why they tried to kill him immediately. Kenneth is claiming to be a God. So is oyaks teaching the same thing. see more on : http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/kennethcopeland33rddegreefreemason.htm
see also http://lighthousebaptistchapel.com/tag/33rd-degree-freemason/
@iyke619

. . . so in which context did he say this . . .

Just as you've provided for Copeland & Billy Graham, where are the transcripts, texts video etc on Pastor Chris to surround or corroborate this
Christianity EtcRe: Assurance Of Salvation by e36991: 2:54pm On Jan 09, 2011
Dulcet7:

Can we discuss - what is the full import of salvation?
Joagbaje:

^^^^^
what do you mean by full import
@^^^

He means discuss the importance of salvation,

in essence he especially wants a clear explanation of the [b]import[/b]ance of salvation  wink

Since InesQuor has touched Lord, he possibly also wants to discuss Lord and Saviour further
Christianity EtcRe: Religion or Man Made by e36991: 7:20pm On Jan 08, 2011
manmustwac:

religion is the opium of the masses. as you and i and a small minority can obviously see that religion is a big part of nigeria's problems unfortuneatley the vast majority of the population cannot. as long as people keep believeing that god will come down from heaven to solve our problems or that everything is in gods hands we will never progress.
@manmustwac

We know the background and context when Karl Max used that snippet

so in your instance, in which context are you using and/or how is "religion is the opium of the masses" ?
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Charges Gate Fees For Watch Night Service? by e36991: 6:20pm On Jan 08, 2011
Image123:

Mutiny ke? abi bomb scare?
@^^^

Bomb scare ke?

I'll be more worried about get wacked, slapped and/or whipped with jackets a-la Benny Hinn style  grin
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Charges Gate Fees For Watch Night Service? by e36991: 5:37pm On Jan 08, 2011
Joagbaje:

To all ,
The gospel is free and it is wrong for anybody charge people for hearing the gospel
. CEC has spent so much to bring the gospel free to people all over the world , through tv, crusades and other outreaches. If the Church thought it best to do seat reservation for the few people required to attend, and everyone was informed ahead of time,that admission into this particular hall which serves as a studio that day for broadcast is by reservation ticket only , due to limited capacity and to ensure Order,  but other halls were made available free for those who don't have ticket . Those who feel they must enter the hall went for it, those who don't , went to other halls, it's not that someone stays by the gate " collecting gate fee into the house if God". Everybody had proper information and made their choices ahead of time.   I don't see why the controversy should linger. Maybe what the church thought was best was not really the best idea to cut down crowd. You can make better suggestion for future programme . But if the idea behind it was money and not crowd control , there's a better way the church could have raised more money that the ticket.
 
There is no new point we are bringing up in this argument. Either for or against. Everyone have stated his or her points clearly and everyone is entitled to the opinion they posted. We should end the argument.
lakhadimar:

go and tell christopher oyakhilome - rest contents here were snipped -
AKHOZEM:

Good point , let us rest
Image123:

Hey thank God, Joagbaje don submit. Goal close to achievement. 'we can make better suggestion for future programme'? How about you(christ embassy) seeking for counsel. BTW, people have already given some advice/suggestion even in this thread. You can go through again if you missed it. Ask for counsel from other churches or even secular organisations. Many tv programs have auditions and audience. I think 'who wants to be a millionaire' does audition, don't know much about how they do theirs. But perhaps you go to them, learn from them and avoid their mistakes. Learn from churches around you, they do cross over nights every year.
@^^^

Mutiny! Mutiny!!

Mu-ti-ny!!! . . . grin
Christianity EtcRe: Premier TV Interviews: Yazz, Ben Ofoedu, Muyiwa etc by e36991(op): 4:59pm On Jan 08, 2011
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http://player.premier.tv/Premiertv.aspx?AssetId=929c6aa9-c036-4c1e-8c89-09a0bbab4334&ChannelId=

Biography

Dynamic Singer/Songwriter, Muyiwa Olarewaju finds himself at another major milestone in 2008 with the exciting release of his third album “Declaring His Love” – a testimony to this Church singer’s faith.

His effortless mix of Gospel music with influences as far as Rock, Pop, Nigerian rhythms, Soul and even Native American Indian beats have fed the enthusiasm to make him one of the UK’s most sought after music acts. With the release of his latest project “Declaring His Love”, the lead single “Hey Ya” again marks a unique fusion of an American Indian Chant with Contemporary Gospel music. This opening track is one of Muyiwa’s favourites.

“It’s a fusion of the 1st Nation of America’s Music (American Indian) with African beats and laced with the classic Muyiwa and Riversongz vocals,” says Muyiwa. An encounter in the US with the 1st Nation of America left him inspired by their history and strength as a people reminding him of his own African experience, singing with his people in his language and the familiar feeling of love
and acceptance.

Teaming up with EMMA Award winning producer Eddie Martin (whose writing/production credits include Whitney Houston, Sarah Connor, Ne-Yo, Jennifer Lopez, Chris Brown and West Life), this winning combination was to be the result of two so-far-released hit albums selling in excess of 80,000 combined units to date.

The new 2008 live music release “Declaring His Love” sees them reunite which promises to raise the stakes musically and visually as an exclusive separate DVD will also be made available in support of extensive national/international touring.

A seasoned radio presenter, Muyiwa hosts the the flagship show “Gospel Tonight” and “Worship Tonight” on Premier Radio as well as presenting “Sounds Of Africa” on Lufthansa Airlines which carried 56 million passengers last year.

Since the release of his two albums “Restoration” and “Declaring His Power”, Muyiwa’s voice in the Gospel world has become instantly recognisable and one that he hopes will unite people of all races, cultures and denominations.
Christianity EtcRe: Premier TV Interviews: Yazz, Ben Ofoedu, Muyiwa etc by e36991(op): 4:47pm On Jan 08, 2011
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Yazz (born Yasmin Evans, 19 May 1960, Shepherd's Bush, London) is a British pop singer, who remains best known for her successful 1988 dance  track, "The Only Way Is Up".

Some of her records were credited to Yazz & The Plastic Population. Her father is Jamaican, her mother English.

Career

Yazz attended Holland Park School where she excelled at sports including the 400 metres and she was a member of the England under-19s volleyball team. After a spell as a catwalk model, she scored a number of club hits after recording with the group, Biz, in 1983. Her first commercial success came in early 1988, when she supplied the vocals on Coldcut's "Doctorin' the House". She soon launched a solo career on Big Life records, a label set up by her future husband Jazz Summers, releasing her debut single "The Only Way Is Up" in the summer of 1988. It went on to spend five weeks at the top of the UK Singles Chart, eventually becoming the biggest selling UK single of the year. Suddenly one of Britain's biggest pop acts, her follow up was another big hit ("Stand Up For Your Love Rights", UK number 2), whilst her debut album went Top Ten.

She continued to have hits into 1989 (and had her last Top Ten hit with the number 9 hit "Fine Time"wink but has since recorded only sporadically, releasing one single during 1990 and not releasing another until 1992. Her last Top 20 single was 1990's "Treat Me Good", which made number 20 in the UK. She returned to the charts in 1993, performing with Aswad on the Top 40 hit "How Long". She continued to release singles throughout the 1990s, including a cover version of The Jackson 5's "Never Can Say Goodbye". In 1997 she recorded the album Natural Life, which was only released in some parts of Europe and Asia.

Her 2008 album Running Back to You, distributed in the UK by ICC Records, charts her spiritual journey and her new-found Christian faith. Yazz is now based in Spain and is an active member of the Calahonda Baptist Church. Yazz returns to England occasionally to promote this album, performing songs from it live interspersed with several anecdotes pertaining to her faith.

In August 2009, she performed with a full band on stage for the first time in several years at a church in Southampton, UK. In October 2010, Yazz performed again with a full band at Cathedral House in Huddersfield, UK, home of Huddersfield Christian Fellowship.

References:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeyOnNple4M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSc4rXqoFoc
Christianity EtcPremier TV Interviews: Yazz, Ben Ofoedu, Muyiwa etc by e36991(op): 1:32pm On Jan 08, 2011
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Ben Ofoedu and partner Vanessa Feltz

Ben Ofoedu (born 29 June 1972, Hong Kong), is a Nigerian/British singer-songwriter, most famous for being the former lead singer of the band Phats and Small.

Personal life

Ofoedu moved to England with his family when he was two years old.

He has a sister called Joy

He is engaged to be married to radio personality Vanessa Feltz and they live together in St John's Wood, London.

Music career

In 1993, he joined the band Benz, and in 1999 he became the singer of Phats and Small, originally as a guest vocalist.

He released a solo single called Your Love in 2000 and in 2001 joined a new band called REDhill, which included Shane Lynch.

The following year he joined another music collaboration, The Intenso Project, and then over the next three years he teamed up with three more bands for one-off singles and concerts.

In 2005 he joined Four Story who went on to appear on Making Your Mind Up in the hope of representing the United Kingdom at the Eurovision Song Contest with their song Hand on my Heart. They came fifth.

References:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Ofoedu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKXhLBt0m2Y
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/celebrity-wife-swap/episode-guide/series-1/episode-2
Christianity EtcRe: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by e36991: 11:50pm On Jan 06, 2011
JeSoul:

oh e36691, I just noticed what you're refering to.

Sorry jor. Notice I put the "insults" in quotation?

I meant to add your 'observatory post' as a so-called 'insult'. I will fix it.
@JeSoul

I know, I noticed that, which is why I return-match it back in double quotes too  smiley

Its no biggie, let it slide. Dont trouble yourself

Here is a whistle to blow and a couple of yellow cards to dish out to errant or straying posters  wink

https://l.yimg.com/i/i/eu/sp/c13.png https://l.yimg.com/i/i/eu/sp/c13.png https://l.yimg.com/i/i/eu/sp/c10.png

PEEP! PEEP!! PEEPPEEEP!!! That's it!!!! - Two yellow cards, you're banned!!!!!! grin
Christianity EtcRe: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by e36991: 11:01pm On Jan 06, 2011
My sister, easy and softly softly with the Holy Anger ooo  smiley

Na observation me I make ooo not "insult" oooo

Did you not notice how long it took to scroll down all those inserts? and then pftt . . .

Talk to the rock, not whack it  wink

You almost rattled the door off the post when slamming it shut

Peele, door; the door took the brunt of it grin
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Charges Gate Fees For Watch Night Service? by e36991: 9:36pm On Jan 06, 2011
[size=14pt]Worshippers Pay N1,000 To Enter Oyakhilome's Church[/size]

Date: Jan 5th, 2011

Christ Embassy Church in Lagos, South-West Nigeria, is being turned into show business as members were made to part with N1, 000 each as gate fee before they  could enter their church to attend the New Year’s Eve service, P.M.NEWS can reveal.

P.M.NEWS confirmed that only members who could afford the N1, 000 gate fee were allowed into the premises of Christ Embassy Headquarters at Oregun, Lagos,  where self-styled cleric and business man, Pastor Chris Oyakhilome, preached on 31 December 2010.

https://pmnewsnigeria.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/oyah-ticket.jpg
The N1,000 ticket at Oyakhilome's Christ Embassy church

Indigent members who could not afford the N1, 000 tickets, were denied access and sent back by security men at the gate, it was learnt.

The church, a source said, realised about N25 million from about 25, 000 members who bought the tickets.

It was gathered that the church informed its members that it decided to impose a gate fee to control the huge crowd that always besiege the church on the New  Year’s Eve church service.

“Pastor said that to control the crowd and only allow genuine members
who could do anything to be in church, it was good to pay a gate fee.

Last year for  instance, even senior pastors in the church could not secure a seat in the church on New Year’s Eve service,” our source said.

The ticket, bought by our correspondent, was[b] still on sale today, five days after the New Year’s church service took place[/b].

A copy of the ticket has the following information printed on it: “one service…different locations worldwide impact! Time: 7 pm, Venue: Loveworld Convocation  Arena, N1,000, December 31st New Year’s Eve Service With Pastor Chris.”

There is also a bold picture of Oyakhilome wearing one of his flashy suits. On the background there is a huge crowd in adulation of the man who once boasted  that he will never be broke in life.

At the back of the ticket is a bold inscription : “ This ticket admists one person.”

The development, described as scandalous by those who got a glimpse of it, is unprecedented in the history of Christianity in Nigeria.

In the medieval period, similar scandals led to the break-away of Martin Luther from the Catholic church. This led to the formation of the Protestant  movement.

At that time, Catholic priests were collecting money, known as indulgences, from worshippers before they could confess their sins.

These indulgences had become big business in much the same way pledge drives have become big business in Nigeria.

The development outraged Luther and others who kicked against it, quit the church and founded the protestant movement.


The latest scandal in Oyakhilome’s church comes only weeks after he appeared before the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission, EFCC, to answer questions  on money laundering allegations.

According to TheNews magazine edition of 13 December 2010, the alleged laundering of $35 million by Christ Embassy was traced by the Economic and Financial  Crimes Commission with the help of foreign partners.

The magazine reported that Oyakhilome and money have had a bitter-sweet relationship. While money has brought  him a lush lifestyle: an eye-popping auto  collection, a movie-star wardrobe of  stylish suits and choice properties that include a stunning church auditorium, it  has also brought him an arm-long  list of scandals.

— Simon Ateba

http://pmnewsnigeria.com/2011/01/05/worshippers-pay-n1000-to-enter-oyakhilomes-church/
WebmastersAdobe AIR Apps Developers: Win A Free BlackBerry PlayBook! by e36991(op): 7:44pm On Jan 06, 2011
BlackBerry PlayBook apps demo during Adobe MAX Monday keynote by Mike Lazaridis, Co-CEO of RIM, and Kevin Lynch, CTO of Adobe.

Demo showcases apps built in Adobe AIR, as well as the multimedia capabilities of the BlackBerry PlayBook

Mike Lazaridis, RIM (i.e. Research In Motion) founder threw down the gauntlet! (i.e. video mark 5:14)

that whoever builds a new AIR application that gets accepted on AppWorld would automatically qualify for a BlackBerry PlayBook

so developers start put on your thinking caps and start building AIR apps straight away.

In an effort to familiarize developers with the new BlackBerry OS, RIM has launched the beta version of an OS simulator via a VMWare ISO.

You can click here to download both the simulator and the SDK

or http://us.blackberry.com/developers/tablet/

For the three-step process to earn your free BlackBerry PlayBook tablet (i.e. How to qualify for the free BlackBerry PlayBook tablet offer) click here

or http://us.blackberry.com/developers/tablet/playbook_offer.jsp

BlackBerry PlayBook Demo Highlights from Adobe MAX

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyJVNK7aSW4&feature=player_embedded#!

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Christianity EtcRe: Yookos.com – Christ Embassy’s Social Networking Site. by e36991: 10:58pm On Jan 05, 2011
Coldish:

What? Soo the group behind yookos that pastor chris was praising so  much are liars.

I knew it was almost impossible to create something like that in just a short time.

I bet they did not let my pastor know. Kia, am sure they must have paid the developers if not its uncool.

, and i was beating myself for not joining d team,

D one who i called a fool, take heart, sorry.

But still they may have paid the fee. The matter now is yookos is running on a script.

www.yookos.com - It still rocks, script or not
@^^^

No sweat, nothing spoilt. It wasnt taken to heart.

As was said don't shoot the messenger. It's no skin off my back

Pleased to find out the corrected conduct (i.e. give credit where due)

Count me in. Whatever means, righteously and legitimately necessary for the Kingdom and souls sake . . .  wink
Christianity EtcRe: Yookos.com – Christ Embassy’s Social Networking Site. by e36991: 12:39am On Jan 04, 2011
Coldish:

Fool, you dont have any evidence yet you are accusing Christ Embassy of cheating. So in your mind you believe cec cant afford to pay if it was actually true. I just see you as a jobless person. Like it or not Yookos will be Nigeria's largest social site soon,
@^^^

. . . Takes one to know one
WebmastersRe: Object Oriented Programming Vs Procedureal Programming by e36991: 8:19pm On Jan 03, 2011
dexed:

For me i stick with the procedural method. Tried Object Oriented Programming  just didnt get the heck of it. Which of this coding methods do you use?
@^^^

It depends . . .

. . . besides OOP being modular in nature are easier to debug . . .

by the way what language are you coding with
Christianity EtcRe: Yookos.com – Christ Embassy’s Social Networking Site. by e36991: 6:33pm On Jan 03, 2011
St.Lionel:

@e36911, It is quite demeaning to be an enemy of progress. People like you who like to depreciate and condense the prowess, image and innovativeness of another's product of hardwork with such defaming compilation of junk, can never be successful people. Do you have substantial evidence that Christ Embassy got her work from the so called 'open source'? Stop speaking from speculation and inconsequencial assumptions, all with the intention of tarnishing ones image publicly and please, become appreciative of good. What is wrong with you people? It amazes me what kind of mindset people like you have- spending time looking for how to run someone down. Well, no need for all this talk. one thing is certain, you will see YOOKOS go from glory to glory despite your criticisms. grin
@^^^

Certainly the fact of the matter is credit is or was not given where credit is or was due

So suck it up . . .

. . . and don't shoot the messenger  wink
Christianity EtcRe: Yookos.com – Christ Embassy’s Social Networking Site. by e36991: 12:47pm On Jan 03, 2011
afam4eva:

It has nothing that says it's owned by christ embassy.
lagoshost:

Yes, I was there Live! it was not designed it's for Christ Embassy. It is for everyone

And if you check there you will see that Pastor Chris account on yookos is the first one there!
Slyr0x:

Its owned by Christ Embassy. 'The featured posts' is from http://www.loveworldchat.com/temp/index.php

and we all knw Christ Embassy owns LoveWorld.
Coldish:

Yes its owned by Christ Embassy, i was in church when he unveiled it.

I think this site will in no time become Nigeria's largest community based on the fact that Christ Embassy has the muscles to market.

It brings together the millions of Pastor Chris's twitter followers and those on facebook.

I hope i wont offend God when i decide to compete against my pastor and his work.

All in all, CEC is one of or if not the most innovatice church using technology to preach the Gospel.

Please signup @ www.yookos.com
cogicero:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-577773.0.html#msg7449471

this is not fair.  angry  huh

you guys are destroying the beauty of open source by CHEATING, or rather STEALING.

[list]
[li]"yookos" website by christ embassy is a modified/rip-off version of a sharetronix default theme. I knew it when I saw it.[/li]
[li]sharetronix is an open source social network platform.[/li]
[li]you are allowed to use sharetronix for FREE [/b]in exchange for backlinks labelled "powered by blogtronix" placed in the footer of each page e.g. look at the bottom of any nairaland page to see "[b]Powered by SMF 1.0.12" because Nairaland runs on Simple Machine Forums (SMF) for free[/li]
[li]if you feel [/b]you are a professional and this will deface your site, [b]or you want people to think you own the website or you wrote the script originally by yourself, you pay a STUPIDLY [/b]small fee of $39 (39 US Dollars only) to these hardworking developers for all their blood, toil and sweat. a labourer is worthy of his wages, doesn't the bible say so?[/li]
[li]rather than pay the [b]SMALL [/b]fee as it is legally right to do, christ embassy (the developer they hired, maybe an in-house developer) [b]DECIDED [/b]to comment out the "[b]powered by
" information. this is stealing, and it is a corruption of the global open source culture.  undecided[/li]
[li]you would think for a company/organization that makes a lot of money, this will be a small matter to pay $39!  huh right?[/li]
[/list]

if you people are just and fair and you did not know that yookos is running illegally right now, tell the developer to unhide those backlinks NOW and use it for free

or else pay the $39 and stop being tightfisted!  angry angry


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Christianity EtcRe: For Christians - How Does Faith Work? Can It Be Proven by e36991: 5:41pm On Jan 02, 2011
lagerwhenindoubt:

@e36991 Happy New Year !

I am scrutinizing the passage in question and I am also cross-referencing it with other passages with Faith events in the Bible.

It will take a while but in the end i shall have a tidy list of Faith events with their demonstrated levels of faith and actions preceding the completion of Faith.

(You had to make me do the grind work)

I might also come up with suitable adjectives for common denominators that make up the Faith formula, 

and about where i am headed; I promise i won't turn faith into an over-the-counter prescription that people can just swallow and make miracles  grin

but my, won't that be a trip
@lagerwhenindoubt

Ditto with a Joyful New Year to you bro'

Grind work ke?  grin

You're originally quick and mentally bright to cop that out

It just confirms why I admire and take a shine to you

Bet you'll agree it's a bit premature for charity (i.e. spoon feeding) at this moment or stage

Dont you think, we'll have a fair chance of cracking this, with me playing the midwife and wiping your brow whilst you do the necessary pushes?

Hey whilst you're at it, for encouragement and the added excitement bonus, take a peek at Mark 9:29

"And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting" - Mark 9:29 KJV

Bet you're getting worked up now with hands clasped and a comic grin on your face because of that bit of shrapnel

Break a leg  wink

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